User talk:GoodDamon/Archives/2009/March

Scientology and Dianetics
Hello Gooddeamon, with regards to your last mail the following questions remained: in the wiki article on dianetics, why isn't the latest 2007 edition of the Original Thesis mentioned, instead of an outdated and unreliable edition?

Regarding the scholars I mentioned (Urbano Alonso Galan, Doctor Phylosophy and Licenciate in Theology, Gregorian University and Saint Bonaventure Pontifical Faculty Rome (Scientology a True Religion), James A. Beckford. Ph.D, Prof Sociology (Scientology, Social Science and the Definition of Religion), Per-Arne Berglie, Prof History and Religion (Scientology, Comparison with Religions of the East and West), Allan W Black, Associate Prof of Sociology (Is Scientology a Religion?), M Darrol Bryant Ph.D, Prof Religion and Culture (Scientology, a New Religion), Régis Dericquebourg, Prof Sociology and Religion (Scientology), Frank K Flinn Ph.D, Associate Prof Sociology (Scientology and Contemporary Definitions of Religion in the Social Sciences), Harri Heino, Prof Theology (Scientology, its True Nature), Dean M Kelley, Counsellor on Religious Liberty (Is Scientology a Religion?), Lonnie D Kliever, Dr.Phil, Prof Religious Studies (The Reliability of Apostate Testimony about New Religious Movements), G C Oosthuizen, Th.D, Prof (retired) Dept of Science and Religion (Religious Philosophy, Religion and Church), Geoffrey Parrinder, Ph.D, Prof Emeritus (The Religious Nature of Scientology), Bryan Ronald Wilson, Ph.D (Apostates and New Religious Movements and Social Change and New Religious Movements), Dario Sabbattuci, Prof of History and Religion (Scientology, its Historical and Morphological Frame), Christiaan Vonck, Ph.D, Rector Faculty for Comparative Study of Religions (Scientology and Religion), Alejandro Frigerio, Ph.D, Associate Prof Sociology (Scientology and Contemporary Definitions of Religion in the Social Sciences), J Pentikainen, Ph.D (The Church of Scientology), Michael A Sivertsev, Expert advisor International Matters to Committee Russian Federation (Scientology, A Way of Spiritual Self-Identification), Fumio Sawada, Eighth Holder of the Secrets (The Relationship between Scientology and other Religions), I can only see that Michael Sivertsev is a member of the Church. Who else do you mean then? Taodeptus (talk) 15:38, 26 December 2008 (UTC)Taodeptus
 * This is a substantially larger list than you provided before, and certainly does include some notable scholars who are not Scientologists, which is good. But you didn't mention any of them previously, and you certainly didn't cite them in your edits to the Scientology and Dianetics articles. Please understand that statements of fact have to be cited to a reliable source, or they may be reverted. Also, if at all possible, avoid use of Hubbardisms in your edits. For example, I may understand what an "overt" is, when the word is used as a noun, but most non-Scientologists would not.
 * I note, by the way, that it has been a while since you wrote. I enjoy discussion, but would prefer it if your answers came more quickly, because to be honest I've entirely lost the thread of this conversation. -- Good Damon 21:59, 26 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Hello GoodDamon,
 * there is an expanding series of scholarly papers, which deserve to be part of the external references in the wiki-article on Scientolgy.
 * I enter them below. When you have the time please tell me if there are any, which cannot be included and why.


 * Urbano Alonso Galan, Doctor Phylosophy and Licenciate in Theology, Gregorian University and Saint Bonaventure Pontifical Faculty Rome (Scientology a True Religion), James A. Beckford. Ph.D, Prof Sociology (Scientology, Social Science and the Definition of Religion), Per-Arne Berglie, Prof History and Religion (Scientology, Comparison with Religions of the East and West), Allan W Black, Associate Prof of Sociology (Is Scientology a Religion?), M Darrol Bryant Ph.D, Prof Religion and Culture (Scientology, a New Religion), Régis Dericquebourg, Prof Sociology and Religion (Scientology), Frank K Flinn Ph.D, Associate Prof Sociology (Scientology and Contemporary Definitions of Religion in the Social Sciences), Harri Heino, Prof Theology (Scientology, its True Nature), Dean M Kelley, Counsellor on Religious Liberty (Is Scientology a Religion?), Lonnie D Kliever, Dr.Phil, Prof Religious Studies (The Reliability of Apostate Testimony about New Religious Movements), G C Oosthuizen, Th.D, Prof (retired) Dept of Science and Religion (Religious Philosophy, Religion and Church), Geoffrey Parrinder, Ph.D, Prof Emeritus (The Religious Nature of Scientology), Bryan Ronald Wilson, Ph.D (Apostates and New Religious Movements, and Social Change and New Religious Movements), Dario Sabbattuci, Prof of History and Religion (Scientology, its Historical and Morphological Frame), Christiaan Vonck, Ph.D, Rector Faculty for Comparative Study of Religions (Scientology and Religion), J Pentikainen, Ph.D (The Church of Scientology), Fumio Sawada, Eighth Holder of the Secrets (The Relationship between Scientology and other Religions), Alejandro Frigerio, Ph.D, Associate Prof Sociology (Scientology and Contemporary Definitions of Religion in the Social Sciences).


 * Regards,
 * Taodeptus (talk)Taodeptus —Preceding undated comment was added on 16:26, 25 February 2009 (UTC).


 * Hello Taodeptus. As you can see, I've taken the liberty of restoring an older portion of this conversation and indenting your most recent comment. It looks like you've simply copied and pasted the same list of researchers, and I'm not sure whether you ever saw my earlier response. Again, please see WP:CITE, which is an official policy of Wikipedia. In summary, Wikipedia requires that statements of fact be cited to reliable source materials. Hubbard's own writings do not typically qualify, as they are WP:PRIMARY sources, which are best avoided under most circumstances. But some of the works by the scholars you mention definitely could be used. If you are interested in editing on Wikipedia, especially in such a contentious area as the Scientology article series, it's best to be familiar with Wikipedia policies, and to cite any new statements you add to an article. -- Good Damon 17:38, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Killer Oregon COTW, its Totally Rad
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