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Re: What is this?
To answer your question: that's pure nonsence. It's saying something about "sexual custom where one partner is pretending to be an animal, and the other one is a hunter". "Tražilica", on the other hand means "search engine". Tried to google on "Pipiemija", but got only links to this page. The author of this article has only that one edit. Therefore, I find the article not salvageable and I'm pretty sure I won't do anything wrong by deleting it... there, I deleted it. --Dijxtra 11:32, 14 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Np, glad I could help. --Dijxtra 11:37, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Judge Roberts
The joke was mine actually. Glad you liked it! It was so long ago I forgot all about it to be honest :) Borisblue 04:42, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

First Clinical Syndrome
I have added few text from the First Clinical Syndrome into the Medical Student SyndromeDoctor Bruno 15:53, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thank you for going through "my" articles fixing the mistakes - and for the interlanguage links on my page! I didn't know this was possible, and probably wouldn't ever find out if it weren't for you :) Jashiin 13:39, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Accessibility problems of Wikipedia

 * Note: Discussion moved to Wikipedia talk:Accessibility.

Elevators Edition
I noticed you made a change to the "Elevator" page in Wikipedia. You inserted "install a new elevator" instead of new piston.

I have worked as an Elevator Mechanic for many years. You do not modernize a elevator just because the old cynlinder is bad. You replace the cynlinder (most often referred to, as a jack) with a new one, and line it with a large PVC piping. You then install a new polished steel piston (free from straches), along with new packing around the piston. All this can be done without replacing the elevator.

Modernizing an elevator is a very large task, and just because a jack went bad doesn't force the owner of the elevator to modernize it, completly. A Modenization, as discussed, in the talk section of elevators, consists of replacing the Controls, Fixtures (including buttons, COP panel, hall signals, car signals), wiring, hoistway switches, selector unit, sometimes the motor and generator set.

Please reply to me, by leaving a comment on the discussion page for elevators, Thank You.

I have knowledge on Elevators and Escalators, I've been in the field for many years, any questions, just ask. Sorry I have not logged into my wiki account.


 * Thanks for changing it back Graham. If you have any questions, my username is jpalnow.

Richard Clayderman
The same content that was at my talk page was also posted to Talk:Richard Clayderman. I feel that it's more relevant there, so I have chosen not to keep a copy here. Graham talk 03:49, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Here's the diff for future reference. Graham 87 06:13, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

email
Dear Graham,

Thanks for your reply, and for your useful guidance about the editing ways in wikipedia.

I thought expedient to delete my last message in here, as it was not necessary to be viewable in public. For my next messages, I prefer to send them to your email, if possible. Please leave your email address here (or please email to me to get your email address... my email address is: pianissimo@SoftHome.net ).

Thanks in advance.

Mickaeel Herbertian

--Dreamy piano 01:42, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Here's the diff of the removed message for future reference. Graham 87 06:16, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

How to fix bunched up edit links
Thanks for the copyedit; I can't believe I let these slip. --cesarb 15:37, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

JAWS behavior

 * Note: Discussion moved to Wikipedia talk:Accessibility.

OK. Would you mind if I move this discussion to the Wikipedia talk:Accessibility page? If you still watch that page in the future I will post this type of questions there. PS: Go Australia! :-) --surue&ntilde;a 10:19, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
 * No, I wouldn't mind. I'm still watching the wikipedia talk:accessibility page, and I'll try to answer questions there if I can. And yes, I hope Australia gets a reasonable result. Graham talk 10:24, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

LOL NLVE
Give a guy a chance to change his curly brackets to square brakets lol. You were on that redirect before I could push edit. XD --Monotonehell 12:41, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * ROFL Good work that man! --Monotonehell 12:45, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

My 2a page
Hi Graham - Thx for fixing that dumb typo on the page. Tony 15:20, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

?
Thanks, but i'd like to see where i've been experimenting?/editing that's been of offense...(87.74.34.16 02:43, 23 July 2006 (UTC))


 * Oh, ok... just got confused when it came up as a new message, dynamic IPs can be great fun... {87.74.34.16 04:10, 23 July 2006 (UTC)}

lol
Thanks --mboverload @ 08:43, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
 * No problems; spelling mistakes happen to all of us. Graham talk 08:44, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Vurtne
I left a nn-warn on the talk page for. You might consider using this (or nn-notice if the article has already been speedied) when tagging the articles of new editors. Of course, many people don't, it all depends on preference and whether you interpret the contribution as good faith or not. Feel free to reply on this page; I'll see it.  Big Nate 37 (T) 10:03, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I use the deletion warning templates sometimes when I think the contribution is in good faith - or a good article could come out of it, which happens sometimes with copyvios that meet the speedy deletion criteria. Graham talk 10:56, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Bitch, bitch, gripe, sigh!
re: User:Ste4k/VER   Ahem!...
 * see which led to
 * ''in re: User:Ste4k/VER
 * Thanks for your note regarding this, but I think it's possible you meant it for User:Graham87, not me? I don't recall being involved in any such discussion. --Grahamtalk/mail/E 05:23, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

