User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång/Archive 10

Says who?
Says who? you asked.

Here are few RS: FIRST SECOND THIRD Fourth FIFTH At this point, I don't wish to bore you with the multiple RS available on the internet. Caleb Ndu (talk) 18:59, 19 April 2024 (UTC)


 * @Gråbergs Gråa Sång I wish to inform you that I have reinstated the formal name on the article page Simon Ekpa. Best regards. Caleb Ndu (talk) 19:14, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @Caleb Ndu What makes this a "formal" name? Per your cites, it's just a name. If you look at other articles beside royalty and similar, there is very very seldom a "formal" name. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:58, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @Gråbergs Gråa Sång
 * The first two references cited were official athletic websites that covererd Ekpa even before he became a politician. The name "Ekpa Simon Njoku" in my own view highly seems to be his official name used on documents in Finland and Nigeria. That's why he was recognized by such long before he became popular. It is a conventional and formal name which needed to appear on the lead for clarity. I have seen your contraction on the lead in regards the formal name but again, it needs enhancement to include 'formal' or 'official '. Caleb Ndu (talk) 21:13, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @Caleb Ndu No, I think the other way around is more reasonable: . Compare Roque Olsen or Obama or Martin Sheen. I guess we could also remove Simon Ekpa from the lead, but IMO that would look weird. We can continue discussing this at article talk if necessary. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:31, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @Gråbergs Gråa Sång Great, this is a brilliant perception from you. I think we should leave the lead as it is right now. Your last modifications really improved the clarity. Not necessary to escalate in the talk page. Caleb Ndu (talk) 21:54, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @Gråbergs Gråa Sång Leave Simon Ekpa  in the lead but What I intend to do now is to remove Simon Ekpa  from the Infobox and replace with Ekpa Simon Njoku . How do you see it? Caleb Ndu (talk) 21:58, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @Caleb Ndu No, per Template:Infobox_person it's supposed to be "Common name of person" at the top. See again my 3 examples above. Btw, you never have to ping someone at their own talkpage, it has no extra effect. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:04, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @Gråbergs Gråa Sång
 * Ok. I won't make the edit. I have learned so much from you today. Please, if I may ask, what's ping concept on Wikipedia and how did I ping you? I mean, I didn't even know I was pinging you? Caleb Ndu (talk) 22:14, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Ping is the @hyper-linked user-name thing. When I do it here, like so, @Caleb Ndu, you get a WP:NOTIFICATION, little "red light" right? If I do it on an article talkpage, same thing. But when it's on my talkpage, I get the notification light just by you writing here. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:24, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Though I haven't fully grasped the context but with time, I will adapt. From what I understood, I should not use the "find user" button while on your talk page. You are my most engaging Mentor. Caleb Ndu (talk) 22:42, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah, "find user" is the relatively new way to ping, you used to have to type the code. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:54, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oh well. Hope springs eternal. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:05, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Question from Lisaready123GO (13:06, 21 April 2024)
Hello I want to create an anime comic with pictures and so on. so how do i start --Lisaready123GO (talk) 13:06, 21 April 2024 (UTC)


 * @Lisaready123GO Hello! Well, you pick a different website. Wikipedia is not the place to write fiction, though we do write about fiction. You can try asking for advice at Reference desk/Entertainment. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:23, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Question from Gaëlle Ibrahim on User:Gaëlle Ibrahim/sandbox (13:29, 23 April 2024)
Hello,

I created a sandbox page and clicked on "publish it". But i feel like the page has not been published. The name of the page is "Oui Management"- and I would like to make it public.

