User talk:Graham87/Archive 61

Ahhh the white clean space
Always good to see the archive boxes are there on the first day of the calendrical JarrahTree 08:00, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Hehehe yep, I try to keep to that ... Graham87 (talk) 08:02, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Quick question
(before off to singing in an evensong): Did you have to block a user a few hours into their career here without a conversation with them? -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:44, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, editors like this are almost always up to no good; see this archived section. Also, they've been around for a lot longer than a few hours, which raises suspicions even further. Have fun with the singing! Graham87 (talk) 15:49, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Audio and video launcher accessibility
Hi Graham, User:TheDJ here. I've been thinking about how the audio and video player are represented in the page before they are launched and I am considering making several minor changes. I'm reaching out to several people to ask if they would like to compare the before and after. If you have the time I'd love to get your input and thoughs as well. I have created the page User:TheDJ/accessibility tests with descriptions of each change, followed by several headings, each with a specific style of how a player can currently be embedded. I have also added VoiceOver transcriptions below each example of cursoring and descending into the elements. I have deployed my changes for the exact same page on the patchdemo host to compare. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 21:24, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Hey, as for your numbered points: I agree with #1, the second one is probably a good idea (I was thinking that "lenght" might be a better word, but maybe not because it's more ambiguous), for point 3 I think brevity is better, and points 4–5 I don't have any opinion on. Re the instances where the VoiceOver transcription has the caption before the media button, that isn't the case for either JAWS or NVDA (i.e. the media button is displayed before the caption). Also, JAWS does slightly odd things with the play button in Chrome (it reads an extra "pl" before the button when navigating by arrow keys, and when navigating to the previous/next button it reads the surrounding text, not just the button label ... but the last two examples in that page don't have so many problems like that). Chrome-based browsers are usually best with JAWS these days but they sure can do weird things sometimes. Graham87 (talk) 02:28, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you Graham. "The instances where the VoiceOver transcription has the caption before the media button". It's because the caption counts as the label for the figure, and VoiceOver thus reads it three times, respectively: begin region, caption itself, end of region. This transcription assumes you descend into the region however. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 08:33, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Article '1959 in Australia'
Just a minor criticism of your summary for your recent edit on the subject page, which is "mass changes without consensus". The unconfirmed editor that made the edit you reverted only added two categories, which doesn't come anywhere near the concept of "mass changes". A more considered summary would have been better. Having said that, I would have reverted the same edit because the added categories are already included via the parent category. Junglenut &#124;Talk 10:52, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
 * The IP's contributions show that it made 958 changes in the space of ten hours (not counting its first edit); if that doesn't qualify as mass changes, nothing does. Graham87 (talk) 11:50, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
 * But thanks for your message anyway; checking your contribs alerted me to 112.164.78.172, who did the same sort of thing. If you see this kind of editing again, please let me know. Graham87 (talk) 12:10, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Apologies Graham, I only saw the single edit as that page is on my watchlist. Junglenut &#124;Talk 22:03, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
 * No worries. It's always a good idea to check an editor's contributions if you see a bad edit like that. They may well have made other edits that need to be dealt with. For IPV6 ranges (i.e. longer IP addresses), I'd very much advise checking the /64 range of the IP. Graham87 (talk) 02:59, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

October music
The October pic shows yellow-brown leaves looking down on a river, and the 2 October pics show a river (Lahn) with many yellow flowers reflected in it, Jerusalem artichoke. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:05, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

User talk:Gerda Arendt keeps track of "my" music and memories, and just today I have a juxtaposition of music performed by the two church choirs in town, one I sang in and one where I listened, to music about love, evening and night. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:17, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Today, it's a place that inspired me, musings if you have time. The related image looks from a grass area under high trees into a meadow in sunlight in the distance, and on the grass are four abstract stone sculptures, taller than broad, like abstracted characters. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:51, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

A Romanian woman composer is today's topic. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:07, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

I thought of Brian Bouldton today, and his ways to compromise. - Enjoy your vacation, - I'm also away, Ibiza, more pics to come, but too tired after church (pictured on my talk), hiking and paella. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:43, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

List of sibling pairs
Hi Graham87. I noticed your recent edit at List of sibling pairs. That article actually contains many entries composed of more than two people. Back in October 2021, I started a discussion on the article's talk page questioning whether all the non-pairs should be removed, or whether the article should be renamed/rescoped to include groups of more than two. Or something else. You may (or may not) care to add your thoughts to the discussion. Regards. DH85868993 (talk) 09:34, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I didn't know that ... interesting quandary! I've put in my two cents there. Graham87 (talk) 11:31, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Odd block
Hi Graham87, just checking that the block at User_talk:Jefferyjaff was intended? Best, CMD (talk) 05:45, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah it was ... but it was probably too harsh so I've undone it (though I still have reservations about this user's editing ... see their talk page). I was reminded of them because of a recent edit to List of virus genera on my watchlist, which is only on there because they edited it (in this case to try to remove vandalism). Graham87 (talk) 06:18, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks Graham, I wasn't aware of their previous edits. Perhaps a younger user, rather than/in addition to an English proficiency consideration. CMD (talk) 06:52, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