In closing, T'would be nice if your Stealthed '87' were part of your sig... (says the pot calling the kettle...)  Cheers! // Fra nkB 14:34, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

from another Graham!
Hey there! Just wanted to let you know that I've been getting some of your messages... one regarding User:Ste4k/VER (see my talk page); and another some time ago via e-mail, about a car article you reverted. (I didn't make the connection at the time and so deleted the e-mail.) It doesn't bother me that much, but you might consider revising your signature to include the "87" to allay the confusion. Or, now that I've figured this out, I can just forward things to you. Cheers! --Grahamtalk/mail/ e 20:48, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

the car thing
It was a sports car with a numerical name of some sort; the user (a new user, I think) had posted a bunch of pictures of what appeared to be his own car, with the license plate poorly obscured with a photo editing program of some sort. Your revert was quite correct, as I recall... I wouldn't worry about it. --Grahamtalk/mail/ e 10:33, 17 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Nah, it was something about a specific car model. It was a nice article that somebody had slapped a superfluous picture of their own car smack in the middle of. --Grahamtalk/mail/ e 07:30, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Theta Beta Potata
This article was first started by me and was deleted back in May '06. I was reading the punk house article and saw that the link for the TBP article was no longer red so I clicked on it and there was an article back up, started by another user. I dont know who started it because, it was deleted soon after I saw it. The decision made in the "Article for Deletion" debate should be reconsidered. The article is about a punk house not a fratenal organization. It seems that the debate, run by User:ChrisB and results were reported by User:Mailer Diablo. I will post this on their talk pages. This is the first time I have requested a deletion review so please let me know what else I need to do. If there is anything. I am on wikipedia frequently and I want to learn. Thanks. Xsxex 16:28, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Noël Godin
Just to let you know, I didn't remove this article from WP:UA, I just moved it down a bit to alphabetise it. If we're going by last name though, then go ahead and move it back to where it was. Thanks. 69.40.244.48 15:13, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Accessibility question
Hi - Can you confirm that embedding HTML breaks in side by side cells within a single row in a table is problematic from an accessibility viewpoint? I recently changed the country infobox to avoid this sort of construct and have now embarked on a project to similarly change the city infobox. My understanding is that HTML tables are read row by row, cell by cell, so embedded breaks that are meant to create additional "rows" within a single HTML row don't affect the audible presentation from a screen reader. This will be a reasonably large effort in the city infobox case, since there are a little more than 2000 references to this template with probably about half using this sort of technique. I'm looking for a bot that might be able to fix these, but for the time being I'm using a manual approach. If you could confirm that this is indeed an issue I'd appreciate it. Thanks. -- Rick Block (talk) 17:00, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Which pages have this problem? I checked Georgia (country), Abu Dhabi and Austin, Texas and they all read fine with JAWS. Graham 87 08:54, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The references are in the process of being changed, but Walls, Mississippi currently exhibits this issue.  The construct is like the following:

which looks like the following table that actually has three rows


 * The question is whether these tables are presented differently in JAWS? My suspicion is the first is presented as "Country State County, United States Mississippi DeSoto", while the second is "Country United States, State Mississippi, County DeSoto" (which is a better match for the visual appearance).  Thanks. -- Rick Block (talk) 16:15, 5 September 2006 (UTC)


 * In the Georgia (country) article, the Government section of the infobox (following "official language, Georgian") is presented like this. The type of government, president, and prime minister are in the same row in the HTML table.  There are other problems with this particular example, but the visual presentation is meant to show these as three separate rows, with the content "Government Republic, President Mikheil Saakashvili, Prime Minister Zurab Noghaideli".  Is this the presentation using JAWS, or is it "Government President Prime Minister, Republic Mikheil Saakashvili Zurab Noghaideli"?  -- Rick Block (talk) 16:32, 5 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Yikes! Yes I see the problem now. The tables with the line breaks read exactly as you said they would with JAWS, and row and column navigation doesn't work with them. However the second table reads fine here because it uses standard row separators. So line breaks imbedded in tables are definitely not a good idea with screen readers. Graham 87 10:00, 6 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much. The country articles that use the standard template are all fixed (Georgia (country) does not use the standard template).  The city articles using the standard template are being fixed.  The articles about US States have all been fixed.  I'll create a project to find and stamp out this anti-accessible usage pattern.  -- Rick Block (talk) 13:20, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

AntiVandalBot revert
Just thought you might find it funny that an anonymous IP managed to get the text removed while we were warned. =) -- Gogo Dodo 17:12, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
 * even more amusing - I am that anon IP! 80.41.251.238 16:42, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Michael Crawford
Hello,

Please may i ask whether you removed the folowing from the Michael Crawford page? If so, why?

