User talk:Graham87/Archive 33

Classic 100 (Swoon)
Hi Graham,

Can you help again with Classic 100 Swoon (ABC)? A new editor created the page, which was promptly listed for deletion, but that tag has now been removed. It always needs several people to keep up. The presenters need to be added to the template as they become known. I have added the two I know so far. Cheers, Whiteghost.ink (talk) 00:28, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Chromatic
I didn't forget Bach, but work on Nielsen first, - birthday tomorrow, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:44, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, so it is! Graham 87 10:44, 8 June 2015 (UTC)


 * under construction ;) - also GA review, feel free to fix problems, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:47, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Former administrators/reason/for cause
Hello, Graham87, I made an edit to this page but was unsure about the "last edit" column and what would be appropriate for an editor who is still active. I saw you've edited the page and I'm hoping you can finish the entry. Thank you! Liz Read! Talk! 16:08, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that; I've filled in the column. I'm waiting for Kevin Gorman's sysop status to be resolved before updating the lists fully. My schedule's also been a bit wonky for the past week or so, for various reasons. Graham 87 02:11, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I appreciate you filling in the date. I wasn't clear on what that meant.
 * I'm glad that these pages are maintained because I read a lot of old ArbCom and ANI cases and it's nice to have a quick source of information with a link to more details should I want to look into it. It seems like every situation is a little different and, held at a different time, some of these cases would have results which would have been different. Liz  Read! Talk! 19:26, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

WP:RESYSOPS
Do you think it would be worthwhile adding 'Return following removal for inactivity' or "Return following self-request for removal" to the relevant lines? –xenotalk 17:46, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Probably, but I'm too lazy to do it myself. :-) It's in the modern logs after all, but not the older ones, which would be a reason for adding that information. Graham 87 01:42, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

Why reverted my edition in the page Climate of Scotland?
Why reverted my edition in the page Climate of Scotland?, the information is very true, Russia are in same latitude of Scotland - 189.102.4.8 (talk) 19:30, 17 June 2015 (UTC).

Unable to delete certain revision
Hey Graham, hope things are well with you. Came across a problem while histmerging that I hope you might be able to help me with. I histmerged Shadows of the Rainbow with Indradhanura Chhai by moving the former over the latter, deleting the whole thing and then undeleting the revisions I wanted (couldn't use Special:MergeHistory because of some overlapping edits). Anyway, it all seemed to go well except I noticed one revision in the publicly viewable history that I had meant to leave deleted. I thought at first I just must have misclicked or something, but after trying several more times I still couldn't get that revision to stay deleted. The other 4 edits that I wanted to leave deleted stayed deleted every time. I gave it a break and tried again 18 hours later but still had the same result. Has anything like this ever happened to you before? If I can't get it to delete properly, should I RevDel it? Cheers, Jenks24 (talk) 14:38, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I've encountered this problem several times; it's because deleted revisions are identified by timestamp rather than revision ID, so it's impossible to separate two edits with exactly the same timestamp. RevDel the errant revision if you like, but I myself don't do this because it doesn't really solve the primary problem of a mess in the page history. Graham 87 15:27, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the link, interesting reading. Slightly irritating nothing has been done about it but what can you do. I'll just leave it as is I guess and hope that one day the devs get around to making deleted revisions identified by ID. Cheers, Jenks24 (talk) 15:44, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Christ, unser Herr, zum Jordan kam
I would like to move that hymn to Christ unser Herr zum Jordan kam, which is presently a redirect to the cantata by Bach which was moved to Christ unser Herr zum Jordan kam, BWV 7. Both the cantata and the image have no comma, - they appeared later in more modern German. What do you think? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:59, 21 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Sounds like a good idea to me. All done. Graham 87 01:29, 22 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Great, thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:06, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Tibet
Hello, Graham87 -- As a fellow copy-editor, I appreciate all the work you do to find and correct small errors in Wikipedia articles. I would just like to point out something to you. I was looking at your recent edits to Tibet in which you changed two instances of "which" to "that". I know that, generally, "which" is used for non-restrictive (non-identifying) clauses and "that" is used for restrictive (identifying) clauses, but for many people, "which" and "that" are equally acceptable and correct for restrictive clauses. See this entry from the Chicago Manual of Style, particularly the statement near the end: Thus, I would not go through articles systematically changing all instances of "which" used for restrictive clauses to "that". When you see "which" used several times for restrictive clauses in one section or short article, you might change a few to vary the language a bit. Otherwise, I would leave them. CorinneSD (talk) 15:33, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note. It's not something I'm planning on changing systematically, but the first example I modified sounded really, really aweful to me. Graham 87 16:00, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply. I agree with you, and I probably would have changed it myself if I had seen it. The second one for some reason sounds a little better, and both "which" and "that" would work there. CorinneSD (talk) 00:09, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

Slashdot page history prev/next messed up, possibly related to imports
The previous/next links for some of the oldest edits in Slashdot, which you imported with this edit in 2010, have bad "prev/next" links, as do the edits the bad "prev/next" links link to.

