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Catholic Vs Roman Catholic Church
Just a question. I am curious as to why you see the need to change the popes and saints from Roman Catholic to Catholic. It appears that the wording was consistent across multiple articles. I fear that we may end up with a mixture. Krj373*(talk), *(contrib) 18:17, 24 December 2017 (UTC)





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A barnstar for you!

 * @Mifter, thank you very much. It means a lot. :) --Governor Sheng (talk) 19:55, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

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 * Kiteinthewind, I just noticed your message. No worries. I still have work to do on this article and it will be improved. --Governor Sheng (talk) 21:54, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

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 * Display name 99, thank you. I'll get to work. :) --Governor Sheng (talk) 23:04, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

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Wanted to thank you for the Sheng Shicai article
I've always been interested in Sheng Shicai and the Xinjiang clique but have never been able to find any good information on him. I wanted to thank you for all the edits you made to his page. Grngu (talk) 01:07, 28 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Grngu,it's my pleasure. :) --Governor Sheng (talk) 14:32, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Pope Miltiades
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Rothschild loan to the Holy See
Thank you for your comment. The only problem with bringing it to GA status is, I am not 100% sure about how exactly the Vatican got out of dept and paid off the loan (this happened around 1870 I think). This aspect would have to be researched more before it could become a GA. Claíomh Solais (talk) 21:19, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

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Hello. After your edits on the pages with the results of the Croatia national team, there's now a page for each decade, except that all matches from 1940 to 1999 are covered in a single page. Why not split the latter into a separate page for the 1940s plus that 1956 match vs Indonesia, and another one for the 1990s? Not only would this more or less preserve the general decades-based listing pattern, but also that hiatus from 1956 to 1990 is a much more natural boundary than a simple turn of a decade, so it's an appropriate point where a list should end and another should begin. And also, the 1940s-1950s page could then include some background information about the political incarnations of Croatia during that time. What do you think? --Theurgist (talk) 15:07, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

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I did just some work on Chad Ripperger, and noticed that you had created it; I presume that you did most of the "heavy lifting". I think that you would make a good member of WikiProject Catholicism. Please consider joining! -JohnAlbertRigali (talk) 20:50, 2 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Sorry for not replying. I just saw your message as I was inactive for some time. I have joined the project, and gladly so. Thank you for your invitation. --Governor Sheng (talk) 12:28, 14 March 2019 (UTC)


 * It's all good. Thanks for joining! -JohnAlbertRigali (talk) 15:12, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

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 * Happy to see you're expanding the content of this article. -- llywrch (talk) 16:28, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you! :) --Governor Sheng (talk) 18:40, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I was on a trip for a few days. Just to inform you I'm back. --Governor Sheng (talk) 10:44, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
 * , I've been thinking about this article. The major problem I see with it is that it needs a lot of background information to explicate the significance of the death of Sheng Shiqi. However, the article about his brother, Sheng Shicai is far more detailed & provides a very informative window into the politics of China of this period. With far less work that article could easily be made into GA than the one on Sheng Shiqi. Moreover, any additional research required to bring Shicai to GA could be reused to improve the one on Shiqi. I'm happy to work with you further on this article, but IMHO the one on Shicai would render you much more satisfaction -- & in the long run benefit Wikipedia more. -- llywrch (talk) 04:36, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
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Also "KTA" and "Vecernji" in Petar Palić. And references to Whiting & Sheng, p. 13, Whiting & Sheng 1935, p. 14, and Sheng 1936 in Sheng Shicai. And references to Brophy 2016 and Tunces 2019 in Mahmut Muhiti. Renata (talk) 07:11, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

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 * I'm still working on the article. --Governor Sheng (talk) 11:13, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

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Bishop of Rome
The consensus is that Popes before the East-West Schism are listed in the lede paragraph as "bishop of Rome" and not "head of the Catholic Church", being that is an anachronism. Elizium23 (talk) 01:57, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
 * However, some popes after the schism were described as "bishop of Rome". That is fixed now. --Governor Sheng (talk) 02:01, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

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 * LOL. Sorry. I didn't know that. --Governor Sheng (talk) 23:34, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

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 * Diannaa there are current copyright issues going on in this article. Red Rose 13 (talk) 18:39, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Herzegovina Affair and Medjugorje
I apologize for the late reply! A quick side note: there's a plenary indulgence for victims of coronavirus, in case you needed to know: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indulgence#Coronavirus_plenary_indulgences

As for Medjugorje, here are some articles that can help: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Our_Lady_of_Medjugorje

