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DYK for Al Treml
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DYK for List of Green Bay Packers to win a most valuable player award
 Schwede 66  00:23, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

TFL notification
Hi, Gonzo fan2007. I'm just posting to let you know that Bart Starr Award – a list that you have been heavily involved with – has been chosen to appear on the Main Page as Today's featured list for February 12. The TFL blurb can be seen here. If you have any thoughts on the selection, please post them on my talk page or at TFL talk. Regards, Giants2008  ( Talk ) 23:33, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Awesome, I can take a look a bit later. First thought would be to add that Minkah Fitzpatrick won the award this year. Maybe change the Bart Starr photo to his photo? « Gonzo fan2007  (talk)  @ 00:38, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Not a bad idea. Your updates look good. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 01:34, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks ! Expansion and improvement of WP:PACKERS content is much appreciated, so it was a win/win! « Gonzo fan2007  (talk)  @ 20:33, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Chuck Compton
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Administrators' newsletter – February 2024
News and updates for administrators from the past month (January 2024).

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Bob Mann (American football)
Also pinging. Thinking about a TFA for April 8 ... does that work for you two? - Dank (push to talk) 05:23, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Sounds great. Cbl62 (talk) 09:16, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me . « Gonzo fan2007  <small style="color:#2A2722">(talk)  @ 14:53, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

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Administrators' newsletter – March 2024
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Your GA nomination of Frank Jonet
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Your GA nomination of Frank Jonet
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RFA2024 update: no longer accepting new proposals in phase I
Hey there! This is to let you know that phase I of the 2024 requests for adminship (RfA) review is now no longer accepting new proposals. Lots of proposals remain open for discussion, and the current round of review looks to be on a good track towards making significant progress towards improving RfA's structure and environment. I'd like to give my heartfelt thanks to everyone who has given us their idea for change to make RfA better, and the same to everyone who has given the necessary feedback to improve those ideas. The following proposals remain open for discussion:


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 * Proposal 13, initiated by, provides for periodic, privately balloted admin elections.
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 * Proposal 28, initiated by, tightens restrictions on multi-part questions.

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DYK nomination of Frank Jonet
Hello! Your submission of Frank Jonet at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at your nomination's entry and respond there at your earliest convenience. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! —Bagumba (talk) 11:28, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

I approved the DYK. Not directly related, but the article says: "After the reorganization, Jonet was named the team's secretary, a post he would remain in until 1951" However, the Packers.com source says: "He was elected to the executive committee and also treasurer on Jan. 29, 1935." Not sure if the article needs changing, or the source is incorrect.—Bagumba (talk) 14:58, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks, weirdly the lead was correct. I updated the body of the article. I think it reads correctly now. « Gonzo fan2007  <small style="color:#2A2722">(talk)  @ 19:28, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

DYK nomination of List of Green Bay Packers general managers
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"The Shock, the horror!"
Actually, I do wholly agree with you... I just wanted to soften the blow a little :)   ——Serial Number 54129  15:15, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * HAHAHAHAHA  « Gonzo fan2007  <small style="color:#2A2722">(talk)  @ 15:25, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Jerry Atkinson (American football)
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Your GA nomination of Jerry Atkinson (American football)
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Disambiguation link notification for March 21
An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Ray Peterson (American football), you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Punter.