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November music
Hevenu shalom aleichem is my story today. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:24, 2 November 2023 (UTC) I forgot to explain that the November image shows the berries of the American bittersweet, looking pretty - first yellow berries, which open to expose red ones within, and the four yellow shells remain for a great contrast - but the climber can "kill" the plants it strangles, and the berries are poisonous for humans. I took the image during the 2022 edition of a traditional trip in November, then to New York State to see friends, and in 2023 just returned from Ibiza and Madrid. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:32, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Now pics from the short trip to Aachen. My story today is about my song of defiance, - it was a great pleasure to hear it performed today! The line "Ich steh hier und singe" (I stand here and sing) is in the movement with the music pictured, which begins with "Trotz -- Trotz -- Trotz", sounding much tougher than "defiance" ;) - in this YouTube it's at 4:55. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:09, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

I proudly remember having sung in an oratorio premiere seven years ago OTD. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:33, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

More, if you like: today I have three items on the Main page, almost too much of a good thing! Bach's amazing cantata with the unusual scale, first performed 300 years ago OTD, the nun for the prostitutes, and Schumann's wedding gift for Clara. Also first day of vacation pics uploaded. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:58, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

I began another day of vacation pics - we celebrate the birthday of a friend who wrote quite a book about the compositions of a man who will turn 300 soon. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:14, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

My story today is a DYK hook from 13 years ago OTD: about the great music at one of my churches. Mozart's Requiem to come on Sunday, coupled with Arvo Pärt's Da pacem Domine, - I guess you might come if it was a bit closer. Perhaps watch the video of our last production, our first on yt, ever. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:16, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Re Da pacem Domine: everything I've heard involving Jordi Savall has been amazing in some way, and this is no exception. I'd never heard that piece before! Graham87 (talk) 02:31, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you! - User Talk:Gerda Arendt --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:52, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Today: in memoriam Jerome Kohl who said (In Freundschaft): "and I hope that they have met again in the beyond and are making joyous music together" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:05, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Quick one
Hello again

I reverted to my last edit that was deleted by you on the Oxytocin article. I assumed it was OK to do so since you performed it as part of the mass-revert you conducted but please correct me if I'm wrong! Sunshine SRA (talk) 22:18, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Not a problem. Graham87 (talk) 02:13, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Great, cheers ShamsiSide.up (talk) 00:02, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Open Knowledge Association accounts
Hi! I have a question about an account you recently blocked,. I've run across several of these accounts, with nearly identical user pages ("I receive a stipend from the Open Knowledge Association..."). Should all of these be reported and blocked, or does it depend on the behavior of the individual user? If they should be reported, where is the correct place to do that? — Shelf Skewed  Talk  18:08, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I'd say it depends on the behaviour of each account, but probably a wider discussion of this sort of thing somewhere wouldn't go astray. I don't really have the time/energy to start or lead one at the moment though. Graham87 (talk) 07:05, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Understood. Thanks for the feedback. — Shelf Skewed  Talk  07:21, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Actually it turns out I was mentioned in exactly such a wider discussion at the conflict of interest noticeboard. Graham87 (talk) 07:23, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

The Stars and Stripes Forever
I saw The Stars and Stripes Forever show up in the New Page Reviewer log, and saw that you had been moving it and its disambiguation around earlier today. Just out of curiosity, could you explain what was going on with it and what you did? I've already marked it as reviewed, I just am wondering what was going on. Thanks, Bensci54 (talk) 17:55, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for marking it as reviewed. It needed a history merge mostly because of this cut-and-paste move. Graham87 (talk) 01:17, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

CS1 error on Ngalba Bulal National Park
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The Coronary Stenting and the DES Pages - A merger proposal.

 * Drug-eluting stent
 * Coronary stent

Both articles are now about cardiac stenting - and PCI. I took the DES article on as a personal project and it has been fleshed out to include PCI and I have also attempted to follow best practices in the layout and structure for a GA type of article.

I am exploring how to merge the articles, they are so very similar but the DES article is I think a child of the CS article.

Just testing the waters - I think they can be rolled into one document - within the GA framework as described on the DES article tp.

Your name was on one or the other articles, and you are an experienced editor - so just politely reaching out.

Thoughts, ideas, how to?