Thank you

Gaëlle --Gaëlle Ibrahim (talk) 13:29, 23 April 2024 (UTC)


 * @Gaëlle Ibrahim, Welcome to Wikipedia! In short, you are making the same mistakes most people in your situation are. If WP has an article on a company, we're not interested in what the company want to say about itself. Such an article is supposed be a summary of WP:RS independent of the company. If there is a WP article about this company, interested Wikipedians will look for, and find, and use, sources like this:
 * Being blunt, as currently written, there is no chance this article will be accepted. Some recommended reading: WP:PAID, WP:NCORP, WP:PUFFERY and WP:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. Hopefully this will save you some time and effort. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:00, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your response. I checked the pages you sent and I'm a bit confused. So if i disclose that i work with the company is it possible to be published ? I could also re write the article if you think the way it's written does not work. I gathered the information from models.com which is a reknown source in the modelling industry, where models are ranked and that defines also the agency which becomes ranked.
 * Let me know what would work
 * Thanks a lot x
 * Gaëlle Gaëlle Ibrahim (talk) 15:30, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @Gaëlle Ibrahim My point is that if an article about OM is accepted, you will have no final say on its content. Gérald Marie will likely be mentioned in it, sooner or later.
 * But yes, if you want to try working on this, you should put something like "I'm employed by Oui Management and I'm here to start an article about our company." on your userpage User:Gaëlle Ibrahim. Do that first.
 * After that, your first hurdle is WP:NCORP. No good independent sources, no WP-article, existing is not enough. Use these to write your article, see WP:TUTORIAL on how to add citations. Non-English sources are fine. WP:ABOUTSELF may be of interest.
 * When you think your draft is acceptable per WP:NCORP, you can submit it for review by adding this at the top: Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:50, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * And if you should succeed on this project, tell your boss from me you deserve a payraise. @Valereee want to add any advice? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:11, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the ping, GGS. I agree that an article about this business, if you can prove it to be notable, is likely to contain a section on Marie, and some mention of him will likely end up in the lead, as that's most of what comes up on a google search of "Oui Management" when filtered by news. The Wikipedia article is likely to be the first thing that pops up on any Google search, and his name could literally end up in the google knowledge panel. If I were running this business, I would not want that. Valereee (talk) 16:51, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @Valereee, thank you for that. And if you like, please tell the person I'm disagreeing with at that they're wrong. Or that I am, even if I don't see it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:50, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * He's not in the lead of Elite Model Management atm, but he's certainly mentioned. So is Oui Management. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:10, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Re: a recent counter-revision of yours
Yesterday, you undid a recent revision of mine on the Christopher Langan Wiki page that I think we should talk about: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christopher_Langan&action=history

Your justification was that the source given was in fact fine. But in reality, it's one man's interpretation of a single rather ambiguous sentence Chris said on Facebook. It's simply not the case that his interpretation of Chris' words is objectively correct.

The author wrote: "At times, his grandiose delusions reach epic proportions. He’s a 9/11 truther, but with a twist: not only does he believe Bush staged the terrorist attacks, he wrote that the motive was to distract the public from learning the “truth” about the CTMU."

His proof of this was that Chris Langan had said the following on Facebook:

"The CTMU has already been "all over the news", mostly at the turn of the millennium (just as promised); then professed Christian GW Bush and his decidedly non-Christian neocon vultures did everything they could to distract everyone by immediately staging 9/11, passing the PATRIOT Act, and invading Iraq and Afghanistan, thus immersing us in these last few years of Middle Eastern bloodshed[...]".

In this context, "did everything they could to" does not necessarily imply that "distracting the public from learning about the CTMU" was a deliberate motive of theirs in "staging 9/11". I asked chatGPT whether it thought the phrasing was clear, and it agreed it was ambiguous. Dylancatlow1 (talk) 14:41, 24 April 2024 (UTC)


 * The article has a talkpage, take this there. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:50, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Alright, I'll just copy what I have here into another thread. Dylancatlow1 (talk) 15:08, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Already done. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:09, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Ekpa
You reverted my edit on Simon Ekpa per talk page discussion. I submitted my own opinion over 48 hours ago and there was no counter from you. TBH, I assumed the subject matter has been resolved provided my constructive contributions to state that Ekpa is the Prime Minister of the Biafra Republic Government in Exile in Wiki-voice and not Leader. I think we all should go for Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard or what do you want think? Fugabus (talk) 18:34, 24 April 2024 (UTC)


