User talk:GraftedIn73

Hi C.Fred,

Thank you for the welcome. It has been an interesting experience so far. I did consider the 'conflict of information' as spelled out below. I believe that my attempts to publicize Dr. Martin's own words on a subject previously existing here at WP are not in violation of the 'no conflict' rules, either in letter, or in spirit. My wife Cindee (Dr. Martin's daughter) and I are not profiting from any of this, nor are we seeking to suppress any other viewpoint or persons. We are simply trying to alert people that Dr. Martin has weighed in on this controversy himself, 20 years ago, by way of taped speaking engagements. Other members of 'the family' are trying to create a POV article by suppressing material contrary to their views. They are the ones in 'conflict of interest'. They sell Dr. Martin's materials on their web-site and have been using this article to drive traffic there. My wife and I do not care that they have done this, nad continue to do this. We simply are seeking equal standing in the public forum, where the reader can draw his or her own conclusions.

I do appreciate you contacting me, and am very open to any guidance or suggestions you may have.

Rick Morgan

GraftedIn73 (talk) 00:50, 3 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Has the information about the taped engagements appeared in any independent publications? It would be a lot easier to support the addition if it could be sourced back to a newspaper story, magazine piece, or the like, rather than just directly to Martin's recordings/website. —C.Fred (talk) 00:57, 3 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi C.Fred,


 * Thanks for the question. I agree that seeing the info published elsewhere would be helpful. The material consists of recorded sessions from Dr. Martin's Bible Class at Newport Mesa Christian Center. The cassette tapes were stolen from Christian Research Institute over 15 years ago. Late last year, my wife and I were contacted by an individual who wanted to know if we would like to receive some tapes he had. This individual was a former CRI employee, who is now an atheist. My wife and I have been active on the Internet promoting her pro-life music. This individual came across our channels and decided to contact us. Due to the misimpression that has existed on the Internet, that the whole Martin family opposed Hank Hanegraaff, this individual assumed we were also against Hank. When the materials arrived, we were shocked to find over 600 cassette tapes. Out of the more than 600 tapes, 7 were clearly marked where Dr. Martin had given his opinion of Hank Hanegraaff, over a period from Dec 1986 through December 1988, just a little more than 6 months before his death. Our position has always been to not speak where we had no firsthand knowledge. That is why the 'Martin Family' error has existed for so long. We have never spoken out publically before. Now, again, WE are not speaking publically, as much as we are trying to let Dr. Martin's own words speak for himself. If someone chooses to think, as we do, that they are supportive of Hank's leadership, that's great. If after hearing them, they choose to believe that they still do not answer the question of leadership, that great too. At least they will have considered all the available evidence. In presenting the tapes - digitized and presented as MP3s, we have tried to keep our own commentary to a minimum, so as to not unduly influence those who hear them. Our 'home' page on our website is where our most opinionated statements are made, but even these statements have more to do with public attacks, than what conclusion a person should reach after hearing the audio material. If you compare our site, with that of Kevin and Jill Rische, our opponents in this 'edit war', I hope you will see a difference, not only in viewpoint, but also in style and civility.


 * I regret that this is so long. I hope it helps to explain why this material has not been available for publication in other venues prior to this.


 * Rick Morgan - GraftedIn73 (talk) 06:50, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

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