Kind regards - Dr. BeingObjective (talk) 14:53, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I have no idea because I know nothing about this topic. Asking random editors who've only made minor edits on their user talk pages, as you've done a few times, is borderline disruptive. I've never made any edits to the Percutaneous coronary intervention or Drug-eluting stent pages and my last edit to the Coronary stent page was in 2019, but I've edited the Coronary artery bypass surgery page recently. You also formatted your message in a highly non-standard way, leading me to initially reply in the wrong place. In particular, though it's not relevant to this page, any level two sections without signatures (as you generated in your edit to me) will not be archived by Lowercase sigmabot III. Graham87 (talk) 15:44, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Fully understood Graham. I will leave you in peace.
 * Yup - BeingObjective (talk) 16:06, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Arthur Godfrey
Hi Graham87, I just came across a mass deletion of maintenance templates here, and noted that you've had a long term interest in attempting to keep the bio in order. Frankly, I think there are too many sectional templates, but the content in question is controversial and has been there a long time, and it wouldn't hurt to start culling the unsourced stuff. But there's so much. If I take a scalpel to the article, the edits may be misinterpreted as disruptive. Any thoughts you have will be greatly appreciated. 2601:19E:4180:6D50:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 21:39, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I actually know almost nothing about Arthur Godfrey; the fact that his article is on my watchlist is just a holdover from my early days of editing Wikipedia when I'd watch any page that vaguely interested me and when Wikipedia didn't insist that content be referenced to inline citations. I took most of those pages off my watchlist but kept Godfrey's on there because of this. It turns out most of the current content was added a few days after I started editing the page. I don't believe in deleting old content like this just because it's unsourced ... but if it's problematic in other ways, go ahead and remove it. Or if a coherent article can still be made strictly using sourced content, that works too ... Graham87 (talk) 04:06, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I get it. I have no agenda there, just noticing that a lot of the content has been unsourced for more than a decade, and reads like a show business gossip/narrative ("Behind the scenes." "The firings continue"--really? For an encyclopedia?). Even if the La Rosa section were adequately sourced it looks WP:UNDUE. At any rate, I may bring this to the article talk page, or ping a couple of other veterans who are good with this sort of thing. Thanks for replying, and cheers, 2601:19E:4180:6D50:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 04:34, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * OK that works. I've read the text far too much to really be able to evaluate it objectively ... fresh perspectives are always good. Graham87 (talk) 04:38, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

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Help with finding ways for blind people to contribute
Hello. I am Nikos Likomitros, one of the main members in the Greek community. I am planning, and had a meeting for this yesterday, to do an outreach activity for blind people in Greece, the first of it's kind in Greece. However, one of the things that they asked me, and insisted, both sighted and blind people that were there, was how Wikipedia editing is accessible for blind people. I hope you can provide me help with this, as an expert on this field.

I admire you greatly for what you have been doing years now in Wikimedia projects. NikosLikomitros (talk) 13:52, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much for the kind words. There are some tips for getting started for blind editors at WikiBlind User Group, though the group itself is relatively dormant, which you can adapt to the Greek Wikipedia. In particular, the CAPTCHA for creating an account would be a major problem (but you or another admin could help them bypass that ... be sure to give them the confirmed user right so they don't get the CAPTCHA in their initial edits. Graham87 (talk) 14:23, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
 * You worth it. Would you suggest me any tools for this? Or methods? NikosLikomitros (talk) 17:03, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Use Special:Createaccount to create their accounts (they'd need an emil address and a desired username) and there's a check-box to give them a temporary password which you'd check. Once their account's created, go to Special:Userrights and give them the confirmed user right. Graham87 (talk) 03:21, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

December music
Today's story is about Maria Callas, on her centenary. - Aaron Copland died OTD, and Jerome Kohl (mentioned in November) said something wise on Copland's talk. Thank you for the news about your trip, - I was travelling myself, and slow to respond. - The December image is as bright as can be, a tree in interesting shapes of frost needles, in sunshine against a sky that is partly cloudy, bottom left, but mostly deep blue. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:41, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

A new church year began (listen), - a new era? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:58, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Today's story is about parts of my life. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:22, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Today, I managed to get the pics to snow (on 28 Nov), and heard a lovely concert, after listening to a miracle of meditative dreaming on 6 December (or just click on music). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:59, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

... and today, to Paris (29 Nov) with a visit to the Palais Garnier, - to match the story of Medea Amiranashvili, - don't miss listening to her expressive voice. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:57, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