By watching several of Michael Crawfords Videos, it can be seen that the singer/actor is left handed, this is particularly noitceable in Some Mothers Do 'Ave 'Em when you see the character Frank Spencer writing.

Your more experienced then me, i'm not being rude or anything, i'm just wondering why it has been removed, if you did so.

Thank you.

'tomr2006'

Tom 21:06, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Virus Removal
As you have put this note up on the page, I can only assume that you have an ulterior motive. Wallie 10:27, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Having read your remarks, now I am sure you have an ulterior motive. Wallie 10:34, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I have put a new article on what I believe is an important topic. You are virilent in wanting it deleted. This has nothing to do with any rules. I really suspect your motives. Wallie 10:46, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
 * It is as I suspected. Do you work for an Anti-Virus Software Company? Wallie 11:18, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

The whole tone of what you are saying is that only experts (and I guess you think you are one) should comment in this area. Most people for your information do not want to go out and buy Spyware and Anti-Virus Software. They simply want to get rid of the virus. That is one thing I do know. Professionals go directly into the computer and delete the entries manually. Automated methods can delete harmlees files and leave the bad ones behind. I have nothing against Anti-Virus Companies personally, other than they are often ineffective, and use a scattergun approach. I think that the topic is very important, and that you are treating me as if I am a vandal, and by doing this you are actual being a vandal (by deleting what I am saying). Wallie 11:34, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Graham, I am not trying to be clever here. I really want this article to remain, as I am so many others are affected by viruses. Naturally the Anti-Virus software is one of the solutions, and should be mentioned. I intended to do this anyway. I my specific case, I got infected by a Spyware virus. I tried all sorts of software, download, patches etc. Some did more damaged. I eventually found all the software attached to the virus and manually deleted it. Now the virus is gone. Wallie 11:45, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The how-to comment in the guidelines is directed at a particular types of silly how-to guides, like how-to chat up a girls etc. You just need to see the link to the Wiki how-to, to see what is in there. Anyway, these are just guidelines. I would like to put the stuff in Wiki books, but these are to technical in nature. Also, main stream encyclopedias have how-to articles, and I think you realise that. As for being NPOV, this is really directed at political discussions and the word approach is probably better here. It is hardly POV that viruses can be deleted, it it? Wallie 11:54, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
 * This is the problem, the viruses are given names, and everyone is confused. The virus was all in one folder iCodecPack, and it had two execs, pmmon.exe and pmsngr.exe. Also the virus was giving popup screens to pourchase anti-virus software and kept flashing a yellow triangle with an exclamation mark. I could not delete the execs or the folder either. However, I found a way. The trick is to go into the computer's safe mode and then delete it. That is what I want to explain in tnis article. There should be a list if keywords, like pmmon.exe. I think that people should know how to remedy specific attacks in Wikipedia. I think it is really important. That's why I am taking so much time out to discuss it. Thanks. Wallie 12:03, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

List of high schools in Illinois
Can you explain to me why having the Table of Contents on the right is an accessibity issue? I think having the TOC on the right looks much better in that article (rather than have to scroll down 103 lines to reach the beginning of the text). Thanks. -- DS1953 talk 18:27, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I see your reasoning, but please take a look at this article again and see if you don't agree that the change you made creates a much more unfriendly article for the majority of readers for the benefit of a relatively small group (at the present time I assume that most people access the site via a normal web browser). I agree that we shouldn't change the TOC location for no good reason, but I think this article has a very good reason.  -- DS1953 talk  14:42, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I didn't understand that you had made another edit and hadn't looked at the page again.  I agree it is fine now.  -- DS1953 talk  16:41, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

re
Sure, I'll get right on it. Usually when an unregistered user has that many edits, it's not one person doing the editing. AOL uses a proxy server that makes it so many editors come from the same ip address at differing but closely related times (dynamic). This is most likely the case.

