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 * I've replied by email. Graham 87 02:03, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Asiana Airlines Flight 214
hi and what happened to the um asiana page that got re-edited? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.126.227.24 (talk) 23:44, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

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 * notatum]]. Fleming coined the term "penicillin" to describe the filtrate of a broth culture of the Penicillium'' mould. Fleming asked C. J. La Touche to help identify the mould,

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Wikipedia study- Thank you
Hello Graham87, I hope you remember speaking to me in the summer of 2012 about your motivations for contributing to the health-related pages on Wikipedia. The great news is that the study got published this Wednesday in JMIR (Journal of Medical Internet Research). You can read it here: http://www.jmir.org/2014/12/e260 This would not have been possible without your contributions so once again, I would like to thank you for taking the time and sharing your experiences with me. I also wrote an entry about my own experience with the study, about additional observations and how I plan to further extend my research - published in the WMF blog today: https://blog.wikimedia.org.uk/2014/12/who-writes-wikipedias-health-and-medical-pages-and-why/If you have any comments or questions please get in touch.Perhaps see you at the next Wikimania conference in Mexico! Best Wishes Hydra Rain (talk) 21:04, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Haydn's keyboard sonatas
Not happy with the moves I hope that the articles come to say early that WE now may call the sonatas "piano sonatas" while Haydn just said Sonata and had first other keyboard instruments in mind? Bach's works were called keyboard concertos, for a good reason. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:57, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I've replied at the thread I've started about these moves at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Classical music. Graham 87 12:11, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I will look. More precisely, the moves are ok and possibly consistent with whatever (agree the numbers were confusing, changed the DYK nomination of one), but every single article should warn the reader that at least for the early ones, Haydn didn't think of the instruments we associate with piano. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:03, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

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Happy new year
Hi Graham. How are things?

Would you be able to give me some advice? A neighbour of mine has progressively lost his sight over the last ten years. He lives alone and so relies on broadcast radio for company a lot of the time. He's never owned a computer, mobile phone or mp3 player.

I'd like to set him up with a very simple mobile device that connects wirelessly to a broadband modem and that allows him to surf easily through a collection of streaming radio services by clicking a button, turning a dial etc. Does such a product exist, or can you think of another solution to getting this completely tech-illiterate older man access to the world's radio offerings that doesn't involve him learning anything new?

Any suggestions would be much appreciated. --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 06:44, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Happy New Year Graham87!


Happy New Year! Graham87, Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia. --I am  k6ka  Talk to me!   See what I have done  15:16, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

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Diabelli variations by Neal O'Doan
Hello Graham, I'm writing you from Spain. I would like to know, if is possible, the recorded date of Diabelli Variations of Neal O'Doan. I'm looking for it in the web but it has been impossible to find. I'm so crazy about the Diabelli Variations since my youth and I try to keep all versions as possible. By the way, happy new year and goodwill toward men! Thank you for your time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carfrino (talk • contribs) 13:42, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

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Suburb pages (from my user page)
Dear Graham, can you please stop editing suburb pages you do not live. Your contributions are negative. I dontunderstand how a blind man can keep removing suburb specific comments despite having not been and more importantly seeing whats changed............ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.156.16.71 (talk) 01:42, 11 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Could you tell me which suburbs you're talking about? Graham 87 03:50, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Heidelberg Zoo
Dear Graham, User:Dan_Koehl/Heidelberg_Zoo is ready for import to Heidelberg_Zoo. Best regards, Dan Koehl (talk) 00:37, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Bloody hell!

 * (Move log); 22:13 . . Graham87 (Talk | contribs) moved page Talk:Richard Casey, Baron Casey of Berwick to Talk:Richard Casey, Baron Casey over redirect ‎(revert)
 * (Deletion log); 22:13 . . Graham87 (Talk | contribs) restored page Talk:Richard Casey, Baron Casey of Berwick ‎(1 revision restored: history merge)
 * (Move log); 22:12 . . Graham87 (Talk | contribs) moved page Talk:Richard Casey, Baron Casey to Talk:Richard Casey, Baron Casey of Berwick ‎(history merge first edit)
 * (Deletion log); 22:12 . . Graham87 (Talk | contribs) deleted page Talk:Richard Casey, Baron Casey of Berwick ‎(G6: Deleted to make way for move)
 * (Deletion log); 22:08 . . Graham87 (Talk | contribs) restored page Richard Casey, Baron Casey of Berwick ‎(2 revisions restored: restore other edits)
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(Obviously), much better you than me! (I think that I now know why I don't want to be an admin. Good on you for being one!) Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 15:08, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Awwww, thanks! Graham 87 15:12, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

GWR 5700 Class
Hi Graham87. Many thanks for giving this article a good copy edit. I must admit that I thought I had to use ndash to get the right appearance (rather than hyphen), but now realise I can copy and paste. It leaves the source a lot cleaner and easier to read.

