User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång/Archive 8

Question from Grandmother6 (19:35, 30 December 2022)
Hello, I just discovered that the photograph attached to my wikipedia page is not me. How do I delete this photo? How do I add a real photo of me? --Grandmother6 (talk) 19:35, 30 December 2022 (UTC)


 * @Grandmother6 Hello! Which article are we talking about? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:38, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Paula Fass Grandmother6 (talk) 19:41, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Paula Fass by David Shankbone.jpg by David Shankbone]]
 * @Grandmother6 Ok. I've removed it for now per your word. We'll see if anyone objects. Ping to photographer @David Shankbone if you wish to comment.
 * I looked at the picture at and I can't say for certain that the one I removed is not the same person.
 * On contributing a new image. WP, and the sister-site we keep most images on, Commons, are both very careful about copyright, so we can't use a pic of you just because it's online. But if you want, you can "donate" one. Here's how:
 * For simplicity, choose a previously unpublished anywhere picture. If it's a selfie, you can then upload it with the process that starts here.
 * If someone else took it, they should upload it themselves.
 * It is possible to release previously published pictures under an acceptable license, but more bureaucracy is involved, you can read about that here.
 * If you upload a new picture, you can tell me here, and I'll add it to the article. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:13, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for removing this photo. I will supply another according to your guidelines. Grandmother6 (talk) 00:09, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
 * New image has been uploaded on Commons and added to article, but the Commons image may be deleted per discussion at . Time will tell. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:27, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
 * And time told that the new image was a-ok. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:56, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

Question from Comegys7 (18:15, 5 January 2023)
Good day, Mentor. I would like to add information to an existing article on Frankie Faison. I would like to add information to his filmography. --Comegys7 (talk) 18:15, 5 January 2023 (UTC)


 * @Comegys7, welcome to Wikipedia! Hope you'll like it, it's a very special place. I recommend WP:TUTORIAL, WP:BLP and WP:BEBOLD. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:22, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Hej!
Så, jag hörde att du kommer från Sverige. Jag ville prata med dig eftersom jag älskar språk så mycket, och svenska är mitt andra språk! Ursäkt om det är inte så bra, rätta mig. Zaxalightning2 (talk) 19:04, 9 January 2023 (UTC)


 * @Zaxalightning2 Hallå där! Hoppas du kommer att trivas på Wikipedia, det är en mycket speciell plats. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:11, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Oroa dig inte, jag har alltid tyckt så! Lärare måste förstå oss bättre. Zaxalightning2 (talk) 19:14, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Oops
Hi, I accidentally stepped on your toes a bit on Islam and deleted the captioned image that you'd just improved the caption for. From a page layout perspective, that image was pretty undue for the few lines on the related subject: visually it was also overlapping with the next section and causing display issues. I'm open to keeping it if others think it is valuable, but from a purely structural perspective, it was a bit of a problem for the page, and images do tend to only accompany decently sized sections. Iskandar323 (talk) 11:01, 20 January 2023 (UTC)


 * @Iskandar323 I have no problem with removing it. It seems that with the new standard skin, which I'm trying to live with atm, we lost a little image space everywhere, that's my impression anyway. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:21, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Besides, you also solved my problem with if it was a portrait or a depiction, could have been either. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:27, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

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 * I know, I listed it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:04, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

February 2023
Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Hao Li. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Repeated vandalism may result in the loss of editing privileges. Thank you. wizzito &#124;  say hello!  23:46, 9 February 2023 (UTC)


 * @Wizzito, see WP:VANDALISM and explain yourself better, bring the diff(s) you claim is WP:VANDALISM. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:35, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I never even posted that. That's an IP pretending to be me: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Gr%C3%A5bergs_Gr%C3%A5a_S%C3%A5ng&diff=prev&oldid=1138489264 wizzito  &#124;  say hello!  19:58, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm guessing it was (same range), who was mad at me reverting his edit on Deuterium (which was by mistake)  wizzito  &#124;  say hello!  20:01, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
 * @Wizzito O-kay. That's unusual, at least on my talkpage. Thanks for replying and sorry for bothering you. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:18, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Question :)
Hi Gråbergs - about the reverted edit on the Esra Bilgiç page - if I include the link to the offending original tweet itself, would we be able to put my inclusion back in? I think it's very important to have that context, especially since the discussion was brought up again in an Urdu-language paper recently. The original tweet was one of anti-Syrian refugee propaganda, which also included anti hashtags against Afghan refugees and refugees in general. Thanks for any input....Rosewatergul (talk) 17:51, 11 February 2023 (UTC)


 * @Rosewatergul, hello again. In WP-land, what makes the tweet-thing have some interest in the EB article is that Dawn (newspaper) wrote about it/made the connection (and even with that source, which appears to be a decent one as these things go, someone could argue removal per WP:PROPORTION). You think Syria is important here, but Dawn didn't. The offending original tweet doesn't help per WP:OR, see also WP:BLPSPS. This is my take, feel free to ask others. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:33, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

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Question from OGNEKO30 (18:42, 18 February 2023)
how do I create my own article? --OGNEKO30 (talk) 18:42, 18 February 2023 (UTC)


 * @OGNEKO30, here is some reading material:WP:TUTORIAL, WP:BACKWARD, WP:YFA and, if it applies, An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. Good luck! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:07, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Isaac Abarbanel page gravestone
Benjamin Ashburn suggested I write. Why did you choose to use that photo of the Abarbanel gravestone. The photo I sent was clearer. And why not say an Abarbanel descendant took the photo and notified us that his gravesite was no longer unknown. Abarbaneledit (talk) 02:47, 20 February 2023 (UTC)


 * @Abarbaneledit, I've replied at Talk:Isaac_Abarbanel. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:23, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

File history
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 * I have sent no photos. Please keep discussion at the article talkpage. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:07, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Photo of Gravestone
I just uploaded a better photo than the ones you sent.


 * Putting a comment here for technical reasons. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:28, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Signature missing?
In Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia Signpost/2023-02-20/In the media? Btw, Meyers Konversations-Lexikon won't have prolems with incomplete entry on Hitler, last edition was in 1890... Or 1984, I got confused. So that particular problem should be avoided, either way :) Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 04:24, 23 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Sign fixed. Can't remember the name of the encyclopedia I looked in. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:44, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Your country has a Wikipedia-word
@Jenhawk777@Gareth Griffith-Jones@Xover@Bishonen@Russ Woodroofe

See here, very nice maps if you scroll down. They do US states as well, though I wonder if they misspelled Florida's and dropped -er at the end. Just a hypothesis. Finland's word is "Sauna", that's comforting. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:59, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Dora Diamant's birth year
The link in footnote 1 to the Kafka Museum says 1903. I googled "Dora Diamant birth date," and most of the hits said 1898. Kathi Diamant's book says 1902 on the back of the title page but 1898 in the text at page 4. I have no idea when she was born, but perhaps someone has an authoritative source. I will put this comment on her Talk page. Maurice Magnus (talk) 16:07, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

I just replied to you on Dora Diamant's talk page, but I inadvertently did not click [reply]. Therefore, I don't know whether you will receive an email indicating that I replied. That's why I'm writing this now. Maurice Magnus (talk) 18:54, 1 March 2023 (UTC)


 * @Maurice Magnus Ping worked, and I'm on WP:SUBSCRIBE there anyway. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:00, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

This might interest you: [] Maurice Magnus (talk) 18:56, 1 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I saw that. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:02, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

I added a footnote about Dora's date of birth. See what you think. Maurice Magnus (talk) 01:59, 6 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Interesting, I tweaked the Dora Diamant article a little. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:06, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Concern regarding Draft:Humor and religion
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 * Thanks, bot. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:37, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Some refreshment


— DaxServer (t · m · c) has given you a cup of coffee, for taking the time to weather a dispute. Thanks for staying calm and civil! Coffee promotes WikiLove and hopefully this has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a coffee, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or someone putting up with some stick at this time. Enjoy!