But because you asked, here's the text (third edit by Anders Törlind): Hi there! welcome to the 'pedia! Thanx for covering for my (and others) many grammatical and spelling errors, that really helps the credibility of the texts. Anyways, hope you stay and perhaps even get a real username? ;-)

It's just a typical welcome message, which (s)he apparently manually created. Mushroom got rid of it with the comment "This should go to the user page". Hope this clears things up for ya, and happy editing. - Mysekurity 03:49, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I do recall an anon a year or so back who had about 500 edits under his/her belt (static ip). Hard to tell anyway. Hope ya learned something, Mysekurity  04:07, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Richard Cummings
Hi mate I know you are doing good work in regulation deletions probably my fault as I didn't use the in use tag but try not to be so hasty in deletion. Surely you saw I had initally set up the outside link. I lost my work than because of edit conflict. In the future remember my identity and any work I do is useful. I am not one of the crappy people who start a page with just a word and leave it Ernst Stavro Blofeld 12:39, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

HI thanks no you are right disamb is not for external links but I only set it up to retrieve the list. And absolutely only two actors out of that list are worthy of an article I did set it up for the silent actor article which I will get around to. The others are listed for reference purposes only. You weren't to know of my great work on wikipedia. I think it is good anyway that you are on the ball in trying to cut out the crap. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 15:17, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

NavigationBar
Hi - I've created a navigational template that for visual browsers presents a long list of items with a scroll bar. Can you please check it out and let me know if it causes any problems when used with JAWS? The template is template:NavigationBar, used by template:Places in Bedfordshire. An article using the Bedfordshire template is Arlesey. Thanks. -- Rick Block (talk) 17:58, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The navigation bar itself reads fine with JAWS. My only problem is that it's hard to exit with the quick navigation keys (next element, end of element, different/same element ETC) because it's not an html list or table. Therefore, I think it should be the last real text in an article. Sometimes the geographical coordinates are below the navbar and it's hard to scroll down below the navbar. Graham 87 02:33, 16 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Interesting. Thanks very much for checking it out.  The whole point is easier navigation so it's really not acceptable for this to cause navigation issues with JAWS.  I've tried a version that's simply a modification to template:NavigationBox which uses a table, but couldn't get it to work with Internet Explorer (IE seems to be too stupid to be able to figure out how to resolve the field width).  Given that IE is the predominantly used visual browser at this point, I think having it not work for IE is not an option.  I'm a little surprised JAWS doesn't offer next element navigation based on DIV elements.  I suspect DIV-based CSS formatting will become more and more common.  In any event, I will not encourage use of this technique until a solution is found for JAWS usage.  By the way, have you run into any of the show/hide templates that use a Javascript technique to present two different versions of the same template based on "clicking" a show or hide button?  Template:Snake families is an example.  I'm curious whether these cause problems with JAWS.


 * I hope it's not a problem to be asking you about accessibility issues like this. In my opinion, the whole point of the web is accessibility.  It greatly irks me when people even inadvertently cause problems for visual browsers other than Internet Explorer (I usually use Safari on a Mac).  I'm sure it must be 10 times worse with JAWS.  I can't do anything about most of the web, but I can do something about Wikipedia.  If you ever run into anything that's problematic here, please let me know.  -- Rick Block (talk) 13:59, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the message. I poked around a bit on the Freedom Scientific website, and it seems that there is a keystroke in the latest version of JAWS to move between divisions on the page, if I'm understanding what you mean correctly. That'll be a 700 dollar upgrade for me; fortunately I'll be able to get hold of that money soon. It's also only been in the last year that blind users have been able to use anything other than Internet Explorer efficiently with Windows screen readers, so support for IE is crucial for accessibility.