The Affair has to do with the following:

1) Medjugorje experiences a war, Francican friar priests (henceforth "friars") take over dioceses for the imprisoned bishops, with said bishops' permission, so the dioceses aren't lost to war

2) War ends, bishops get out of prison and ask friars to restore the dioceses to them, but friars refuse because they committed child sex abuse and know the victims will come forward if the diocese are restored to the bishops

3) Bishops appeal to the Pope, Pope asks friars to restore dioceses, but friars refuse

4) Pope writes Romanis Pontificibus, ordering the friars to restore the dioceses

5) Friars refuse, now committing schism (refusal to submit to the Pope) and breaking their vow of obedience to the Pope. Schism and vow breaking are sins (but one can be dispensed from a vow by the Pope). One who vows to obey the Pope must obey him as he would the Lord, unless the Pope orders someone to commit sin, in which case, the person is obliged to disobey the Pope (civil disobedience). Also, schismatic Catholic are still subject to the Pope until the Pope says otherwise.

6) Restoring dioceses to bishops is a matter of faith and virtue. By faith, a bishop is a steward of a diocese, as a vicar of Christ, because Christ is the real owner of a diocese, as the head of the Church. Bishops make a vow to obey Christ, which includes being a steward of a diocese. If bishops did not ask friars for dioceses back, they'd be committing sin; but because they did ask, they practiced virtue.

7) Pope excommunicates friars for disobeying him despite their vows. Excommunication means a priest cannot celebrate sacraments, except for a grave reason (a priest may baptize or hear the confession of a dying person). To violate excommunication is a sin.

8) Friars celebrate sacraments despite excommunication.

9) Fr. Vlasic is moved to Medjugorje (as punishment) after he has sex with a nun and she fathers his child (she couldn't hide her pregnancy, so what Vlasic did became known and nun is kicked out of her religious order), Vlasic becomes spiritual director of the parish of Medjugorje. Spiritual directors give moral advice regarding Christian life, such as how one is to treat an apparition.

10) Medjugorje apparitions happen. Vlasic manipulates the visionaries into claiming the Medjugorje apparitions said the friars can celebrate sacraments despite excommunication. Depending on your interpretation, this means the apparitions are either ignorant of the excommunication (Mary cannot err because God speaks through her, and God is perfect), or lied or is approving of the friars' schism (Mary cannot lie or approve of sin because she is sinless, and lying and approval of sin are sins in themselves). The excommunication was not in error, because the friars really did disobey the Pope, so the apparition cannot be calling for civil disobedience.

11) Victims of child sex abuse come forward to civil government, who try and imprison some of the friars

12) Vlasic manipulates visionaries into claiming the apparitions said he (Vlasic) is innocent of having sex with a nun and that the friars are innocent of child sex abuse

I know more about the Medjugorje apparitions than the Affair, mind you. In fact, there's an interesting comparison to be made between Medjugorje and Kibeho. At Kibeho, Mary appeared to some children, who experienced ecstasy during the apparitions. There is video of these ecstasies on Youtube. Youtube also has video of the Medjugorje visionaries experiencing ecstasy during apparitions. However, there's a differnce between the two. At Kibeho, the children show all the signs of ecstasy: rolled back eyes (as if asleep), focus on something invisible in front of them, stiff body movement, and superhuman knowledge (knowing who gave them rosaries, etc.). At Medjugorje, none of these signs appear during the ecstasies. So, in light of this ecstasy comparison and in light of the Affair, it's safe to say the apparitions of Medjugorje are a hoax.

Oct13 (talk) 11:55, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

I just googled the Kibeho visionaries and saw each one in a photograph during their communion. Their eyes were open (not rolled back) looking at something in front of them. I suggest doing real research before making an erroneous claim.Red Rose 13 (talk) 18:44, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Are you an expert on how a person having a vision of Mary should look or act? No? I didn't think so. Your comments I notice have not one factual reference and so it appears as personal opinion or a leaning which is not acceptable on Wikipedia. I have seen people in ecstasy and their eyes are closed. The visionaries all were looking at something invisible in front of them & above them and would be talking with her but no one could hear what they were saying. They are obviously awake and focused on Mary.  She is communicating with them.  Perhaps the children in Kibeho were not conversing but had a different role. Red Rose 13 (talk) 18:37, 24 October 2020 (UTC)


