User talk:Graham87/Archive 55

Query re Phab
Re T298638... Does the  div on the xkcd site itself not work?

Also, to keep this on-topic for enwiki, some wikiarchaeology for you: Are you aware that we once had an IP admin? I've been blowing people's minds with that lately. If you knew that one, I've got a back-up fun fact too.

Oh, P.S., re a11y, Special:Diff/1072160462/1074848630 may interest you (more as a point of interest than as something to use; I'm guessing you don't need anything to flag for you when such issues arise). Very much in beta for now, but... -- Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she/they) 15:46, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
 * (Oh, noticing your talk header, I generally prefer to keep discussion on one page, but don't mind kicking it oldschool across talkpages if you'd rather.) --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she/they) 15:52, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah I've gotten more meh about the talk page conversation location as time goes on, so I'll just reply here. Re XKDC: nope, the transcript div doesn't work under Chrome in either JAWS or NVDA, the two main Windows screen readers. I didn't bother testing it on Firefox/Edge because both screen readers are reasonably well optimised for Chrome these days. Nope, I did not know about the IP admin ... tell me more? And the other fun fact would be interesting too. Graham 87 15:57, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh also, cool re CSS, but you're right that I wouldn't actually use it myself much; I'd prefer to fix these issues as I notice them. But there's a typo in there ... "turorial" should be "tutorial". Graham 87 15:58, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Well I've always suspected Randall has some account other than the long-dormant user:xkcd, so who knows, maybe he'll see this. Either way, good to know. By the way, Wugapodes has proposed adding  and   prefixes to the interwiki sitemap. Perhaps then we could get a nice template that would do something like  . (I mean, we could do that now— xkcd 315explained—but the interwiki linking would add a certain imprimatur.Anyways! IP admin. My source for this is User:NoSeptember/Early admins (20 Sept 2002), which contains the line July 2001 as 61.9.128.xxx. I assume that was back when "adminship" meant access to the shared "admin password"? Sadly, there do not seem to be any (surviving) diffs of the IP engaging in any sort of administrative activity. Robert, a fellow-countryman of yours, is still around, so someone sufficiently curious could ping them.My other fun wikiarchaeology fact is that a number is blocked. Not an IP. Not an autoblock number. Not an all-digits username. This line in BlockList shows that at 18:09 on 13 February 2004,  blocked the number 1703. If you fiddle around with "hide" parameters, you'll see that BlockList considers it to be an account block, but  does not exist. That's the fourth block of the BlockList era. Which, as you probably know, goes back farther than the Special:Log/block era, leading to cases like, who has no block notice on their contribs page or if you try to edit their userpage, and no block log entry , but is listed by NavPopups as "BLOCKED". XTools says both that they've never been blocked, and that their current block length is indefinite! Quarry, hopefully, settles it. I'd love to know what they'd see if they logged in, though... Wonder if anyone around now has an alt that got blocked back then.[Add post-EC] Y'know I think someone else pointed that out, and my (light-hearted) snarky reply to them was "so get IntAdmin and fix it". But yes, I should fix that, and might even remember to this time.  --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she/they) 16:32, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah sounds cool re XKDC.
 * Re IP admin: yes I'm very familiar with that user. They weren't able to log in though because of cookie issues (see User talk:Robert Merkel/ancient). They also wouldn't have been an admin because to use the shared password, you had to be able to log in (which they couldn't do until the phase II software) came out.
 * Wow re weird block ... sorry, I've gone and ruined it though out of principle ... if you search for "#1703" at Block log/Archive1, you'll notice that it really should have been unblocked earlier but for some reason the software wouldn't let that happen. I found the block ID through a fork of your query and found out from another query that the user ID referred to a user named Lsmkirkpatrick. Hehehe re typo! I'd better be off to bed now ... it's getting late here. Graham 87 17:14, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
 * (Pssstttt... Special:Redirect/user/3207.) --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she/they) 17:30, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Lol I thought there must've been a better way ... Graham 87 17:32, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Here's an interesting one I'm not going to ruin from the list of earliest still-existing blocks ... Invalid username 68022~enwiki, which, according to the block log archive linked above, was "Ê¹€ì¼ì„±" ... your guess is as good as mine re what that was supposed to represent; this site doesn't shed any light on the matter. Now it's really bedtime for me. Graham 87 17:46, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
i luv u, thanks for making wikipedia better. keep going <3

Jhontenshi (talk) 20:10, 3 March 2022 (UTC) 

