User talk:Graham87/Archive 8

Legal Blindness
Hi Graham87

Thanks for the tip. I've been using Wikipedia all along and I want to give back. I mean beyond the occasional $5 when Wikipedia helps me win a bet. I really want to do it right.

"1337" means "I think I'm an computer expert because I configured a fast, expensive computer to play games." See related term "computer-savvy." ("I think I'm an computer expert because I balance my checkbook in Excel.") Now you know. :-)

What speech recognition software do you use? I would like to not have to hunch over the keyboard.

Dreadfullyboring (talk) 11:46, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Reply
Thanks for the intro to assistive technologies. I did indeed mean speech recognition. I would like to sit back and free associate - get my hands out of the path. It would be nice if the software didn't transcribe my pearls of wisdom as gibberish or obscenities. The garbage I bought for my old PDA was utterly useless.

Are the technologies for the blind easier to use than the standard interface is for sighted people?


 * No? That's unfortunate.  How do we fix that?  It's all a matter of demand for the products, so getting sighted folks like me interested would be a good start.  The keyboard occupies my hands and I can't do anything else at the same time, right?
 * Oh, it seems to be breakfast time here. I have to lure hubby out into the world with food.  Have a good evening, and I hope to talk to you about this again after I get some more background.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dreadfullyboring (talk • contribs) 12:53, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

The possibilities for future human-computer interfaces are fascinating. I think I mentioned that I'm a dreadfully boring engineer.

Hey, you! It's after midnight, isn't it? Get to sleep! :-)

Dreadfullyboring (talk) 12:35, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

It never ends!
Special:Contributions/76.208.23.119 -- The Rugrats vandal that makes up his own TV spin-offs is back! All Grown Up! Defender 20:09, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


 * 1 month block has expired on this IP sock of the above user. And yes, he's using it to vandalise. All Grown Up! Defender 21:08, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Never mind, his continued vandalism earned him a 6 month block on that IP! Also, thanks for the earlier block of his 76.208.23.119 IP All Grown Up! Defender 23:53, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Mot
thanks for the tip on alfonso aspriri, there is only so much french reading i can handle. i had given up hope of finding the creator of the show. i would appreciate any help you could give. thanks again This is England (talk) 13:22, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Merging histories
Hi Graham - I've been an admin for a couple of years but until recently I've never been faced with doing a history merge - and, to be honest, I couldn't understand exactly how it's done. I see from the log that you've been doing such merges, and wondered if you could give me a few pointers, or at least point me to where the instructions are all clearly laid out. Thanks in advance - Grutness...wha?  07:07, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Cheers - and being a South Islander, I wouldn't mind too much of Auckland did disappear ;) Grutness...wha?  07:38, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Gawd youve been visited by the grutness, and look at that sectarianism from a south islander - tch tch - oh well - I used to (before the start of hotcats) quiver at the sight of the sig when i dealt with cats :) (as in categories) - heheheh - is there anything at the Indonesian project we need to know about the Java and Java Island thingo?  (I havent forgotten my unkept promised about readable accounts about the railways thing - I think I probably owe you about 8 or so by now :( -   ) - cheers SatuSuro 09:59, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Octagon
Graham,

Really sorry to trouble you. I've been asked to step in and rewrite the Octagon Worldwide entry that deleted several times and you kindly retrieved and put at User:S0504280/Octagon Worldwide. I really just wanted some helpful advice as I'm trying to avoid having the entry removed again. I've sharpened up the copy to remove all advertising and make it just factual. Can you possibly have a look and advise me if in your opinion this is now an acceptible entry? Thanks Jaimebakr (talk) 10:14, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Recent Edit
hey the site I added that I found today is actually not a fansite for Mr. Swaile. It seems the girl's keeping up on the latest on him and with him since she knows him. I do agree that the other sites had to go (most were dead for ages anyway) and since the guidelines said no MySpace, I removed the link to that particular site. Thanks for all the work you do! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.50.197.7 (talk) 08:55, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks so much for making that clearer. I'm still learning. I'm going to get an account and help out! :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.50.197.7 (talk • contribs) 13:24, 19 July 2008 (UTC


