User talk:GordyB/Archive 3

Crosspost of my response
Notability should not have been disputed in this case. The tag was added by an American, what an American knows about British rugby league I'd really like to know. The club were founder members of a nationwide competition, they are associates of a professional side. ,,. The last link was from 10 Downing Street, if the British government thinks that the sharks are notable then what is the problem?GordyB 22:38, 8 May 2007 (UTC)


 * (For the record, this is what I saw.) While you are correct that I do not know very much about rugby, the lack of the word professional, the use of the word club, and the lack of "recognized by the British government" (as you assert on the Talk page) signal to me that this was not a notable sports team. Perhaps club means something different in British English than American English, but you do not have to be rude. It was an honest mistake. « D. Trebbien ( talk ) 2007 May 11 22:59 (UTC)

Wallabies

 * Do you want to help me in order to better this article Wallabies (version française) ? It should be a very nice result... Ddfree 18:21, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Rugby league
SpecialWindler 06:14, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: User talk:81.101.112.130
I don't think the anon needs to be blocked yet; he/she has not recieved a final warning. However if the anon does vandalise after a final warning is given, report him/her at WP:AIV. Clyde (a.k.a Mystytopia)  20:08, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

France national rugby union team
Hey mate. You are one of the article's major contributors - do you think it's ready forFeatured article candidacy? There has been no feedback at the peer-review so far. Cheers. - Shudda talk  07:41, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes thats what I would say too. It may be a problem it may not - can be changed if need be. I was wondering if you would like to take the article through the FAC process? I have done it for All Blacks, Crusaders and Waisale Serevi, and its starting to look like I do all the work regarding rugby FAC's (which is just not true). I certainly don't mind helping you addressing peoples concerns, but think it would be good for another WP:RU member to take the reins over getting this one through an FAC. Let me know what you think. Thanks. - Shudda  talk  02:18, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey. Sounds good, you may want to not worry about the red-links in the list of notable players. It will probably not survive the FAC anyway (but as it's in the French language version we should wait to see what the reviewers say). The red-links on the current squad are probably more important. Like I said earlier I'll help assist dealing with peoples comments and objections at the FAC. My only piece of advice is to address people's issues or justify why you think their objections are wrong and to stay calm at all times. Anyway I am here to help so just let me know when you nominate it. - Shudda talk  01:06, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

I think it's ready to be nominated now. You may as well get the ball rolling (the process generally takes at least two weeks). - Shudda talk  06:28, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Brian Carney
He would be British for wikipedia purposes as he has represented GB XIII. That is my opinion. Londo06 06:58, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

He is Irish, but he has played for GB. In that respect he would be a British rugby league player, although he is not British. John Skandalis is a Greek Rugby League Player because he has represented Greece. Someone who is eligible for another nation, but has not represented the other nation would remain as their country of birth. That is my understanding of the situation.

I understand the (parent cat) or an Irish one (subcat), and agree with the eligibility bit for players who have not yet represented the other nation. My only issue is for people who search via the category section. Londo06 11:53, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Ireland's Six Nations Stadium
I have corrected your recent edit to the Six Nations Championship article, as Ireland are only playing their home games at Croke Park during 2008. They are however, using Ravenhill for a world cup warmup against Italy, which I believe may be the source of your confusion. I have checked this with a number of sources, including the Irish Rugby Union website. Drc79 15:35, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

GA Nomination
(Rugby league in England)  ¢нαzα93   08:27, 17 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Personally, I don't think this currently is GA material, although I am not a GA reviewer, I do do rugby league peer review. I have put it up for peer review and will give a thourogh review of the article. (See the link on the WikiProject RUgby league template to see the review).  SpecialWindler   talk  11:28, 18 June 2007 (UTC)


 * The review is here WikiProject Rugby league/Peer review/Rugby league in England.  SpecialWindler   talk  11:28, 18 June 2007 (UTC)