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Spread the lovely, warm, bitter goodness of coffee by adding {{subst:WikiCoffee}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

— DaxServer (t · m · c) 20:31, 16 March 2023 (UTC)


 * I'm actually going to bed soon, but thanks! I think my impeccable calm may have cracked slightly, but what else are CT-topics for? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:51, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Question from CreweNufan (18:11, 22 March 2023)
Hi, I am trying to make my sandbox article sent to live? How do I do this?

Thanks Liam --CreweNufan (talk) 18:11, 22 March 2023 (UTC)


 * @CreweNufan Hello and welcome to Wikipedia! You can submit it for review, see "Ready!" At So you made a userspace draft. However, in it's current shape it will be declined. WP:N is your first hurdle, and you need to add these references correctly per WP:TUTORIAL. The only current ref in the article atm is, well, empty. WikiProject Football may be of interest to you. I also recommend WP:BACKWARD. Hope this helps. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:41, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I do not appreciate the aggression and threatening behaviour from your members. I am trying to learn how to use.  We have not been made very welcome at all.  I have screenshots.  I would appreciate help from your community not aggression and no help.
 * This is not an easy website to use and help is needed.
 * Please come back to me about your member. CreweNufan (talk) 22:42, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * You are welcome to participate at Articles for deletion/AFC Crewe, it has links to how deletion discussions work. For new editors, starting a new article often fails per WP:N. Understand this: a WP-article is supposed to be, almost exclusively, a summary of WP:RS independent of the subject. If there are no or very few/crappy independent sources, there will be no article. But sources may appear with time, see for example Articles for deletion/Meghan Markle. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:52, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * That isn't clear to me unfortunately. I have provided links to the sources but your member just replied with aggression.  It is VERY CLEAR that I have no idea about this so just wanted some help.  Maybe a template?  Is there one around?  but I do not want every time I write something, someone deletes. CreweNufan (talk) 22:55, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Why has it now been marked for deletion? I need help! It is that simple. You were marked as my tutor and everyone is against us.  Like this is some special club.  What links do you want?  This is so frustrating.  Links exist.  We have managed to do some much in real life and this seems to be the hardest part.  I have never experienced something like this ever.  People want and need help! CreweNufan (talk) 23:03, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Read WP:N, for a start. That the club exists is not enough. If you can't provide the sources demanded at WP:N, there will be no WP-article. www.nufan.co.uk doesn't help, or other WP:ABOUTSELF sources. YES, it's quite difficult to make a WP-article without any previous WP-experience, and sometimes impossible because WP:N. So it is better to get some WP-experience first, then maybe try to make an article.
 * Wikipedia is not interested in what the club wants to say about itself, that is what their websites and social media are for. WP wants to know what, say, The Guardian says about it.
 * I don't think the article will be kept (WP:N again), but the Articles for deletion/AFC Crewe discussion will be open for several days, and consensus will be what it will be. What can save the article are good, independent WP:RS. If there are no more to be found atm, no article. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 23:13, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I will do that, leave it as it is then and we will have to grow it as we get more coverage. What's there is all done by your member. CreweNufan (talk) 23:16, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Now put in article-space by @Fr ser (AFC Crewe). Sourcing is currently very weak and deletion quite possible, but we'll see what happens. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:14, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Mandel
Yes, it's getting a bit off-topic at AE, but you do deserve a reply. You wrote:


 * "...it was not something she had planned (as far as we know), more of a less disagreeable option (compared to people seeing her on social media with her girlfriend but reading on WP that she was married). Off topic for this discussion, but perhaps not reprehensible thinking."

She actually tried to get her marriage status described on Wikipedia but failed, so she got herself interviewed in RS for the express purpose of doing that. It wasn't something she was hiding:


 * "So my Wikipedia entry was essentially a time capsule. It bothered me that it was no longer accurate, but also it was kind of awkward for my girlfriend. I didn’t love that if her friends looked me up, they’d think she was dating a married woman. I needed an interview, and I knew it would be hard for my publicists to make a story happen in the last week before Christmas, so I thought, “maybe I’ll try Twitter?”"

That's my understanding of the issue. She wanted her divorce confirmed here, and she did that because of her girlfriend. Both facts are important. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 19:38, 25 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that was the comment I was thinking about. And both her divorce and her girlfriend are in the article, has been since last year, and I never had a problem with that. Still doesn't need an LGBT-category, remains my opinion. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:14, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Fwiw, per only comment at Talk:Emily St. John Mandel/Archive 1 she (we assume) never asked "add girlfriend". Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:22, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
 * True, but she does not dictate content here. We add and delete according to RS, even regardless of her wishes. She has a COI. In some minor situations, we sometimes acquiesce to the subject's wishes, but that is our judgment call and our decision, not theirs. She has mentioned her girlfriend in RS, so we added it, and she has not objected. She has never hidden the fact she has a girlfriend.
 * I'm an inclusionist, so as far as the category goes, I tend in that direction, but if there was a consensus against it, I would bow to the consensus. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 20:29, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Like I said, I have no problem with having it in the article, it's what I expect in a BLP when the sources are decent. On BLP:s, my stance tends to be "when in doubt, exclude." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:38, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Judd Hamilton
Hi, thank you for posting the info about Judd Hamilton on the Articles for deletion/Judd Hamilton (2nd nomination) page. It gave me info to prove that he was a member of two notable bands, The Marketts and The T-Bones which further prove notability. I couldn't open the second link though. I hope that someone has the sense to see this. Good on you for taking the time to do research. It's sometimes a rarity these days. Karl Twist (talk) 11:12, 12 January 2023 (UTC)


 * @Karl Twist It seems the second link is the same as, which I just noticed under "Further reading". WP:N-wise, it probably matters least. If I find anything useful, I'll post it.
 * I understand that he's pissed off, he's not the first, but the nomination is in good faith so it is what it is.
 * Last year a lady asked at the Teahouse if someone could please tell her what happened to her husbands WP-article. Articles for deletion/Zachary "Skeeter" Reece is what happened, no mystery there. However, we started talking, and after me digging in the WP-library, getting help from WP:RX, and her mailing me pics of articles she had in a scrapbook (!), I recreated Skeeter Reece, which I'm rather pleased with. She also uploaded a couple of her own images, which led to a bit of trouble on Commons since for some reason they weren't taken with a smartphone, but it worked itself out. She then hunted down a photographer who had taken pics in the 90:s and made him release them on Commons. It was great fun. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:56, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for following up. I'll post a better reply later. Yeah, Mr. Hamilton being told he doesn't exist. I guess that would push him the edge. Hey, I applaud your resourcefulness. hey good on you for re-creating the article. Karl Twist (talk) Karl Twist (talk) 12:20, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi again, what you said in your reply: 11:56, 12 January 2023 just goes to show what doesn't get picked up in a Google search. Sadly with some folk, they have this "If it's not in Google, it doesn't exist" mentality. You proved that with a bit of extra work, valuable info has come forth and the article (Skeeter Reece) would be re-created. It's a win-win situation for all and all down to your having the passion and desire to do that bit extra. Kudos to you for that! That's the kind of thing we need more of. Cheers Karl Twist (talk) 04:06, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi again in April, could you please keep an eye on the Judd Hamilton page just incase someone may be a bit heavy handed *wink*. I'm not saying that anything wrong happening yet but sometimes a deletion nominator may not be the best person to improve an article. Cheers Karl Twist (talk) 08:14, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