 * No, it's just a fan site like any other, it even says the information on it will be found via the web. Removed it again. Pippa Pip (talk) 22:01, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

She can't actually tell the fans he helps her directly. Ever heard of privacy? She said herself he doesn't have time to make it official so it's the closest thing you'll get since he helps her. Sorry about this Graham. I'll email her and have her word it differently so people get a clue. It's bascially official without being said to keep his privacy and spare him fangirls harassing him. If anyone knows him well they know he's very private. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.50.197.7 (talk • contribs) 04:02, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm chatting with her on IM and she said it would be no problem. She apologizes for what happened and fixed the About section best she could. She said she heard from him earlier and will pass on your request. He's busy but will reply when able and she'll let you know! :) From what she's seen it seems accurate but she's not sure about a few things herself and was planning to ask him anyway. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.50.197.7 (talk) 04:23, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Move request
Hi again, I've just noticed that the history of Talk:Rugrats is currently at Talk:RugRats. This must have happend when the page was incorrectly moved on June 15. I'd imagine this needs fixing :-) All Grown Up Whovian 17:03, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Also, would it be a good idea to move protect the article? Since the show is long cancelled and the chances of it changing its name being zero. And finally, a quick question about page moves; When I tried to move RugRats back to Rugrats in June after the incorrect move by another user, I could'nt because "the page already existed as a redirect". But I've noticed that other wikipedians can perform page moves like that. I.e: "Moving Page A to Page B over redirect". How come other people can move pages over redirects and I can't? Cheers All Grown Up Whovian 17:18, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Right, I understand. Cheers for the move :-) - Also, another favour, could you check this (Image:Two_All_Grown_Up_books.jpg) image for me? Its one I uploaded and a user who I've had disputes with in the past (incidentally, the one who first moved the Rugrats page last month) has placed a possible non-free tag on it. Although I believe the user to be a troll (I.e; Coming after my image because I had one of his images rightfully deleted last month), I'd rather not get into further disputes if the image really is unfree. Again, thanks for all this! All Grown Up Whovian 07:30, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I can see why you don't deal with images. It looks very tricky, especially when it comes to whether an image is free or unfree. Also, thanks for the pointer on colon use :-)

Miami
Is there any particular reason you did another round of delete and move again? It appears that you did the same thing earlier this morning. Was it something that you had queued up and forgot to remove?  Horologium  (talk) 01:09, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, per my ramblings at Talk:Miami, and to keep all the content revisions in one place. The Miami page was moved by cut and paste three times, so a proper history merge is almost impossible. Graham 87 01:14, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I saw your post this morning, but I thought you were done. So you took care of the first two this morning, and the last one tonight, I guess? Watching the histories of two almost identical pages get deleted, merged, and restored multiple times makes my head spin... (grin)  Horologium  (talk) 01:27, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Weeeell ... I fixed all three this morning (last night my time), and then noticed that there was still a revision left in Miami with content in it. I wasn't too sure whether I should move that one into Miami, Florida, but decided to do that an hour ago. What complicated things even more is that User:Rambot added info to Miami, Florida while the actual article was at Miami, therefore doing a third cut and paste move and making the early history very confusing indeed. Don't worry, my head is spinning too ... I've been history merging a lot of U.S. city articles, but Miami was by far the hardest one. Graham 87 01:36, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Just to clarify, I didn't realise what Rambot had done when I made the first move of Miami, so that's why I wrote about two cut and paste moves on Talk:Miami. Graham 87 01:51, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Halifax
May i ask why Halifax now redirects to Halifax, Nova Scotia? I don't think that's intuitive, is it? Wasn't it better as the dab page? Or do i not understand (always a distinct possibility, i hasten to add)? Cheers, LindsayHi 12:52, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm doing a history merge to Halifax, Nova Scotia and Halifax, West Yorkshire. It'll be fixed soon. Graham 87 12:54, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Fixed for now. There might be other revisions hiding in the Halifax article history, so I may have to do some more work on it. Graham 87 12:56, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah, so i came in in the middle and thought something had gone wrong. Patience, Lindsay, patience.  Thanks for the quick answer. Cheers, LindsayHi 13:14, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Walrus skins - a slippery matter
Hi there - I have noted your change and it makes sense of a sort. I am concerned, though, that the serial edit has moves away from the original draft which implied that Inuits throwing each other around on Walrus skins was more legend than verifiable fact. What do you think? --DaveK@BTC (talk) 15:23, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Main Page proposal
Hi Graham87,