 * , are your comments ment for me or ? --Governor Sheng (talk) 22:03, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Our Lady of Medjugorje‎
Hello - Your edits on this page are lacking the name of the book you used, the publisher, year it was written and author. Also you need to use the format for references for a book. Please correct or I will need to revert your edits. Red Rose 13 (talk) 05:24, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but the book is mentioned. Under the footnotes, you'll find the name of the author. Once you click on that, it will refer you to the book used. The book is listed under the References/Books chapter. Example: . I hope I explained the issue. --Governor Sheng (talk) 05:41, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Your recent edits on this page did not include a collaboration with other editors, you added too much wording to your references, your references are not complete per wiki guidelines and there is no way to look them up with only the author listed. I am asking you to revert your edits and bring the changes you want to make to the talk page. I tried to revert your edits all at once but was unsuccessful. If you don't, I will need to delete each edit one by one and take to the talk page. Your choice. Red Rose 13 (talk) 18:10, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Please, don't give me any ultimatums. You had enough time to make some comments on my edits. You haven't done so for more than a month. You are free to contribute. We can jointly improve the article. All I added is well referenced. What we need to do is to improve the article with my edits included. I repeat, you could leave a comment, and you haven't. Now you want everything deleted. It won't happen, sorry. Not only that, but if you remove my edits, without any explanation at the talk page, I'll report your behaviour to some of the administrators. --Governor Sheng (talk) 22:18, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

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 * Thank you! :) --Governor Sheng (talk) 16:10, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

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Missing cite in Diocese of Duvno
The article cites "Škegro 2007" but no such source is listed in bibliography. Can you please add? Also, suggest installing a script to highlight such errors in the future. All you need to do is copy and paste importScript('User:Svick/HarvErrors.js'); // Backlink: User:Svick/HarvErrors.js to your common.js page. Thanks, Renata (talk) 01:14, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much, that is helpful. I'll start working on the article very soon. --Governor Sheng (talk) 19:01, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Reminder: the citation is still not fixed in Diocese of Duvno. You also added "Baković" to Radoslav Glavaš (junior). Please fix both of these. Renata (talk) 01:26, 23 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Done. --Governor Sheng (talk) 12:57, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Your recent RfPs
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Personal Insult Report
According to Wikipedia guidelines and respect, I thought you should know that I reported your behavior in the same report.Red Rose 13 (talk) 22:58, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I appreciate you notifying me. Thank you. --Governor Sheng (talk) 23:05, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

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Dispute Resolution filed for Pavol Hnilica
Informing you I filed a dispute resolution request here Red Rose 13 (talk) 19:31, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

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Željko Komšić
Hi @Governor Sheng! How are you? I see you did some edits on Željko Komšić's article, mainly deleting a supposed rv POV-pushing? Okay, deleting the part where US Ambassador Eric Nelson is mentioned is okay as it's not that important, but deleting Komšić's non-paper that he sent to EU foreign ministers and his reaction to a supposed non-paper sent by Slovenian Prime Minister Janez Janša? Why? It's a pretty important thing that was covered by a lot of domestic and foreign media. And Komšić's opinion, as practicaly one of Bosnia's three presidents, does matter, so why did you think that that was rv POV-pushing? I do hope to get your answer shortly! :) Bakir123 (talk) 15:02, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

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Third Opinion request for Our Lady of Medjugorje page
Here is the location of the Third Opinion page. I am hoping we can find a neutral, wikipedia expert to help us finish the Our Lady of Medjugorje page. [] Red Rose 13 (talk) 18:18, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay. Thank you for taking care of that. --Governor Sheng (talk) 18:33, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Did you notice it was deleted by Robert McClenon? He pointed me into other places to ask for help. In that process I found this area. Wikipedia:Adopt-a-user/Adoptee's Area/Adopters [] I read through them and Rosguill seems like a possible fit.(about half way down) Here is his talk page [] Before I ask, I wanted your feedback first. Let's start working as a cooperative team.Red Rose 13 (talk) 15:03, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

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False allegation again
[] Your your false allegation to the Administrator Notice Board accusing me of Canvasing was ignored.Red Rose 13 (talk) 14:37, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