 * No objection. You can also just WP:APPNOTE there if you think that's better. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:57, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @Fugabus, I don’t want to assume bad faith but do you have a conflict of interest with Simon Ekpa? Why are you so invested on that page? Best, Reading Beans  01:49, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @Reading Beans Apparently it's just a coincidence: User_talk:Fugabus, . WP:SPA, yes, WP:ADVOCACY, well I think so. But not a discussion to be had on my talkpage. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 05:19, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Ah! Nice! They denied. Ain’t pressuring. But I think that this is too obvious. Best, Reading Beans  08:08, 25 April 2024 (UTC)  Reading Beans  08:08, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Declaration of Simon Ekpa wanted
You added the declaration of Ekpa wanted but didn't add his reaction to that found here 1  2.  I think that would balance the Wikipedia coverage. Fugabus (talk) 22:52, 25 April 2024 (UTC)


 * The place to start discussing an article issue is the article talkpage. Added. And if you're going to add refs in WP-articles, consider WP:BAREURL and WP:REFNAME. In this case, the ref was already used in the article, and it's easy to add a named ref both with source editor and visual editor, whichever you prefer using. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 04:46, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Jack Antonoff
Hi. I work for musician Jack Antonoff. You previously made some changes in response to my post at BLPN. I requested a few other corrections/changes here and was hoping you might have time to review them? Let me know and thanks for your efforts. Best regards. BaseballLover334 (talk) 20:20, 25 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Replied at article talk. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:00, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

You added the declaration of Ekpa wanted but didn't add his reaction to that found here 1  2. think that would balance the coverage. ~

Precious anniversary
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:33, 27 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:37, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Attention please
My attention has been drawn to your use of Advocacy editor to qualify and probably blackmail me. Whether your intention is to scare me away or from Wikipedia or not, it is left with your conscience.

I have documented these most visible cases for future purposes and reference. 1. 2. 3. 4.

Your attitude have indicated that you have made up your mind to bully me on Wikipedia. I may nevertheless be wrong but attitudes suggests that.

I don't know how you came about these frivolous accusations and assertions of yours of me being a WP:ADVOCACY editor. I wish not to make this a case but you continue to push me. I consider it offensive whenever you isolate me with that term. What prompted me to be added in that category of Wikipedia editors? What are your evidences if you are called up on Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents? I mean, how did I fall into a Advocacy editor? It is just like me calling you Conflict of interest editor out of emotions. I don't wish for this notice to you to be long until I hear your reply. Thanks. 10:28, 28 April 2024 (UTC) Fugabus (talk) 10:28, 28 April 2024 (UTC)


 * You know about WP:SPA already, and that is part of it. This and this  is another part, but of course, inconclusive. I consider you a WP:ADVOCACY editor based on your edit history. I'm not the only one: Do you think "promote a person's or organization's beliefs or agendas" is a reasonable view of your edits? ANI is rarely pleasant, but constructive results can come of it.
 * Ping @DougWeller@Bbb23@EvergreenFir@LegalSmeagolian if you wish to comment. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:47, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Btw, your diffs 3 & 4 seems to be about the same comment. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:57, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
 * And again, make an effort when you add refs per WP:BAREURL, please. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:31, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
 * And about this edit you made on my talkpage, see WP:REDACT. If you want to strike through your statement, there is instruction in that link on how to do that. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:30, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
 * All my edits are supported by RS and not my personal opinions. I don't know why you have chosen to bite me. I edit just like you do. We are all Wikimedians and you were once new like me, if you were scared away like you do to me, would you stay up to this 15 years? Always correct me and not bite me. I wholeheartedly appreciate your correction on the Bare URLs and I applied it here.
 * My attention has been drawn to the socking trends and I believe that's the reason for your suspicious attitude. All editors and Administrators you pinged are welcomed to monitor me and do the needful when necessary and again please. Your good work in keeping Wikipedia safe is seen. I sincerely apologize for the editing mistake made while trying to reply. You may wish to check this out on WP:BLP Noticeboard Thanks
 * Sincerely,
 * Fugabus (talk) 14:35, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Very well. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:39, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Fugabus with all due respect, if this is still about the Biafra Prime Minister, I think it is best to drop your opposition to the inclusion of "self-elected" as consensus suggests that it should be included. Until something changes I think there is a WP:SNOW chance of it being changed, so it is best to probably focus on other things on this site if possible. LegalSmeagolian (talk) 01:03, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @LegalSmeagolian
 * Worry less about our argument Mentor. We resolved it on addition of "Prime Minister" but still have problems with having full access to Kuvalehti report which I have subscribed to. We will resolve also the issue of self-declared as well with time. «fjuːgəbʌs» (talk) 00:37, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Signature
Have you ever thought of adding Ekpa's signature to his article page? How do you add it? There are publicly available signatures of him. IMO, thought it should be there because other notable pages like Donald Trump, Rihanna, Barack Obama has them. Can there be any copyright issues there? Fugabus (talk) 00:22, 2 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Never tried adding a signature, some guidance at Signatures of living persons. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 04:25, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I think I found this his signature on the press release on Yle per what Signatures of living persons says and here from his X directly. I will look into how other notable pages got theirs added. «fjuːgəbʌs» (talk) 15:14, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

