User talk:GordyB/Archive 2

Yorkshireisms
I find it strange that you have cut out words that you have never heard of, but have put in words that you have personally heard. It is one-sided, and a POV. If everyone did that, there would be about five words in the article. andreasegde 00:21, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Apart from the long list you took out, are you really saying that "As bold as brass" is not a Yorkshireism? I beg to differ, Sir. I also noticed that you are adding in some of your own. "Boro" is just a short form of Middlesborough. Think on... andreasegde 09:43, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Any comments? andreasegde 15:44, 18 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Hostile - me? (by using two words that is a dialect expression?) Not on your nelly. My interpretation of "Think on" is "Think about it...". I thought (yourself being a rugby fan) that you would enjoy a bit of banter.


 * P.S. I didn´t put in "Sheff" - someone else did. BTW, Why not take out "Boro", "Cass", and "Sheff"? "Le-ads" could do with a trim... What do you think? (In as nice a way as possible.) andreasegde 16:22, 21 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the note. I will share a thought with you though; I think the page is going to get one of those "delete or keep" debates sooner or later. Every time I look at it I expect to see one. Ho-hum... andreasegde 17:08, 22 August 2006 (UTC)


 * "Sometimes I think you could write an article on a crisp packet you found under your sofa and it would survive a vote for deletion." You gave me a good laugh with that. Thanks... andreasegde 20:48, 22 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Parkin? Good grief, I forgot that one! Bonfire night, or...? Yum-yum andreasegde 15:04, 9 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Check these out:


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I didn´t ADD them, I looked them up, and added a link. Careful? We´re the only two people working on it! :) andreasegde 21:57, 9 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Ahhh... I just looked at your sandbox work, because I overlooked it before. Sorry.
 * If I can be honest for all of us I would say that it´s a monumental piece of work that has to be done. Mammoth. (There some words in the sandbox - like Clemmy - that I have never heard of, BTW.) Problems:


 * "nonstandard pronunciation information which should be rewritten using the International Phonetic Alphabet." If it’s not a problem now, it will be later.
 * The oft-written comment that it should be split up into sections (north, south etc.)
 * The certainty that editors will constantly come along and “lob” words in willy-nilly.
 * Vandals.

If you wish to proceed, I wish you all the best, but it seems all uphill to me. Best of luck. andreasegde 05:33, 10 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I would like to tip my hat to you for trying to clean out this article. It's been annoying me for a while that it's so wildly un-encyclopedic. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information etc.
 * Personally, I would merge the best stuff into the Yorkshire Dialect and Accent page, and leave the original page as a user page where people can add all sorts of fun but unsourced stuff. Or maybe rename it to The Yorkshire dialect in popular culture to allow lots of ref. to Last of the Summer Wine, Bold as Brass etc. It seems like it's always going to be very hard to make this encyclopedic, and it's not clear why this needs to be separate from the Yorkshire Dialect and Accent page.
 * Anyhow, I just wanted to give you some encouragement. I will try and help a bit but I don't think I can commit to what this is really gonna take. Dave w74 17:34, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Limerick Rugby
You asked about GAA and Rugby in Limerick. While Rugby is big in Limerick, it is still dwarfed by Hurling. Munster Rugby games get 15,000 crowds max (usually only maybe 5,000) while Limerick hurling games get 30,000 to 55,000 or upwards depending on what game it is.

On top of that, the sheer number of players of both sports in Limerick are on different scales. You might have 3,000 Rugby players max, while there would be upwards of 20,000 hurlers in County Limerick.Niall123 00:51, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

All Blacks
Dude, the team is called the All Blacks. Deal with it! ElectricRay 22:56, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * And the scoreboard is more determinative than the jersey, or the NZRFU, or the website, or fact that in common parlance that's what everyone on the planet refers to this team as, is it? Says who? What I don't understand is what your beef is - if there is a redirect from New Zealand National Rugby Union Team, which there always has been, how could anyone be confused or disadvantaged about this? You type in "New Zealand National Rugby Union Team" and it loads a page headed "All Blacks" and the very first sentence of the page is "The "All Blacks" is the name of New Zealand's international rugby union team." any doubt, confusion or ambiguity is, I humbly submit, immediately dispelled? Where's the problem, and why is this causing hackles to raise? This should be a total no-brainer. ElectricRay 17:05, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Comparison of American football and rugby union
Sorry, my mistake. I came to the page via a redirect from Comparison of American football and rugby, saw some apparently incomplete references to rugby league, and thought I could fill in some gaps. I didn't notice the actual page title. I'll help tidy up. -- Avenue 12:41, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
 * You beat me to it. I have changed the redirect into a disambiguation page. -- Avenue 12:53, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