 * OK if that section is expanded then go ahead  ¢нαzα93   16:27, 18 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Feel free to ignore my comments if they arne't what English customs in rugby league are.  SpecialWindler   talk  21:19, 18 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Also I haven't finished my review, and feel free to strike out any thing on the review you have done, so it makes it easier for you to find stuff you need to do.  SpecialWindler   talk  21:19, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * (To see how to strike out, edit this page and see what the strike out above looks like.  SpecialWindler   talk  21:19, 18 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Well Done: I have passed the Article after my review This Message was left by  CHAZA93    Talk    Contribs   At: 16:22, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Capitalization
Ooops, we seem to be going in circles. According to the manual of style proper nouns are capitalized: Naming_conventions (see also for correct use in an external encyclopaedia). --Deon Steyn 11:55, 20 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Only saw your message now. I checked the talk page, but couldn't find a discussion in the main talk page. The discussion you pointed to, does not seem to be conclusive? I don't agree with those arguments either. In terms of this article is most certainly is a proper noun. "Rugby union" would refers to unions of rugby, whereas "Rugby Union" would refer to the single concept of a specific sporting code, e.g. "I play rugby, specifically Rugby Union". --Deon Steyn 12:02, 20 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I created and RFC (WP:RFC) section on the Talk page. Please state your side of the argument in the first portion in the appropriate section as per the following example: Requests_for_comment/Article_RfC_example. ::Hopefully we can get this sorted quickly ;-) --Deon Steyn 12:08, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

GA Review
I have passed the article (Rugby League in England), as a result, you are entitled to display: this userbox obtained by the code

Well done  CHAZA93    Talk    Contribs   19:31, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

France national rugby team FAC
Hey,

There have been quite a few comments at the FAC page. I have been trying to address most of them. They are mainly minor things, but there are quite a few of them. I see you havn't been on Wikipedia in a few days. When you are on please try addressing any additional comments, or things I havn't done. If we don't address problems with reasonable promptness then the article could fail. Thanks. Btw did you see All Blacks was TFA?! - Shudda talk  00:38, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
 * It's been promoted! Congratulations. Good to have it at FA before the RWC. - Shudda talk  23:01, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for ur help
Thanks for ur help in organising list of rugby terms article.Plz try to add more terms and definitions to it too.Can u make the index such that all articles are listed under alphabets as well instead of being numerically listed?.I dont know how to do it as im new.

ThanksGanesh s86 15:48, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

England national rugby union team
Hey, I've been working on this page for a while. I think that once it's fully referenced it should be GA without too many problems. I was wondering if you could help me find references for everything. Apart from that it's format is almost identical to France national rugby union team so could prob get GA without to much hassle. - Shudde talk  00:31, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Barnet Copthall
Good work! --Dweller 11:20, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Stupid comment on British Lions page
I've just seen your comment to me "you are not a rugby man". What a stupid thing to say. While I don't attend rugby as often as I'd like to (only twice this year) for financial reasons, I am very much a "rugby man". I even have the scars and broken bones to prove it!!! I just don't like the idea of people like you trying to annex our national team. --MacRusgail 14:33, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Uh...
I can assure you I have no idea what you are talking about. --Closedmouth 08:36, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Main page request
Just thought you might like to know that I’ve made a request for France national rugby union team to appear on the main page on Sep 7th. Today's featured article/requests Buc 19:26, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Rugby union national team Improvement Drive
<div class="plainlinks" style="margin: 0.5em; border: 2px #80737C solid; background: #E0DAE9; padding: 1em;" > For the 2007 Rugby World Cup WikiProject Rugby union is launching an Improvement Drive for national rugby union teams; specifically those participating in the Rugby World Cup. We need your help! Here is what you can do: The World Cup is fast approaching and these articles are going to get a lot more hits during the tournament. It would be great if we could have them at a high standard!
 * Adopt a national rugby union team article and collaborate with other members to improve it.
 * Find, create and upload free images that will help improve these articles.
 * Copy-edit, reference, and expand articles when and where you can.
 * Promote the project and encourage others to join.

For more information see the discussion on the WikiProject Rugby union talk page here. <font color="Blue">Shudde <font color="Blue">talk  05:13, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Soviet Rugby Team
I have started a basic article on the USSR national rugby union team (although I'm not sure that "national" is the right word here), and I would appreciate it if you could cast your eye over it please. I know very little about the team from memory, and don't ever recall it playing, but this is obviously a fairly important side, if only for spawning nearly a dozen minor sides, including Georgia. All the best, --MacRusgail 16:52, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your reply on my talk page. Briefly -


 * Yes, I agree with you that the CIS team should probably be merged, as it lasted for less than two years, and played few matches.
 * re the "National" matter. I get the impression that the USSR had a strange set up for its national teams, which fell between the UK idea of separate teams for each, and the usual state team. If the CIS team is merged, then, yes it can be argued that that was a multinational team, partly because it represented supposedly independent states.

