User talk:GraemeLeggett/Archives/2023/August

Black market in wartime France
Re your revert of the addition of links to some of the leading figures of the black market of the period: can you explain why these would not be relevant?

I realize that much of the discussion about this happened at other articles, but there are translations planned and in progress. These links are each actually important enough to the topic to be for at least a global discussion of them their own section (probably titled 93 rue Lauriston) within the article body, and possibly individual sections, but I also need to research for due weight Amt Otto, the Russian émigré community and the plundering of the national treasures. None of these currently have articles but they probably should, and certainly were are important enough within the topic of black market in France for inclusion there. Amt Otto seems to actually have been a German operation, btw, if rogue in my impression.

I put these links in See also until I get done translating the text of the French article that is the basis of the current article. It too omits the fact that a large chunk of the black market, per sources, was run out of the Prefecture of Paris (see Joseph Joanovici), but such is wikipedia, as well as conversations like this one. I realize that this article is a work in progress and what I am saying may not be evident on a fast skim, and am planning to eventually create a navbar to help with this. I am not at this time going to revert you back, because I am overdue on some other stuff, and more importantly because I would rather finish the article than spend more time explaining to you that the article isn't finished, but I would like to ask you respectfully not to revert content creation, at least without discussion. Personally I think you should self-revert, especially since there is no requirement to my knowledge that limits See also links to en.wikipedia.

But I can come back to this later if you disagree. Elinruby (talk) 16:56, 5 August 2023 (UTC)


 * If you are referring to the removal of duplicate items in the Further Reading section of the Black market article, my reasoning is that they are not of much use to readers looking to expand understanding of the subject being in a foreign language. If the works are resources for the expansion of the article, then they can go on the talkpage - there is a specific mechanism for this: Template:Refideas. GraemeLeggett (talk) 06:42, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
 * They are central figures in the Paris black market. For some reason the French article doesnt discuss them until section two tho, which I would like to add, if I can get you to stop moving it. Please discuss before deleting content, k? Your copyedits are really good tho, it usually takes me about three passes to get the French out Elinruby (talk) 10:23, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Hey could you work on a different section for a while?
I am trying to move a huge amount of text in without blowing up the references, and every time I come back to the new section you've moved it or removed the header. It's in the sandbox you suggested and I really think it shouldn't be scattered all over the article. That part is discussable, but for the sake of my sanity please leave it alone until it's in *then* move it, because you are blending text about 1942 into the section about 1940-1941 and that may not always be accurate. Please see #Sandbox on the talk page Elinruby (talk) 10:17, 19 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hey, I only wanted you to work in a different section for a couple of hours, not leave the page altogether. I was having trouble converting the reference formats is all, and position in the article is important if I need to refer back to the original, which I was doing a lot right then. If I gave you some other impression or if I seemed inordinately annoyed I apologize. The article is pretty much ready for the type of edit you seem to like to do (and be good at), if you are still interested. It also needs an edit for organization and by fresh eyes. For example when did I get all instances of referring to price controls as "taxation"? (Which is weird if you ask me). It will also need to be cut or.spun off quite a bit. I am taking it as a given that we're spinning off media representation for example, but feel free to come discuss if you like. Elinruby (talk) 02:03, 24 August 2023 (UTC)


 * I move in and out of subjects depending on what time I have, what comes up on my watchlist (which is stupidly long) and how the mood takes me. GraemeLeggett (talk) 07:17, 25 August 2023 (UTC)