My story today is about Michael Robinson, - it's an honour to have known him. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:01, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for what you do and stand for! I wish you a good festive season and a peaceful New Year! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:59, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Today, I have a special story to tell, of the works of a musician born 300 years ago, picture by Gainsborough composing, with his viol on the floor right, and his white doggie left. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:21, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Christmas music pictured --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:37, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Peyto
Understood. No problem. Canterbury Tail talk 11:42, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Table semantics
Hello Graham. As you use a screen reader, would you be able to drop a note to the user QuietHere about the importance of scope="col" and scope="row" in tables? I don't feel that I'm getting through to them even though I've linked to WP:DTT and WP:ACCESS. I opened a talk page thread at User talk:QuietHere and they don't seem to think that table semantics like scopes are required. Thanks if you can.  Ss  112   13:43, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I've replied there but as I said I'm not always the best person for table markup ... but it seems to have been resolved anyway for the time being. Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Accessibility has more people who know more about tables. Graham87 (talk) 14:26, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Links to Brenton Tarrant
For what it's worth, I started off letting the auto-close tool for AfDs go through links and remove them, but after a short while I realised that many, perhaps most, of them were probably left in place, and there's a huge number of them, far too many to review each one individually, so I stopped the tool, leaving, I think, almost all of the links in place. You caught one of the few that had already been reverted when I stopped it. If you see any more then please just revert them, and don’t bother explaining. JBW (talk) 10:54, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note; I found this situation because I have the Brenton page on my watchlist due to creating the article about Brenton Langbein. I've now gone through all your edits from the time you closed that AFD and reverted them where necessary (a lot of the removals were OK). I don't think you managed to stop the script in time because when I checked the current links to "Brenton Tarrant", the only one in the main namespace not on my visited links list was to Livestreamed crime (and "What links here" is ordered by namespace now). The XFD closer can certainly do ... interesting ... things to pages sometimes. Graham87 (talk) 11:04, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh dear. I have now checked my editing history, and found a huge number of removals of links to that article. I evidently misunderstood how the script works; I thought that what I did would stop it working, but it now looks to me more as though it just let the script carry on, but without letting me vet each revert. Or maybe it did something else that had a sìmilar effect. A warning against playing with tools that you don't understand. 😕 Thanks for your work in correcting my mistake, and my apologies for putting you to the trouble. JBW (talk) 11:39, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

History section vandal
I was wondering if you could share more info on this revert? I saw the original edit and when checking it I didn't see anything obviously wrong, and left a welcome template. Would appreciate more info so I can be more aware on this. Best, CMD (talk) 01:01, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * This particularly insidious user, who used to be known as JohnLickor372, spends most of their time using dynamic Australian IP's to add level 2 history sections to articles (which often don't need them) and adding copyright violations (also see Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1010). Graham87 (talk) 02:56, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Battle of edits in The Jean and Samuel Frankel Jewish Academy of Metropolitan Detroit
@Graham87, I noticed you reverted two times (1 and 2) edits by @Farmershire375 in article The Jean and Samuel Frankel Jewish Academy of Metropolitan Detroit section about inclusion of Noah Arbit in that section. Can you please share the rationale? Because to me, this Noah does look both notable (eg, has his Wikipedia article) and alumni (eg, the school said on the Facebook he is). Thanks - Yamfri /ˈjæm.friː/ (talk) 21:51, 21 December 2023 (UTC) And oh, I just noticed Farmershire375 has been blocked indefinitely as a sockpuppet of Pleasureme23. However, that user's particular edit about inclusion of Noah in the notable alumni section looks good to me. Thanks - Yamfri /ˈjæm.friː/ (talk) 22:05, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I just put him back and added the ref from his article. In the case of Pleasureme23/Farmershire375, I did a semi-automated mass-revert of their edits because they were unsourced mass undue-weight additions of relatively minor politicians. I reverted Farmershire375's because they were block evasion. Graham87 (talk) 04:15, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

ALT text
Hi Graham, hope you're well. It occurred to me that this discussion could perhaps use your expertise, but I didn't want to put you on the spot. Your thoughts would be most welcome but please don't feel obligated. Vanamonde (Talk) 13:38, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Hey, good to hear from you again. I added my two cents to that discussion. Graham87 (talk) 14:01, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much! Vanamonde (Talk) 16:33, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!
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'' Hello Graham87: Enjoy the  holiday season &#32;and  winter solstice  if it's occurring in your area of the world, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 20:48, 26 December 2023 (UTC) ''

Dohol
Hello Hope you don't mind me asking this here, But i came across Dohol Page and noticed someone disruptive and added some materials without mentioned sources, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dohol&action=history Balash-Vologases (talk) 19:31, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I've undone their edits and added Information orange.svg Please do not add or change content without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. to their talk page ... but just this once. The next time you have a question like this about basic Wikipedia problems, please ask it at the teahouse. Graham87 (talk) 00:01, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank Graham, even i noticed that in the article, he indicated that parts (most) of it were Grammatical and vocabulary mistakes. Balash-Vologases (talk) 00:09, 29 December 2023 (UTC)