 * I've seen the show/hide buttons when they used to be in template:AfD, and they work fine with JAWS so I don't have a problem with them. My biggest accessibility gripe is when people fiddle with the position of the table of contents. If I want to skip the table of contents, I just have to hit "h" to get to the first heading. Templates like Template:TOCright aren't a problem on their own, but when editors put them above the introduction or other important text, a screen reader user will miss the text. I wrote about this at Help:Section and Wikipedia Talk:accessibility . When I first noticed the problem at Isotope, I was baffled because I thought the article had been vandalised and I could find no version to revert to! Graham 87  08:51, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Microsoft Sam / Microsoft Anna merge ?
I was rather surprised that these pages were merged into the SAPI page. I thought the old pages were fine, and the current SAPI page seems to just becoming a repository of random speech-related stuff. I think there was a discussion and the idea of removing Windows Text-To-Speech was proposed, but I didn't expect every article related to Microsoft Speech was gonna get deleted. I propose re-adding Microsoft Sam and Microsoft Anna again as I think they are notable unless you disagree. Dave w74 02:43, 17 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your comments. Microsoft Sam may not be state-of-the-art, but it is probably the most widely used TTS voice on the planet, given its inclusion in every copy of Windows XP. I think that makes it far more notable that you suggest. Saying "its only claim to notability is being such a pathetic and useless voice that it's been parodied on the internet" is absurd, as well as being wildly POV.
 * For what it's worth, I believe Microsoft Sam's voice quality is typical of the concatenative synthesisers of the late 90's & early 2000's, prior to the "long-unit" technology used by AT&T Natural Voices and Microsoft Anna. It's always rated highly on intelligibility tests, although clearly the naturalness is low compared to more modern voices. If you are interested this paper describes some of the technology behind the older SAPI 4 Whisper engine, which the Sam/Mary/Mike engine is based off-of: http://icassp.microsoft.com/akit/sample_paper98.pdf
 * Back to Wikipedia, I don't think we can have everything Microsoft Speech related on the SAPI article as it's already a long article. I propose either having separate pages for each voice, even if they are short; or having a single page called Microsoft Text-To-Speech engines, which can list Whisper, Sam/Mary/Mike, Anna etc. and describe as much of the underlying technology, user-perceived features, and quirks and bugs as people see fit. Personally I also think there's a need for a Microsoft Speech Recognition engines page which can describe the SR side of things and hopefully allow the SAPI page to focus more on the API and programming models. Dave w74 17:06, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Updated version of navigation bar template
Hi - Can you please check out a newer version of the navigation bar template, at User:Rick Block/navbar? It's not in use anywhere, but this page includes an example. The list itself is now in an HTML list element, so I'm hoping you can use a shortcut traversal to skip past the list to the subsequent content on the page. Please let me know. Thanks. -- Rick Block (talk) 16:47, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, I can use "e" to move to the end of the list from the first item so it works. Graham 87 04:19, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi re links
Hi graham87

With all due respect to your time!

Sceala has good reason to be linked to such posts, but we understand the forums 'general rule', and respect it despite seeing plenty of other just forums linked here! and yet sceala is more than a common found forum it has more than a dozen linked sites with specific information about Ireland and with content provided by such people with Irish history degrees; and please note our forums are invite only to post (no one just like here! can just post what they want)! so the quality of unique content can match anything wikipeda for both insight and accuracy provided! so bearing that in mind and a commitment to provide time here and content (as yesterday proved) I have placed the main site link as a reference for people!.

Now if that is too much to expect from time spent here then fine, we will just use this site!

I alert you that a fair amount of our content has been lifted here from our site and we have not complained!

Don't worry it is absolutely no problem if we can't link we will just assume as fact that for some it is ok but others it is not.

Add

That one of the very top links you and others presumably do see fit as suitable!, has barely any content(bar adverts) that a person can read for free! So deleting us and yet approving that site (which has no base of credence in Irish studies any more than us) seems hardly sense or fair play in any way.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sceala (talk • contribs) 08:17, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

01download.net
hello,

Sorry for my english I am from France and I try to write in english:

I have see you allways remove my link from this site this is not spam links what you write in history. This is my perssonal website and I don't take any money from Where I deposited my link there is of another external links, I am not the first to add one links thank you verry much

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Martinek (talk • contribs) 08:31, 4 November 2006 (UTC).

I have thinks there is free for use this wiki, there all externel links have pay for add one or much links I am not vandal, I add the links where i thinks is important

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Martinek (talk • contribs) 08:57, 4 November 2006 (UTC).

--Ok this is question SEO, I don't search this. I think My website is good indexed from google and I have one question, it is possible to open new article like Tucows, download.com or nather website? thank you Martinek 10:28, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Friedrich Kuhlau did not play the flute
Sir: As the title states, Friedrich Kuhlau did not play the flute. If you have any doubt of this I suggest you read the two below listed mongraphs which are considered the leading authorities on this composer:

1. D. Friedrich Kuhlau by Ejner Johansson. He writes: "Han var, skont det modsatte ofte er haevdet, ikke selv flojtist, hans omfattende produktion skydes..." I translate since I doubt you can read Danish. It says, "[Kuhlau's production includes quite a quantity of chamber music...most often with the flute, which he did not play himself."

2. "Flojtmusik" by Poul Birkelund on of Denmark's leading flutists. He also writes that it is intersting that Kuhlau wrote so much for the flute since he himself did not play the flute. He attributes this to the fact that Kuhlau's father was a bandmaster who did, in fact, play the flute.