I see that a lot of the former Soviet teams switched to league. Presumably the Communist party frowned on league as a more commercial game, but I have found no evidence of this (there are plenty of amateur RL teams about). Soviet sport was certainly a strange beast.

I am actually surprised at how well the USSR team did. Other than the Five Nations, it seems to have been one of the best in Europe, vying with Italy and Romania... --MacRusgail 15:31, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Scarborough Pirates
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 * The bot caught me mid-edit. I don't believe that my final article does violate copyright and since nobody has made an objection I have removed the allegation.GordyB 21:32, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Based on this description it sounds like you are saying you copied and re-worded - are you under the impression that this does not violate copyright? It seems like you don't really have a good understanding of copyright law if that is the case. —Random832 11:50, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Take a look at the article yourself and see what you think. I don't believe that I have violated copyright and I have given people time to object and nobody has.GordyB 11:55, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Ireland rugby flag
Image:Irelands Rugby Flag.svg is not actually the same as the IRFU flag seen here - and I don't think the elements of the design shared between them are actually copyrightable. (there may be trademark protection, but the rules for that on wikipedia are totally different anyway) —Random832 20:26, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * You should nominate it for deletion, then. The current image is OR, and with no clear reason NOT to use what is at least a decent visual approximation on the right flag, your reaction doesn't make sense. —Random832 23:06, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Images used under fair use cannot be hosted on Commons. —Random832 11:48, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

RUGBY UNION HISTORY
Hi. You deleted my edit on the rugby union history page on the grounds that "deleted bits that aren't true, many Southern clubs paid boot money, Northern clubs are almost all post-1895 set-ups and loads of clubs have no working class participation)". I did not suggest that Southern clubs did not pay boot money.  The split with the Northern Union came about because of broken time payments and those clubs chose to break away.  Your comment that Northern clubs are almost all post-1895 is a gross generalisation.  Many clubs in the South, almost certainly the majority of them, are post-1895.  Many Southern clubs established post-1895 have still used the epithet RFC because there is simply no rugby league in their area - or wasn't when they formed.  There are many clubs in the North established before 1895.  My old club, Kersal RFC (now Altrincham Kersal RFC), was founded in 1888.  The reason why I made the note on the page was because the description implied that the majority of Northern clubs went over to league, which was definitely not the case. Also, your comment that loads of clubs have no working class participation is crass nonsense. I have played at/against many clubs, as have various of my relatives, and our experience is exactly what I wrote - that there is a huge mix of backgrounds of players in many clubs. Sure, a lot have a significant middle class participation, but nearly all have participation from many walks of life. Again I made the point because the description on the page suggested that most rugby union clubs are middle class only. This is rubbish - particularly in the North, in Wales and in the South West. I I would be interested in your response.

Cheers, Brendan. :-) Brendan Fitzgerald 08:15, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Hello Gordy B
Have seen from discussion of Anglo-Scottish border.

Anyway, you are supporter of Leeds United!! Is good team, and soon i hope will be Premier League! was great team just a few years ago and city of this size is too big for lower league team. Also -15 points is great start and i think that you will be number one or maybe number 2 at end of season, good luck for promotion. YESYESandmanygoals 12:16, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

All Blacks versus France at rugby union
Hi, would you be able to have a read of All Blacks versus France at rugby union and leave your comments at the peer review here? Your opinion would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. - <font color="Blue">Shudde <font color="Blue">talk  03:02, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

French RL
Dear sir, what do you know of the History of the French RL to make modifications ?

If you are unsatisfied verify with Louis Bonnery i.e. 15 years National Director of the French Rugby League, State civil servant and buy his 500 pages book representing 8 yars of searches, his book is also a big reference for Mike Rylance with whom i am in contact . Read here Mike Rylance opinion on people (like you) who think to know French RL via newspapers and not via documents we have: http://leopards.forumactif.com/Reprise-de-pages-du-site-Villeneuve-leopardscom-f9/le-Rugby-Interdit-Mike-Rylance-t865.htm
 * I know more than enough about French rugby league to know that 10000000 amateur sporst federations did not exist and that the four clubs that enter the Challenge Cup are not "fictional".
 * I am not interested in further debates with morons.GordyB 22:28, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

- I have never write 10000000 amateur sporst, the vandal is not Louis Bonnery, is not Mike Rylance, is not me, OK
 * No, but you reverted to it and then accused me of knowing nothing about French rugby league.
 * In addition to which you have obviously never read the NPOV guidelines and keep deleting sections for no reason. If you want references then ask for references.GordyB 23:06, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

-- Is it Pleasant to see this after several weeks of Work ?

