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Delta Kappa Fraternity
Added some refs, rearranged a bit. Let me know how else I can help. Giving serious thought to combining the NYState localization section with the chapter section as a table, I think that would be cleaner. I've worked on a number of other fraternity related web pages.Naraht (talk) 16:10, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion. If you don't mind I will add the table myself since it will give me a chance to learn some more of the Wikipedia editing script. Also, should I add information about a former DK national officer who became a Sigma Pi national officer? Gooseneck41 (talk) 12:40, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Meaning of Crest
http://uwwlca.com/?p=67 I know this is a blog, but if we can confirm it...Naraht (talk) 22:39, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
 * This information was also listed in the Pledge Manual. I'm still a little hesitant to add it to the article since I don't know if any of the local NY chapters would consider it ritualistic or not.Gooseneck41 17:36, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Baird's Manual 1967 & tables
The Baird's Manual from 1967 (18th edition) has a fairly long description of Delta Kappa in its "closed fraternities" section. I'll see if anything can be additionally referenced from there. Also, I think splitting the school names would probably make it look better. There is a lot of whitespace caused by how tall the entries in that column are.Naraht (talk) 14:31, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

@Naraht Thanks for the edits, they look good. I spoke with some folks at the Sigma Pi headquarters and they have some DK documentation in their museum. I plan to travel to Lebanon, TN sometime this year to take a look at it.


 * You at one point mentioned a national office who transitioned over?Naraht (talk) 17:11, 20 April 2015 (UTC)


 * @Naraht Richard Barnard, who was an alumnus of Milton College.  The 1977 edition of the Emerald article about DKB at Cortland becoming a Sigma Pi colony mentions him as being a DK national officer.  The list of Grand Council officers on the SigmaPi.org page lists him as being a national officer twice and being a foundation board member once.
 * Interesting. I didn't know that there was any contact between the localized DK chapters in NY and Sigma Pi. Definitely sounds reference-able.
 * The other question is whether the page should be Delta Kappa Fraternity or Delta Kappa, I think the only GLO with something afterwards is Phi Beta Kappa Society (and Phi Beta Kappa always gets to be special. :) )Naraht (talk) 16:01, 23 April 2015 (UTC)


 * @Naraht There should be a link to the article about DKB becoming a colony in the references.
 * @Naraht At one time I had thought about naming the page Delta Kappa National Fraternity since that was the name at the last incorporation.  I was thinking about this because I thought I saw another fraternity named Delta Kappa in the last edition of Baird's Manual.  Since I haven't looked into the other organization I thought there should be a way to distiguish between the two should someone decide to look into it.  Of course I've slept and seen shiny objects since then so my memory could be mistaken.
 * Yup.
 * In general, there is no needs to use disambiguation terms unless both articles exist (see Delta Phi Epsilon), there is a Delta Kappa in the 1991 Baird's?Naraht (talk) 15:07, 24 Apr:il 2015 (UTC)
 * Also, we may want to simply change the founding year to founding date to allow for actual dates, if they are known. See http://www.mocavo.com/The-Call-Clarion-State-College-1950-1959-Volume-22-31/757877/34 and then look at the source for the page, that gives the weekend (I'd use the Saturday) for Clarion's founding.
 * And I think we can assume that there was no membership clause restricting membership to Aryans/Northern Europeans. see middle of row 2: http://www.mocavo.com/Clarion-University-of-Pennsylvania-1952-Clarion-Pa/226601/89
 * @Naraht I can change the name if you think it would be a better fit. I am guessing I would have to go through and fix all of the links to the page in other articles.  Would that be worth the effort?  The founding column is listed as the Chartering Date so if we know the exact date I wouldn't think it would be a problem to add them.  As for the membership issue, I always thought it was odd that a fraternity that was founded in New York and only recently expanded out of the state would have a racial membership qualification.  Perhaps it was a religous qualification.  I think I will be able to find out more when I can get to the Sigma Pi headquarters in Lebanon, TN.
 * @Naraht The foot note in the link http://www.leagle.com/decision/19541035125FSupp910_1835.xml/WEBB%20v.%20STATE%20UNIVERSITY%20OF%20NEW%20YORK actually lists the 1953 edict. The edict had three clauses: 1 banning all social groups from affiliations outside their campus; 2 banning local social groups from discriminating; 3 exemptions for religous groups.  So it didn't matter if you discriminated or not, if you were a national (or regional) fraternity you were still banned.
 * @Naraht Also, Baird's Manual listed another Delta Kappa which was founded at Yale in 1845 and had seven chapters, most of them in the South. The Civil War killed off most of the chapters and the only serviving one at Centre College joined Phi Delta Theta in 1879.
 * I'm not getting alerts when you do these, I think you both have to use *and* sign with 4 tildes in order for the software to tell me. I'd love to see the Webb case as a Wikipedia page, I've wondered about the ban on nationals and the case for a while, but I'm not sure it is notable enough. Sadly enough with that rule a fraternity that only existed as SUNY campuses would be hit just as hard. The general rule is to only disambiguate when there is a second article and even if the second article was there, Fraternity wouldn't be enough to differentiate. Which Baird's lists them?Naraht (talk) 04:02, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

DK 1959 Pledge Manual...
Is the Pledge Manual online or not?Naraht (talk) 16:03, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
 * @Naraht No sir. There is a hard copy at the Sigma Pi museum I was able to read.