I suggest you restore the remarks to the article about Kuhlau and his not playing the flute. I have placed this article on my watch list and if you do not replace it, I will have to report to the administrators that you are removing accurate information from articles. Santo Neuenwelt

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.211.48.250 (talk • contribs) 3:29, 7 November 2006 (UTC).
 * Responded at talk:Friedrich Kuhlau. Graham 87 03:48, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Kalgoorlie
Hi Graham - thanks for the edit on Kalgoorlie - we have an almost constant battle with the largest city in the world list people who go for Kalgoorlie and its area - Snottygobble who is now Hesperian has had to back me up on this one, it seems ridiculous to think that 200 kilometres out of the main part of Kalgoorlie is also part of the city or town out there! Trust all is well - vcxlor - now SatuSuro SatuSuro 09:55, 7 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Good to hear from you - I still remember our interaction about the Nullabor - hope you enjoy life beyond TEE - my oldest boy is about to do his next year. Best Wishes - SatuSuro SatuSuro 14:20, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

new at this
I cant update with links to a youtube media file? or should i put a link to an html page that will have the link to the media file?

thanks in advance
 * Youtube is not considered a reliable source because anyone can upload a video and it contains copyrighted videos; therefore it should not be linked to. It's better to link to a transcript. Graham 87  08:53, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Mass-removal of histopathology-india.net links
Hi. I noticed that you removed a large number of histopathology-india.net links. I wasn't the one that placed those links and, truthfully, I was planning on getting rid of those links as well, thinking that they are just vanity pages or of limited value. However, upon going to the site and reviewing their text, they not only have stuff that isn't in wikipedia yet, but also high quality text on the subject matter.

I'm not asking that the links all be placed back. However, maybe a single link from the Cardiology page to the cardiology portion of the website is appropriate? As a cardiologist that has written a lot of articles for wikipedia (check my edits), I think there is some value to the site listed. Ksheka 13:06, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the revert on the Cardiology page. It is a bit of an unusual site.  I can tell you that all the obscure topics I read about on the site correlate with external facts (to the best of my knowledge). Ksheka 13:31, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Game
I am sure its a game among some to put in an art which looks cred but has utter crap in it - so when I see em I say we blast em - no benefits of a doubt. Let em know whos what!SatuSuro 07:06, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah, makes more sense now (re the one diff) - the article was bizarre beforehand (photos of a phone booth for example) but that one took it right into the weird. Gotta love randoms... when I'm finished with the de-stubbing and standardisation stuff on the suburbs and towns I think almost everything will be on my watch list so I can keep an eye out for people who mistakenly believe they have a sense of humour. :) Orderinchaos78 (t 08:21, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Regarding removal of links of histopathology-india.net
I've removed the letter per the instructions on it. However, for the sake of accountability, the diff of it is here. Graham 87 01:00, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Umm... That's a strange one. Unfortunately, with the anonymity that the internet provides, we can never be truly sure if the person that left the message is who they say they are.  However, I guess that the request should be respected and the link on Cardiology should be removed as well. I'll take care of it.  Ksheka 01:33, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Please restore link to spanish version.
Can we leave the link to the Spanish version as this may be the only page ever seen world wide by those desperately seeking information on Merkel Cell Cancer in Spanish. This is from the National Cancer Institute and the only other non english language version of this disease that I have located. This may save one or more lives somewhere in the future. Thanks,

George

Graham87. I sent an email to the professor in India regarding the posting of information for histopathology-india.net.

This was from my administrative email for the merkel cell cancer group. I did not receive a reply from this individual. Looking at the information and visual layout of the histopathology-india.net web site I found it to be very visually difficult to follow and it was more of a academic assignment page/site for members of the professor's academic class or group.

George

Graham,

I have just noticed that also. Oh well, as a grassroots effort to reach medical professionals with these images and those just diagnosed with this cancer, having the textual information here may be all that we can expect.

George Merkelcell 11:11, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Welcome Back
Hope you find being back not a problem! I had a week off - and it was good to be away from the burdensome watch list that I have grown for myself - I thought it was big until I discovered how big some others are. I stayed near Penguin Island - and have a project to sort out the Seaforth McKenzies of this world - there are some tricky dismabig issues there - as well as trying to tie in too many threads and projects, so that the new year is down to the hundreds.... oh well. ENJOY1 SatuSuro 03:00, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

How to install h3knix
This book is now up for deletion. It seems the distribution has been merged into Arcane and seems unsupported. I have no knowledge of the project and, thus, no idea of how relevant the document is. I'd appreciate your oppinion on the matter.