See for affected diffs.
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Slashdot&diff=prev&oldid=340880161
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Slashdot&diff=next&oldid=340743644
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Slashdot&diff=next&oldid=340880159
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Slashdot&diff=prev&oldid=340880156

At first glance it looks like this is is a defect in the MediaWiki software, in that it assumes that revision-numbers are chronological for the purposes of prev/next.

The ideal fix would be to make it a user setting: "Have PREV/NEXT use dates OR revision-IDs" AND have the pages displayed by "PREV/NEXT" or "diff with PREV/NEXT" include an alert on the few occasions where the date-order and revision-order differ.

Should I open a bug report or is this a known "never going to be fixed" problem? davidwr/ (talk)/(contribs)  20:28, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

Hey dingus!
Dinghy, Please stop unplugging our phones. It is really bad and we might even have to file bankruptcy because of your stupidness. Also, you should definitely move here.

This comment was intentionally not signed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.107.192.37 (talk) 02:48, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I have a crazy group of friends. Graham 87 02:51, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
 * If I'm supposed to be your friend, I shouldn't even be editing! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.107.192.37 (talk) 02:54, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
 * That is correct. Graham 87 02:58, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

Adminship
Why not, he says? I can think of several reasons. :-)

Seriously - thanks for your support at my RfA. I shall strive to be worthy of the honor. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 05:51, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Processing images with tongues
"The Food and Drug Administration today allowed marketing of a new device that when used along with other assistive devices, like a cane or guide dog, can help orient people who are blind by helping them process visual images with their tongues." (I learned about this at WT:MED, which is on my watchlist.) —Wavelength (talk) 21:06, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * FDA allows marketing of new device to help the blind process visual signals via their tongues (June 18, 2015)
 * Thanks, sounds interesting! Graham 87 01:49, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Time stamps
I don't mind at all :) WhisperToMe (talk) 02:30, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Sir Tom?
Hi Graham87. I was just looking at Nicholas Winton, currently appearing on main page, and I was wondering what "the rules" were. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:08, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I was under the impression that honorifics weren't really part of a person's name in Wikipedia. I tried to use the honorific_prefix field of Template:Infobox person but its appearance was a bit weird ... so I gave up and re-added the "Sir" in the infobox as well. The articles about Elton John and Cliff Richard are formatted that way too. Graham 87 11:25, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I just thought we ought to be consistent either way. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:28, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

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Mark Stockwell
Hey, Graham. I thought you would be interested to know that Mark Stockwell, an article you reviewed and helped prep for GA review, was promoted to Good Article today. Cheers. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 20:04, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Awesome, great work! Glad I could help out. Graham 87 07:28, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

