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Speedy deletion nomination of At The Edge Of Everything


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Proposed deletion of Darkest Before Dawn (2002 Album)


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Speedy deletion nomination of Atmospheric Conditions (Steve Roach album)


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Neutrality
Please remember to keep your prose at Wikipedia neutral and subjective. We do not describe albums this way:
 * It contains an essential chapter in the book of quiet, nourishing and graceful sound paintings.
 * - From your edit to New Life Dreaming

That type of language is wonderful if you're trying to sell the album, but not if you're trying to provide a neutral, subjective description. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 15:28, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Stream & Currents
When creating new album articles, please only add disambiguators to the title only if needed. You created Streams & Currents (Steve Roach album) when Streams & Currents already existed as a redirect to Steve Roach. Instead of creating an article with the new title, you should have turned the redirect into the article you wanted to make. Let me know if I can help. -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 19:39, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

How to turn redirect into article? I'm new in Wikipedia. --GoodRedeemer (talk) 19:51, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, you just created an article at Fever Dreams III (Steve Roach album), when you could have just went to Fever Dreams III. To get to the article redirect page, you just need to click on the title at the top of the page where it says "redirected from Pever Dreams III", then edit that to start the article instead of creating an article at a page which now has to be moved. Thanks. -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 22:01, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Oh... That was easy. Thank you. --GoodRedeemer (talk) 22:04, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Just make sure if you find a redirect that it goes to Steve Roach (musician) and not some other page. For example, don't create an article for Mantram using the redirect because that goes to Mantra not the Steve Roach article. If you end up creating an article for Mantram, do it at Mantram (album) instead. Of course, don't create it unless that album is notable. Thanks. -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 22:13, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Okay, i get it. Thanks for help and advice. --GoodRedeemer (talk) 22:20, 15 March 2017 (UTC) ==Orphaned non-free image File:This is the cover art for the album Proof Positive by the artist Steve Roach. The cover art copyright is believed to belong to the label, Timeroom Editions, or the graphic artist(s).jpg==  Thanks for uploading File:This is the cover art for the album Proof Positive by the artist Steve Roach. The cover art copyright is believed to belong to the label, Timeroom Editions, or the graphic artist(s).jpg. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

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Formatting
Reception goes above the track listing, always. And please don't just copy the Personnel over to wikipedia. It has to be tweaked. All lowercased and remove the "by" part. See what I did to it here: Groove Immersion. This is formatting per to the album style guide: WP:MOSALBUM --Jennica ✿ / talk 03:30, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Okay, i got it. Thanks. --GoodRedeemer (talk) 07:45, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Hey there again, 2 more things. I'm noticing you use cite web to insert citations but sometimes you use the plain ref tags, which is fine, but they display as a bare link. You just have to add brackets like this:
 * and also, in the opening sentence of the lead, you can omit "the" from this sentence "_____ is an album by the American ambient.." - I learned that while looking at "good article" reviews. thanks --Jennica ✿ / talk 07:30, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

You're using the wrong dashes. Use – and not the longer one: — thanks --Jennica ✿ / talk 04:09, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Okay, i got it. Thanks. --GoodRedeemer (talk) 09:09, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Sourcing
As you proceed with your project (a dubious one, I feel) to write about every album ever created by Steve Roach, I urge you to read Wikipedia's guide to reliable sources. Citing descriptions of the album or information about its success to Roach's own website is not valid; we need independent sources for such material. Also, copying album descriptions verbatim from Roach's website is expressly prohibited. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 15:26, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

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WP:NALBUMS
Hi GoodRedeemer, I wanted to reach out because I've come across quite a few of your articles in my capacity as a New Page Reviewer. I wanted to make sure you were aware of the notability guidelines that pertain to music albums. In short an album must have multiple reviews (excluding press releases); won or been nominated for a major award; appeared on a national chart; been certified gold or higher; or otherwise satisfy one of the criteria on the list in that link in order to be eligible for a standalone entry in the encyclopedia. Otherwise, we will generally redirect the entry to the artist's page (it's possible it might be deleted entirely but my preference is to leave a redirect in place as a search term). Do you have secondary sources, chart info or other details that might help establish notability for these entries? For instance, At the Edge of Everything, Proof Positive (Steve Roach album), Core (Steve Roach album), Darkest Before Dawn (Steve Roach album), Well of Souls (album) (just to mention the first few I looked at) would all need more to establish notability, but before I redirect, I wanted to reach out and see if you might be able to ref up the entries so they can remain. Thanks! Innisfree987 (talk) 02:19, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi, Innisfree987. Steve Roach isn't enough popular artist like others artist in this genre and it's sad, many hidden gems he have. Unfortunately, these albums you mentioned do not have information about the chart infos and other details, but at least have AllMusic reviews (albums like Core, Darkest Before Dawn and Well of Souls). As you can see, many articles of Steve Roach's albums that i didn't create or modify don't have chart info and other details, but have AllMusic reviews and they remain here in Wikipedia. It will be sad if these articles of decent albums will be terminated, but you do what is right in your own sight. GoodRedeemer (talk) 14:53, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply GoodRedeemer. I wanted to let you know that, after consulting with another new page reviewer, the main question seems to be whether or not Steve Roach's main entry passes Wikipedia's bar for notability, i.e. eligibility for an entry in the encyclopedia. For better or for worse, Wikipedia decides that based on recognition in reliable secondary sources; entries based on the personal esteem of WP editors violate the no original research policy. If Roach is underappreciated in the music press, the thing to do would be to lobby music journalists to write about him so that Wikipedia would have sufficient sources on which to base an entry. As it seems to me we do not presently have sufficient sources to write a full and balanced account of Roach, I have nominated Roach's page to the Article for Deletion process; you may wish to weigh in at that discussion, especially if you have other sources you can present to support the case for notability. In any case, once the status of the Roach main page is settled, that'll help with how to proceed with the album entries. Meanwhile all best, Innisfree987 (talk) 05:47, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Update to let you know editors at AfD found some good sources so the discussion of the main page closed as keep. For now that means the thing to do is redirect any album entries that don't meet NALBUM to the main page, but I did want to point out, if you were interested, opening a "Steve Roach (discography)" page might be a possibility; probably the main Steve Roach page would need to be expanded first before a fork would really be justified but it's not implausible. And the track listings and references will be retained in the history of the redirect, so you can always retrieve them from there if you did end up making a discography page. If you have difficulty finding the history, let me know and I'll walk you through it. In the meantime, happy editing! Innisfree987 (talk) 23:37, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Additionally--it seems these editors had good luck searching books.google.com, where apparently back issues of CMJ and Billboard are found. I've added the references they turned up to the applicable albums, and note that they were just searching Steve Roach--you might find more if you searched for specific album titles, and thus be able to gather more sources to establish notability for more albums. Hope that helps! Innisfree987 (talk) 02:17, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

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