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 06:04, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Fixed. « Gonzo fan2007  <small style="color:#2A2722">(talk)  @ 17:08, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Interesting note I randomly came across
Going through some random stuff, I came across what appears to be a translation of your Merle Zuver article being featured at DYK on the Chinese Wikipedia (see discussion here). The hook (per Google translate): DYK ... which NFL player played 10 games, including 5 starts, for the Green Bay Packers during the 1930 season? BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:27, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Haha that's awesome! « Gonzo fan2007  <small style="color:#2A2722">(talk)  @ 02:32, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Cliff Christl
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Ethics Workshop Participation Request
Hi! We're conducting a series of participatory workshops with Wikipedia editors, administrators, researchers, and Wikimedia employees to discuss, and hopefully improve, Wikipedia's structures for online research (see meta research page). In an effort to get the right people in the room to discuss these topics, I'm reaching out here to see if you are interested in participating as an active administrator. We'd work with you to ensure this workshop can fit into your schedule, but are targeting end of April/early May. I'm happy to discuss any of these topics further here or on our talk page. Zentavious (talk) 17:06, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi, I offer you the best of luck with this, however I struggle with balancing time here and IRL, so respectfully I will have to pass. « Gonzo fan2007  <small style="color:#2A2722">(talk)  @ 22:33, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
 * No worries, I completely understand. The work you do shows. Congrats on 17 years! Zentavious (talk) 22:45, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Lions Pro Bowlers
Just wanted to let you know that I've been working on User:Hey man im josh/List of Detroit Lions Pro Bowl selections, based on your List of Green Bay Packers Pro Bowl selections. I'm expecting to wait at least a week, maybe two, and will be DYK nomming it when I do so. Trying to line it up so that I can get those DYK points in the third round of the WikiCup =P Hey man im josh (talk) 20:17, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
 * , looks awesome! Glad I started a trend. I am contemplating List of Green Bay Packers All-Rookie Team selections and List of Green Bay Packers All-Pro selections for some future day hahaha. I told this last year, if you work on any WP:PACKERS content, I'll offer up unlimited, time-efficient reviews!  « Gonzo fan2007  <small style="color:#2A2722">(talk)  @ 22:29, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I seen that! I'm not sure how to feel because of the mess that is the various selectors (tho I'd end up settling on what the HoF uses). What do you think of the most Pro Bowls section I added? I found myself wondering who tops the list when I was looking at yours and ended up settling on a table for it like with the annual statistics lists.
 * As for working on and promoting Packers content... I'll look it over, but as a self respecting Lions fan (we have those!?), I find it to be an impossible task. I justify reviewing as looking for ways to criticize Packers stuff! Hey man im josh (talk) 22:44, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Haha I am contemplating adding the second table. Good info that isn't easily parsed from the main table.
 * Just work on players who played for the Pack and Lions. Jamaal Williams, T. J. Lang, Tobin Rote, Jug Girard, Ron Kramer, the list is endless! Haha! « Gonzo fan2007  <small style="color:#2A2722">(talk)  @ 23:03, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
 * No, I'm gonna Lions even harder now. God I love PFR, I had no idea that that that type of search existed. I'd definitely encourage you to add that summary table, but I'm a sucker for those. My threshold for inclusion was 5 Pro Bowlers with the team, which feel is a pretty good number for this. It would mean, if you were to implement one, that your table would have 14 entries in it. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:30, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Hahaha well you convinced me, I added it. « Gonzo fan2007  <small style="color:#2A2722">(talk)  @ 17:21, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Earlier All-Star game?
Hey Gonzo. I've been doing some work to prove Dutch Clark was GM for 3 years and HC for 2 years (tough to find something stating he was GM in 1936), and I stumbled across a few things. I've found mentions of Detroit, champions for the 1935 season, playing an exhibition game against a set of All-Stars (see this section) on January 1, 1936. I found a few links from articles here: link 1, link 2, link 3 (page 16).

I did some Googling to try to find more to support this, but ultimately had to turn to Newspapers.com, where I clipped these:
 * snip 1
 * snip 2
 * snip 3
 * snip 4
 * snip 5
 * snip 6
 * snip 7