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Your extreme anti-British agenda
Dear Graham, what on earth is all this bl**dy nonsense about? It isn't really on my radar except I watch Katherine Jenkins and it looks to me like these edits are not generally helpful. In fact, isn't there some blurb somewhere about not changing within-UK nationalities for this very reason? I am not really in the right place to start checking all the other edits from this user but they do seem to have an agenda. ANI or something??? cheers DBaK (talk) 09:05, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh dear. What a pain. I wish I could remember where I had seen some sort of guideline. I will try and have a look - I think it was real! In the meantime, keep the flags flying and good luck with your nationalist extremism! :) Cheers DBaK (talk) 09:22, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Drive-by comment from an officious interloper: FYI, I just noticed this discussion when I stopped by Graham's talk page.  I thought you both might be interested to know that there is an evolving consensus to mention both the British citizenship and the home country nationality (i.e. English, Scottish, Welsh, Northern Irish) of British biography subjects.  Obviously, this is a topic of some sensitivity to some editors and article subjects, but most of the world identifies Brits as Brits, and then as English, Scots or Welsh.  How that might be accomplished in the Katharine Jenkins article -- or any particular article, for that matter -- remains to be determined, but I thought you might be interested in reviewing and/or participating in this discussion here: here.  Cheers.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 13:54, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Reading discussions like that makes my head hurt. :-) Graham 87 14:36, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, I know. From personal experience.  Most folks want to be reasonable, and the obvious compromise is . . . well, obvious, but some folks like to hear the sound of their own voice.  And even when 80+ percent are in agreement (at least in principle), there is always a user who is a Scottish nationalist or British ultra who wants to argue "my way or the highway".  Bottom line: Katharine Jenkins is Welsh and British, and we should try to find a reasonable way to acknowledge her two-tiered nationality/citizenship in the article.  FYI, requiring "United Kingdom" in the infobox birth place parameter hasn't even been mentioned.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 14:50, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh dear. :( DBaK (talk) 18:12, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Drive-by comment from an interficious offiloper: good job no-one's mentioned Cornwall. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:39, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Awwww, thanks! Graham 87 13:24, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Sound list
Hi Graham. I thought you might be interested in this thread at the Village Pump. Cheers.Anythingyouwant (talk) 00:30, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note. Graham 87 02:06, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi again, Graham. This sound list is actually being helpful now, thanks to some advice from the Village Pump.  I have been adding a lot of audio stuff to Wikipedia articles that has been sitting around at Wikimedia Commons unused.  I have a question for you about one file that I found: this one seems pretty good but the volume seems a bit low, especially at the beginning of the play time.  Do you know a way to modify the file so the volume is a little higher?  Also, I guess the performer information is at Musopen but I'm not sure how to find it.  Cheers.Anythingyouwant (talk) 03:15, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I just put the file in Audacity and amplified it, which has helped a bit. It sounds like it was performed on an electric harpsichord or something; the volume shouldn't fluctuate like that. I can't find the performer info on Musopen either. Graham 87 04:07, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks Graham.Anythingyouwant (talk) 04:11, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Is it okay if I ask you questions about music? You're much more knowledgeable about this stuff than me.  Here's a question for you....I can't get this guy to play: .  MIDI files have always worked okay for me, but this one won't.  Does it work for you?  Best, Anythingyouwant (talk) 07:36, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Sure, fire away. As for the MIDI file, it doesn't work for me, either. Graham 87 07:48, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I guess I'll contact the uploader before putting it up for deletion.  Cheers.Anythingyouwant (talk) 07:52, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Bot request
FYI, I have requested a bot.Anythingyouwant (talk) 02:11, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Reverts in Bart Bunting and Nathan Chivers
I saw your reverts in those articles. Some of the guide lines of wikipedia say it's OK to correct that kind of typos, for example: Typo Team. It would be kind of strange to propagate a simple mistake that is easily identifiable and correctable.

I'm not going to correct it again, those are not articles I'm familiar with, if you think it's best not to correct them, consider putting a sic there.

Aisteco (talk) 02:26, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Question at Help desk about revision history of Mercury (element)
Please see Help desk. An editor is noting some entries in the edit history that seem to be out of date order. One of the mentioned edits has your name on it, per this link. I didn't realize that edits out of order were possible, but it could be due to some techniques of history merging that you use. Also I don't know if it's a problem. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 18:33, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Volume boost
Hi Graham. If you have a moment, the ogg file here could sure use a volume boost, especially given that it's a featured article. Cheers.Anythingyouwant (talk) 22:35, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't feel comfortable dealing with this one, as my sound-editing knowledge is very limited, and I don't know how to increase the volume of the recording without increasing the volume of the background noise. Graham 87 05:10, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Sure, no problem. I've often used the  Graphics Lab to fix visual images.  Do you know if there's a place to go for hep in fixing sound recordings?  It sounds like a very beautiful opera performance.Anythingyouwant (talk) 05:14, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Nope I don't, unfortunately. The only person I know who *might* be able to help is Adam Cuerden. Graham 87 05:40, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I can possibly help. If I can, you'll know in an hour. Adam Cuerden (talk) 06:37, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Must be said the second half - as is common - is better than the first. There's a tendency to listen to the opening more often than the ends, not to mention - if this is a record, not a cylinder - fingers touch the edge. Adam Cuerden (talk) 07:27, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, sounds much better, considering how much noise there was on the original recording! Now that you mention it, it makes sense that the first half would have a lower quality than the second. In any case, the tenor souns like he had a beautiful voice. (I'm not sure if you're ping to Anythingyouwant worked because you didn't originally sign your message, so I'll try again here for good measure.) Graham 87 07:43, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Just ask me if you need more help. Haven't done this since featured sounds died (must bring it back sometime, but there's a lot of obstacles with people who really want to make it non-viable from the start by requiring such high standards that we couldn't possibly get anything that would satisfy them). Adam Cuerden (talk) 09:17, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Hey, I just woke up, and what a nice surprise. That's much much better, thanks Adam.  I will go make sure it's installed at the featured article if it's not already.  Cheers.  And I will make sure not to get my fingers all over the record.  :-)Anythingyouwant (talk) 12:43, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Graham87, in case you weren't aware, there is some further discussion about this, at Adam's page. Cheers.Anythingyouwant (talk) 16:36, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

North-east
With regards to this edit please see MOS:COMPASS it is "north-east" in British English not "northeast". -- PBS (talk) 09:32, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Seeking advice from an administrator:
I was accused of harassing another user. This is a user that is edit warring for months and deletes all the warnings from their talk page - and just continues the edit warring.