Please reply on my Wikibooks user talk page. --Swift 20:42, 7 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Many thanks for your reply! --Swift 01:26, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Sceala
Graham87

Please remove any links thought spam. It seems that someone who is not authorised to speak for sceala has gone to great lengths to cause upset. Would you kindly please cease adding any comments of any kind on the user sceala, here as you will only now actively encouraging more of this. We have taken control of the post in our name and will not be adding to it. Thank you for your attention in this matter.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sceala (talk • contribs).

Are you authorized to change members user names and profiles?

a simple yes or no is more than adequate!

Thanks for your attention and time Graham87. I will look at your information and act on it this coming week. It was very good of you to look at this for us and once again appreciate your time. Happy Christmas and new year.

Doing something about the ridiculous date autoformatting/linking mess
Dear Graham—you may be interested in putting your name to, or at least commenting on this new push to get the developers to create a parallel syntax that separates autoformatting and linking functions. IMV, it would go a long way towards fixing the untidy blueing of trivial chronological items, and would probably calm the nastiness between the anti- and pro-linking factions in the project. The proposal is to retain the existing function, to reduce the risk of objection from pro-linkers. Tony 01:00, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Template:Cquote
Sorry if I'm bothering you (maybe you should create Category:Wikipedians that use screen readers or something, so that we have more people to ask. You're the only one I know of...)

But there's a discussion about the Cquote template and its effect on screen readers at Template talk:Cquote. It uses tables, inline images, and the click template to simulate a blockquote element. Can you comment on whether this causes any problems or not? — Omegatron 16:06, 12 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I've proposed cquote for deletion. I would appreciate your comments. — Omegatron 18:45, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Spam - sport psychology
Graham87,

First I want to show my respect for what you do with wikipedia and the information you cortribute, it is something to be proud of. The reason I am contacting you though is to apologize for adding spam to the sport psychology section. In no way would I want to damage wikipedias content, I thought that my website www.gamewarpaint.com was revelant as alternative method in sport psychology. I understand though that wikipedia is not an encyclopedia of links.

I was wondering where it would be appropriate to add my site? Or should I not provide information about my business and myself on Wikipedia?

Thanks, CLO —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.163.204.11 (talk) 23:32, 14 December 2006 (UTC).

nullabor nymph
Thanks for restoring that - I found that article in a big list of alleged orphan or category free articles which I promptly lost the title of - its good to think that such folklore tales do get a valid location in wikipedia! trust youre enjoying december! Best wishes SatuSuro 03:20, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Forgotten the link
Sorry - Think I got it (the Nullabor Nymph) from something that derived from the main australian portal page. I am afraid that I have since got diverted by underpopulated categories that relate to the new maritime history project which is up and running - as well as trying to get a whole lot of indonesian articles tagged for the indonesian project as well.. too many threads and too little time. Once again - best wishes SatuSuro 09:29, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Looks like Longhair has found another ref for the article as well - he's just been through some of my contributions list tagging for wikipedia project australia - I can tell from the titles - as well as the dreaded unsourced tag - which leads me to the state library catalogues as they have so much in them. If I ever do find the link that I found it in - I'll let you know.  speak to you again soon. SatuSuro 11:42, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Busted hey? Hehe. To be honest, I don't go through editor's contributions all that often, unless needed. I was working my way through WA categories. You (SatuSuro) just seem to edit a lot of them, and watchlist them accordingly :) I was doubtful of the Nullarbor Nymph article when I first spotted it, which led me to perform my own hunt for references. Time Magazine exposure removed all doubt :) -- Longhair\talk 02:25, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Readymix Logo on Nullabor
Hi I dont have the time to type it in now but yesterdays west australian has a story we need to put into the Nullabor article - a 3.2 km by 1.6 km readymix (they were - are?) a cement company - a logo put in 1965. I dont know if you can get the west online or whether they cover the story - I'll try to get it to you by next wek the weekend is a bit crazy for wikipedia time...speak again soon! SatuSuro 01:29, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