Any thoughts on this? It looks like the "All-Star Game" may have started sooner than 1939. Hey man im josh (talk) 20:20, 28 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Also noting that several Packers players appear to have played (including Don Hutson). Hey man im josh (talk) 20:22, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Damn, Dutch Clark apparently wrote a poem about the game! Hey man im josh (talk) 20:27, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Chicago College All-Star Game started in 1934. Is that was this is referencing? « Gonzo fan2007  <small style="color:#2A2722">(talk)  @ 21:12, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Never mind. I am at a loss. « Gonzo fan2007  <small style="color:#2A2722">(talk)  @ 21:14, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * My guess is that these games weren't sancitoned? The HoF calls 1939 the first Pro Bowl. « Gonzo fan2007  <small style="color:#2A2722">(talk)  @ 21:16, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * It's definitely confusing... there was a match vs college All-stars in September 1936, while sources distinctly state, and mentioned a number of, NFL players (including several Packers).
 * I've actually corrected the HoF a scary number of times... they get things wrong way too often, to the point I'm not comfortable recommending them as a reliable source, but they're still right enough to be used as a reference (in my opinion). I'm not kidding when I say I'm averaging at least two submissions a month for corrections over the last 6-12 months.
 * I wanted to dump that info on your talk page because I found a lot of it mid to late day today and may not get to it til Monday, figured if anybody else on Wiki digs into early NFL as much I do, it'd be you. I'm wondering if the 1939 Pro Bowl was the first sort of sponsored one? Based on some stuff I found searching for those sources, I believe the 1936 match against college All-stars was sponsored. But perhaps the pro one wasn't? I'm not sure... but there's definitely something to figure out I think. Hey man im josh (talk) 23:41, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Funny, it's already mentioned here 1935 Detroit Lions season. Not really finding much on the game except the AP and UPI reports. I'll keep digging. « Gonzo fan2007  <small style="color:#2A2722">(talk)  @ 15:35, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * It feels like enough smoke and information to believe it was an all-star game. But that would also lead me to believe there should be a couple more between that and the first one we have listed. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:46, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Clip 1, Clip 2, Clip 3. A little more info in my perusing. « Gonzo fan2007  <small style="color:#2A2722">(talk)  @ 15:48, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Link 2 is absolutely perfect to establish that it was an all-star team of other pros. I think there's enough to white an article about! Hey man im josh (talk) 15:53, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Link 1 seems to establish the roster well enough. I sent an email to Cliff Christl to see if he can shed some light on pre-1939 All-Star Games. « Gonzo fan2007  <small style="color:#2A2722">(talk)  @ 15:58, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Great idea! Hopefully they're quick to get back to you and have some insight. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:03, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

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Can we briefly talk? Former Packer
I can be reached at phon en#. Thanks Wisc1999 (talk) 18:06, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi, all Wikipedia discussion should stay on-Wiki. Feel free to post your concerns here, but note I have no strong interest in the article in question. Just doing the standard work of expanding an article based on the available sources. « Gonzo fan2007  <small style="color:#2A2722">(talk)  @ 20:05, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

HoFer by franchise
Hey Gonzo. One of my very first article creations back in the day was List of Detroit Lions in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, which I've decided I want to work on and get up to featured list status. I'm using List of Green Bay Packers in the Pro Football Hall of Fame as an example to build off, and I was curious, did you add life-time All-Pro selections, or just selections while a player was with the team? My gut says to use the selections and awards received while with the team, as opposed to full career accomplishments. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:49, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
 * , full career. For me, it made sense because the HoF recognizes full career accomplishments, even if it does assign a primary team for the player. « Gonzo fan2007  <small style="color:#2A2722">(talk)  @ 20:07, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah I'm leaning towards it as well at this point. Considering whether to include a column for career length to help differentiate when they were with the team, but not sure... it needs some thinking over from my PoV, but hey, at least I'm making progress on it :) Hey man im josh (talk) 20:16, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
 * All that said, I added a lot from when it went to FLC back in 2008 or so. So maybe a new discussion will provide clarity on what would be helpful for these types of lists. « Gonzo fan2007  <small style="color:#2A2722">(talk)  @ 22:51, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