Copies of the Deltan
Did you take a look to see if anything in the Deltans at http://uwwlca.com/?p=926 is useful?Naraht (talk) 04:05, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

James P. deWolfe
Hi! Out of curiosity, where are you getting all the detailed info in the James P. deWolfe article? Pretty much all statements in Wikipedia article need to be sourced from a verifibale independent reference. I see a lot of material there without references. HappyValleyEditor (talk) 02:26, 25 May 2016 (UTC)


 * @The information you are asking about came from his obituary in the Sigma Pi Emerald. I think I have cited it correctly now.  If not, please let me know.````Gooseneck41 (talk) 10:31, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Cite magazine

 * Lane Swerve... Goodneck41, you may want to use cite web template for your links to the Emerald like I changed to on the article for James P. deWolfe. Looks cleaner, IMO.
 * @, Thank you Naraht. I have no idea how you were included in on this.````Gooseneck41 (talk) 11:08, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I still have your talk page in my watchlist, the edit summary that you used intrigued me. You have a lot of links to the Emerald. On another note, splitting off the notable alumni from the Sigma Pi article into List of Sigma Pi Members may be the way to go. On that note, I need to upgrade all of my links to the Alpha Phi Omega magazine at List of Alpha Phi Omega members. Naraht (talk) 15:46, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
 * @ I created a new draft page called List of Sigma Pi brothers last week. I tried to use the proper channels on that page so it is waiting to be reviewed and approved now.````Gooseneck41 (talk) 12:21, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
 * What you created was Draft:List of Sigma Pi brothers and perhaps surprisingly, this wasn't the way to go. The information is already in Wikipedia mainspace, so following WP:Split, I'm in the process of creating that article from the Sigma Pi article. Should have it up by 3:30, unless the power goes out at my home.Naraht (talk) 18:30, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Done. Copied over the Creed reference which was used both in the brothers and the rest of the article. Still two duplicated references in the new brothers article that are screwy. Harris and spaz both show up more than once with different meanings. You may want to remove the submit from the draft article, it will get silently deleted in 6 months or you can add and a bot will take care of it. Also added Delta Kappa to the Sigma Pi group. Standard on defunct fraternities is to include them in the category of the GLO they merged into.Naraht (talk) 18:44, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Sigma Pi notable alumni
@ Thank you for creating the page. I think I fixed the ref name problem. I'll see if I can get the draft page deleted. If you see anything else I am screwing up please let me know.````Gooseneck41 (talk) 17:09, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
 * @ Another question, I noticed that a couple of the pictures of alumni have an ! --Commented Out: tag on them. Daniel Gerson and Arthur Lichtenberger were the two I noticed.  Is there a reason for that?````Gooseneck41 (talk) 17:48, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Not a rush, but just to be nice to the users who do the AFC reviewing. As for the images... Both File:Dan Gerson & Robert Baird.jpg and File:Arthur_Carl_Lichtenberger.jpg exist, but there appear to be copyright issues with the images. I don't understand the particulars of the copyright issues for Fair Use, but both appear to be situations where the image can only be used in the article about the person themselves.Naraht (talk) 00:39, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
 * @ Thanks for the information.````Gooseneck41 (talk) 9:35, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

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List of Sigma Pi brothers
You may want to look at the format of the references down below, some just look like p86 and when clicked on don't to a good page on enviation.Naraht (talk) 18:37, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'll take a look at it over the next week and try to clean it up.Gooseneck41 22:59, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

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I noticed your draft for Horace M. Trent after you wikilinked a couple of occurences in articles I wrote. Well done for creating that. I would suggest that you not bother with the AFC process and move it straight to mainspace now. You have created enough articles now to understand the requirements and waiting for an AFC reviewer is just an unnecessary delay.

I see that you have requested an expert in science/physics to look at Trent's papers. The first thing to do is to request copies of the papers you are interested in at WP:REX. I am not exactly an expert, but I may be able to help once you have done that. It depends what information you are hoping to extract from the papers. SpinningSpark 15:15, 24 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the information and suggestions. I'm not sure which papers to request right now.  I've used a few of the book references that were featured in your articles.  Even if I did know which papers to request I don't know that I could understand them well enough to put them in layman's terms.  Also, would you happen to know where I could find some biographical information on Dr. Trent.  My only sources so far are from a fraternity journal and I've had one editor say that this is original research (see James P. deWolfe) so now I try to add additional sources.Gooseneck41Gooseneck41 00:39, 26 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Well, my offer was to help you interpret the papers. But since you don't even know what papers you are interested in I don't think I can help much with that. SpinningSpark 00:44, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

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 * @ Things have been pretty hectic this year so I may not be able to help much until after Christmas. I will try to help when I can though.  Maybe you should add something to the talk page outlining what you would like to do.Gooseneck41 (talk) 20:47, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

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Please help me with... Is there a definition for the word Encyclopedic? I keep seeing that phrase used on reverted edits but I haven't been able to find a definition. Thank you. Gooseneck41 (talk) 14:46, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
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 * Hi Lightburst, in the articles for deletion you said that the coordinates took you to another location. Can you double check that please?  When I've clicked on them I get the GEO Hack page.  I've then clicked the satellite buttons for the first three providers and all have given me an aerial view of the community.  Can you tell me which location you are getting taken to or which map service you are using?  Thanks. Gooseneck41 (talk) 06:20, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Sorry, just seeing this now. Best to ping me since I do not page watch. I see that it locates the road "Kirk Loop Road" on google maps. No idea if that is where Kirk is supposed to be. Lightburst (talk) 17:11, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * No problem. Yes, that is the center of the community.  Thanks for getting back to me. Gooseneck41 (talk) 19:04, 17 January 2024 (UTC)