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Question from Sachinupadh1234 (04:30, 16 April 2023)
Hello, i want to create a page --Sachinupadh1234 (talk) 04:30, 16 April 2023 (UTC)


 * @Sachinupadh1234, hello and welcome to Wikipedia. I see you have started Draft:KARUNANIDHAN BHAWAN SEVA TRUST. See WP:BACKWARD for what is necessary to make an acceptable WP-article. IF you have the sources demanded there, see WP:TUTORIAL on how to add references correctly, this is ESSENTIAL. If the sources don't exist, you can't make a WP-article about that subject. An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing may be of interest to you. Good luck! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:34, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Buddhism and Humor
Hi. I hope you like my contribution to your draft which I stumbled across. I'm afraid I'm not so good with citation formats. In particular references to the Buddhist scriptures normally take the form "Digha Nikaya iii.35" The numbers are references to the texts themselves, being the volume and page number of the Pali which then appear in the published translations (so they should not be preceded by "pp" but neither should they be in italics). This makes it is easier for most people to look for as it doesn't depend on their using a specific translation. Good luck with the other sections! If you remain stuck perhaps this could become a standalone article some time. Shantavira|feed me 11:58, 16 April 2023 (UTC)


 * @Shantavira Thanks for looking at my draft! My ignorance about Buddhism is monumental, so I'm glad someone is interested in improving it. I use WP:REFTOOLBAR for cites, it works fairly well. You should add page numbers when you cite something like The Buddha Smiles.
 * Ṭhānissaro Bhikkhu has a WP-article, so unless someone else objects, I'll assume he's an ok source, though of course writing from inside Buddhism (and I wonder why I can't find an isbn). I have no idea if his views are more or less Buddhist mainstream or represents a smaller group. Is in-text attribution reasonable here ("according to Ṭhānissaro Bhikkhu" etc)?
 * Some of what you've added seems to be WP:RSPSCRIPTURE sources, like Dīgha Nikāya, and that's not how a WP-article like this should be written. We want academics writing about these texts/Buddhist beliefs, not editor's take on the texts themselves. Stuff like "the Tipitaka contains many examples. The texts are also rich in puns that are often lost in translation." can't be sourced to the text itself, WP needs an academic saying it, pretty much. When I started The Bible and humor, it was clear that sources pointed out that it's very difficult to say if what we may read as humor today was intended as humor by the authors all those years ago. We need academic interpretation. Ping to @Jenhawk777 if you feel like commenting. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:27, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the feedback. I'll take another look at it in due course. Shantavira|feed me 08:08, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

April songs
Easter left strong impressions, - I was too busy to wish you a happy one. But it's a long season, so hopefully not too late ;) -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:30, 12 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you, Gerda! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:31, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
 * My story today, Messiah (Handel), was my first dip into the FA ocean, thanks to great colleagues. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:08, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Never bathed there. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:12, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Sometimes it's chilly. You could run a peer review for the Oceanides, to find out! - Today is the 80th birthday of John Eliot Gardiner. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:08, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Women scientists on Wikipedia
You may be interested in "The British physicist making women scientists visible online", published on 20 April on sites including Phys Org and Yahoo News.--Ipigott (talk) 10:26, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Question from Boosquet (14:49, 25 April 2023)
Hi! I have 2 questions: 1. I created a draft article that I submitted for review. An editor asked some questions, I answered those questions and made some edits and submitted the draft again, but I haven't heard back in a couple of days. 2. Some references links I used Saud the URL is wrong (even though I can click on them and they seem valid). It says the error is "cite".

Thanks ! --Boosquet (talk) 14:49, 25 April 2023 (UTC)


 * @Boosquet, assuming it's Draft:Isabelle Freidheim. Reviews are made by volunteers in no particular order, like the template says, "This may take 4 months or more". DoubleGrazing may feel they've done their bit and moved on to something else, leaveing the next review to someone else.
 * Do you mean the "External link in |website=" that you see in the Reference section? For example, in your current ref [63], change "|website=https://seattlereports.com/" to "|website=seattlereports.com".
 * Unasked advice: Your draft has WP:TOOMANYREFS and WP:EL problems. I can't tell if you have any WP:GNG sources in it or not, and no wish to search for them in all those refs.
 * Stuff like
 * Her husband Scott Freidheim was CEO of private equity firm Investcorp in Europe, CEO of CDI Corp, Chairman of ettain group and is a member of the World Economic Forum. He was a key executive at Lehman Brothers until its collapse in 2008. He is a former board member of Spelman College and is a board member of the board of trustees of the United States Olympic and Paralympic Foundation. He is a past board member of the Institute of International Education, which administers the Fulbright scholarship, and the Scholar Rescue Fund within the IIE.
 * should be shortened to
 * She is married to American businessman Scott Freidheim. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:01, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah, I understand, thank you! That’s helpful.
 * Also do you know why my other draft was published right away but this one is subject to review? Boosquet (talk) 19:45, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
 * @Boosquet, Athena SPACs? Because you started it as an article, not as a draft. When you started Draft:Isabelle Freidheim, you were not WP:AUTOCONFIRMed, so you had to start it as a draft, but by the time you started Athena, you had the "right". However, it's recommended that new users work from drafts anyway, since an article in article-space (drafts are in "draft-space") is supposed to "float" from the second you hit "publish." With drafts, you can take your time, even go to sleep. I always start my articles as drafts. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:02, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Notifications
I have 14 notifications from wikipedia, and even if I read what they are, the number is still on my screen and only grows

Oh also I like to read J.R.R. Tolkein as well. The Capitalist forever (talk) 19:33, 25 April 2023 (UTC)


 * @The Capitalist forever Hi! I only edit on my laptop, so I may not see stuff like you do. If you use the "desktop" view on your device, and click/tap the notification icon, you should see a "mark all as read" "button." Does that help? You should also see little clickable blue dots for individual notifications.Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:34, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much! It worked. Is desktop better for editing as well? I have an account on a device no one has probably used ever to edit on Wikipedia. A Playstation Vita -web browser. Thanks for the good advice!The Capitalist forever (talk) 19:56, 25 April 2023 (UTC)


 * @The Capitalist forever I think you can do more stuff, but since I almost never edit from my phone (and then I absolutely use desktop since it looks like laptop), I'm not the one to ask about "better." User:Cullen328/Smartphone editing may be of help, it's not brand new though. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:09, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Ok thanks. I have talked to Cullen328 recently. He's a nice man. — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Capitalist forever (talk • contribs) 20:40, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you
Hello,

I just wanted to thank you for your kind words of encouragement on my Talk page. I can see from your Talk page that you are obviously a very accomplished and busy Wikipedian, so I'm impressed that you would take the time to pay attention to a little old newbie like me. I can only hope that, someday, my Talk page might be as full and interesting as yours. And, one last comment: I applaud you for the idea of an article on "Shatner pause." Best wishes to you in that noble endeavor!