I must get into the habit of creating any alt text in a draft where I can look at the output - I think my copy editing is a lot better when I'm looking at some typeset output rather than the fixed space courier text in the edit area...

I've tried to add appropriate alt text for figures and also table summaries, but I've not yet addressed abbreviations. I am aware of the abbr template but it is not clear to me how I should use it and how frequently. For example the GWR 5700 Class article uses "GWR" over 100 times. I'm guessing that it would be tedious for someone using a screen reader to hear "Great Western Railway" read out every time "GWR" is mentioned in the article. On the other hand, I'm also guessing that screen readers probably try to read "GWR" as a word, rather than reading it out as "G W R".

My guess is that a sensible approach would be to fully expand "GWR" to "Great Western Railway" on the first use in each section, and after that use "G W R" after that. I must stress this is only my guess, and I'd appreciate input from someone who regularly uses a screen reader.

Thanks again for your help. Robevans123 (talk) 13:19, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
 * See How to make dashes. Personally I use the 'Edit page "Insert"' method, fourth row in the "Are you sure you want the long explanation?" box. -- Red rose64 (talk) 18:01, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

No worries mate...
Thanks for that. Much appreciated. Cheers,  St ★ lwart 1 1 1 13:52, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Ted Longshaw AfD closure bug?
Go to Articles_for_deletion/Log/2015_January_24 and go down to the Ted Longshaw AfD. It looks like all the other AfDs below it down to the bottom of the page were somehow sucked into the Longshaw closure template. Pax 02:00, 30 January 2015 (UTC)


 * TPS - - Fixed  - Somehow the  had got lost whilst being relisted, – Davey 2010 Talk 02:13, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks,  Pax, for the note, and thanks, Davey2010, for the fix (you beat me to it!) The missing ddiv was [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Ted_Longshaw&diff=644693456&oldid=643893759 my fault]; I inadvertently took the div out while trying to remove the relisting category. Graham 87 02:21, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
 * And I'll notify Pax properly this time; oops, I'm a dingus. Graham 87 02:28, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
 * You're welcome :), Graham we all makes mistakes don't worry about it :), BTW I hope you didn't mind me fixing it it's just I know some editors don't have a clue about closing tags and what not so thought I'd lend a helping hand :), Thanks, – Davey 2010 Talk 02:42, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Not at all. Graham 87 — Preceding undated comment added 03:04, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I'll try the notification again ... I'm not doing too well today. Graham 87 03:54, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

WP:FORMER
Hi. I see you've restored Boing! said Zebedee to the resysopped list. However, he was desysopped after that. I am quite curious as to why he should be restored to the resysopped admin list. He was only briefly resysopped. Porchcorpter 03:33, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

AtomsOrSystems Organization Name -- Reply
Hello Graham87, thank you for the welcome to the WikiProject! In response to your comment about my username here, I was unaware it was an organization name. I certainly didn't choose it for that, and a cursory Google search doesn't show any organizations to me with this name. I chose it because I'm both something of science nerd (chemistry, astronomy) and a literature nerd (Alexander Pope, "Atoms or Systems into ruin hurl'd..."). I've been using it as an internet handle for a while now, and would rather not change it; out of curiosity, can I ask what organization it represents? Thanks you again! AtomsOrSystems (talk) 03:52, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

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 * Metropolitan Statistical Area]]. The population was 3,970 at the 2010 census. Oakwood is home to the University of North Georgia Gainesville Campus and Wayne Farms.