File:Baby Let Me Take You Home Animals label.jpg
Hello. I requested an un-hiding of the prior revision(s) of File:Baby Let Me Take You Home Animals label.jpg at WP:REFUND. However, no one replied to my request there. The RonBot, which you locally unblocked due to global locking of the bot, hid this. I wonder whether you can undo the bot's hiding. The other similar image is tagged as "PD-ineligible-USonly" was undeleted as the result of the. I then change this image's status as PD-USonly. --George Ho (talk) 23:49, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm not going to do that on principle because I'm blind and can't see the image. I don't object to another admin doing the unhiding though. Graham 87 03:35, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Teeth
I made a number of Wikipedia additions of teeth numbers of various animals and I think you reverted them all as I did not include a reference. It is well known that these animals have a similar 32 teeth pattern probably coming from the similar DNA but I can not find online references to source the fact.--Mark v1.0 (talk) 14:57, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Edits on Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union
Hi Graham87, you've reverted my edit on Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union, and your edit summary was: "Undid revision 1075629262 by Edcolins (talk), yes but it shouldn't be in the see also section per the guideline cited in their edit summary". Hmm, I am afraid I don't really understand your edit summary since my edit did not relate to the "see also" section and did not refer to any guidelines in their edit summary (see ). I did later in two unrelated edits. Can you please explain, so that I can better understand this? Thanks. --Edcolins (talk) 07:47, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Um whoops! I somehow got it into my head that Onkel a, rather than you, had made this earlier edit and thought you'd reverted that for some reason ... I obviously didn't check the diff of your edit at all. I've self-reverted. Graham 87 07:53, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks! --Edcolins (talk) 07:57, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

s/b/:
I was going to RfD the first of these, and then saw the second, and noticed that they were created six months apart by two IPs that (at least today) are on two separate continents.

Any idea what happened here (and whether it's worth preserving)? Both get pageviews, although neither gets enough to know whether anyone's deliberately navigating to these pages. -- Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she/they) 00:11, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Wow that's a new one for me ... I have no idea what happened. I don't think we need to keep it around though. Graham 87 00:22, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Susquehanna County demographic data
Hi. I'm a bit puzzled. Obviously, you're much more familiar than I am with the ins and outs of this article and its history, the track record of that other editor, and so on. But looking narrowly at the present case, it seemed to me that the data was relevant and, in most cases, duly sourced. And your "we don't care" certainly didn't give me confidence in your good faith.

I mean, I'm sure there's a procedure for getting someone banned from editing an article if there's a history of disruption; but, short of that, it's not appropriate to revert an edit solely because of who made it, where the specific edit might be unobjectionable, right? Jcejhay (talk) 13:34, 12 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Just saw your reply. Well, that all makes sense and I can gladly defer to you here. I will leave you with the thought that if you had explained your original reversion with something like "this level of detail is out of keeping with the standard for this type of article" rather than "we don't care," I never would have questioned your good faith or your expertise. Jcejhay (talk) 15:01, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Reversion of edit to Prehensile tail as of March 15 2022
Can you please explain why you reverted my edit to Prehensile Tail. --96.235.136.2 (talk) 12:12, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Dust Bowl
Would you unprotect Dust Bowl? It's been more than eight years since you protected it. Maybe the petty vandals of eight years ago have grown up, so it's worth a try to see what happens. 49.198.51.54 (talk) 09:19, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
 * In that case, please replace

With insufficient understanding of the ecology of the plains, farmers had conducted extensive deep plowing of the virgin topsoil of the Great Plains during...


 * with

With insufficient understanding of the ecology of the Great Plains, farmers had conducted extensive deep plowing of the virgin topsoil during...


 * Also, there are several appearances of the phrase "the plains" and one of "the northern plains", and in all of them, "plains" should be replaced with "Plains". 49.198.51.54 (talk) 09:26, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
 * It's shorthand for the Great Plains, not some offhand reference to plains in general, or eighteenth Century archaic Capitalisation. The introduction to Great Plains uses this capitalisation:

The Great Plains (Grandes Plaines), sometimes simply "the Plains", is a broad expanse of flatland in North America.