Yesthatbruce (talk) 01:00, 27 April 2023 (UTC)


 * @Yesthatbruce Again, welcome! I think the idea came when I was working on Shakespeare and Star Trek. Wikipedia is a very special place, hope you'll like it! I don't know what you're interested in, but scrolling through Dashboard can give a sort of overview of "what's going on". Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:35, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Precious anniversary
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:46, 27 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you, Gerda! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:56, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Question from Jumping monk (05:09, 2 May 2023)
Hello Sang

I trust you are well.

I wrote an article on Dr Rohit Singh Malan. Could you go over it and suggest changes? I shall be grateful.

Regards --Jumping monk (talk) 05:09, 2 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @Jumping monk Hello! I checked the sources on User:Jumping monk (that is your WP:USERPAGE btw), and afaict, none of them meet the demands of WP:N, WP:s rule for "should WP have an article about...". They are all WP:ABOUTSELF like linkedin, YT or quora or from subject's school/employer. If that is the best sources available atm, this will not be accepted as a WP-article. To make one example, content like "Other activities" is only interesting on WP in you can source it to, say, The Telegraph or The Times of India.
 * Autobiography may be of interest. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:32, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
 * By the way, if you are waiting for that page to be automatically reviewed/accepted at some point, that's not how it works, see So_you_made_a_userspace_draft (and the rest of that page). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:48, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

A bit more about the "Minding the Campus" piece
I do consider the author's characterization of me to be a form of transphobic off-Wiki harassment. Not yet sure if I will be pursuing sanctions against the associated user account or not, but it's a reason why I do not want it highlighted. Knowing that, if you would like to self-revert your comment on the article talk page, please feel free to remove my reply. You may not be aware of how often those of us who enforce the consensus on race and intelligence are targeted by off-Wiki harassment, but it is a serious impediment to the proper functioning of the encyclopedia in this particular fringe area. I ask that you take this into consideration. Generalrelative (talk) 17:21, 3 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @Generalrelative My knee-jerk reaction go the other way, I think opinions from different quarters deserve this kind of coverage, doing otherwise makes me think white-washing/criticism-hiding. That the author has also edited WP is irrelevant, template-wise. But I can understand it's more personal for you, so I'll go WP:DONTBEADICK on this. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:38, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Much appreciated. Generalrelative (talk) 19:03, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Just Finished
Hello, thanks for your help on the article I have been drafting on Dewar's Candy Shop. I just finished and I would like know if it is good enough to be submitted or if I need to add to it. Also, if you any other heading ideas instead of Achievments in the article, please let me know. Thank you so much! (Note:This is my first article) The Capitalist forever (talk) 06:10, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much for taking time out of your day to improve my article! I greatly appreciate it!The Capitalist forever (talk) 07:35, 18 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @The Capitalist forever Hello and good work! I made some WP:BOLD changes. In the environment of (for good reason) suspicious Wikipedians, an article like this should be careful to avoid the appearance of WP:PROMO/MOS:PUFFERY. As an example, see the afd of an article of mine:Articles for deletion/Christoph Steidl Porenta. You can't really help editors wondering if you have a WP:COI when you make an article like this, but on the whole, they will be civil about it.
 * I removed because despite the publisher, it was mostly an ad. But on the whole, good find and good work, this will afaict be accepted. You can skip the "submit" process and WP:MOVE it to article-space yourself, it's allowed, but since it's your first article, submitting is not wrong. Patience may be required. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:53, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Btw, my first article was Saturday Night Live parodies of Bill Clinton. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:55, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * One more thing: In the article-text, it's WP-style not to have spaces between citations, or between citation and preceding punctuation. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:58, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Also, seems to be a WP:BLOG. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:08, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

, Thank you so much for the advice! I appreciate your changes to the article. Anyway, on the spacing between inline citation, an editor who wasn't me did most of that. Source No. 6, I put in it because at the Teahouse, I was suggested to find independent reviews for the place. I'll go ahead and submit the article for review. Thank you again so much!! The Capitalist forever (talk) 15:55, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

, can I submit the draft (Which I have already done) and at the same time move it to an article space? If so, could you please do that for me if possible because I am quite confused by the WP:MOVE article. Sorry to bother so much. Thank you! The Capitalist forever ( talk ) 23:55, 18 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @The Capitalist forever Ok, things may not be as simple as I hoped. The instructions at WP:MOVE assumes you're on a laptop (per you're not) or in "desktop" view on your device. Adding to this, the instructions I pointed you to are also slightly outdated because WP:VECTOR2022, things don't look quite like they used to, except for the editors who kept things old-style by choice.
 * Can I move Draft:Dewar's Candy Shop to article-space now that you submitted it already? I'm actually not sure, never done exactly that. @Bishonen, hi! If I move the submitted Draft:Dewar's Candy Shop to article-space, will I break something somewhere? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:49, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

for extra information, My device is has mostly been in Desktop mode, except for when I read articles because navigation is easier on Mobile mode. The Capitalist forever ( talk ) 07:09, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Question from Arya7866 (17:35, 19 May 2023)
hiiiiiiii. How are you? --Arya7866 (talk) 17:35, 19 May 2023 (UTC)


 * good Strikethrough @Gråbergs Gråa Sång Arya7866 (talk) 17:36, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, Arya7866. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:42, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

I got information
, Hello again. I talked to Cullen328 and he said that it is possible to submit a draft for Afc and move it to article space. Bad news is that he said its bad form and not at all recommended to do. Besides that, I was curious if there is a section where I can search Templates for userboxes. For example, I would like to your userbox that says you enjoy the works of J.R.R. Tolkein, but when I copied your template, it didn't work. Anyway, where can I search up userbox titles? The Capitalist forever ( talk ) 05:55, 20 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @The Capitalist forever If you see a userbox you like somewhere, you can look at the wikitext of that page, see Help:Editing, and copypaste the code, for example, the Tolkien userbox is
 * On looking for userboxes, see WP:List of userboxes. See also WP:UBCR.
 * Btw, you never have to ping someone at their own talkpage, it has no extra effect. Also, per above thread, you don't seem to use the Help:Talk_pages in talkpage discussions, and it's pretty helpful, and it automaticaly WP:INDENT your talkpage comments. As you see there, you can also easily ping people with it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:30, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Btw, you never have to ping someone at their own talkpage, it has no extra effect. Also, per above thread, you don't seem to use the Help:Talk_pages in talkpage discussions, and it's pretty helpful, and it automaticaly WP:INDENT your talkpage comments. As you see there, you can also easily ping people with it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:30, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Ok, thank you so much for the answer/info! The Capitalist forever ( talk ) 06:40, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you again for helping me bring this article into fruition. I really appreciate it! The Capitalist forever ( talk ) 15:34, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Raegan Revord
I see you've done a lot of work on Draft:Raegan_Revord. I appreciate it, and hope the article finally gets moved to main space! (It was in my user space for a while a couple years or so ago.)