Question
For articles regarding Australian subjects, is it typical to include a single link for Australian cities and states (e.g., Sydney, New South Wales) or two side-by-side links (e.g., Sydney, New South Wales)? For articles about American topics, we strongly favor a single link (e.g., Atlanta, Georgia), rather than two separate side-by-side links for city and state. That being said, if most Australian editors favor two links for Australian city and state, I will happily comply when working on articles about Australian subjects. Please advise. Thanks. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 10:02, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * For Australian topics, it's usually better to write something like "the Sydney suburb of Parramatta" or "the South Australian town of Oodnadatta" (hey, that rhymes!), with the links only pointing to the local place names as in the examples. For state/territory capitals, there's no need to specify which state or territory they're in, and perhaps not as much need to link the really well-known ones like Sydney and Melbourne. Graham 87 10:45, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Graham, I thank you for your response and I appreciate the stylistic answer you've given regarding prose. My question is asked in the context of infoboxes for Australian athletes, for their places of birth and death as shown therein.  Are you suggesting that I just list the city, without the state?  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 10:51, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Yep, if it's a state/territory capital. Graham 87 10:53, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * More at WP:SPECIFICLINK. -- Red rose64 (talk) 12:44, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * RedRose, as I understand the general rule of SPECIFICLINK, it would argue in favor of the single links "Sydney, New South Wales" or "Sydney", but not the side-by-side links "Sydney, New South Wales", since New South Wales is not the more specific link to a person's birthplace. Of course, without a specific example on point, SPECIFICLINK is subject to interpretation in this specific instance.  I was hoping for a consistent rule to follow in the presentation of the places of birth and death shown in infoboxes for Australian athletes; instead, I've discovered increasing levels of complexity, nuance and potential variations.  There are also editors who will insist on listing "Sydney, New South Wales, Australia", sometimes with links for city, state and nation.  I'm less certain what to do now than I was before I asked.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 13:09, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * The idea is to use only one link. What that link should be is dependent on personal preference and space constraints, i.e. either "Sydney" or "Sydney, New South Wales" should be fine, but I don't think that "Sydney, New South Wales" is necessarily wrong. Sydney is quite a well-known place: for somewhere like Woy Woy, New South Wales I would give that link in full, and I would definitely do that for Newcastle, New South Wales since there are many other towns and cities called Newcastle. But adding "Australia" to any of these I would consider to be very much (except that my edit summary would be "oceania, earth, the solar system, the milky way"). -- Red rose64 (talk) 15:16, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, RR. That's the sort of endorsement I was seeking.  From the way some of you folks talk about Australia as a small place, you would never know that it had 24 million people and was bigger than the Lower 48 States, but I digress.  (And, no, I must confess I had not heard of Woy Woy.)  Your "Oceania, Earth . . ." postal address reminds me of an old real estate lawyer yarn: .  I've heard variations of the supposedly "true story" for Florida and Texas, too, but this is the version for Louisiana.  Enjoy, and thanks to both of you for your advice.  Cheers.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 23:23, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Lol, I hadn't heard about that one! Graham 87 04:50, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Carter Woodson entry
I noticed that you are a frequent contributor to the Carter G. Woodson page. I will be leading a 10-week after school program for middle school students at the Woodson elementary school in Chicago. It is a low-performing school. I want to show the students how empowering Wikipedia can be. As a class we will be making contributions to the Carter G. Woodson page and perhaps create a school page for the Woodson elementary school. It would be great if you would provide patient, editorial reviews of their work.

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And another . ..
Graham, in Australian English, is it acceptable to use the "m" for metres abbreviation in prose? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 14:17, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Yep, its used the same way as it is in any other variety of English, as far as I'm aware. Graham 87 14:28, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Speaking as an American, it would not be preferred to use distance abbreviations in formal writing, either English or metric, outside of parentheticals. There may be a slight preference for them in American technical writing, but British and Commonwealth English seem to be much further along in their acceptance of abbreviations in prose than American English.  The bottom line, however, is Australians will not blink an eye at the use of "m" for metres in a newspaper or encyclopedia article, especially when the context is clear (e.g., "100 m dash").  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 14:44, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Precious again
  advice and vision

Thank you for helping me to English my Germanic wording, to make me create articles instead of interwiki-links, and for moving articles sensibly. I award you a Yogo sapphire, sparkling and rare, on the day when the other Graham's string quartet Chinese Whispers (new article today) receives a prize, - you are an awesome Wikipedian (23 September 2009)!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:39, 18 February 2012 (UTC) Three years ago, you were the 21st recipient of my  Pumpkin Sky Prize, - and I work on more string quartets ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:17, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Gerda. Graham 87 12:18, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Regarding crayola article
The article contradicted itself, by saying 'There are now 48, 72 (etc...) number of crayola crayons' plus there are 128 in a box. — Preceding unsigned comment added by K scheik (talk • contribs) 14:40, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

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