RE: Category:Sport in Ireland
Ah ok, I thought that the discussion was leading to relegating Category:Rugby union in Ireland to a subcategory of Category:Sport in Northern Ireland while excluding rugby union in Category:Sport in Ireland for some reason. I agree that it should a subcat of both, so I think we're on the same page; the misunderstanding probably stemmed from my not knowing that Category:Rugby union in Ireland was already a subcategory of Category:Sport in Ireland. As is with everything involving Northern Ireland, I can see how things have become confusing. Thanks for the message!  hoopydink Conas tá tú? 15:57, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Football
Thanks for the message Gordy. I just checked the page out, made a few edits, though it may need further. Most notably I removed that football may refer to AFL or rl in Africa, which really is too far. But yeah. Cvene64 14:37, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Help fight systematic bias
Dear Gordy,

I would like to draw your attention to the discussion currently ongoing at Talk:Popsicle. If you are interested in helping to counter systematic bias towards North America, and instead establish Wikipedia as an international website, then please feel welcome to contribute with your opinions. Thank you. EuroSong talk 19:39, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Rugby Union Tri Series
Hi Gordy Are you OK if I go ahead with Move proposal 4 for "Tri Nations Series (rugby union)"? Or would you prefer the discussion for Move proposal 3 be formally closed first? GringoInChile 12:33, 8 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not too sure of the protocol either. Maybe we can request an adminstrator to close the discussion. --GringoInChile 17:57, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Twickenham Stadium
Hi Gordy, I was wondering if you could give Twickenham Stadium a quick read. The article is looking quite nice these days, so I thought we should put it up for a Good Article nomination, but I thought I'd see if you think there is anything notable/important that needs mentioning first. Cheers. Cvene64 18:20, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Indeed. There are only three refs as of now. I'll try and do it now. Let me know if there is anything else that should be done. Cheers. Cvene64 07:50, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Leeds United Article
Hi. I'm considering editing the Leeds United article into a few smaller articles as when you click edit at the top now it say's it's too long plus the page seems too long in general to me anyway. You're one of the people registered as a wikipedian Leeds United AFC fan in the category that I thought I may get a serious response out of so I was wondering what your thoughts were on which sections should be moved to different pages and linked in the club page. I will do all of the work on this (unless you want to do some yourself) but I’m currently after a few peoples opinions so I can sort the page out on a general consensus. Thanks. --Chappy84 15:19, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Super 14 moves
I see that you voted oppose on Talk: Blues (rugby team), saying all the names would need a disambiguate. If you exclude moving the Blues rugby article, the other three pages (Chiefs, Hurricanes, Highlanders) are all redirects, as the page Crusaders once was. Perhaps you might want to support these three moves, providing they have a header like the Crusaders Article?-- HamedogTalk|@ 01:55, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed that makes sense.GordyB 15:09, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

French finals
Hi! I saw that you reverted the 1893 final of the French championship with racing as winners. But there was a mistake in the original article : Stade Français actually won, Racing were runner-up, so I'm reverting it again. Clck on the green links, you'll get details for each match. See here for the 1893 final. Cheers! Beru91 10:11, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
 * My fault absolutely. I made a mistake after I added the detail of the finals. And if you look at the time of the various diffs, you'll notice you and I made the correction at the exact same minute! Sorry about the sandboxing... and thanks for your eagle eye! Cheers! Beru91 14:06, 22 October 2006 (UTC) (France).

Sheffield Eagles
I'm not sure why you removed the bit about Barrow's support in the Sheffield Eagles article. For Eagles fans Barrow's backing was vital and has led to a strong relationship between the clubs since. Tim Fellows 16:56, 23 October 2006 (UTC)


 * looks OK now Tim Fellows 16:56, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Proposal for rugby super league
Leave your opinion on this matter if you are interested. It is basically about the term rugby super league being used as a disambiguation for all rugby competitions by that or a similar name. Currently it is used as a page for the American RU competition, the rugby super league.