 * If it's appropriate in the Great Plains article's lead, why is it inappropriate in the Dust Bowl article? 49.198.51.54 (talk) 10:08, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

help with Bach
Thank you for your help with Bach's works and his No. 1 especially today! - The image shows an abundance of little yellow spring flowers and a few pinkish ones. - Prayer for Ukraine. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:09, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Sunday flowers and sounds, don't miss the extraordinary marriage of the beginnings of the theme of Wie schön leuchtet der Morgenstern, BWV 1, and Prayer for Ukraine - here! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:55, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Re: Dealing with Vandalism
Hello! Thanks for your comment on my talk page. My apologies I did not notice the other vandalism present on said pages. I am interested in your suggestion of the Counter-Vandalism tools you provided. Which one would you recommend for a beginner? Thanks! UndeadAnarchy (talk) 03:25, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Move?
Hi, Graham, could you please move Boris Lyatoshinsky to Borys Lyatoshynsky, as the article says, and I find in international concert announcements? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:08, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I'd prefer that this case go through requested moves rather than me doing anything unilaterally. It's been moved around quite a bit already], and I think its title should be established by community discussion once and for all. I know that there's a trend to use Ukrainian transliterations due to recent events, so I think the move would have a good chance of getting through the requested moves process. Graham 87 10:22, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 * The article is in conflict with the article title, - do you suggest to change the article to the Russian version, now? - I suggest you move it boldly, and see what happens. My prediction: nothing. We could still discuss if it proves problematic. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:37, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 * You're probably right that it'd be fairly uncontroversial, but I still think it'd be better to discuss it first. There's no rush; a move like this can wait a couple of weeks and the bolded version of the title being different isn't that big a deal here IMO. A bold edit as a normal editor is one thing; one that can *only* be done with advanced tools is quite another. Graham 87 11:50, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 * understand, and don't have time for a RM, and don't want another battlefield with national concerns, - too many articles about people who died - I'll ask one more --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:31, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Another old page history investigation
Hola Graham. I happened across a random archive of deletion discussions from February 2007 - User:BL~enwiki/New VFD. There are a number of red links in it where the titles don't exist even as deleted. Can you tell me what happened there? For example, Abuse/old is supposed to be where an old version of Abuse was moved to. I'm interested in the mechanics of that rather than the content. I suspect some may exist in the May 2003 database dump, as you recovered one in 2013, Arguments. If so, I'd be very grateful if you could dig out Article title length ("funny random crap"), References Used, and The last page (also random crap but sounds like classic early wiki japes). Cheers! —  Scott  •  talk  22:21, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
 * they're all listed at Deletion log/February 2004 (3) and aren't in the modern Wikipedia database due to a crash in June 2004; see footnote c at Viewing and restoring deleted pages. They're not in the May 2003 database dump ... I've gone and programmatically checked many (not quite all, but honestly most of the interesting ones) of the pages in that dump that have revisions missing from the current database (see User:Graham87/SHA-1). Re "the last page", you can see what I did there now. Graham 87 23:55, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Also see this old discussion we had ... I since got the deletion logs restored. Graham 87 00:05, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Edit-warring, personal attacks and other concerning behaviour from an IP user
Hi, I got your name from the list of recently active admins at ANI. I've been having a few problems with an IP user from Sydney editing under various addresses who seems to very interested in the history of scouting. Known IPs:1, 2, [], [], []

They have posted personal attacks on a talkpage, I wasn't particularly bothered at the time because the whole thing was about which was the correct tag to use on an article(!), but it seems to be part of a pattern of behaviour. []

They are edit warring across multiple pages, with regards to the content of the lede. As there are two users involved, I reverted back to the status quo prior to their edits (different from both proposed ledes) prior to discussion on the talk page. Unfortunately this was almost immediately reverted and messages explaining the situation and asking to self revert were ignored. [], [], [].

A further concern is their changing of section headings detailing the lives of the subjects of the above articles to "Non-notable details", which is clearly connected to their merger nomination of the 3 articles.

I wonder if it would be possible for you to revert the ledes of the 3 articles to the versions which were in place prior to their edits in order for discussion to occur without edit-warring? In the diffs above my edits have the original lede while preserving the IP users edits to the body text.

In terms of the users behaviour, perhaps a quiet word from a third party to advise them to be less confrontational might help?