On a side note, from your user boxes, we seem to have a lot of common interests. Alden Loveshade (talk) 01:41, 22 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @Alden Loveshade Sometimes you have to wait for sources to catch up: Articles for deletion/Meghan Markle. Also, I think one aspect here is that WP:RS is more careful when they write about "kids". Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:32, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Concert regarding your revert of my rewording of the lead section of the Jai Shree Ram Page
You mentioned that my edit failed the Reliable sources and Wikipedia:Neutral point of view "Giving "equal validity" can create a false balance" tests. I disagree.

My edit was "The expression gained prominence in the late 20th century, being associated with Indian Hindu nationalist organisations like the Vishva Hindu Parishad (VHP), Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), and their allies. It was used as a means to increase the visibility of Hinduism in public spaces and was adopted as a rallying cry. However, it is worth noting that there have been claims of the slogan being used in instances of communal violence against people of other faiths." I do not know what failed the Reliable sources test as I neither added a new claim nor did I modify a source. Furthermore I do not understand how my edit failed the Wikipedia:Neutral point of view test as my edit did not give any false balance to any equal view. Even a cursory search can show that all my claims are easily verifiable through mainstream media articles in india Alexandria Bucephalous (talk) 06:14, 23 May 2023 (UTC)


 * WP:RS don't say "there have been claims", they say it happened. That's watering down, like changing battle cry to rallying cry. This is a discussion for the article talkpage though, so I'll move it there:Talk:Jai_Shri_Ram Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:06, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

FYI
. Feel free to ping me if there's more disruption on the article. Given the past history, I can't help but wonder if the IP knows something we don't, but if that's the case they'll have to use their words. -- Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 07:24, 24 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @Tamzin Thanks, that's what I was thinking too. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:34, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

User attacks
Hi Gråbergs Gråa Sång! I see you have also been on the receiving end of attacks from Unbiased6969, so I included one of the threads you participated in on the page "Personal attacks and aspersions from Unbiased6969" if you would like to participate.

PartyParrot42 (talk) 17:16, 27 May 2023 (UTC)


 * A user who puts "Unbiased" in their username would never do such a thing. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:33, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
 * And I see now that you're both blocked. Funny, that happened to another editor I discussed Nipper with. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:10, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Press coverage 2023
Hi Gråbergs Gråa Sång, just got a question regarding your edit to the Wikipedia:Press coverage 2023 page on 1 June 2023. I understand that the press coverage page is used to refer to Wikipedia as a whole rather than single Wikipedia pages. With the Stuff article on the Gloriavale Christian Community, where would be the best place to it? Just wanted to get your advice. Andykatib (talk) 00:49, 3 June 2023 (UTC)


 * @Andykatib IMO the place is Talk:Gloriavale Christian Community, where you also put it. Some press fits in both places, like . Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:06, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi Gråbergs, thanks very much for your advice. I agree that the Gloriavale talk page will be the best page to put that item. Have a good weekend and thanks for your time. Andykatib (talk) 01:55, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

A Squirrel and Ice Cream Cone for you!
Thanks for being the best Wikipedia editor I have ever met! The Capitalist forever ( talk ) 07:40, 6 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Hmm, did he find some Dewart's? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:45, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

I hope so haha! The Capitalist forever ( talk ) 07:47, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Pretty soon,I will be starting another article on another ice cream place called Creamistry. They seem to have alot of sources and they are a larger chain store amount-wise than Dewar's Ice Cream. What's special about them is that they make their ice cream right in front of you using very cold nitrogen which you can see and feel while standing in line for your food. Chemistry-Creamistry! The Capitalist forever ( talk ) 08:00, 6 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Looks promising. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:46, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

On that Dewar's Candy Shop article, I guess for the section on it being originally the Chocolate Shop, it was never mentioned in the SFGate reference, so SPECIFICO deleted it. I added it back with 2 sources supporting it. Just surprised that SPECIFICO didn't look at the other sources for the heading. Should they have been added previously like I just did to the Chocolate Shop fact? Thanks! The Capitalist forever ( talk ) 22:01, 7 June 2023 (UTC)


 * You'll have to ask them, people make mistakes. For future use, WP:LEADCITE may be of interest. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:34, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Adding image to Article Simon Ekpa
Hey my most esteemed editor,

Can you please consider adding image to the article yourself? The image has been deleted by admin Yan despite my possible best to add the image under Free license. I was even blocked for it. Gråberbs Gråa Sång So therefore, l think you can be of ultimate help in this regard by adding the image yourself. That Yle report of 2017 can serve as source since it's the most appropriate now. I won't like to bore you, so l stop here. Thanks. 1st Contributor (talk) 20:17, 25 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Did you read any of the info/linked info at your Commons talkpage, or my OP here: Talk:Simon_Ekpa?
 * Fwiw, I'm quite convinced whoever put the pic on flickr is one of the people who have tried to add it on Commons/WP. If that person actually is the copyright holder, they have been told what they can do. If they are not, they should stop wasting the community's time. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:26, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Some more reading: Commons:License laundering. Don't do that, it wastes time. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:40, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok. l respect your decision. Maybe, l will have to go do more research and see whether l will see the image on any other copyright free websites and l hope it will help as we improve Wikipedia together. What about me being blocked for what I don't know about? I was only trying to help. Thanks for giving me your time. I must appropriate ￼ 1st Contributor (talk) 22:32, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
 * From where I'm sitting, the best hope for WP to have a pic of Ekpa is someone taking a new one at some event or other, and then uploading that. Of course, if he's interested, he can upload a new selfie himself. People have done that before. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:45, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Malhun -Mal Hatun
Why did you remove " In popular culture" section from Malhun Hatun page? i am restoring it and telling you before reverting your edit Bluesapphire1999 (talk) 12:14, 27 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Because it's unneeded WP:POPCULTURE. Having it under See also is quite sufficient. Just because a historical person inspired a tv-series you like, it doesn't follow that the WP-article about the historical person HAVE TO have a popcult section, consider WP:PROPORTION. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:28, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * It is needed . every historical character person who has been portrayed has this section .you can check Bala Hatun page or Osman Ghazi page .@Gråbergs Gråa Sång Bluesapphire1999 (talk) 13:53, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * That's very incorrect. Also, if you bother to add these, make the effort to cite a WP:RS that could be arsed to notice. Otherwise, they'll be removed as uncited WP:FANCRUFT. This is not Fandom. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:22, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok i"ll provide Bluesapphire1999 (talk) 15:44, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I think you all have personal issue with Malhun Hatun 😂 Bluesapphire1999 (talk) 13:54, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I can't speak for others, but I've never met her. Consider that "you all" may want an article about history to be about history. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:27, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * No they donot want it to be a history. I"ll be happy to tell you that it is very childish but it is truth that these people are die hard fan of Bala hatun portrayed by Actress Ozge Torer and only beacuse she is so much beautifull. and as Yildiz Cagri Atiksoy portrayed Malhun, Bala's co wife so Malhun Character and actress faced unnecssary hate for a long period of time !!! This is the sick mentality that they cannot even respect a historical person. You know for a long period of time i wasn't able to even update the story plot of Malhun specially beacause of this 49.205.83.129 user.this person has a sick mind he even used to revert all edits on fandom and wikidata regarding Malhun.
 * Last but not the least you can even delete Fatma Hatun page and may or may not believe but it is in turkish records that Osman Gazi had only one documented daughter named fatma whose mother was Mal/Malhun hatun.
 * I am fed up of this situation and i usually donot stay where i am not respected . I will retire soon from this platform and hope you all do justice in your editing. enough
 * love and peace Bluesapphire1999 (talk) 15:52, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Player Profiles On NBA Players Pages
Go On LeBron Kobe Wade Giannis etc. and it has player profiles giving a description of their playing styles. I want yall to edit a profile on Kyrie Irving and ANthony Davis page since they are great players. JwillWiki454 (talk) 10:29, 29 June 2023 (UTC)