And longhair just alerted me to this - Freshwater Bay, Western Australia - you might like to hear an un-caught school essay before the vulture-editors descend! SatuSuro 01:50, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Glad you found the west story - I went to school with Paul Murray and have private thoughts about the newspaper and the ex editor that I cannot share here - but....I havent been on the web site that much SatuSuro 02:23, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * My intuition is that the nullabor nymph and the trans flights, and the logo - could go in a separate heading - Nullabor oddities I would back you up against any predator editors on that one! SatuSuro 05:44, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * your suggestion is excellent - no rush on it - I was in Midland with my youngest two teenagers an hour ago 49 degrees C (52 at the foot of greenmount hi;;) getting my dose of John Cleese as a sheep - great stuff - charlottes web - not borat for them today! SatuSuro 06:04, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Telephone systems
Most of my info comes from printed books in the State Libraries of various states (I'm looking back over about 60-70 years). I've been to Perth, Adelaide and Launceston, and when in Melbourne I got the info but have subsequently lost it. I have collections of information that I gathered contemporaneously in 1990-1992 which predate the 8-digit conversion - I can email these to you if you like (they're pure text files with only a bit of tabulation for formatting) Orderinchaos78 12:19, 19 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I had more on Adelaide and Melbourne than I thought. Here's my collection (nearly all in plain text format). Pre-1960 exchange lists are usually lettered exchanges (a real relic!):


 * Adelaide exchanges 1939, 1951, 1958, 1976
 * Melbourne exchanges 1939, 1956, 1971
 * Tasmania - full history 1956-1960
 * Perth - information on the pre-1977 system (Perth moved from 092+6d to 09+7d in 1977) Also exchange lists for 1957 and 1960
 * Original 1990-1992 information updated to 1997 for all states and territories, including some text information.
 * Collection from ACA site of all exchanges, with most formatting removed (HTML tables only)
 * NZ info from 1984 and 1990 (incomplete), prior to 1991 conversion to 0x+7d
 * Full lists for Australia and New Zealand, current at about 2001ish. Until 2003, exchange lists were published in directories.


 * Also just found a relatively complete history for Western Australia from 1903 to 1972 in HTML format. You're more than welcome to any or all of these, and to share them with others if you wish. Orderinchaos78 18:31, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: 1-5-7-1
Ahh, thanks. I've left a quick comment, there. I tend to get bogged down with other things (rc patrol, unblock requests, AIV, speedies, and so on...) so I'll end up neglecting to do such things for a few days, sometimes. Thanks for taking care of that. :) Luna Santin 21:10, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Content review
I've restored the page you were specifically looking for to User:Graham87/Wikipedia talk:Clarity in Policy Discussion - but I haven't restored the rest, because "could be valuable" is not a good enough reason to restore a deleted page. Plenty of projectspace/talkspace pages are redlinked, because they were deleted at MfD (e.g. WP:OURS), or were the product of users who exercised right to vanish, or something like that, but they were still discussed at the time. We alter articles to remove links to deleted articles, but we don't alter other people's comments as a rule. If you or anyone else actually wants to read these pages, I can restore them, but the policy on deleting orphaned talk pages does hold for those with links to them somewhere. --Sam Blanning(talk) 16:56, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I had checked all the pages I had listed at content review to make sure there was no evidence that their equivalent projectspace pages had ever existed. I had checked not only the deletion log for the equivalent pages but also did a google search to make sure they weren't listed in the old deletion log. The deletion of talk pages outside of article space with no equivalent main page was only added to the speedy deletion criteria on 8 April 2005. Before that time, it seems that Wikipedians did create wikipedia talk pages where there was no equivalent projectspace page where we would now use subpages. I agree that orphaned talk pages are a bad thing because they can cause confusion. However, I believe more care should have been taken when working on the list of orphaned talk pages, especially in the Wikipedia talk namespace. I think the discussion pages (with their history) should be undeleted and moved to subpages where they would make sense; i.e. Wikipedia talk:Clarity in Policy Discussion should be moved to Wikipedia talk:Blocking policy/Clarity in Policy Discussion; Wikipedia talk:Merge and delete should be moved to Deletion policy/Merge and delete; Wikipedia talk:How-to articles should be moved to Wikipedia talk:How-to/Archive (or somewhere, why let the discussion go to waste?). As for Wikipedia Talk:Slant Bias and ignored work, I managed to find the original discussion and the diff where it was moved. If there was any discussion after 6 August, it should be restored; if not, it doesn't really matter and the conversation can be moved back to the village pump archive. When/if the talk pages are moved to subpages, a redirect should be kept from their original location so that links do not break. It's quite frustrating when I want to read about how Wikipedia policies evolved and then find a link is broken. Graham 87 04:48, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Please reply on this page.
 * Moving the pages to places where they wouldn't be orphaned is a good idea. I'll start on that now. --Sam Blanning(talk) 10:31, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for restoring the pages. Could you delete User:Graham87/Wikipedia talk:Clarity in Policy Discussion, now that it's not needed? Graham 87 10:46, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Done. Thanks for your suggestion. --Sam Blanning(talk) 11:03, 24 December 2006 (UTC)