Apologies for bothering you if you are unable to help with this, any advice about alternatives would be welcome. Boynamedsue (talk) 06:57, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
 * ... can you actually ... go to ANI? I don't want to get involved in a dispute like this. Graham 87 07:06, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
 * No problem you not wanting to get involved, I fully understand. Is ANI not a big step though? Boynamedsue (talk) 07:10, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah, a bit, but it's the smallest one we have that's appropriate to the situation ... Graham 87 07:12, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Cheers, thanks for the advice. Boynamedsue (talk) 07:15, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your note
I'm glad you had a laugh over my comment on the AfD for the "coalition" article that was so bad. I'm a retired 40-year survivor of first-year college student essays, and my disposition has always been first to try to be kind to the writer. About a month into my first teaching experience, though, as a matter of survival I took Kenny Rogers' lyric about poker games to heart: "You've got to know when to hold 'em / Know when to fold 'em / Know when to walk away/ Know when to run..." Not such bad advice for WP editors, either. Grand&#39;mere Eugene (talk) 02:00, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Please use edit summaries on reverting edits
As far as I can see Special:Diff/1082505936 reverting an accepted revision without explanation is both not best practice and also not acceptable. In passing I note the level-3 vital wheel article has been a significant vandalism target and may be unsuitable for the pending changes set by if that is simply going to cause problems. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 17:29, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
 * OK Just noted you blocked the IP who made that edit. That is a reason for the reversion, though one of the wl.'s was actually quite useful.Djm-leighpark (talk) 17:34, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Draft over Redirect, and how to preserve edit history?
Hi, again! I notice your interest in reading article edit histories, so I think you are the right person to ask about an issue I haven't dealt with before:

I've had a request from to review and comment on Draft:Ron Diamond, and I noticed after the draft was started another editor created a redirect, Ron Diamond. The draft needs only a bit of cleanup to be ready for article space, but how to move it there without losing the edit history for either the new article or the redirect? ...or am I overthinking why the new article text should not be cut and pasted over the redirect? Grand&#39;mere Eugene (talk) 20:21, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Many thanks for your help! Grand&#39;mere Eugene (talk) 04:10, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

New administrator activity requirement
22:52, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

You've blocked a range of Optus IP addresses - I'm caught in it
Hi Graham You set this block User:49.197.0.0/16

Seems a bit indiscriminate - it's stopping me from editing. Any chance of lifting it or do I have to wait until next year or DHCP gives me some other IP address?

Cheers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cockerilla (talk • contribs) 07:30, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Ukraine
The image shows little blue flowers in star shape among dry leaves on the forest floor, photographed on 2 April 2021. - Ukraine day today: Maks Levin DYK, expanding Kyiv Symphony Orchestra (have tickets), and creating Anthony Robin Schneider, the bass who could be heard opening the singing in Beethoven's Ninth twice on 10 March 2022, live in Frankfurt, Germany, and recorded in Auckland, New Zealand, singing "Freiheit!" (freedom) instead of "Freude" (joy), in a tradition started after the Fall of the Wall. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:25, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Wow! Graham 87 15:26, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the pointer to the singer. Strange article history ;) - will look. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:33, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
 * No worries re Mirjam Tola; yeah that's what histories of imported articles look like. The problem is that I can't find a good place to link her in the English Wikipedia; the main articles linking to her on dewiki don't have corresponding English versions. Not the highest-priority issue though. I generally prefer importing really old edits ... much simpler. I'm off to bed now. Graham 87 15:42, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Dove sono (Where are those happy moments ...?) - concert with Kyiv orchestra and Aleksey Semenenko (quite a story!) tonight, Symphony with war and peace in the subtitle --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:19, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
 * ... and now you can listen: (that's 25 April in Dresden, a different violinist, but the same program) - ours pictured here --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:51, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

I have the quirky DYK today, which is rare, and I don't quite know why music for peace was deemed quirky. - I took and picked the blue-and-yellow pic last year for May: it shows a bright yellow rapeseed field under a mostly blue sky, with a line of forest green between the two colours, for hope. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:14, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

two songs today: Hey Hey Rise Up! (written by friends) and Glauben können wie du, sung by the person I have on DYK today, right below the other. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:57, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

today performances in Ukraine - for Ukraine - for peace, at the bottom an imaginary set of eight DYK - and more May pics--Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:15, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

today more pics, and should this woman have an article? - or only her sons? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:30, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

I like my talk today (actually mostly from 29 May - I took the title pic, which shows a large orchestra from the side in a magnificent hall, little Ukrainian flags on the double basses, larger on a tier, + illumination which sometimes turned the tuba bright blue), - enjoy the music, two related videos worth watching if you haven't already, YT for the orchestra and the violinist! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:42, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Blocked from Waterfront Records page
Hi Graham.

I hope that you're well.