Croatia national team head-to-head records
Hello, I've seen your multiple edits of the "Head-to-head records" section of Croatia national football team. The reason why the old table is good is the fact that the Croatian Football Federation counts the game against USMNT as their first ever international, and since then they have played another 315 games (and the 300th game was the 1–1 draw with Wales on 13 October 2019). However, all the games they played before the aforementioned game cannot be simply ignored so they are listed in a separate table. The reason why the 1945 games are not included is the fact that those games were not exactly international back then when all those teams were from the same nation. I hope this clears it up. Pjesnik21 (talk) 12:00, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Also, the "official" denomination in the infobox is just a metonym for "as FIFA member". Pjesnik21 (talk) 12:13, 16 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much for responding. I can't make the same conclusion you did there. The Twitter post you linked me to states "300th appearance of the #Croatia national team since independence." From this statement, it is clear they count other games before independence too. I'll direct you to Talk:Croatia national football team. Is it up to the Croatian Football Federation to determine when this independence occurred? Surely, political scientists will disagree that Croatia was independent before 25 June 1991. Regarding you statement what is "international" about an international match, I'll respond that surely Scotland and England count their matches as international, though they're in the same country. I just don't see such a conclusion here. Also, your characterisation of an "official" match is not in accordance with the Glossary of association football terms. Here, an official match ("A" Match) is: [an] "international match for which both associations field their first team". --Governor Sheng (talk) 17:04, 16 June 2021 (UTC)


 * I think you are confusing the independence of a football federation with the independence of a country. Yes, Croatia was not independent in 1990. However, the Croatian Football Federation was setting foundations for its resurgence with that game, breaking away from the Football Association of Yugoslavia. That way Scotland and England are both independent football nations that have their own associations recognized by FIFA. Therefore, if the CFF counts international games since 17 October 1990, I believe they should be listed that way. Also, your definition of an A match isn't necessarily a definition of an official match. The A team can be fielded in an unofficial match as well. --Pjesnik21 (talk) 20:22, 16 June 2021 (UTC)


 * You haven't convinced me with this. Croatia established its football federation back in 1940 and re-established it in 1990. I just don't see your logic here. I think you're making non-existing terms... football independence vs political independence. To me, this makes no sense. If this is what you're believe, then the games played in 1940 are no different than those played in 1990. Regarding CFF's counting, I think you're making a false premise. CFF doesn't count international games since 17 October 1990, but since its first football match vs Switzerland in 1940. . Regarding the deffinition of an "official match", even FIFA states it doesn't need to be organised under its auspices: "Official match: a match organised under the auspices of a football organisation for all of the teams or clubs in its sphere of operation; the score has an effect on the rights of participation in other competitions unless the regulations in question stipulate otherwise."  I. E., as for FIFA or any other football association, an official match is the one both associations consider to be official. That said, even FIFA recognises that a match between England and Scotland played in 1872, way before FIFA was established, is the first international match. Generally this idea of emphasising matches as "pre-independence" or "post-independence" is just senseless. What if hypothetically, Croatia becames a member of a larger union of states, but keeps it's national team... Should we also add a separate emphasis "post-independence"?  --Governor Sheng (talk) 18:54, 17 June 2021 (UTC)


 * If, hypothetically, Croatia become a member of a larger union of states but keep their national team, then we should not add a separate emphasis since they would be perserving their football independence. The links you posted are not an official source on the Croatia Football Federation's records. This one, however, is, and it shows the USMNT game as their first ever game. All games played before that one are not recognized by the Federation, nor the general public in Croatia in general, with most of them being unaware that those games have ever occurred. Therefore, the games played since 17 October 1990 are recognized by the Federation and should be listed as such. Games played before that date―if noted―should be noted separately. A state and a football association should be kept separate as well. The Federation was already independent and on its own in 1990, before the Parliament declared independence of the Republic. Concerning England and Scotland, as football associations they are independent nations, as states they are united. And concerning their 19th-century games, the sole reason FIFA recognizes them is because FIFA did not exist back then so they recognized them in retrospective. --Pjesnik21 (talk) 19:59, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Croatia
There is no need for such aesthetics that you insist on. This is not how the football box collapsible should be generated. Your edits so far in the articles are not constructive and if you don't stop undoing I will report you. Besides, it makes far too dificult for ordinary editors to make edits after every match.--Sakiv (talk) 09:35, 20 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Not so. Your edits are not constructive. Instead of working on aesthetics you could add or remove some information. This is how the pages looked like months before you deemed some of its parts as "unnecessary". --Governor Sheng (talk) 09:36, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
 * What is the benefit of your additions? What is the significance of these for readers?? You are also not the one who updates the article after every match. The additions were not there when the article 2020-present was created. The articles should look like France national football team results (2000–2019).--Sakiv (talk) 09:39, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I created some of those pages, while ago (Croatia national football team results (2000–2009)) and added a vast majority of the content to the other ones (which was later split into separate article by other editors ). You can see my contribution at each page. The benefit and significance for the readers is they can easily see to what tournament certain matches belong, instead of reading every separate entry, they'll have certain tournaments in different colours, plus the number of matches is also added. There's no rule how the article should look like. --Governor Sheng (talk) 09:46, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
 * First of all, creating the original article does not give you the right to determine what future articles should look like. Numbering matches does not give any benefit to the reader and this can be done on the main page as in Belgium and Spain. And coloring the numbers is also redundant. I think we can come to terms.--Sakiv (talk) 09:51, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Of course creating the original article doesn't give me the right to determine what the future articles should look like. I was answering your question what is my contribution other than aesthetics. What is redundant and what is not is your personal view. Maybe a vote should clear things out? --Governor Sheng (talk) 09:53, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes there is consensus on how the matches should be displayed. Take a look at WikiProject_Football/National_teams. And Wikipedia is not a democracy.--Sakiv (talk) 09:57, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Wasn't aware of the WikiProject_Football/National_teams. --Governor Sheng (talk) 10:00, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