I noticed your comment at Village pump (technical) and I wanted to talk to you a bit more about it. After discussion, it's been decided pretty clearly that moving the main page to Main Page is not ideal. However, there is strong support for moving the main page to Portal:Wikipedia instead. Also, to ensure a seamless transition, Portal:Wikipedia will be transcluded back into Main Page while we retarget the links to the main page. This will hide the "Redirected from..." text even for screen readers. After all the links have been transitioned and everyone is comfortable with Portal:Wikipedia, Main Page will be made into a simple redirect and "Redirected from..." will show for everyone.

So, would this way forward be acceptable to you? —Remember the dot (talk) 05:33, 26 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Replied at Village pump (technical). Graham 87 06:34, 26 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Hahahahaha: . You have a point about those pesky RfAs :-D —Remember the dot (talk) 18:48, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Page moves?
I came across your page moves when you moved Washington University in St. Louis to Washington University. Just as I went to question why you were doing that, I saw that you reverted yourself. After looking at your contribs, I'm wondering why you're moving several pages without apparent individual discussion. Is this part of some sort of bulk move? Have some of these moves been discussed? I'm just trying to find out what your reasoning is. Cheers, Oren0 (talk) 07:55, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm also curious. I see you have performed a number of moves and history merges on New Zealand cities, but it isn't clear which articles you were merging into the substantial ones. Is there a list you're working through?- gadfium 19:53, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

I've changed username
Hi Graham, just thought i'd let you know that i've changed my username from All Grown Up Whovian to John Sloan. I'd like to re-sign the barnstar I gave you the other day, but I'll wait until I have your permission first. :-) Thanks John Sloan (talk) 11:50, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