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TFA
Thank you today for Bob Mann (American football), introduced (in 2020): "Bob Mann was an American football player in the late 1940s and early 1950s. He was a star end (wide receiver in today's terminology) for the University of Michigan, where he teamed up with future Hall of Famer Len Ford to form a dynamic pass-catching duo. He entered the NFL with the Detroit Lions, where he played for two seasons. After a salary dispute, he was released and signed with the New York Yanks (not to be confused with the baseball team), although he never played for the team in the regular season. After being released by the Yanks, he claimed NFL owners blackballed him by all agreeing to not sign him. After a few months, the Green Bay Packers signed Mann, where he would play parts of five seasons until a knee injury ended his career. Mann would go on to become a lawyer in the Detroit area until he died in 2006. The quick overview above would make it seem like Mann was just another college football star who played in the NFL for a few seasons before professional football became what it is today. However, Mann's legacy goes far and above his statistics and physical abilities. Mann was a black player in football during a time of great racial prejudices. He broke the color barrier for both the Lions and Packers, he was cut by the Lions for not taking a pay cut (and possibly for supporting a boycott by the black community of a beer that he was a spokesperson for), even though he led the NFL in receiving yards the prior season. He was (arguably) blackballed by the NFL for his race and for not agreeing to take the pay cut from the Lions. Then he played for Green Bay, a town at the time that had only a handful of black residents. He has been called a pioneer for the dignified way he handled himself is such difficult situations."! -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:26, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks! « Gonzo fan2007 <small style="color:#2A2722">(talk)  @ 16:15, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Cliff Christl
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List of Los Angeles Rams starting quarterbacks possible FL
Hi there,

I had just recently discovered that List of Green Bay Packers starting quarterbacks was promoted to featured list status just a few days ago. I would like to congratulate you for a job well done. I actually had an idea to do promote List of Los Angeles Rams starting quarterbacks to featured list status, but I wasn't sure how to format it so that it would become one. I looked at List of Los Angeles Chargers starting quarterbacks, but it was difficult to arrange the list season by season due to the Ram's lengthy team history and like the Packers, it is hard to find win-loss record by starting quarterback prior to 1950. So your list gives me a template to follow for a team like the Rams that have a long history.

I may try to promote the list sometime this year or next year. I'm still trying to get a few Oscar ceremony lists promoted. I will think about it heavily. Birdienest81 talk  20:20, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
 * , good luck! Yeah, I think this layout is better than the other two starting QB lists. Easier and more straightforward. Good luck! « Gonzo fan2007 <small style="color:#2A2722">(talk)  @ 14:21, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

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DYK for Frank Jonet
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DYK for List of Green Bay Packers general managers
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DYK for Bud Lea
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Draft navbox naming
Hey Gonzo. I was looking at the draft navboxes, specifically the naming scheme, and I noticed an inconsistency. Following your lead of moving the Green Bay Packers navboxes to the format of "Green Bay Packers YYYY NFL draft picks", I moved the Lions ones to "Detroit Lions YYYY NFL draft picks". I noticed today however that there seems to be a naming scheme that 6 other navboxes follow.

Looking at Category:National Football League 2023 draft navigational boxes, most of the titles are bunched up MascotYearDraftPicks, while six others leave out "NFL" from the title of the navbox. Examples:
 * Arizona Cardinals 2023 draft navbox
 * Atlanta Falcons 2023 draft navbox
 * Indianapolis Colts 2023 draft navbox
 * Los Angeles Chargers 2023 draft navbox
 * Los Angeles Rams 2023 draft navbox
 * Tennessee Titans 2023 draft navbox

Do you think we should have left "NFL" out of the titles when we made these moves? Hey man im josh (talk) 12:48, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * , where possible, I am trying to stay consistent with "NFL draft". My preference would be for them all to be named that way, and my hope was that I could possibly get that moving. I also want the naming convention for all the templates be standardized moving forward, so we don't keep having all the redirects in the MascotYearDraftPicks format. « Gonzo fan2007 <small style="color:#2A2722">(talk)  @ 16:04, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Makes sense to me. I'll help chip away at them over time. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:31, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

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RFA2024 update: phase I concluded, phase II begins
Hi there! Phase I of the Requests for adminship/2024 review has concluded, with several impactful changes gaining community consensus and proceeding to various stages of implementation. Some proposals will be implemented in full outright; others will be discussed at phase II before being implemented; and still others will proceed on a trial basis before being brought to phase II. The following proposals have gained consensus:

