User talk:Goodreg3

Your GA nomination of Scotland
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GA nomination
Hi I saw Scotland listed at WP:GAN. I see that you opened Talk:Scotland/GA1 in error and I have asked for that review page to be deleted so that an independent reviewer can make a fresh start.

Having looked at the article and at the talk page, there seems to be a debate over the wording of the lead. I am also concerned that the citation style is inconsistent (the rp template and sfn template are both used at the moment). I would recommend withdrawing your nomination temporarily (just delete the template on the talk page once Talk:Scotland/GA1 has been deleted) until the current debate has played out and until you have addressed the issues with citation style.

I hope this is helpful input. Best wishes Mertbiol (talk) 10:19, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Notification of post
I'm notifying you of this post about my concerns. Mutt Lunker (talk) 22:35, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Kilmarnock
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Your GA nomination of Kilmarnock
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Different tack
This morning I recalled your comments at Talk:Scotland that you “do not feel supported by (me) whatsoever” and how much of a slap in the face that felt, in the light of all the work on your edits and copious feedback I’d given, for years now. But it prompted a memory of a similar, lengthy interaction I had with another enthusiastic editor, a long time ago, initially very frustrating but which, to my great surprise, became cordial and productive. I will not be able to devote very much time but, if you are genuinely in search of support and you can slow down and be patient, I’ll see if we can try a different tack. What do you reckon? Mutt Lunker (talk) 22:35, 13 January 2024 (UTC)


 * I would welcome that, and it would certainly be a step in the right direction. Thanks. Goodreg3  (talk) 23:24, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi Goodreg3, as you've had a fair few disambiguation link notifications here, you may not be aware that there's a useful option that highlights links to disambiguation pages, very visibly. If you go to your user preferences, select the gadget tab, scroll down to the appearance section and check "Display links to disambiguation pages in orange", any such pages will become highly visible, alerting you to change it to the correctly disambiguated page, if that is what is required. I find it really handy.

On another matter, do you remember I asked you if you could "(make) smaller individual edits to allow them to be followed more easily", at the Scotland talk page? This diff might be a useful example, where you seem to be dealing with several different and unrelated aspects of the article in one fairly large edit. To allow others to follow what your intentions are, it's easier if they are broken down individually, into smaller, separate edits. That is particularly the case if it involves moving sections of text from one part of the article to another, as any changes to the text don't really show up in the diff. What's more, if there is an issue with part, but not all, of the changes made, it's then possible to revert one of the several, smaller edits and leave the rest intact. If the various aspects being addressed are all done in one major edit then the choice is between a time-consuming and complicated edit to pick out the problem parts from those that are fine or much more simply reverting the whole lot but possibly throwing the baby out with the bath water. Cheers, Mutt Lunker (talk) 14:00, 24 January 2024 (UTC) I'll elaborate on my amendments to this edit of yours. You've been attempting to avoid your previous tendency to post material that is variously copyrighted, copied without attribution or without sufficient paraphrasing. If you do paraphrase though, make sure you retain the meaning of what is stated in the source. The source notes a record figure in regard to generation but your wording indicated consumption, not the same thing. The word "equivalent" re the 113% figure is required for it to make rational sense. It's "country's overall consumption", as it is the consumption by the country, not that of plural "countries". All the best. Mutt Lunker (talk) 16:54, 27 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I will keep trying to improve and ensure edits are polished. Paraphrasing in order to avoid copyright violations is difficult, but, I will keep trying in order to retain the message intended to be put across. Thanks. Goodreg3  (talk) 16:58, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

With this edit, I've mainly tightened up the text and addressed some typos and punctuation. I'm assuming "FLC" as an abbreviation for the RFC is an error but thought I'd better check, in case something else is intended. Mutt Lunker (talk) 23:35, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Good, this edit has addressed the requirement for clarification as anti-shipping patrols are one variety of operational mission and the previous wording implied a distinction.
 * The other tag was that your wording states that "Fighter squadrons on Scotland's east coa(s)t... were co(a)stal command bases". Would something like this be your intention "Fighter squadrons at coastal command bases on Scotland's east coast, at Wick, Dyce, Peterhead, Montrose, Leuchars, Drem, East Fortune, Kinloss and Grangemouth, were used mainly to protect and defend the fleet of aircraft and equipment at both Rosyth Dockyard and Scapa Flow"?
 * An outbreak is an event, so the meaning of "the end of the outbreak of World War II" is unclear. Do you mean at the outbreak? What does the source say?
 * Likewise "During the outbreak of the Cold War" needs to be changed to "at" if that is the case, or otherwise clarified. The expression is a closely-guarded secret not a closed and guarded secret and it ether is or isn't one, it can't be partially so. Mutt Lunker (talk) 00:12, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

As your editing on the matter of a national motto of Scotland proved contentious in the past, I'm disappointed that you have returned to it, with similarly insubstantial support. In light of the history, it would have been more conciliatory to raise the matter at the talk page first, to gain consensus. You must know I would scrutinise such a resumption of what could be seen as the return to a slow WP:WAR. I'm afraid it is a continuation of the way you appear to add material, by stating something you believe to be true, googling search terms on the matter and adding your finds, whether it truly supports the statement or not. The Irish Times article mentions "nemo..." but says nothing about "the national motto of Scotland", let alone support that this is it. Do you know anything about the Scotlander site? I don't, I can't find out anything about it, it does not look in any way authorative and, unless you can show otherwise, you should be avoiding such apparently self-published t-shirt vending sites in favour of something more clearly reliable. The NY Times ref is behind a paywall and, with the multiple failures of verification of other sources you have put forward, I'd like to see the full quote, in context. If you require any clarification, please let me know here. All the best. Mutt Lunker (talk) 21:05, 17 February 2024 (UTC)