My name is Steven Stavrakis - i was the owner of the Waterfront Records record store and record label. I actually started both of them.

I just attempted to update the Waterfront Records wiki but appear to have been blocked/banned instigated by you?

I have not idea what i have done...the reason appears to be: "Editing from this range has been disabled (blocked) by an administrator in response to abuse."

I haven't abused anyone??

Can you please fill me in and hopefully i can get access to update some inconsistencies on this page.

I look forward to hearing from you.

Steven Stavrakis ElCypriot (talk) 01:51, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Sayre Area School District
I had closed the DRN case, and then saw you were an admin, so I rolled back what I said and the closure, and my reversion to the oldest static version until consensus could be reached on the Sayre page. However, I am confused and concerned- I don't understand why you are hard-lining on this issue with Delphinium. They have said they want to make edits and improve the page. You say they aren't established, they have been editing for years- obviously not consistently- but their edits do appear constructive overall. Why not work with them? Why not discuss it with them? Why threaten to block them? It doesn't seem to make sense to me. I'm not trying to be confrontational- I'm genuinely curious what I am missing. Yes- that page obviously needs a good strong clean up, but if a less experienced editor wants to take a stab at it, why not help them instead of just forcing mass deletions? Why not discuss it? Another editor agreed that the strike information could be relevant- so you've ignored two voices on that one, and if it received a lot of local coverage, I'm inclined to agree with them. And being a local resident doesn't mean they have a COI (I don't know- maybe they do, but if they say they don't I see no reason to assume differently at this point). I edit local pages because I love local history. Not because I'm paid by local communities, just because its what I enjoy and I'm in a fairly rural area so I'm one of very few who edit those pages. Your actions here are concerning from the outside so I figured I must be missing something and it was better to ask you what I missed. Nightenbelle (talk) 18:06, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I've responded mostly on Talk:Sayre Area School District and will write another message there shortly. I've also tried to fix up your talk page and second archive; hope you don't mind. Graham 87 19:40, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
 * It was recommended by the DRN that I bring this to ANI. I am giving you notice of this, as they require. Delphinium1 (talk) 19:52, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Information icon4.svg There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.Delphinium1 (talk) 19:53, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I appreciate how you have been handling all the questioning. You have been very open to criticism and shown a willingness to grow. Thank you for that. Nightenbelle (talk) 13:06, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

Just a detail
Hi, Graham. I noticed you mentioned at ANI that you used Wikiblame. Too many people still do! It has been superseded by the much superior tool Who Wrote That. More accurate and way easier to use. Best, Bishonen &#124; tålk 10:52, 4 May 2022 (UTC).
 * Thanks for the note, but as a screen reader user, that interface sounds kinda painful to me ... not that anything can be done about that. This might be a weird thing to say but I actually really like WikiBlame ... yes it can be slow and finicky but so is Wikipedia. I have enough of a background in strange computer systems that I can usually figure out how to get it to do what I want. Having said that, I might just try out "Who Wrote That?" just to see if I can ... BTW you can link to it more simply just using Who Wrote That? ... much less text. Graham 87 11:52, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah it kinda half-works here. I don't know anywhere near enough about web development to have any idea how to make it more accessible without inconveniencing sighted people ... it was worth a try though. WikiBlame suits me better anyway; I use it a lot on talk pages too. Graham 87 12:03, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

McSherrystown PA
You edited my town-its a small one- Hello 2601:983:281:6E0:4CAE:E7F1:C442:7443 (talk) 22:56, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hey, nice to meet you; yep I did. :-) Graham 87 02:45, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

Discussion at WT:CS § Bundling citations
You are invited to join the discussion at WT:CS § Bundling citations. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:14, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Q
Regarding the assertions in this diff regarding the ol' "blank lines cause lists to be closed and reopened" worry, didn't you tell once that, in fact, screen readers handle this OK once some option is set appropriately? Or maybe it wasn't the blank lines thing you were talking about, but shifts abrupt shifts in indent markup, like "::" followed by "::::", or "*::" followed by ":::".

Ping me, please, as I'm away for days sometimes. Hope you're well. EEng 06:24, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't remember saying anything like that. Maybe it was about abrupt shifts in indent markup, but even then, they need to have the same punctuation (e.g. colons) as the previous text. Or maybe I said something about how the NVDA screen reader is more fussy than JAWS about colons ... but NVDA is very widely used these days. Graham 87 07:30, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks! EEng 13:41, 18 May 2022 (UTC)