One of the vandals has created an account!
Hi again Graham, it seems it has been a little too quite lately. But all thats over now! An IP jumping vandal who's main target is the Tommy Pickles article has created an account for himself. His two IP's that I've encountered so far are 74.32.17.213 and 74.32.12.44, his account is User:JohnTBoy. Edits from all three are identical. This user clearly has an agenda to vandalise, he has also created a nonsense userpage that should probably be deleted should you block the user. Again, thanks for all your help in combating these vandals! It's truly appreciated :-) John Sloan (talk) 19:36, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks John Sloan (talk) 12:00, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Mozart
Hello Graham87, Just out of idle curiosity: what were you doing just now with the Mozart article? Thanks, Opus33 (talk) 19:55, 2 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I was doing a history merge. I fixed a cut-and-paste move from March 2002 from Mozart to Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, so all the history of that article is in one place. Graham 87 05:35, 3 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you. Sounds like a good idea.  Regards, Opus33 (talk) 16:22, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Crime against foreigners in India
Hi, this article was redirected to Crime in India per Articles for deletion/Crime against foreigners in India. The reason given for most delete votes are it is anti-India propaganda which is not true. I have taken this matter to Deletion review/Log/2008 August 3. But editors there suggesting I should follow some other process. At that time, i.e. when it was AfDed, Crime in India was a short article, which is not the case now. At present it is not possible to merge the huge information in Crime in India. I want to expand this article and want to keep this article as a separate page. What should I do?  Otolemur crassicaudatus  (talk) 13:37, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I know there is a process for merging articles. But I don't know if there is any for de-merging. I will open a discussion in article talk page. But if no one join the discussion for several days, then can I undo the redirect? And if I do so, will it be again redirected?  Otolemur crassicaudatus  (talk) 13:48, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you. This article actually came under attack from nationalist POV pushers. You can see there was a heated debate in Articles for deletion/Crime against foreigners in India. One of the major opposing party User:Ghanadar galpa was a sockpuppet of an indef banned user.  Otolemur crassicaudatus  (talk) 13:56, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Going crazy
I know its monday morning but i have tried to leave 2 talk messages at hydrogen iodides talk page - they show up on table of contents but not on page - is it me or is there something crazy about his talk page? SatuSuro 02:44, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't worry; I fixed it for him. The chrome in the section above had an unclosed table in it. Hesperian 02:57, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Gawd what a day for edit conflicts and server glitches and all - thanks for that both  - a relief i thought i was losing it (which i probably am - but hey) - - cheers - and hey one day the train articles will start (sigh) SatuSuro 03:00, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Rugrats vandal is back again!
Yep, he's back as 24.7.230.139 and 24.7.230.107 - His main target at the moment is List of All Grown Up! episodes were he makes up story summaries. Due to this person using several Ip's to vandalise, could the maximum IP block be warranted? Thanks John Sloan (talk) 18:50, 6 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Also, all these IP's frequently edit The Mighty B! article as well. Since I've never seen that show I have no idea if his edits to that are vandalism or not. What do you think we should do about his edits there, leave them or revert them? John Sloan (talk) 19:14, 6 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the IP blocks and advise :-) John Sloan (talk) 11:50, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Transport in Australia move
I'm intrigued by the page move shuffle you carried out here - I don't have any issue with it, but to an outsider it is like you hid a coin under one of three cups, and I am trying to work out where it ends up after it gets shuffled around. So which cup is it under? Wongm (talk) 01:35, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Survey request
Hi,

I need your help. I am working on a research project at Boston College, studying creation of medical information on Wikipedia. You are being contacted, because you have been identified as an important contributor to one or more articles.

Would you will be willing to answer a few questions about your experience? We've done considerable background research, but we would also like to gather the insight of the actual editors. Details about the project can be found at the user page of the project leader, geraldckane. Survey questions can be found at geraldckane/medsurvey. Your privacy and confidentiality will be strictly protected!

The questions should only take a few minutes. I hope you will be willing to complete the survey, as we do value your insight. Please do not hesitate to contact me or Professor Kane if you have any questions.

Thank You, BCeagle0312 (talk) 03:26, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Eucla
Thanks for that SatuSuro 14:15, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

If you were standing out where the photos are taken, sometimes there is a very slight distant surf sound, but hardly registerable, acoustically being open flat ground at the top and on the lower area- nothing to bounce from, but at the pass at sunset (i Have a large number i am not uploading of a sunset at the pass) there is the high beams of the trucks way off in the darkening sky, and no sound, and eventually the sound of the truck arrives, and as you stand on the quartzite like rock on the side of the road on the edge of the hill, the sunset goes bizarre - I could spend ages describing the one we saw last december- some very weird versions of pinks and other colours i dont normally associated with sunsets - anyways - it is possible to be mesmerised by clouds and things on the nullabor - they stretch out so far and the sky seems so big. thanks again - and cheers SatuSuro 14:34, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