WikiProject:Biafra
I intend to propose WikiProject Biafra on WikiProject to enable interested editors like you to expand the scope collaboratively. I know you are of interest per your edits on Biafra stuffs like Simon Ekpa Best, «fjuːgəbʌs» (talk) 18:56, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

That thanks
Finger slipped! Doug Weller talk 17:59, 24 April 2024 (UTC)


 * @Doug Weller Extend-protect the article affected for a year and I'll forgive you (rfpp turned me down). Or add your view in the current discussion at . ;-) Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:08, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Let me know if disruptive editing occurs again or if you suspect a sock. I’d rather wait until that given you were turned down. I probably would have protected. Doug Weller  talk 20:25, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @Doug Weller, hi again. Per current ongoings on that article and talkpage, I'd like extended protection, or the very WP:ADVOCACY-editor page-blocked or just blocked. If you feel like casting an admin eye on this, please do, IMO we're absolutely in disruptive territory. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:53, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I might fully protect the article if problems continue.We rarely protect talk pages and I don’t see IP disruption. Doug Weller  talk 19:31, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @Doug Weller If you feel like it, see if there's a disruptive editor editing the article and debating everybody at Talk:Simon_Ekpa. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:51, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * That might actually have sorted itself out, or maybe people just went to sleep. Fingers crossed. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 04:56, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Hopefully it has. Doug Weller  talk 08:02, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Khalil Kain Bio
Please stop removing edits from Khalil’s page. These are edits being made by his family. For too many years now these edits have been incorrect especially relating to his family life. Leave us be. Thank you. 73.80.66.109 (talk) 23:13, 7 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Then read WP:COI and WP:BLP and stop editing the article directly, WP is not your social media. You can suggest changes at Talk:Khalil Kain, with WP:RS that supports them. If it helps, one of the reasons WP demands cited sources for facts about living people, is that while you say "made by his family", there is no easy way for people to know if that's right or if you're here to prank him. So, read the policies, stop editing the article and discuss at the article talkpage. Note that "names of children" will probably not be included per WP:BLPNAME, but sources matter. "Number of children" may be ok, but again, decent source needed. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 05:10, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I liked Renaissance Man, btw, it had some fun Shakespeare in it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 05:55, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

ANI for Talk:Yasuke
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Chaotıċ Enby  (talk · contribs) 16:18, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Madam La Compt
I feel guilty saying I was going to use one CITESTYLE in my next article (Madam La Compt), but it's turned into a crazy multi-generalization biography and I know that there are going to be a lot of rps. Just adding in the rps for two books I have in there now - that I just realized are going to need a lot of rps - it going to look like a pretty field of butterflies (that's what each rp looks like to me). Anyway, I am going the sfn route for this one, but I learned with Lillie Rosa Minoka-Hill that it looks much better with one style when there aren't too many rps. Sorry.–CaroleHenson (talk) 18:01, 18 May 2024 (UTC)