See the project page for a full list of proposals and their outcomes. A huge thank-you to everyone who has participated so far :) looking forward to seeing lots of hard work become a reality in phase II. theleekycauldron (talk), via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 08:09, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
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DYK for List of Green Bay Packers NFL All-Decade Team selections
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Round count in early drafts
Hey Gonzo. I was working on User:Hey man im josh/Detroit Lions draft history and I noticed that the list of rounds in Green Bay Packers draft history is incorrect. See my change to the Lions draft. I about why the number of rounds changed. Your tables breaking down the picks at Green Bay Packers draft picks (1936–1969) already use round 31 and 32 when appropriate. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:55, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * thanks for catch, I made the changes. My source for the number of rounds is confusing, it lists out 20 and 30, but does note the practice from 1938 to 1944 of skipping rounds 2 and 4. Weird. I like how everything is coming together with the Lions' picks. Ready to see them at FLC soon! « Gonzo fan2007 <small style="color:#2A2722">(talk)  @ 15:19, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I happened to notice something was wrong when doing the Lions list and did a bit of digging. Those notes in my sandbox are unofficial, but they do perfectly explain the approach that was taken. While not RS, I do like to use Pro Sports Transactions to compare against other sources sometimes, as they do actually document a fair bit that others don't. Problem is it's mostly maintained by one guy who's not classified as a subject matter expert. Never the less, still useful! I understand why they said it's 20 or 30 rounds, since each team would apparently have that many picks anyways, but practically speaking we now know that's not how it actually went. I was just thinking about how the NFL gives comp picks at the end of a round instead of having separate comp pick rounds between and after the last several rounds. Ahh, just depends on how they wanna say their rounds are done lol. But yeah, thank you about the Lions lists! Progress is being made, even if not super fast. I'll have one at least prepped and ready to go as my next FL after one of my current two (with enough supports already!) pass. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:24, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

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Supplemental picks
Hey Gonzo. I was working on the Lions draft articles using yours as the templates. I noticed that you listed in Green Bay Packers draft history and Green Bay Packers draft picks (1970–present) that the 1998 supplemental draft pick of Mike Wahle caused the loss of the team's second-round pick in 1998. I think you made a typo and should be noting the loss of the pick under the 1999 draft table. The picks from supplemental drafts are taken from the next draft, but I can absolutely see how this mistake was made considering GB had no second-round pick in the 1998 draft (traded pick #29 and #60 to the Dolphins for pick #19). This also means that your note on the main history page will need to be tweaked. Note this link from the PFHOF which recaps the 1999 draft. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:03, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * thanks for the catch. Let me know if my changes make sense. « Gonzo fan2007 <small style="color:#2A2722">(talk)  @ 16:24, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Looks good to me! Hey man im josh (talk) 16:30, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

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DYK for Travis Glover
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Editor experience invitation
Hi Gonzo fan2007 :) I'm looking for experienced editors to interview here. Feel free to pass if you're not interested. Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 04:09, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Need an opinion
Hey Gonzo. I've been hung up on the full Detroit draft pick lists for a few days because I've been considering removing the red names from the lists altogether. I don't think there's a reasonable expectation for most of them to ever be created, especially when PFR doesn't even have profiles on a lot of them. I've been finding it tough with some names to properly disambiguate, since we often use birth years if players are from the same position and have the same name, but I can't even find the birth years in some cases, leading to difficulty in disambiguating. Then I'm like, is this really even worth red linking anything here? I think it also leads to situations where an article for the same name gets created, if the name either isn't disambiguated or is simply disambiguated with (American football), and it could lead to a lot of these tables pointing to the wrong players over time. Thoughts? Hey man im josh (talk) 11:58, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't have any qualms with you not redlinking the entries. I think here it just comes down to personal preference. I like redlinks, others don't. One thing I did do was make sure that the redlinks in these articles matched up with the redlinks in the respective yearly draft templates, to help prevent articles not pointing to the right person.
 * In other news, as I await the year and half it will take to get all my FLCs through the process, I started working on famous Green Bay Packers games. I had already done Instant Replay Game a while back, and just finished up 1940 NFL All-Star Game (January) and Snow Bowl (1985). Next stop is Miracle in Motown! :) « Gonzo fan2007 <small style="color:#2A2722">(talk)  @ 13:42, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

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DYK for Joe Shield
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DYK for List of Green Bay Packers NFL Anniversary All-Time Team selections
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Draft
Hello Gonzo fan2007, Draft:Sam Salz (American football). I wonder if you can give me an opinion about notability of the subject. This is bio of a walk-on at Texas A&M Aggies football. Bruxton (talk) 15:11, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * , seems notable to me. A number of good sources shows general notability. « Gonzo fan2007 <small style="color:#2A2722">(talk)  @ 15:46, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for checking. Bruxton (talk) 15:48, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