This article or section may contain inappropriate or misinterpreted citations which do not verify the text. Please help improve this article by checking for inaccuracies. This article has been tagged since July 2007. (help, talk, get involved!)

Is it pleasant to see modifications like you made again ? with what documents of the French republic ? of the FFR.13 ? of Louis Bonnery ? or mines ?

I am sure you disagree the French Version written by Historian like Louis Bonnery

the vandal for the 10000000 amateur sporst is: Revision as of 02:59, 8 October 2007 (edit) (undo)219.89.170.154 (Talk) (→Vichy banning)Newer edit →

and i never write it is you

red this also and you will have a better knowledge: http://www.totalrl.com/fansforum/index.php?showtopic=27111 and not newspapers knowledge.

c'est pas aux vieux singes qu'on apprend à faire des grimaces !!!!!!


 * Jpds, I have read that thread. I post on totalrlc all the time. Some of the sections which you deleted were based on what Cliff Sprackley posted on that forum. Are you suggesting that he doesn't know what he is talking about?GordyB 23:46, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

-- What is the most easier: to don't know ? or to know and to hide points ? or to not reply to questions made to Cliff ? or to be evasive because official documents i hold are the same than Cliff ?

Broadcasting of the 500 pages Louis Bonnery Book: April 1996, Constitution of 13Actif: 1997.

Read L. Bonnery book and you will be surprise, moreover a State civil servant broacasting false official documents of the Repubic it is several years in jail and several thousands euro of penalties (less for an ordinary citizen) OK; L. Bonnery has never been in jail, obliged to pay penalties, me also OK.

Do you think that the club or federation managers in life of before warii, in life of the years 1944 to 1955 appreciated the broadcasting of false informations and be taken as idiots, incapables (despite all they have made) by the youngs ?

French RL has never been linked with socialists (a mythe created by 13actif or readers of the study of Robert fassolette), socialists don't appreciate RL (have you read speechs of Léo Lagrange, what they have made after warii ?, what has been made by president Mitterand ?)

I reput the correct version and you add info if you want

FRU in 1934 it is 663 clubs, 558 in 1939 (not only 471 having paid all their obligations to the FFR; it was the same problem in the LFR.13: several clubs didn't pay their obligations to her)
 * You deleted information that you don't dispute here regarding the formation of 13 Actif and their court procedure. That's vandalism.
 * You also seem to think that your sources are the sole truth on the subject which is not and never has been Wikipedia policy. If you want sources for statements made that is one thing but insisting that the article is sourced only from one book is highly POV.GordyB 10:23, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Warning
Please do not delete content from pages on Wikipedia. Your edits do not appear to be constructive and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox for test edits. - Soprani 11:05, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You are totally out of order with this. You have left me no choice but to take this further.GordyB 13:21, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Ironically SOprani is now blocked but it was nothing to do with me.GordyB 17:13, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Rugby union in Wales
Thanks for all your help, it's devastating when all the Welsh seem to do is take the piss regarding their national sport and an Englishman makes a great effort to produce real facts. Good luck on the weekend and any help you can provide in this article would be appreciated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by FruitMonkey (talk • contribs) 19:29, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Adminship
I'd guess you've been asked before, but are you interested? --Dweller 14:53, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Take a stroll through WP:ADMIN and see if you're interested. If you are, I'll give you some advice on how to prepare yourself for the nomination process. --Dweller 15:35, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Reminder
Hey, was wondering if you had anything to add to the peer review here? Thanks. - <font color="Blue">Shudde <font color="Blue">talk  22:16, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Please pay attention
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swing_Low%2C_Sweet_Chariot

I am not sure how to do this but please stop reversing my deletion of the external link to immortalia.com website. It is a dead link and it has profanity on it. Thanks.
 * I will check and if it is a dead link then I will not reverse your deletion of it. Dead links should be removed. However a profanity is absolutely no reason to delete it.GordyB 11:12, 30 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I am sure you found its a 404 page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.243.103.66 (talk) 09:08, 31 October 2007 (UTC)