 * I see you've had replies at Teahouse and below. WP:TUTORIAL may be of help to you. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:06, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you
Many thanx for being someone I can always count on even when I neglect to ask ahead of time if it's okay (re: newbie advice on my talk page). You are a gem and I am lucky to call you friend. Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:14, 27 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Backatcha! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:44, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Btw, you said "It's really just part of the learning process." Add this, and we'll make them an expert in no time! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:56, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Bless you! And thank you for the next one as well. Jenhawk777 (talk) 15:21, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * One can always try. And thanks! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:09, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
 * DoublePlusBarnstar from me. Theheezy (talk) 10:02, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

Queries Regarding the article
Hi, Gråbergs Gråa Sång! I would like to get some suggestions on Wibool Piyawattanametha. I saw you have added failed verification statement on the education section. Since the website clearly mentions he is an alumni of that institution, I wonder why it failed to verify the statement. Furthermore, could you please provide some advice on how to make the article follow Wikipedia's policy and guidelines in order to publish it? I kindly request your response. Thank you. Aayushma Sharma (talk) 10:05, 7 July 2023 (UTC)


 * @Aayushma Sharma, Hi! Pretty much everybody you encounter on WP has WP as a hobby, and so tend to focus on what they please when they please: That said:
 * "Piyawattanametha completed his Bachelor of Electronics Engineering (Magna cum Laude) from the King Mongkut's Institute of Technology Ladkrabang, Bangkok, Thailand in 1994. "
 * This article is a WP:BLP and apart from that it seems you have a WP:COI, perhaps this is even an assignment of some kind. In short, everything you put in the article should be clearly supported by your ref and "completed his Bachelor of Electronics Engineering (Magna cum Laude) ... in 1994." is completely absent, all it says it that he's an alumni.
 * WP:When your boss tells you to edit Wikipedia and WP:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing may be of some help, maybe not. I have not tried to form an opinion on if the article meets the requirements of WP:GNG or WP:NACADEMIC, but if it doesn't, someone will probably notice at some point. IMO, stuff like "Senior Member Status" adds to the impression of resume/WP:PROMO, but I'm also pretty ignorant on these organizations. Good luck! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:56, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
 * WP:When your boss tells you to edit Wikipedia and WP:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing may be of some help, maybe not. I have not tried to form an opinion on if the article meets the requirements of WP:GNG or WP:NACADEMIC, but if it doesn't, someone will probably notice at some point. IMO, stuff like "Senior Member Status" adds to the impression of resume/WP:PROMO, but I'm also pretty ignorant on these organizations. Good luck! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:56, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Theo Stavropoulos


Hello, Gråbergs Gråa Sång. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Theo Stavropoulos".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. When you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. ✗ plicit  14:04, 19 July 2023 (UTC)


 * @Explicit, aren't we supposed to get a 5 month automatic warning on these? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:54, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Like User_talk:Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång/Archive_8. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:01, 19 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Generally, yes. While bot edits, like the ones made by in March and June, technically reset the timer, they are excluded as stated on Db-g13. Prior to deletion, the last edit by a human was made on January 19.  ✗  plicit  01:45, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Holocaust denial
Hi! I hope this message finds you well. Knowing that you are familiar with the Holocaust denial to some extent, I wanted to ask if you knew about any article that had content akin to Holocaust denial per country. The closest subject that I know of is Antisemitism in Venezuela, although it has differences from Holocaust denialism and I want to avoid original research. Best wishes, NoonIcarus (talk) 11:00, 23 July 2023 (UTC)


 * @NoonIcarus Perhaps Category:Holocaust denial by country and Category:Holocaust deniers by nationality can be of some inspiration? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:21, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
 * If this is about Trapiello, connects him to antisemitism. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:36, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Trapiello is currently categorized under Holocaust deniers and I might consider starting a subcategory later on. For the time being, I'll add the information in the Antisemitism article. Thank you very much for the sources and your time, I'll let you know if I come across further questions. --NoonIcarus (talk) 11:41, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Question from Beautifulscarlet (14:36, 1 July 2023)
Hi Gråbergs Gråa Sång, just produced this page about the inventor Richard J Appleton, I had two references and it got rejected so I've added three more. Should I re submit or not? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Richard_J_Appleton --Beautifulscarlet (talk) 14:36, 1 July 2023 (UTC)


 * @Beautifulscarlet Sorry, I forgot about this. Looking quickly at the refs, it's not clear to me if refs like leedsandbradfordstudios and victorian-cinema.net are WP:SPS or not, but they look like it to me. Apart from that, consider making your text into 2-3 paragraphs, and WP:BAREURL. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:37, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
 * No worries and thanks for replying Gråbergs Gråa Sång, I'll give that a try.The page I created about Richard J Appleton has been rejected twice. I thought I'd let things cool down a bit and then give it another go. I'll do a bit more work on it including the the use of paragraphs. Beautifulscarlet (talk) 17:25, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi Gråbergs Gråa Sång, I've done a little more work on the Richard J Appleton text and added paragraphs, if you are interested and have anything to add to the page please do. The page probably needs more work and I will continue to try to improve it before submitting it once more.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Richard_J_Appleton Beautifulscarlet (talk) 14:09, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Holocaust denial
Hi! I hope this message finds you well. Knowing that you are familiar with the Holocaust denial to some extent, I wanted to ask if you knew about any article that had content akin to Holocaust denial per country. The closest subject that I know of is Antisemitism in Venezuela, although it has differences from Holocaust denialism and I want to avoid original research. Best wishes, NoonIcarus (talk) 11:00, 23 July 2023 (UTC)


 * @NoonIcarus Perhaps Category:Holocaust denial by country and Category:Holocaust deniers by nationality can be of some inspiration? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:21, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
 * If this is about Trapiello, connects him to antisemitism. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:36, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Trapiello is currently categorized under Holocaust deniers and I might consider starting a subcategory later on. For the time being, I'll add the information in the Antisemitism article. Thank you very much for the sources and your time, I'll let you know if I come across further questions. --NoonIcarus (talk) 11:41, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Question from Beautifulscarlet (14:36, 1 July 2023)
Hi Gråbergs Gråa Sång, just produced this page about the inventor Richard J Appleton, I had two references and it got rejected so I've added three more. Should I re submit or not? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Richard_J_Appleton --Beautifulscarlet (talk) 14:36, 1 July 2023 (UTC)