--Ehinger222 12:33, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Swing Low Sweet Chariot
Comment added to the talk page Graemec2 14:51, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

2003 RWC final
Hey Gordy, I posted a message about the article I have been working on for the breakaway 03 RWC final, found here, however I don't think anyone noticed, so do you think you could maybe give it a quick read for any errors or anything? Cvene64 10:34, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Survey Q
Have you ever been to the southern hemisphere, click here to reply.AstroBoy 01:46, 11 November 2006 (UTC) Deadline for entries is December 15th

Harlow Rugby Club
Hi,

I know you have an interest in both codes of rugby and have assisted with our new entry. However, some idiot has vandalised the site, removed pictures and wants to delete the whole entry. I am not an experienced Wiki author and don't understand why this prat would want to do this. Can you return the Harlow entry to how it was prior to the unwanted intervention and tell the guy who did it to sod off please? I read some of his talk page and it seems he is a serial deleter of new entries. If there was anything wrong with the Harlow site (I looked at loads of other entries before submitting the Harlow RUFC entry) then please advise although I assume you would have said something when yo edited before if anything was intrinsically wrong with it.

Thanks, Mark UrquartXV 17:15, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Thankyou for your help and advice. UrquartXV 08:32, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

On a distantly related point, thanks Gordy, for removing the sentence from UrquartXV's page. I genuinely did not appreciate the purpose of these pages. My apologies. Steve Davy

All Blacks Peer review
I've submitted All Blacks article for a peer-review, please go to WP:PR and leave comments if people suggest improvements. This is important if we want to get this article to FA status. Thanks - Shudda talk  02:03, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Near Miss?
If by a "near miss" you mean that there was a crop failure, but the government took action to prevent that from turning into a famine, then I think you are making the point that famines do not occur in democracies stronger. JS 00:28, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree that one should not write that the British deliberately caused the Bengal famine, and if such a claim is made it should be backed up by a considerable body of cites. India was not a democracy prior to the arrival of the British, and possibly there were famines then, I do not know. I have read that India was actually very prosperous, but I cannot claim my readings are exhaustive. I think the best we can do is to mention only the facts. Regards, JS 09:36, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Hello again Gordy. I think if anyone interprets that article to mean that the British deliberately created the famine, that would not be right. The most accurate interpretation would be that the British-Indian government faced significant challenges during the war, and they had their list of priorities. The welfare of the poorer sections to whom they were not accountable through elections was not their top priority. Regards, JS 18:20, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Fouling football
Yes it is played, although it was called docker soccer where I grew up (West Midlands). I presume this term goes back some way as none of us who played it understood (or were old enough to understand) the reference to dockers and its stereotypes and connotations.

Have you any plans to start an article? Cdh1984 18:25, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

All Blacks and announcements template
Hey, was wondering if you could help look over All Blacks to find any problems with regards to submitting as WP:FAC. As well, I've created a template for WP:RU members userpages. You may want to take a look? Thanks. - Shudda talk  05:14, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Hull Kingston Rovers
Your recent edit regarding Hull KR beating the touring Aussies in 1967/8 brought back many golden memories for me. I was at that match, and indeed when they beat Hull FC in the Yorkshire Cup final in the same season. You may know that hooker Peter 'Flash' Flanagan has died recently. Both were stars at that time - and much later on - and two of the greatest players The Robins ever had.

I added the Unreferenced stub recently; because the article really desperately needs some citations, references, footnotes, to bring it to an encyclopedic standard, rather than the present 'fan site' sort of status. Can you oblige - can I help ? - I have many fond recollections of the Rugby League club I followed avidly from my earliest years (I am 52 and rising now) - but these are largely worthless in this place. Very best wishes,

Derek R Bullamore 23:32, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Cumbria
Cumbria is indeed Celtic. What makes you correct and so many Cumbrians wrong? Enzedbrit 20:29, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Fiji Rugby
Hi I was interested in asking you if you would like to be part of a project WP:RUFR, started by me but revamped with the help of Shudda. Its basically a workgroup regarding Fiji Rugby and it would be a great pleasure 2 have you Abroad.Just click on the above link and sign up..Thanx..ø~Cometstyles~ø  (talk)|undefined

Crusaders peer review
Hi, I've requested a peer review for Crusaders. Could everyone please take a look and help out? I'm trying to get the article up to Featured Article standard, and would like any feedback I can get. You can add any comments here. Thanks a lot! - Shudda talk  03:36, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Spain bot
Thanks for bringing this to our attention. As you pointed out, the bot simply adding the WikiProject tag to articles in a selected list of categories. It seems inevitable that there's going to be some amount of "over-inclusion." So please accept our apologies, and please do remove the tag if you feel that it really doesn't apply! Espana Viva 16:52, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Spain tag

 * Thanks - I'll check with WikiProject Spain to see what they want to do about that issue. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 17:44, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Well done indeed on starting up the Cricket in England article!! It had been an absolutely glaring gap in our coverage of England-related topics.