DYK nomination of List of Green Bay Packers Associated Press All-Pro selections
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"We want the ball and we're going to score!"
The phrase is not the name of the game. If you can find a way to better way to rephrase it, then do so. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:11, 27 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi, I restored the original version as per WP:BRD. Happy to elaborate more tomorrow when I have a few minutes. That said, i feel like your issue is more about the name of the article. Maybe you would be interested in putting forward a WP:RM? I sympathize with you as it took me a while to figure out what the article should be named and how it should read per policy. I really dont want to fight over this and am happy to discuss further or have a larger WP discussion about it. « Gonzo fan2007 <small style="color:#2A2722">(talk)  @ 04:37, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The phrase is the proper name of the article, since that is what people remember (though there should not be quotes - see Category:Quotations and particularly Category:Quotations from sports). So really, this should be a quotation article, not a game one. And, as I have just noticed, A drive into deep left field by Castellanos uses pretty much the exact same phrasing as I did. Clarityfiend (talk) 06:30, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi, I am happy to move this to another venue, say WP:NFL to gather additional input or find some consensus. I appreciated you coming to my talk page after WP:BRD, but did not appreciate you reverting without even giving me an opportunity to respond. Typically, as the discussion occurs, the original version remains until we find some consensus.
 * I appreciate your point about quotations. I will likely move the article to remove them whenever this is all said and done. That said, the game itself is notable because of what Hasselbeck said. The NFL ranked it as one of the greatest games in NFL history . The other thought I had was to go with the standard naming for these games: 2004 NFC Wild Card playoff game (Seattle–Green Bay). But that isn't the WP:COMMONNAME for the game, the play, the statement, etc.
 * Look, I really, really don't want to battle on this and am happy to get some consensus from other editors, likely at WP:NFL. Are you ok with stepping back for a second and moving the discussion there? « Gonzo fan2007 <small style="color:#2A2722">(talk)  @ 14:55, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I've gone ahead and moved it to WT:NFL. « Gonzo fan2007 <small style="color:#2A2722">(talk)  @ 15:24, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Draft pick lists
Hey Gonzo, I just had a comment at one of my FLCs, and I noticed that I think you ran into the same issue I did... in Detroit Lions draft picks (1970–present), I currently have the main template below the images, because putting it above the images causes the images to start on a new line instead of the same one as the hatnote. Unfortunately, this is against MOS:SECTIONORDER, so I have to go through and fix it on my lists. Currently trying to figure out if there's a way for both to start on the same time, as this messed up the layout a bit if the images are bumped down on each occasion. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:40, 1 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Can you point me to where MOS:SECTIONORDER says that this should happen? In that link, the hatnotes being discussed are those found prior to the article content (and thus the ones that show up at the top of the article's page). Placement of this template is important, because it would affect the placement of the text. I don't see this section commenting on in-the-body-of-the-article hatnotes, whose placement relative to images doesn't affect how the text is rendered (ie it does not cause a huge line break of white space or place the image above the hatnote)hat note. Granted I'm on my phone, so I may have missed something. Will be on PC in a little bit. « Gonzo fan2007 <small style="color:#2A2722">(talk)  @ 14:05, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Hey, sorry, I meant to subscribe to this section when I replied. I see you've replied at the FLC, which I appreciate. Truthfully, I was also confused, which is why I was more or less deferring and asking around about it. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:49, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

TemplateAmericanfootballbox
Do you have a link where you experienced this, and do you know which skin you experienced this with ? Because in dark mode, everyone has dark text on dark background making the entire text unreadable, which I find more concerning than a missing border, but if someone gives reproduction steps, I can try to make both working. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 11:34, 4 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Nevermind, this was a preexisting issue for users of the default skin, that by removing the toccolous class I made visible to users of non-default skins. Fixed now. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 11:44, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Looks good now! « Gonzo fan2007 <small style="color:#2A2722">(talk)  @ 14:23, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

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