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DYK for Ivan Štironja
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Thanks
I just saw, that you have included in the Bilal Bosnić article, also one of my (co)authored articles. Thanks for that! Regards, Klemen Kocjancic (talk) 10:15, 12 August 2021 (UTC)


 * No problem. I hope we can collaborate. --Governor Sheng (talk) 20:55, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

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Missing cites in Alojzije Mišić
The article cites "Gjurić" and "Goluža 2006" but no such sources are listed in the bibliography. Can you please add? Also, suggest installing a script to highlight such errors in the future. All you need to do is copy and paste importScript('User:Svick/HarvErrors.js'); // Backlink: User:Svick/HarvErrors.js to your common.js page. Thanks, Renata•3 20:51, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Ditto for "Pamučina 1873" in Ali Pasha Rizvanbegović. Really, please, either pay more attention to references (and install the script to help highlight the errors) or stop using short references. Thanks, Renata•3 00:45, 10 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Please resolve issues identified above. Thank you. Renata•3 00:44, 14 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Done. --Governor Sheng (talk) 11:43, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

WP:TWINKLE
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You might try using Twinkle to tag pages for deletion, they provide a space to link the page you want moved so that the patrolling admin can look at the article and do the deletion and move in one action. You might find your CSD requests get a faster response as Wikipedia admins are very familiar with Twinkle and how it tags pages. Liz Read! Talk! 03:35, 14 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you! --Governor Sheng (talk) 11:43, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Editor Civility Problem
Civility is part of Wikipedia's code of conduct and one of its five pillars. WP:CIVIL Governor Sheng once again here is another uncivil comment copied from your revert. "User Rotten Rose deleted the source in her rampage" Oct 17, 2021 Did you notice that Manannan67 took the post out saying - "rm sentence tagged unsourced since February 2021" Oct 15, 2021 which I agree with. It appears again that you neglect to even read the reasons I am doing what I am doing. We need to find a civil common ground on this page. It has been over a year now.Red Rose 13 (talk) 19:52, 26 October 2021 (UTC)


 * What wrong with Red Rose in German? You're offended by German language Rose? Didn't know that. I take it back. --Governor Sheng (talk) 21:55, 2 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Red Rose translated into German is rote Rose [] As you know the word rotten means being in a state of putrefaction or decay, as you well know. This is not the first time you have been uncivil. This is a warning. Red Rose 13 (talk) 22:25, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Converts to Catholicism from Sunni Islam


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Editor Civility Problem
(1) from a post on your talk page in October 2021 "Civility is part of Wikipedia's code of conduct and one of its five pillars. WP:CIVIL Governor Sheng once again here is another uncivil comment copied from your revert. "User Rotten Rose deleted the source in her rampage" Oct 17, 2021 Did you notice that Manannan67 took the post out saying - "rm sentence tagged unsourced since February 2021" Oct 15, 2021 which I agree with. It appears again that you neglect to even read the reasons I am doing what I am doing. We need to find a civil common ground on this page. It has been over a year now.Red Rose 13 (talk) 19:52, 26 October 2021 (UTC) (2) Current post title = Crap - This is just bullshiting...  Joe likes scat porn. 2/7/22  2nd warning. I find this offensive and unproductive. I am only open to a (a) civil conversation (b) using wikipedia guidelines as the foundation, not personal opinions. Also reverting first rather than discussing your objection is counter productive and disruptive.Red Rose 13 (talk) 20:26, 7 February 2022 (UTC)


 * I don't care you find it offensive. --Governor Sheng (talk) 21:00, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Portrait of Ali Pasha Rizvanbegović
Hi, I see that you reverted this edit. Why do you say this is not the portrait of Ali Pasha Rizvanbegović? if you're right, we should also amend accordingly the caption on wikicommons. Thanks, --Dans (talk) 14:11, 13 February 2022 (UTC)


 * I've already initiated the discussion there, at Commons (here). The detailed explanation is there, but the person portrayed in the image is Mehmed Emin Âli Pasha. --Governor Sheng (talk) 15:40, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks. And nothing happened for 15 months since? If so, we should indeed rename the picture. Btw, it would be useful to have a source to attribute it, though I agree with you that it does indeed look like him. --Dans (talk) 20:35, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, apparently, my request to remove the photo wasn't simple enough, or whatever, so the guys choose not to bother. :) --Governor Sheng (talk) 19:58, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

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Srećko Matko Džaja moved to draftspace
An article you recently created, Srećko Matko Džaja, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of " " before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. UnitedStatesian (talk) 05:07, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Ali Pasha Rizvanbegović
Hi Governor Sheng. At the beginning of March you added some references to Ali Pasha Rizvanbegović. You've only added sfn templates, but these need a full cite to link too. Do you have the full details of who Gölen 2019, Krešić 2012, and Kapidžić 2001 are? - LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 15:34, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

New Page Patrol newsletter May 2022
Hello ,

At the time of the last newsletter (No.26, September 2021), the backlog was 'only' just over 6,000 articles. In the past six months, the backlog has reached nearly 16,000, a staggering level not seen in several years. A very small number of users had been doing the vast majority of the reviews. Due to "burn-out", we have recently lost most of this effort. Furthermore, several reviewers have been stripped of the user right for abuse of privilege and the articles they patrolled were put back in the queue.

Several discussions on the state of the process have taken place on the talk page, but there has been no action to make any changes. The project also lacks coordination since the "position" is vacant.

In the last 30 days, only 100 reviewers have made more than 8 patrols and only 50 have averaged one review a day. There are currently Special:ListUsers/patroller New Page Reviewers, but about a third have not had any activity in the past month. All administrators have this permission, but only about a dozen significantly contribute to NPP.

This means we have an active pool of about 450 to address the backlog. We cannot rely on a few to do most of the work as that inevitably leads to burnout. A fairly experienced reviewer can usually do a review in a few minutes. If every active reviewer would patrol just one article per day, the backlog would very quickly disappear.

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 You have been blocked from editing for a period of 24 hours for edit warring, as you did at Our Lady of Medjugorje. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page:. Slp1 (talk) 20:54, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

Short form references
Hello again Governor Sheng. I'm coming across more and more articles where you've used short form references (eg sfn and the like), but have not added any cites for these to link to. For instance on the 3rd you added this to Tomislavgrad. I'm concerned that it appears you've added many links like this, all without full cites to link too. - LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 12:39, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I have noticed this on other pages as well. Here is the one on John Paul II page [] reference #404 and another one on this page reference #22 []. It looks to me like errors that need to be corrected.Red Rose 13 (talk) 07:49, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
 * There's Gölen 2019 and Krešić 2012 in Ali Pasha Rizvanbegović too. &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 20:27, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Governor Sheng. You have had enough time to see these comments. Please correct your errors. Red Rose 13 (talk) 20:13, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
 * All in its time. --Governor Sheng (talk) 21:14, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Governor Sheng. You just did massive edits on Our Lady of Medjugorje with some source called Gontermann 2021 and you used the short form reference and did not add any cites for this link. It needs to be fixed immediately.Red Rose 13 (talk) 21:00, 14 June 2022 (UTC)


 * I know. Governor Sheng (talk) 21:01, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Do you plan on fixing it within 24 hours?Red Rose 13 (talk) 22:01, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
 * No. Governor Sheng (talk) 22:58, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I thought you both might want to know because it seems the others ones are not fixed either. and  Red Rose 13 (talk) 23:22, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
 * unless you start supplying the missing full cites, I see no option but to start reverting the articles where they are missing. You can't keep adding what is effectively unsourced content. - LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 12:16, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
 * The refs were added the very same day I've reached the necessary literature (as you can see from my edits from yesterday); regarding, of course I said she cannot expect me to add refs within 24 hrs as there was no intention on my side to keep the non-referenced inserts I added. Governor Sheng (talk) 12:48, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks Governor Sheng. Sorry I had missed the additions. Although that is because both articles still appear in the error list, as "Kapidžić 2001" is still missing from Ali Pasha Rizvanbegović and "Збирка закона и уредаба 1945" from Tomislavgrad. I suggest turning on these errors, if you haven't already. As for Our Lady of Medjugorje I agree that 24 hours is restrictive, but it would be easier for other editors if you added the cites at the same time as the references. - LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 13:36, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I just checked and these two are not fixed yet. [] reference #404 and another one on this page reference #22 [] When do you plan on fixing these two?Red Rose 13 (talk) 14:08, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
 * The same time as the earlier fixes. Governor Sheng (talk) 14:10, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I am sorry I am not sure what you are saying. When are you going to fix them?Red Rose 13 (talk) 16:38, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
 * It is clearly written. Governor Sheng (talk) 12:11, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

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New Page Patrol newsletter June 2022
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At the time of the last newsletter (No.27, May 2022), the backlog was approaching 16,000, having shot up rapidly from 6,000 over the prior two months. The attention the newsletter brought to the backlog sparked a flurry of activity. There was new discussion on process improvements, efforts to invite new editors to participate in NPP increased and more editors requested the NPP user right so they could help, and most importantly, the number of reviews picked up and the backlog decreased, dipping below 14,000 at the end of May.
 * Backlog status

Since then, the news has not been so good. The backlog is basically flat, hovering around 14,200. I wish I could report the number of reviews done and the number of new articles added to the queue. But the available statistics we have are woefully inadequate. The only real number we have is the net queue size.

In the last 30 days, the top 100 reviewers have all made more than 16 patrols (up from 8 last month), and about 70 have averaged one review a day (up from 50 last month).

While there are more people doing more reviews, many of the ~730 with the NPP right are doing little. Most of the reviews are being done by the top 50 or 100 reviewers. They need your help. We appreciate every review done, but please aim to do one a day (on average, or 30 a month).

A backlog reduction drive, coordinated by buidhe and Zippybonzo, will be held from July 1 to July 31. Sign up here. Barnstars will be awarded.
 * Backlog drive

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There has been significant discussion at WP:VPP recently on NPP-related matters (Draftification, Deletion, Notability, Verifiability, Burden). Proposals that would somewhat ease the burden on NPP aren't gaining much traction, although there are suggestions that the role of NPP be fundamentally changed to focus only on major CSD-type issues.


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ANI
Hello, just to let you know that I have unarchived the discussion, as it needs closing. Slp1 (talk) 08:52, 30 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Ok, thank you for notifying me. Governor Sheng (talk) 13:23, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

NPP July 2022 backlog drive is on!
(t &#183; c)  buidhe  20:25, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Need some help
Hello fellow Balkan editor, I need your help. In Bosnia and Herzegovina pages in the lede the language it's a mess you can find out Cyrillic Serbian text, Cyrillic Script, Croatian or Bosnian and each page differs drastically. I'm not sure how or what language to keep, should I keep Cyrillic? Should I change the language in the lede based on demographics? If yes some places are heavily mixed. That's what's bothering me and I can't decide. S.G ReDark (talk) 13:09, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

disambiguation
For some reason you did this twice now:


 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gabela,_%C4%8Capljina&diff=1098842197&oldid=1098839361&diffmode=source
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gabela,_%C4%8Capljina&diff=1002047988&oldid=933759474&diffmode=source

Neither time was there any explanation for this action, which is clearly contrary to WP:NCGN. This last one was practically minutes after I had fixed it again. I'm really getting an incivility vibe from this pattern at this point. Please either pay attention or voice any concerns you may have. --Joy &#91;shallot&#93; (talk) 21:20, 17 July 2022 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, I was unaware of that. Sincire apologies. :) Governor Sheng (talk) 15:07, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

New Page Patrol newsletter August 2022
Hello ,

After the last newsletter (No.28, June 2022), the backlog declined another 1,000 to 13,000 in the last week of June. Then the July backlog drive began, during which 9,900 articles were reviewed and the backlog fell by 4,500 to just under 8,500 (these numbers illustrate how many new articles regularly flow into the queue). Thanks go to the coordinators and, as well as all the nearly 100 participants. Congratulations to who led with 880 points. See this page for further details.
 * Backlog status

Unfortunately, most of the decline happened in the first half of the month, and the backlog has already risen to 9,600. Understandably, it seems many backlog drive participants are taking a break from reviewing and unfortunately, we are not even keeping up with the inflow let alone driving it lower. We need the other 600 reviewers to do more! Please try to do at least one a day.


 * Coordination: and  have taken on some of the coordination tasks. Please let them know if you are interested in helping out.  will be handling recognition, and will be retroactively awarding the annual barnstars that have not been issued for a few years.