 * @Beautifulscarlet Sorry, I forgot about this. Looking quickly at the refs, it's not clear to me if refs like leedsandbradfordstudios and victorian-cinema.net are WP:SPS or not, but they look like it to me. Apart from that, consider making your text into 2-3 paragraphs, and WP:BAREURL. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:37, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
 * No worries and thanks for replying Gråbergs Gråa Sång, I'll give that a try.The page I created about Richard J Appleton has been rejected twice. I thought I'd let things cool down a bit and then give it another go. I'll do a bit more work on it including the the use of paragraphs. Beautifulscarlet (talk) 17:25, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi Gråbergs Gråa Sång, I've done a little more work on the Richard J Appleton text and added paragraphs, if you are interested and have anything to add to the page please do. The page probably needs more work and I will continue to try to improve it before submitting it once more.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Richard_J_Appleton Beautifulscarlet (talk) 14:09, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Question from Colourfulify (08:15, 6 August 2023)
Hi, I’ve created an account because I was reading the article on AE Bassom (who is an ancestor of mine) and noticed there was no picture on the page. I actually have a portrait of him in my house and was hoping I might be able to upload it or send it to someone involved in writing the page so it could be included. How would I go about doing this? Thanks for your help! Article here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A._E._Bassom --Colourfulify (talk) 08:15, 6 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @Colourfulify, hello and welcome to Wikipedia! And thanks for wanting to contribute an image. There are annoying rules about copyright, but this should be doable.
 * Per what I read at A. E. Bassom, your portrait may be considered public domain, basically "the creator of a work has been deceased for more than 70 years", but I can't know, maybe you do. If so you upload your picture HERE. That is a link to Commons, a sister-site where we keep "free" images.
 * If you're not confident the picture is public domain, we can still use it per something called "fair use". If so, go here: WP:FUW, choose "Upload a non-free file" > "This is a copyrighted, non-free work, but I believe it is Fair Use." > "This is a historical portrait of a person no longer alive."
 * After you've uploaded it, you can add it to the article, directions at Help:Infobox picture, or you can tell me and I'll do it.
 * Hope this helps! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:41, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

Malicious disruptive editing on Simon Ekpa
I want you to take a look at what they did to that article page Simon Ekpa. They moved it Namespace. ￼ 1st Contributor (talk) 13:53, 7 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Seems dealt with for now. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:21, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I and Borgenland recommend
 * adequate/appropriate sanctions be taken against that user. That was intentional disruptive editing on their part.
 * They will try it again if they are not appropriately dealt with. Thanks for your swift actions 1st Contributor (talk) 14:28, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
 * An admin agreed with you. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:38, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Done already. 1st Contributor (talk) 14:39, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

WikiTree
Hi there, I apologize for my WikiTree (volunteer) colleagues being so annoying on that article and not being capable of writing adequately for WP. I hope I will be able to clean it up, once the smoke clears and people forgot about that article again - in case it survives.

Kind regards from Black Forest to Sweden --Flominator (talk) 18:30, 14 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @Flominator, thank you for your kind message, it is appreciated. I think the article is likely to get at least a no consensus keep, though I do suspect some sort of WP:CANVASSing going on. These things can get much worse, Talk:Palmer Report is an example. And sometimes, things just work out: Talk:Wally_Green_(table_tennis). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:55, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Question from Its All About You 123 (16:54, 18 August 2023)
Hi, how can you create wikepida site --Its All About You 123 (talk) 16:54, 18 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @Its All About You 123 Hello! I assume you mean a Wikipedia article.
 * First you need to make sure you have the reliable sources (WP:RS) demanded, see WP:BACKWARD and WP:N. If you don't, your article will not be accepted. Next, you need to know how to edit, especially how to add references correctly, this is essential. WP:TUTORIAL can help with that. Then, you can move on to Help:Your first article.
 * Note that trying to make an acceptable WP-article without any previous WP-experience is difficult, there are a lot of rules around, especially if you intend to write about living people (WP:BLP). It's highly recommended to first get some WP-experience by editing/improving existing articles for a while. If you intend to make an article about yourself, forget it (WP:AUTO).
 * Hope this helps some! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:14, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Question from AaronBradshaw00 (01:13, 24 August 2023)
SUS --AaronBradshaw00 (talk) 01:13, 24 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Did you have a question? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:57, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Comment From Oldsilenus
Thank you again for your correction about the source of that Wikipedia article on Vesna Goldsworthy. I mentioned to User:cullen328 that Facebook mistakenly made me a friend of Vesna Goldsworthy. He did not think that this precluded me from editing her page. She is the one who, in a momentary lapse, told me that the Serbian government asked people to edit her Swedish page and gave me the URL. II really wondered why the page used Cyrillic characters in the URL if it was from Sweden. I must check with the English Wikipedia people if computerized translations of thee references there are acceptable. I will ask you a question at another time. One reference notes her praise from a Nobel laureate. At least in translation the name of the laureate is incorrect (as per Vesna). I will give you the URL of the reference and the two names at a later time. Vesna is really dissatisfied with her English Wikipedia article. I don't do much editing, so things are going slowly, I did get her picture into Wikimedia. It is on her English article. You or an acquaintance may want to add it to her Serbian article. Thanks very much.Oldsilenus (talk) 21:21, 26 August 2023 (UTC)


 * I have no intention to edit Serbian WP, don't know the language. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:28, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry! I didn't look close enogh at the diacritical marks in your name :(.Oldsilenus (talk) 00:10, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I must further apologize for misreading her original e-mail. It did say the entry was from the Serbian Wikipedia.Oldsilenus (talk) 05:31, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * No worries. The "traditional" Swedish confusion is with Swiss. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:00, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Question from Kincsk (14:49, 22 August 2023)
Hi there. I am representing the FD Foundation and the FD Center. Families have expressly requested that two photos be removed and replaced with less personal images (medically related illustrations, charts, and so on) on the page. I made an attempt to remove the pages a few weeks ago and someone named "Onorem" objected and put them back. I do not know who created the page in the first place but it is badly in need of more up to date information as well. Can you help me deal with the photo issue first? Thanks a lot! --Kincsk (talk) 14:49, 22 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @Kincsk Hello and welcome to Wikipedia, the online encyclopedia filled with all kinds of strange rules and customs, but we mean well. And ping to @Onorem.
 * Kincsk, I don't know how familiar you are with WP-stuff, but as you can see here: Onorem gave a reason for reverting you, and it's not an unreasonable one. You could have reached out to Onorem at their talkpage, but we learn the strange ways of WP as we go along, and nothing says we can't start a discussion here.
 * Wikipedia generally lacks good pictures we can use per laws and rules, and it would probably help if you uploaded your replacements first. However, not having seen your suggested replacements, it's possible that other editors such as myself and Onorem don't agree that your replacements are as good/better, and want to keep the current pictures anyway because we think it's better for the article. Note also that your replacements have to be usable here, meaning that they must be licensed under one of the "ok" licenses here:. There are a couple of ways to do that. Copyright stuff is a pain.
 * Onorem, however, there is another aspect now (wasn't mentioned when you reverted) per Kincsk's OP: "Families have expressly requested..." Per WP:BLPKIND, I think removing the pictures for now is acceptable. What do you say?
 * The Familial dysautonomia article was created in 2004 by an editor who hasn't edited since 2006, so that doesn't help but it also doesn't matter. I don't doubt it's in pretty bad shape, there's an appalling amount of, and if you, Kincsk, is interested in improving it, be WP:BOLD, but learn how to edit WP first, and check WP:OWN, "approved by the Familial Dysautonomia Foundation in New York" is not an argument that will get you far around here. What you need to do is to cite WP:MEDRS sources. It's very much not my area, but you may be able to get some helpful input at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Medicine. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:15, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
 * One more thing, Kincsk. Check File:Riley day.jpg and scroll down to "File usage on other wikis". English WP is not the only user of this image. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:21, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I've sought more input at Commons:Help_desk#"Families_have_expressly_requested_that_two_photos_be_removed...". You are welcome to comment there. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:42, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Now archived at Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:02, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Question from Danar like on Dick Durbin (03:08, 8 September 2023)
Dana Jamal who is known as Mahikhan in 1991 was raised in the country --Danar like (talk) 03:08, 8 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I don't understand the question. If you are trying to start a new Wikipedia article, WP:BACKWARD may be of help to you. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 05:53, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