My teenage daughter is quite a gifted photographer (well being her father i suppose i think so) and I have tried training her to watch sunsets very very carefully which is what were doing at eucla - as there are quie suprising large number of shifts of colour of the sky in the quadrans - and if there ar clouds or any other particulates like high level dust etc - the sky has a huge range of colour shifts - when i was a kid living near the coast in the old days my parents used to have a comment about the 'bali sunsets' as one of the balinese volcanoes had ejected stuff way up into the atmosphere that were providing very very high sunset light catching - much higher than normal clouds - - hey when i get the time I'll try describing it further for you - the thing is there is a really odd theory which i cannot remember where  saw it being mentioned - that suggests humans didnt get the capacity to percieve the colour blue - the colour of the sky - until really recently in evolutionary terms - maybe a few thousand years - I am not sure why or how the theory came from - but I have been taking hundreds of photos in the last year or so of clouds and cloud formations and much less of sunsets - and the whole thing of what a baby nikon camera can do the colour blue just by a few tweaks is quite amazing. the acoustic/smell/body sensations of being around at dusk or dawn in the outback is quite complex - specially where there is birdlife - as some birds are hellish noisy at pre-sunrise and then they calm down once it has risen - and vice versa for sunset - also damp moisture rising in some areas can atually release smells from the soils in the evening which are not present in normal daytime - hey i could keep going on and on i better leave off for the moment - cheers SatuSuro 15:04, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

sorry abut the tyops - i hope what is there makes sense - gotta get off SatuSuro 15:05, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Kimberley
Cripes I must be a pain sometimes :) SatuSuro 08:02, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Having created very erratically the equivalents for Indonesia (without the equivalent of moondynes excellent lead sentence for the category mainspace) I figured we needed to go for it seeing we have a well structured regions of wa article - any article or weather article specially you can link is great as they are usually not created by locals and have shortfalls as far as regional and locations adequately in the lead sentences - slowly but surely all the wa regions will get done - and I hope others might feel inspire as well - considering how big west oz is its crying out to be done - In WA could mean such a wide range of locations - the tying in of regional info seems to be a good idea - but i am always open to any points of where it might not be - as well - cheers SatuSuro 08:22, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Duncan road - i reckon all the highway stuff is misleading - it is now just a neglected track and does not deserve most of the rubbish about highway SatuSuro 09:52, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Arrgghh the four geordies - I have ruthlessly synopsised (sorry about that) that sketch more than any other m-p sketches i have ever remembered - oh ayye when I was a lad - dont ever let me start or we'll get the servers shut down for sure SatuSuro 11:45, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

ok next one up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Pilbara_region_of_Western_Australia SatuSuro 12:01, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimberley_region_of_Western_Australia - the map at that article would say to me kimberley only - also if you do find any station articles at all there is also my today created shy little cat http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Pastoral_leases_in_Western_Australia SatuSuro 12:56, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm taking a break from all this for a bit - I have created the gascoyne one as well - on the map the gascoyne is a real annoying one cos it sort of creeps up to the north west corner that has north west cape and exmouth and things - and it really makes a different perspective on the North West Australia issue - as the gascoyne region takes a slice out of the pilbara west end - gonna be a bit of a nuisance ill have to find one of my country roadmaps for the differention between west pilbara, gascoyne, and mid west boundaries - but now im off for  a warm drink - cheers for the mo SatuSuro 13:11, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Stopped down in house too long it was nice and warm there, hey thanks for the pilbara finds! SatuSuro 14:28, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Its a very large messy room inside a very large shed it has insulation but with temps at 8 or 5 degrees c in the open air it cannot hold the cold back too long SatuSuro 14:32, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your help - it is appreciated - im off for the night - cheers SatuSuro 15:01, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Unalaska
Could you be so kind as to explain what you've done over at Unalaska? I'm very confused as to what you did and what you were trying to accomplish. Thank you. Unschool (talk) 13:13, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Help with new blind user
Hey Graham, as you use a screen reader yourself I was wondering if you would help out a blind user who wants to contribute to Wikipedia but is hampered by an extremely basic text to speech program. See Help_desk. - Icewedge (talk) 07:57, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

HI Graham
Out of interest, could you tell me what you have been doing to Elizabeth II and her related monarchy articles? Most of them are on my watchlist and at present my watchlist is appearing as one big move and deletion log with your name all down it! Thanks! --Cameron* 10:32, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, wonderful. Good job! --Cameron* 14:03, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

W. E. B. Du Bois
May I ask, what happened that needed a history merge at W. E. B. Du Bois? