User talk:Govvy/Archive9

Talk:Andrew Robertson
Read the closing summary. "The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section." Jmorrison230582 (talk) 14:40, 9 January 2019 (UTC)


 * That's in the window, not under it. Govvy (talk) 14:43, 9 January 2019 (UTC)


 * What part of "section" do you not understand? Jmorrison230582 (talk) 14:53, 9 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Even know the conversation was related to the above closed conversation, that's what you're suppose to do, post below the close conversation window. But you break the tradition and do what you want, everyone else does, everyone is so anal these days. Govvy (talk) 14:58, 9 January 2019 (UTC)


 * If this is a a "tradition", perhaps you could point to another example of it. And cut out the personal abuse. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 15:00, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Personal abuse? You're the one that started this, you should look at all other conversations with moves, goto WP:AN, good example of how people converse! Govvy (talk) 15:10, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

George Marsh (footballer, born 1998)
✅ GiantSnowman 15:36, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
 * The usual in my experience for cases like this would be to have George Marsh (English footballer) and George Marsh (Australian footballer). GiantSnowman 15:51, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Not my own rules
You're lying when you claim that I'm apply my own rules Every MLS team has had this imposed on. Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:03, 13 January 2019 (UTC)


 * I don't think so, you do this a lot, you interpret rules in-correctly, post on people's talk pages that they are waging war, breaking the rules even know you're the one doing it. You delete people's comments from your own talk page to try and hide your ineptitude. I really have no time for you, I don't like your editing style and don't really want to associate with you and I am surprised you haven't been banned from wikipedia long ago. Govvy (talk) 21:11, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

English Border Front
Yes, I see why not. Make a request at WP:RFPP. GiantSnowman 08:36, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Mousa Dembélé (Belgian footballer)
Thanks for your edits re the 'too soon' additions of a transfer of this player which hasn't happened yet. We were editing at the same time and somehow, our edits seemed to get mixed up! I've no idea how it happened, but I think my latest edit has unpicked it all and put him back as a Tottenham player. Neiltonks (talk) 11:53, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Really... Because he signed already,, care to revert your changes? Govvy (talk) 11:59, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
 * lol, I thought that was Dembele when I first looked, it's not, sorz, Govvy (talk) 12:03, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Govvy!


Happy New Year! Govvy, Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.

Iggy (Swan) 00:26, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

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Peerage
Hi thanks for your reply, my main concern is to get the Barons of the United Kingdom to a better standard. I have done the Dukes, Marquesses, Earls, Viscounts and Barons (except the UK).Mr Hall of England (talk) 20:40, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

Wealdstone FC
I am the club's researcher for Football manager and have been for over 5 years. Player list is updated from website/twitter news. Please make sure you check this before making amends as you added players that have left or out on loan. This has been discussed before and all edit's undone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.117.153.126 (talk • contribs) 13:11, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

Ogi Obi James CLark Glenn Wilson Bradley Hudson Odoi — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.117.153.126 (talk • contribs) 13:26, 28 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Wealdstone page is still a mess, each loan player should have a citation, you don't add a citation to the other players in the squad. You really don't need that big ass hidden comment in the article either! There are a number of WP:MoS issues also that need fixing there. Seems like you're claiming WP:OWN by that full revert. Govvy (talk) 13:40, 28 January 2019 (UTC)


 * That is your opinion, it's been like this on the page for over 5 years with only 2 comments on it. All loan players are normally have citation's added. We do indeed to make sure people like yourselves don't have players added that no longer play for the club. The issues regarding loan's will be fixed by myself shortly but no others are required or you will be reported and blocked from making edits on the club. You have made over 6 error's on the page in total and made no apology for these. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.117.153.126 (talk • contribs) 13:54, 28 January 2019 (UTC)


 * I don't understand, why do I need to apologise for trying to match the official website? If they are not up to date, it's not a wikipedia editors fault. Govvy (talk) 14:12, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

As i have worked for the club as a researcher and as a nonplaying member of staff i am in a better position that you to comment on this. You have only checked one source, no social media or other news websites and then try to put the blame on me? All i'm hearing is excuses from you so please stay away from the page or to make further edits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.117.153.126 (talk • contribs) 14:20, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

Fernando Llorente
Hi there,

apologies offered, due to: 1 - starts in chronology, I was misled by the other user, certes, but the fact is that I also did not correct it; 2 - the ground where match was played yesterday, totally botched it up, nice catch!

Additionally, I have cleaned it up a bit more and added ref for Fulham match. Sorry for any inconvenience, keep it up --Quite A Character (talk) 13:53, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

heh, no worries. Govvy (talk) 14:26, 31 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks! However, the following: 1 - I noticed : reverting a user on several articles, after the latter inserted BBC Sport as a newspaper. Plus, if you leave it as a work, the (italicised) display remains, hence creating confusion for some; 2 - no need for first name of subject twice, in this case Harry Kane; 3 - last but not least, I think Wembley should stay linked, it a first-ever (and ONLY) mention in text.

Attentively --Quite A Character (talk) 15:08, 31 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Was just trying to vary the language/verb(s) while still being encyclopedical. Whatever, apologies (and i reiterate, without trying to sound "holier than thou" while speaking to a native of the language, that i'm 99,9999999999999999% sure that "away" and "at" imply the SAME thing. It stays how you want)! --Quite A Character (talk) 21:05, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Contextually the language should be clear as possible and I think Hzh has a point there. Tottenham were away at Fulham yes, but to someone who is dyslexic, that might read that Tottenham lost away at Fulham 2-1. Govvy (talk) 21:10, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

I see. But what about "in a 2-1 win at Fulham"? Is it as incorrect as it gets? Honestly, it "rings right in my ear", but i'm not going to vouch for its grammatical value of the top of my head :) --Quite A Character (talk) 21:25, 31 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Well I trust Hzh, he did just put a huge amount of work in getting History of Tottenham Hotspur F.C. to FA so I think the English is trustworthy. Also how about Jonathan Castro Otto? Hows your Spanish? Whats with the informality of the article? I raised it on WT:FOOTBALL, the formality of writing his surname over forename? Govvy (talk) 21:32, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

No, i'm not doubting Hzh's language skills, i merely asked if "a team wins 2-1 at another team" was (in)correct English. My Spanish is quite proficient. If i understand you correctly, he's to be addressed as "Jonny" not "Otto" as he's known as "Jonny". People addressing the subject as "Jonny Otto" in newspapers or here are misleading readers (not saying intentionally), "Jonny Otto" is a nick/nickname compound --Quite A Character (talk) 21:47, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

transfer
Dear Govvy, according to the Oxford Dictionary, transfer is "(in football and other sports) move to another team". Transfer can be by different ways. In any way for K. Sterling it was a transfer on loan. He can't appears again in this table. I think, you are non correct in terminology. But if you insist, I won't to make a controversy and continue reverting. With regards--Noel baran (talk) 14:59, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I know what a transfer is, did you bother looking up what a loan is? The player can return to the club at any time, pretty different to a transfer. For that reason I don't see the need to separate those players out of the statistics only to add him back in at the end of the season. Seems a bit pointless over live data. Govvy (talk) 16:09, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

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england national football team
hi there I just wanted to ask why you removed my work on the English national football team I am a ferly new editor but I have checked all my sources and feel that it was a good edit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:9616:2800:C595:1B6F:BF7D:3814 (talk) 11:37, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
 * It's policy not to have a gallery of shirts like that, please goto WP:FOOTBALL and have a browse through the history, type in 'Gallery' in the search feature on the talk page and you will see all the arguments. Govvy (talk) 12:07, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Real
Was easy to see and fix, was vandalism. Kante4 (talk) 13:11, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Cheers, I really didn't see what went wrote, I was trying to work out the code but couldn't for some reason. Govvy (talk) 13:14, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
 * At the bottom there was a player added but the closing }} were missed. Kante4 (talk) 13:17, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

O'Reilly & Brown
Thanks - I've merged them into your sandbox. GiantSnowman 12:47, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

History of Tottenham Hotspur F.C. scheduled for TFA
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Walter Görlitz
Walter Görlitz again removed Spanish club at Marc-André ter Stegen — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fcbjuvenil (talk • contribs) 23:37 (UTC)

Welwyn Garden City F.C.
I removed it as it looked like it had been copied from a club website having words such as 'we' and 'our', therefore it was a copvio. I do not have the knowledge to rewrite what was there, and did not know that an earlier better version had existed. All the best Red Jay (talk) 16:57, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

Precious
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:20, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

Billy McNeill
I had already nominated it! Now trying to fix as some citation needed tags have been added. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 11:33, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Nick Tsaroulla
Hey! Just a quick question about Nick Tsaroulla's move to Brentford B. Wouldn't the move have even less relevance to next season's page, given that it occurred this season? Just trying to get my head around how it will look on next season's page...

Cheers! :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Supernaut09 (talk • contribs) 00:24, 14 May 2019 (UTC)


 * That note on the Spurs season page is normally if a player is snapped up in a short time period, it has been such a long time period, a whole season till he got signed by Brentford, how do we know he wasn't at a smaller club for a little bit in between that time. I guess you're correct in saying it's this season still, although he won't get any football till next season now! Govvy (talk) 07:29, 14 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Good point about us not knowing if he was at a smaller club. I have scoured the internet and haven't found any evidence of this, though... Checked his social media outlets without luck, too. If you reckon we leave it until next season, I'll go with your advice, as I reckon you're a hell of a lot more experienced at this Wikipedia game than me, but I just can't see in my mind how it will fit onto next season's page. Do you advise that we just let this bit of news go entirely and not address it on the Spurs pages at all? Supernaut09 (talk) 12:15, 18 May 2019
 * I don't think it needs to be noted on the Spurs article, I have an article in my sandbox for him User:Govvy/Nick Tsaroulla if you're interested. Govvy (talk) 16:28, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
 * That looks brilliant! Thank you for creating that! Supernaut09 (talk) 08:32, 21 May 2019

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of celebrities who own wineries and vineyards
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Your GA nomination of Matt Bomer
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Meanings of minor planet names: 500001–501000 AFD repeat
I am contacting everyone who participated at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of minor planets: 500001–501000 to tell you the same discussion is happening again at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Meanings of minor planet names: 500001–501000.  D r e a m Focus  12:33, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

Fernando Llorente
Hi. Have had a go at tweaking the text re Spurs departure. Hope you think it is okay and accommodates use of both sources now. RossRSmith (talk) 11:10, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
 * You got it completely wrong, Tottenham did include Llorente in their released players list to the premier league, hence that primary source. You should read how I had it before carefully, you made it worse and in-factual. The source you added doesn't really add anything and I feel inclined to revert again. I will give you a chance to un-do your edit. Govvy (talk) 15:32, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
 * My apologies. It does seem I mis-read that PL document. RossRSmith (talk) 09:13, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

July 2019
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. --Loginnigol (talk) 18:10, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Govvy, the discussion is closed. If you haven't already, though, you should heed my warning in the closure.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:34, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Okay, didn't think I really did anything serious, but I thought the guy was trolling, I've seen a pattern like that before from two other users and his edit seemed a bit pointless in it's application. Govvy (talk) 19:59, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

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Finding dead sources
-- 109.77.229.35 (talk) 22:33, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

RE
More sockmaster than sock - but there was an older account (very low edit count) involved. See Sockpuppet investigations/PE65000/Archive. I am waiting to see what EMG has to say - I hope this is a mistake.Icewhiz (talk) 14:16, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Such a shame if it's right, I thought the guy was a good editor. Govvy (talk) 14:33, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
 * He is. He was TBANed a few months back from immigration for bludgeoning a bit too much - which may have been a trigger. Or perhaps a mistake. Want to see what he has to say.Icewhiz (talk) 14:36, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

COYS
Thanks for your support. COYS. Fullrabb (talk) 14:50, 12 August 2019 (UTC)Fullrabb

Runner-up positions
This has been an issue of some contention in the post, not least because there is no clear, settled view on it. It is applied incredibly inconsistently, some people have runner-up positions included, most do not. A general opinion that was floated the last time this flared up as an issue was that the highest achieved position should be included, but even this is applied inconsistently. Would suggest there is at least some attempt to get consensus on this again... Vaze50 (talk) 13:57, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

This is incredibly frustrating. The Champions League is the biggest club competition in the world and it is entirely logical that we note when a club has won silver medals as runner-ups. Are these same editors going through every Olympian entry and deleting mentions of silver medals?? Including this information is supported by Wikipedia precedent - see, e.g., the entry for Borussia Dortmund, which lists every single runner-up season not just in Europe but domestically, as well. If anything, we should prioritize adding significant information rather than concealing or censoring it, which is what a couple of these editors are insisting upon doing. Furthermore, it is entirely contradictory for Wikipedia to include entries for lucrative and international pre-season tournaments such as the International Champions Cup and the Audi Cup, and to list the winner for each year, but then for one Wikipedia editor to decide, "No, you can't list this information on the Tottenham Hotspur entry!!" More information and less stubborn censorship, please. Realgonerocket88 (talk) 19 August 2019 (UTC)
 * This is just being consistent with all the articles on major clubs, only major trophies won are given in the main articles (see for example Liverpool F.C., Manchester United F.C.) and minor trophies for Tottenham are given in List of Tottenham Hotspur F.C. records and statistics. Pre-season friendly tournaments are not major competitions. Hzh (talk) 00:12, 19 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Club articles are treated differently to athlete biographies. The current consensus in the Association Football project for club articles is to list trophies won that are run by FIFA, UEFA or the association league of said country. A football club doesn't receive a runner up trophy! As for footballers, there is a slightly different consensus, the current model is to list medals won, that also includes runner up medals. However, for top footballers that have won a lot of trophies and there are only a handful, it's common practice to remove the runner-up medals to stop that section being saturated. As for question over Olympians, editors shouldn't be removing the silver and bronze medals, that's disruptive editing. Govvy (talk) 08:17, 19 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your explanation, but your explanation is incorrect and inconsistent with Wikipedia precedent. Firstly, the section is clearly for "Honors" not "Trophies," so your statement that "A football club doesn't receive a runner up trophy!" is irrelevant. (Similarly, we see, for example, that the entry for the Croatian national team lists both runner-up and third-place finishes in the World Cup, and neither came with trophies!) Furthermore, your statement regarding a current consensus is incorrect, as the entries for such runner ups as Atletico Madrid, Borussia Dortmund, Valenica, Monaco, Olympique de Marseille, FK Patrizan, Borussia Mönchengladbach, Malmö FF, Saint-Étienne, Hamburger SV, FCSB, etc., ALL list Runner-up finishes in the European Cup/Champions League. In fact, some of these entries also list Runner-up finishes in their domestic leagues or cups, as well! Clearly, it is neither consensus nor common practice to remove runners-up finishes from these lists. Finally, as Tottenham just had its first appearance in club history in the CL final, it is even more noteworthy that this be listed! The policy here should be to share significant information, not to indiscriminately or selectively censor it just because a few other clubs haven't listed their runner-up finishes yet. Thank you. User:Realgonerocket88 (talk) 19 August 2019 (UTC)
 * A little thing, are you signing your posts correctly, you use four twiddles to sign ~ Secondly, a national team isn't a club, I don't have those other teams on my watchlist. There is a difference to achievements and honours. Getting to a cup final is an achievement not an honour. Receiving a trophy is an honour. Govvy (talk) 14:36, 19 August 2019 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid you did not address my points, and saying "a cup final is an achievement not an honour" is not just an arbitrary value judgment but, as I have clearly demonstrated, contradictory with more than a DOZEN similar entries association football clubs. Fact: The heading is "Honours," not "Trophies." Are you seriously arguing that winning a silver medal in the world's biggest competition is not an honor? If so, then (1) you will have to explain to UEFA that it is not worth it for them to award silver medals, and (2) you are contradicting MANY other entries, as I have documented for you above. Furthermore, the point about the national team holds true; a Wikipedia editor cannot reasonably claim that a silver medal in the world's biggest club competition is not an "honor" when Wikipedia considers a third place medal in the World Cup - the national team equivalent of the Champions League! - to be a worthy honor. Furthermore, editors cannot claim "trophies only" but then simultaneously delete the trophies won in the ICC and Audi Cups these past two years. So not only are these deletions contradictory to the precedent established by a slew of other entries, the editors are also contradicting each other! Again, these deletions speak toward selective censorship and against consistency and transparency of information. Let's be consistent please. … By the way, I might be confused about the signature format? Actually I copied the identical signature format of the post above me and simply changed the user names as appropriate. I don't see where the four twiddles will go? Realgonerocket88 (talk) 19 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Goto WP:FOOTBALL then, they will pretty much repeat what I've already said. But from what I read, you haven't really understood anything I've said, so I not going to say anything else. Govvy (talk) 17:49, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Notice
Hello Govvy, I mentioned you on WT:FOOTY in relation to Jack Roles. JMHamo (talk) 21:37, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Sorry
I thought I was being helpful and when I realised I made a mistake I tried to correct it. H.B Desiato (talk) 17:45, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
 * please keep the discussion to the relevant article. Govvy (talk) 17:46, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

Honours etc at Spurs and other clubs
Hi. A few days ago I answered your message on my talk page, and I also added comment on the Honours subject at the WT:FOOTBALL talk page. You, and others, have not commented further. I think the inconsistencies in club main page articles re: guidelines at present, do need to be addressed. RossRSmith (talk) 22:12, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Not my fault if others don't reply to you, but for Tottenham all the honours are on List of Tottenham Hotspur F.C. records and statistics, a club wins an honour, players receive an honour for being a runner up, the club does not receive an honour for runner-up. Leagues and Cups have differences for runner-up. I can't put it any more straight forward than that. Govvy (talk) 22:19, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Chris Kinnear
You can always do what I do (with my assistance with the delete-y bits) - move to mainspace and delete to restore the history in case he becomes notable in the future. GiantSnowman 18:27, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Okay, looks like you move protected it ages ago. Govvy (talk) 18:57, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅ GiantSnowman 19:12, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Troy Parrott
FYI: Draft:Troy Parrott Bogger (talk) 09:19, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I have a skimmed draft in my own user space of User:Govvy/Troy Parrott, however you haven't explained what you want from me! Govvy (talk) 09:55, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Host / hosts
The position in the examples aren't changing it from noun to verb, it's the context of the rest of the sentence that switches it from a named thing (noun) being recognised as the "host" (noun) to the named thing (noun) being recognised as performing the act of hosting the event as the "hosts" (verb). Per the examples in the football talk page I gave, they are interchangeable in a lot of situations depending on the intent, but there are also situations where first person vs third person become set in rock. Koncorde (talk) 08:40, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
 * It's not a case of not listening, it's a case of what is being said not being presented in a way that is very clear. The "S" is to do with the third-person singular use of singular or plural nouns of which countries are an example. This BBC World Service article covers it in a basic fashion, as does this which also includes lots of people arguing about it in specific cases, with some examples Pop Quiz #4 and #5 are particularly relevant. Koncorde (talk) 13:46, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

You OK ?
Just saying, guys, in all that tidying-up to remove my unwanted and unnecessary inputs, the substantive warning was lost. So for the record, from the History previously, I think this was it, below. Saying No More. Do whatever you like, Govvy. I am out of here. Pings Parthian Shot. >

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> Goodbye.124.171.192.102 (talk) 12:00, 21 September 2019 (UTC)


 * I see no edit warring from yourself so I am clueless as to what this IP address is up to. Iggy (Swan) 14:08, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I have no idea who the IP is, it was trolling, most likely a sock IP for someone. Govvy (talk) 18:54, 21 September 2019 (UTC)


 * I have deleted the background to this from my talk page: dig through the history of my talk page if you wish.
 * I received a 3RR warning (technically deserved, but I would defend what I had done) from, posted by Cassianto, but not signed. I replied that I thought that failing to sign that was rather uncivil (maybe not my finest Wiki-moment, but), and this IP (obviously an experienced Wiki-er, and therefore engaged here in sockpuppetry) weighed in, falsely, that it was a bot.  Wondering why this IP with only one previous post would be aware of my talk page, I pointed out his/her error and the cowardice implicit in using an IP, which resulted in a quite incomprehensible reply, including denial that IP is Cassianto.  I deleted the entire thread.  Govvy (not sure what brought the activity on my talk page to your attention either) appeared with kind words, and the IP then returned with the repost of the 3RR and this surreal farewell message.  I deleted it from my talk page, and an hour later it appeared here, with a slightly adapted text so that it was addressed to Govvy.  Weird, certainly not the behavious of somebody with only one post to their history.  Kevin McE (talk) 20:14, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

Troy Parrott
✅ - and FYI, please stop messing around with page moves/locations etc. If you need a hand just let somebody like me know. GiantSnowman 09:02, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
 * - please also stop messing around with this article. GiantSnowman 09:20, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

Category:Marvel Cinematic Universe actresses
Hi Govvy... no, I hadn't see your comment on WT:WikiProject Biography but glad someone else noticed it was a questionable addition. 🙂 —Joeyconnick (talk) 18:39, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
 * No probs, you know, I am surprised how big a scope the biography project is that more editors don't bother even monitoring it!! heh. Govvy (talk) 18:58, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

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 * Govvy (talk) 09:41, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

Re: Short names
"MUFC" is not only initials but also one of the common names used to refer to the team, at least historically. Thanks. – PeeJay 19:40, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
 * A name is any recognisable identifier for a specific entity. "Utd." is not a name for Manchester United because it is not used in that fashion. Ever. – PeeJay 19:59, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I didn't restore that bit. The line says "Man United/Utd", which implies that they can be either "Man United" or "Man Utd". If that's not clear enough, we can change it to "Man United/Man Utd". – PeeJay 20:20, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Have a break

 * Cheers, I always suspected he was socking but was never quite sure. Govvy (talk) 09:55, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Live updates
Hello. I made sure the numbers were correct and dates updated before clicking submit. I am watching the game and would update if any more goals are scored. At the end of the game it's going to be the same edits that are made to these articles. So why can't they be done half an hour earlier? Ae245 (talk) 13:29, 14 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Please read WP:LIVESCORES thanks. Govvy (talk) 13:57, 14 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Noted. Ae245 (talk) 14:04, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Refs for infobox figures
Hi, I was going to self-revert anyway actually, as the refs didn't look right there. The figures need a source though, so where should it be placed? Cheers &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 23:13, 21 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Sorry about that, but that's why we avoid adding ref's in info boxes, that should be with the statistics lower down on the page. Govvy (talk) 23:17, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Yeah, there is a career statistics section, but it's also uncited at the moment. Shame, but there we go. Thanks, anyway. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 23:20, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
 * For Spurs apps you can cite  Not sure about the other clubs, I did place one citation in the reflist pane, probably needs to be moved out. I am going to go watch Match of the Day now. Peace. Govvy (talk) 23:35, 21 December 2019 (UTC)