 * It's by no means a return to a slow edit war. Rather, I have been researching this extensively since September, and have found a number of sources which would support the view that the national motto of Scotland is indeed "nemo me....". As per your request, I have provided further references with quotes to the article. Hope that helps to resolve any doubt. Hope you're well, and thank you. Goodreg3  (talk) 22:20, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Where in the Irish Times article does it even mention the motto of Scotland? You can not keep using sources like this. 18:19, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
 * The Irish Times article has been removed as per the previous revert, so I’m not sure why that’s being brought into question. Its sources since provided are more than strong in my opinion. Goodreg3  (talk) 18:42, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
 * You added the inappropriate source, which does not support the statement, and I reverted it! The point is that you do this kind of thing all the time. That said, you normally complain when someone reverts such a failed verification, so there is some progress but it does not absolve you from sourcing carelessly in the first place. You can't just expect people to check your uneven work and clean up after if it's not up to snuff. I've been notifying you, supporting you, on this for a long time. Please take things more slowly, check that the source actually, fully supports your material and if there is the merest doubt, don't add it, or ask for another opinion on talk. Mutt Lunker (talk) 21:22, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

I think that this post was ill-considered, baseless and bolsters the indications that you edit on the basis of proving what you believe about a topic to be true, come hell or high water, and that anyone who challenges this must have nefarious intentions. If you wish to post material about a topic, research it with an open mind and record what you find, whether this confirms your previous beliefs or not. One would hope it would be as pleasing to discover new facts as to confirm old beliefs. There are bad people editing on Wikipedia but you should have a solid basis before making such accusations; there was none here.

If you can reflect on this, it may restore some faith in your good intentions if you note below your post that, on consideration, you retract comments made in haste, or the like. Mutt Lunker (talk) 13:43, 1 March 2024 (UTC)


 * I'm not entirely sure what you are getting at here. I do stand by the view that a copy and paste from a supposed email should not be taken as concrete evidence. I merely said that if it was provided in such a way that proved its authenticity, such as from a website, or email/letter with headed paper and/or relevant signature to prove authenticity, then I too may be persuaded. It has nothing to do with the fact that I have, or do not have, a particular view. All I want to do is to establish whether the motto in question is associated with the country, rather than heraldry.
 * I still believe the references I provided achieved this, however, am open to being proven wrong should there be strong, concrete evidence which supports it otherwise. I am not entirely convinced by something that perhaps could have been a copy/paste job or self-created to further someone else's own view or what they wish to be correct. That is not what is happening here, and I feel it is ill-considered and baseless for you to assume so.
 * Whether Scotland has, or has not, got an official motto really means nothing to me. It doesn't keep me awake at night, but I have been researching this to provide sourced evidence and I believe I had achieved this. As I said, I am more than happy to accept the fact there is no official motto if a strong, relevant and reliable source states otherwise. Goodreg3  (talk) 21:54, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm glad to see that you have attempted an apology on the article talk page. Read back your original words though. Whether you phrased it clumsily and did not mean it the way it was written, flat out and with no basis it says that you suspect another editor of lying. WP:AGF is a fundamental matter on Wikipedia and impugning another editor's integrity clearly flies in the face of this. Read it back, imagining you are the editor to whom it is addressed. The editor was not putting the letter forward as a RS to be used in the article itself and it's perfectly reasonable to discuss informal research on a talk page.
 * Your request for evidence that there is no (national official) foo continues to miss the point. Non-facts, by and large, do not get reported, for obvious reasons. There is no onus to somehow prove a negative, only to prove the positive. That you are requesting such extraordinary proof of the negative is why the editor used the initiative that they did. It's not a requirement though.


 * What are you saying "is not... happening here" and that you "feel.. is ill-considered and baseless for (me) to assume"? I know it is aimed at turning my own words back at me but it's not clear what it means in the context. Mutt Lunker (talk) 15:02, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Given the users acceptance of my apology, I think that should be the end of the matter. Goodreg3  (talk) 21:28, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Gracious of them in the extreme. Make sure that is the end of the matter and refrain from behaving this way again, with any other user. Mutt Lunker (talk) 16:32, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
 * When I said about help and advice, I didn’t exactly mean for you to critique every single interaction or edit I make on here. I don’t need watched thank you. Perhaps you picked me up wrong when I referred to helping and being more civil. And, enough of the verbal threats thank you. Goodreg3  (talk) 18:38, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Please be more receptive to other editors raising concerns about your editing. Surely you must appreciate how unproductive it is to respond to us with surly, dismissive rebuffs and hyperbolic and false accusations? Whether you reckon you “need watched” or not, contemplate how the likelihood of this will be affected by your present response mode and inflexibility. Things will be much easier if you assume good faith and co-operate. Can we go back to that please? Mutt Lunker (talk) 19:12, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello Goodreg3. Partially related to stating above about being careful attributing material to sources that do not support such claims: in December last year, you created Michelle McManus' Winter Wonderland and in the reception section, which I've since removed, you claimed that "McManus' vocals on the album tracks, as well as at the live Winter Wonderland shows, were highly praised by music critics and members of the public alike" and cited this Sunday Post article. The album came out in 2019, and that article was published in 2023. It only says "she's arguably a better singer now than she was even then" generally, and doesn't even mention the Christmas album. Maybe some people did say her vocals had improved, but from what I'm seeing from a Google search I don't think the album got much attention at all.  Ss   112   20:05, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Relevance? Goodreg3  (talk) 21:04, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Can I ask again, please can you not add material to articles that turns out not to be supported by the references you give? Mutt Lunker (talk) 23:40, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

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