Muhammad talk page
I'm sorry my fault but I have cleared it with the original editor of the tag. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Anachronist&oldid=1174494683

long story short, I have an account but do not have access, so I use a (IP says Works better yes) signature on my dynamic IP edits. This is me. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ip_says 213.237.91.184 (talk) 21:06, 8 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Fair enough, I suppose Anachronist will revert you if they disagree. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:13, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Tak. By the way, do you have an opinion on the subject in question? 213.237.91.184 (talk) 21:32, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Not atm, there's a lot of changes and sources I haven't looked at. That said, Anachronist sounds reasonable to me. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:48, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Question from Jasssiiii (12:52, 14 September 2023)
Hi I want to add a article on wikipedia. Will you please help me? --Jasssiiii (talk) 12:52, 14 September 2023 (UTC)


 * @Jasssiiii First, you need to make sure you have the sources demanded at WP:NOTABILITY. If you don't, the article will not be accepted. Next, you need to know something about how to edit, especially how to add references correctly, this is essential. See WP:TUTORIAL, and it's advised to spend some time learning editing existing articles before trying to create one yourself. If you intend to write about a living person, see WP:BLP. Next: Help:Your first article. And if you intend to write an article about yourself, don't. Hope this helps! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:07, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

 * @123WasTaken From where I sit the website seems closed, but have you looked at archived versions? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:54, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Just wanted to say, I think you're cool!
Hi there, I'm a long-time en.wiki reader (and besides the Internet Archive, it's been my most consistent charitable donation) who has started "finding my sea legs" as a contributor over the past year. I've been an English language editor for 20 years, so I'm focused in on GOCE tasks at first, as I absorb and grasp the much more complex policies and guidelines for the rest of the 'Pedia.

I'm one of those "read the whole manual 3x before assembling" types, so much of the past year has included reading historical noticeboards of all types, and clicking through to observe the dialogue of Wikipedians actively pursuing consensus in various contexts.

Time and again I have seen your username crop up, in tireless contribution and navigation of questions. (Most recently, I believe, at the RSN.) I finally became curious and clicked through to ask about the origin of your name here, but found you were kind enough to provide that info in the very beginning of your userpage! ☺️ What a lovely and interesting poem, thanks for that.

I spent about 5 years, just before COVID, giving my everything to help run an anarchist hackerspace. I saw first-hand everyday how messy, stressful, and beautifully imperfect the consensus-building process is among human beings, and I see that again across the pages of en.wiki's history. Contributors like yourself, who I see consistently focusing on the material, content-focused concerns of building an open encyclopedia, are of crucial importance. Human drama arises, but keeping a cool head and a neutral tone helps guide us back on track, to focus on the collaborative work rather than our differences of opinion.

I don't know how to "present diffs" quite yet, lol, and I don't have any specific examples in the front of my mind, but I have this deep and consistent impression of you as one of these patient shepherds of the over-excited Commons. So in my eyes, your contributions here reach beyond content, to fostering great and workable community and communication.

Thanks for all you do, you inspire me to keep learning the ropes and find the best ways I can contribute in the long term. Have a great day! From Chelsea aka Chiselinccc (talk) 22:06, 19 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much! "Knowledge production, at least in the Wikipedia sense, is part collaboration and part combat." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:34, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your note on Vesna Goldsworthy's talk page
I just noted your note on Vesna Goldsworthy's talk page regarding the use of "currently". I appreciate it. I, however, was not responsible for that line. Someone else has been editing her lead section and they wrote it. I have removed it. Oldsilenus (talk) 17:41, 20 September 2023 (UTC)


 * And I tweaked it again. The good thing about wording like "as of 2023", is that this will still be correct even if she leaves the position and no WP-editors notice it. That is the point of MOS:DATED. It's good for jobs, marriages and all kinds of things. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:01, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks again. I actually came back to correct my prior note. It should have said: I don't think I wrote that line. :) Oldsilenus (talk) 18:26, 20 September 2023 (UTC) I should have realized that you are not an Administrator because of your kindness and continued good humor.


 * Thank you! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:23, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Official notification
@Gråbergs Gråa Sång I want to officially notify you that l have informed Simon Ekpa about the development issues encountered on adding image to the article page Simon Ekpa. He promised to assign a new user to do it. But please, don't mistake the image on Flickr as the one formerly added and it was copyvio. You can check the differences! The former image was 2017 Finnish municipal election but the one found on Flickr is portrait he took on 7th September 2023. Don't mistake the two images please. I hope this message gets to you wel. WondersShallNeverEnd (talk) 18:30, 9 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Fwiw, I did notice it was different from the 2017 image, I've become somewhat familiar with that one and would have said so. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:44, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Glad you understand. So, what's way forward now in your own suggestions? The image will hopefully be added at the end of the day. WondersShallNeverEnd (talk) 18:49, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I have given the advice I intend to give on Talk:Simon Ekpa and ANI today. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:50, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok. Expect the image being readded. If you noticed, Simon Ekpa took that portrait image specifically for the sole purpose of it being added to Wikipedia.￼ WondersShallNeverEnd (talk) 18:54, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * @Gråbergs Gråa Sång
 * What if l get Simon Ekpa to upload the image on his website? I mean his own personal website. Or most probably, get inform him to write an email according to Wikimedia rules? Will the portrait be accepted? Will it be uploaded to Wikimedia commons and Simon Ekpa Wikipedia article page? I am being curious here! WondersShallNeverEnd (talk) 06:32, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Could work. Consider these examples:, copyright notice (in english) at bottom of page and , copyright notice under picture, left side. Like I've noted on WP and Commons, COM:VRT exists, but I'm told you (plural (?), as in various Ekpa-image uploaders) have tried that before, so anything you try by now will probably be met with skepticism, you have shot yourself in the foot on this issue. Still, if you do it right, either of these approaches might work. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:08, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok, yea. Those are originational websites like this one here It shows collection of portraits of BRGIE cabinets. The problem here is how to technically add that license on the left side of second website here Please continue guiding me through as we pull this out together. Honestly, l am the one in the mess here. WondersShallNeverEnd (talk) 07:47, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
 * That's something you have to figure out for yourself. I'm not going to upload anything to Commons on your behalf, but if you are VRT-successful, I will consider adding that image to the Ekpa WP-article. These may or may not be of some help to you:WP:When your boss tells you to edit Wikipedia and WP:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:55, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok. Best regards!￼ WondersShallNeverEnd (talk) 07:58, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
 * It seems you were, so I did. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:02, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Jess Wade @ The Guardian
I put a very brief note about The Guardian's interview at the upcoming In the media for The Signpost. You are welcome to expand it. ☆ Bri (talk) 16:13, 2 October 2023 (UTC)