User talk:GoodDamon/Archives/2009/April

Zeus is a really cool dude and he thinks these WP:ORE articles are cool too
Greetings WikiProject Oregon guys and gals. Once again it is time for another edition of the our niche market Collaboration Of The Week. As always, thank you to those who worked on the Ross Tower and Walton. For this week we have the Calapooya Mountains and by request (and in honor of the opening) the venerable Portland Saturday Market. Just remember, if you are feeling blue, try breathing (rimshot please). Once again, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Aboutmovies (talk) 21:42, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

SCIENTOLOGY
Dear GoodDamon, this is Taodeptus, how are you. I know it is difficult for you to keep track of our correspondence due to my long lags, but I am emerged in academic assignments. So I am adding the last part of our correspondence for you to be able to pick up the thread. After that follows a new letter.

Hello Taodeptus. As you can see, I've taken the liberty of restoring an older portion of this conversation and indenting your most recent comment. It looks like you've simply copied and pasted the same list of researchers, and I'm not sure whether you ever saw my earlier response. Again, please see WP:CITE, which is an official policy of Wikipedia. In summary, Wikipedia requires that statements of fact be cited to reliable source materials. Hubbard's own writings do not typically qualify, as they are WP:PRIMARY sources, which are best avoided under most circumstances. But some of the works by the scholars you mention definitely could be used. If you are interested in editing on Wikipedia, especially in such a contentious area as the Scientology article series, it's best to be familiar with Wikipedia policies, and to cite any new statements you add to an article. --GoodDamon 17:38, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

New letter, 18 april 09

The difference in both lists ended in one removal only: Scientology, A Way of Spiritual Self-Identification by Michael A Sivertsev, for being a member of the CoS.

No other scholars are members.

I am neither interested in editing at the moment, nor in adding primary sources. I would like the adding of references to the wiki-articles of qualified, professional treatises on the subject. I feel that it must be possible for people using wikipedia, to quickly surf to actual studies on the subject, undertaken from a plain research viewpoint, by learned people in related fields, who have no vested interests in the results of their work. In that perpective I would like to know if the secondary sources below can be added to the wiki-articles.

Scientology a True Religion, by Urbano Alonso Galan, Doctor Phylosophy and Licenciate in Theology, Gregorian University and Saint Bonaventure Pontifical Faculty Rome

Scientology, Social Science and the Definition of Religion, by James A. Beckford. Ph.D, Prof Sociology

Scientology, Comparison with Religions of the East and West, by Per-Arne Berglie, Prof History and Religion

Is Scientology a Religion?, by Allan W Black,  Associate Prof of Sociology

Is Scientology a Religion?, by Dean M Kelley, Counsellor on Religious Liberty

Scientology, a New Religion, by M Darrol Bryant Ph.D, Prof Religion and Culture

Scientology, by Régis Dericquebourg, Prof Sociology and Religion

Scientology and Contemporary Definitions of Religion in the Social Sciences, by Frank K Flinn Ph.D, Associate Prof Sociology

Scientology, its True Nature, by Harri Heino, Prof Theology

The Reliability of Apostate Testimony about New Religious Movements, by Lonnie D Kliever, Dr.Phil, Prof Religious Studies

Religious Philosophy, Religion and Church, by G C Oosthuizen, Th.D, Prof (retired) Dept of Science and Religion

The Religious Nature of Scientology, by Geoffrey Parrinder, Ph.D, Prof Emeritus

Apostates and New Religious Movements and Social Change and New Religious Movements, by Bryan Ronald Wilson, Ph.D

An Analysis and Comparison of its Religious Systems and Doctrines, by Bryan R. Wilson, Ph.D.

Scientology, its Historical and Morphological Frame, by Dario Sabbattuci, Prof of History and Religion

Scientology and Religion, by Christiaan Vonck, Ph.D, Rector Faculty for Comparative Study of Religions

Scientology and Contemporary Definitions of Religion in the Social Sciences, by Alejandro Frigerio, Ph.D, Associate Prof Sociology

The Church of Scientology, by J Pentikainen, Ph.D

The Relationship between Scientology and other Religions, by Fumio Sawada, Eighth Holder of the Secrets.

Taodeptus (talk) 15:13, 18 April 2009 (UTC)Taodeptus

Scientology revert
GoodDamon, I saw your message. It's pretty much common knowledge that Scientology is a work a fiction by L. Ron Hubbard, that's what the tag was all about. It's an accurate tag, however, I realize that it's not a view everyone shares, so unless there consensus on that view, I won't replace the tag. &mdash; KoshNaluboutes, NalubotesAeria gloris, Aeria gloris 18:18, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Scientology doesn't fit into the Wikipedia definition of "fiction," because Hubbard didn't present it as fiction, regardless of whether or not he was lying. A work of fiction would be something like The Lathe of Heaven or Star Trek. There will never be consensus to add the tag, because it would be a misuse of the tag. -- Good Damon 01:44, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

U too can help Oregon
Howdy WikiProject Oregon folks. It is time again it is time for another round of the Collaboration Of The Week. A big thank you to those who worked on Calapooya Mountains and Portland Saturday Market, both saw some great improvements. For this week we have two great opportunities for DYKs with Brian McMenamin and Algoma, Oregon. Once again, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:40, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Bring on the COTW
Good afternoon WikiProject Oregon peoples. It is time again it is time for another round of the Collaboration Of The Week, Volume 82. Thank you to those who worked on Algoma, Oregon‎ and Brian McMenamin, both saw some great improvements and are up for DYks. This week we have Mary Alice Ford and by request Waterfront Blues Festival. Once again, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Live long and phosphorous. Aboutmovies (talk) 23:26, 29 April 2009 (UTC)