I went ahead "as a friendly reminder" and re-inserted the warnings onto the talk page in order to remind the user of all the warnings.

A third user now came and reverted my edit and then threatened to block me for harassment.

Is putting back warnings on another user's talk page considered harassment? Should I stop?

I thought that I am free to edit another user's talk page and they are free to delete it. Am I wrong? Caseeart (talk) 03:17, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * No, you should never re-instate anything that someone has deleted from their talk page. There's a small exception in the case of an open request for a block review, which should not be deleted. But otherwise, the assumumption is that an editor has read warnings when they delete them, and putting them back serves no purpose other than to annoy the editor - after all, the warnings are clearly visible in the talk page history. Hope that helps. --RexxS (talk) 23:53, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
 * No, you should never re-instate anything that someone has deleted from their talk page. There's a small exception in the case of an open request for a block review, which should not be deleted. But otherwise, the assumumption is that an editor has read warnings when they delete them, and putting them back serves no purpose other than to annoy the editor - after all, the warnings are clearly visible in the talk page history. Hope that helps. --RexxS (talk) 23:53, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

A Barnstar For You

 * Thank you very much! I Appreciate it. Graham 87 01:53, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Much deserved!  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) Please &#123;&#123;re&#125;&#125; 02:20, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Need some screen-reader advice, etc.
Hey, Graham. We need some help with screen-reader and typography issues for the reference/footnote glyphs to be used for an infobox explanatory note. Can you weigh in here: Template talk:Infobox NFL player? Thanks. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 01:35, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Graham you are factually incorrect please advise how email marketing is eDM and you deleted this page
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_direct_marketing_eDM — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tothebeat.ceo (talk • contribs) 05:22, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Electronic Direct Marketing
Graham,

if the 2 issues you have are amended will you help publish this valuable topic? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tothebeat.ceo (talk • contribs) 05:54, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

History question
Hi Graham. Sorry to always be bugging you about history/histmerge questions, but I find you generally give the best responses. I'm wondering if you could take a look over User talk:Czar and the history of Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them (film), and give me your opinion on what should be done. Cheers, Jenks24 (talk) 17:00, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I've replied there. Graham 87 05:33, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Reference errors on 22 August
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BWV 149
Surprise: we have 2 articles on the topic, see Talk:Man singet mit Freuden vom Sieg in den Hütten der Gerechten, BWV 149, the other being Man singet mit Freuden vom Sieg, BWV 149. The first one is the older one, but the second one has the correct name. I trust that you can merge content and history, keeping generously, then we can prune duplicates. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:41, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't really feel that comfortable doing a content merge, but I will do a history swap when that is done. Graham 87 08:04, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Where should the content be merged? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:16, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Never mind that, actually. I've swapped the histories around so you can do whatever you like re: merges now. Graham 87 08:53, 25 August 2015 (UTC)


 * You mean I can now merge content on Man singet mit Freuden vom Sieg, BWV 149 and make the other a redirect when done? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:56, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, exactly. Graham 87 09:13, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Done, and helped further by Alakzi, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:25, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Mass in B minor structure
The talk of the above article is currently at Talk:Description of the Mass in B minor, can you fix that please? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:00, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * All done. Graham 87 15:59, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Excellent, - can't believe that I noticed only now, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:23, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Komm, Jesu, komm
I would like to see this moved - in consistency with other Bach motets - to Komm, Jesu, komm, BWV 229, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:27, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
 * All done. Graham 87 12:46, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:51, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Removal of external link
Hello Graham87, you recently deleted an external link I changed on the following site: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distraction_osteogenesis Why is it inappropriate? I just wanted to refer to the website of the FITBONE producer- a possibility to get informed about the therapy and the operation. If it's inappropriate, I don't understand why these links haven't been deleted yet: http://leg-limb-stature-lengthening-taller-height-increase-cosmetic.eu/www/us/index.php http://limblengtheningdoc.org/limb_lengthening_intro.html

Thank you very much for your response! I'd just like to understand the reasons for articles/ links being deleted. Kind regards, Amanaus — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amanaus (talk • contribs) 11:02, 31 August 2015 (UTC)