 * Open letter to the WMF: The Page Curation software needs urgent attention. There are dozens of bug fixes and enhancements that are stalled (listed at Suggested improvements). We have written a letter to be sent to the WMF and we encourage as many patrollers as possible to sign it here. We are also in negotiation with the Board of Trustees to press for assistance. Better software will make the active reviewers we have more productive.


 * TIP - Reviewing by subject: Reviewers who prefer to patrol new pages by their most familiar subjects can do so from the regularly updated sorted topic list.


 * New reviewers: The NPP School is being underused. The learning curve for NPP is quite steep, but a detailed and easy-to-read tutorial exists, and the Curation Tool's many features are fully described and illustrated on the updated page here.


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Concern regarding Draft:Srećko Matko Džaja
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October 2022 New Pages Patrol backlog drive
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Hello, Governor Sheng. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Srećko Matko Džaja".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz Read! Talk! 05:13, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

New Page Patrol newsletter October 2022
Hello , Much has happened since the last newsletter over two months ago. The open letter finished with 444 signatures. The letter was sent to several dozen people at the WMF, and we have heard that it is being discussed but there has been no official reply. A related article appears in the current issue of The Signpost. If you haven't seen it, you should, including the readers' comment section.

Awards: Barnstars were given for the past several years (thanks to ), and we are now all caught up. The 2021 cup went to for leading with 26,525 article reviews during 2021. To encourage moderate activity, a new "Iron" level barnstar is awarded annually for reviewing 360 articles ("one-a-day"), and 100 reviews earns the "Standard" NPP barnstar. About 90 reviewers received barnstars for each of the years 2018 to 2021 (including the new awards that were given retroactively). All awards issued for every year are listed on the Awards page. Check out the new Hall of Fame also. Software news: and  have connected with WMF developers who can review and approve patches, so they have been able to fix some bugs, and make other improvements to the Page Curation software. You can see everything that has been fixed recently here. The reviewer report has also been improved. Suggestions:
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Backlog: Saving the best for last: From a July low of 8,500, the backlog climbed back to 11,000 in August and then reversed in September dropping to below 6,000 and continued falling with the October backlog drive to under 1,000, a level not seen in over four years. Keep in mind that there are 2,000 new articles every week, so the number of reviews is far higher than the backlog reduction. To keep the backlog under a thousand, we have to keep reviewing at about half the recent rate!


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New Pages Patrol newsletter January 2023
Hello , The October drive reduced the backlog from 9,700 to an amazing 0! Congratulations to who led with 2084 points. See this page for further details. The queue is steadily rising again and is approaching 2,000. It would be great if <2,000 were the “new normal”. Please continue to help out even if it's only for a few or even one patrol a day. won the 2022 cup for 28,302 article reviews last year - that's an average of nearly 80/day. There was one Gold Award (5000+ reviews), 11 Silver (2000+), 28 Iron (360+) and 39 more for the 100+ barnstar. led again for the 4th year by clearing 49,294 redirects. For the full details see the Awards page and the Hall of Fame. Congratulations everyone!
 * Backlog
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Minimum deletion time: The previous WP:NPP guideline was to wait 15 minutes before tagging for deletion (including draftification and WP:BLAR). Due to complaints, a consensus decided to raise the time to 1 hour. To illustrate this, very new pages in the feed are now highlighted in red. (As always, this is not applicable to attack pages, copyvios, vandalism, etc.)

New draftify script: In response to feedback from AFC, the The Move to Draft script now provides a choice of set messages that also link the creator to a new, friendly explanation page. The script also warns reviewers if the creator is probably still developing the article. The former script is no longer maintained. Please edit your edit your common.js or vector.js file from  to  '''

Redirects: Some of our redirect reviewers have reduced their activity and the backlog is up to 9,000+ (two months deep). If you are interested in this distinctly different task and need any help, see this guide, this checklist, and spend some time at WP:RFD.

Discussions with the WMF The PageTriage open letter signed by 444 users is bearing fruit. The Growth Team has assigned some software engineers to work on PageTriage, the software that powers the NewPagesFeed and the Page Curation toolbar. WMF has submitted dozens of patches in the last few weeks to modernize PageTriage's code, which will make it easier to write patches in the future. This work is helpful but is not very visible to the end user. For patches visible to the end user, volunteers such as and  have been writing patches for bug reports and feature requests. The Growth Team also had a video conference with the NPP coordinators to discuss revamping the landing pages that new users see.


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