Can I just point out another, perhaps even more startling gap: we still do not have a Sport in England article. It was myself who initiated the Sport in Scotland article (which still needs an awful lot of work on several minor sports - although the football, rugby, motorsport and cycling sections are pretty good). I think I modelled it on Sport in Australia, but there are probably several other decent templates out there. England has a very distinctive sporting culture and heritage, which is highly significant on a global scale, and we are absolutely spoilt for choice in terms of WP:CITE and WP:RS. I am not being a lazy b'stard: I am very willing to do it myself, and have intended to, but I am not very time-rich at the mo, due to a new woman in my life ;) Cheers, and all the best. --Mais oui! 07:30, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

National One
Hi,

I'm new to wikipedia editing. As a Wasps supporter I've been looking at National One in order to size up the opposition, and have found it wanting. Therefore I've been working on National Division One 2006-07, mostly getting a framework in place. Looking down the list on the portal I see you're a Tykes supporter - I wondered if you might cast your eye on the page.... perhaps adding some detail that I can't!

Murkee 10:01, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Re:
Yeah I reported him when you gave the message forgot to tell you, thanks. Lakers 18:34, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Hey Gordy, thanks for fixing the 2007 Colonial Cup article because now it looks way better then before and yeah I have moved information from the Pacific Rugby Cup article regarding the 2006 competition to a new article 2006 Pacific Rugby Cup..I hope you dont Mind..Cheers..-- Cometstyles 14:34, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Here is a link to the 2007 Colonial Cup Standings..-- Cometstyles 14:56, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Rugby League
Gordy,

How can:

"to the irritation of the gentry who ran the game"

be regarded as not nonesense? It sounds like a class war in its current form, and unless you can provide references and state actual facts, simply asserting that the "gentry" who "ran the game" were "irritated" by the success of "working class" teams is highly spurious. In its current form it is not a fact, but a vague statement that may have some degree of truth in it, but is so vague it is actually quite damaging to the article. If you could refine the point, with references, then you could get it in. I've reverted it until you can:

1. Provide actual facts rather than a vague statement. 2. Provide suitable references.

Logoistic 13:31, 20 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Gordy, regarding you last message on my talk page. There is no reference on the talk page which says that the gentry who apparantly ran the game were irritated by working class teams winning. The only reference you make is between a "southern" and "northern" distinction. I have reverted the article again. If you re-revert it without rewording the statement for clrarity and including references, then I will get an admin to look at it. Logoistic 18:47, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The reference refers to northern and southern teams. It does not refer to "snobbery" or "irrtation" by the "gentry". You must also put this referene into the article, page numbered too. Logoistic 18:52, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, so if you have a given fact, then put it in and reference it. Don't be vague though, as that doesn't help anyone. The way it is written sounds like all the gentry are in charge and they are all annoyed at working class success. Isn't this a bit of a generalisation? If you have specific examples of people being annoyed, reference them. But you cannot be vague as it is misleading. Logoistic 19:00, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Logo, you say it 'sounds like all the gentry are in charge and they are all annoyed at working class success' in the present tense. I'm pretty sure it's actually regarding the early history of the sport.--Jeff79 19:43, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 * It is and the same thing was true of cricket and soccer as well.GordyB 20:18, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I was referring to the early history. It sounds doubtful when you say the gentry got "irritated" by working class teams doing well. If something like that can be proven, then put it in a referenced, non-vague fact. Logoistic 00:30, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

rugby union fork
I have converted Playing rugby union into a redirect. You had done this so badly that I though at first it was vandalism. The most important thing is that that the initial edit summary should have been something like "split off from rugby union article which is getting too big". This would have made it clear that your edit was intentional and would have preserved an audit trail to the dozens of people who had contributed to the article. You should also have deleted the text from rugby union.

I suggest you get at least one other person to agree to the split by a note in talk:Rugby union before you do the job properly. -- RHaworth 17:08, 6 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Perhaps if you had read the talk page then you would have seen that a) I had suggested the idea some time ago b) Nobody objected and one editor agreed that it was a good idea c) There is a note on the talk page following my edit d) There is also another one on the wikiproject page which the main editors belong to.
 * But just carry with random accusations.GordyB 17:12, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

OK. You have a mandate to do a split. So do it properly with clear edit summary and removal of duplicate text. -- RHaworth 17:21, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Wes Naiquama
There is already an article relating to Wes Naiqama (WP:DA)..and thanks for archiving the WR:RU talk page, it was getting pretty long..Cheers.. Cometstyles 12:12, 7 May 2007 (UTC)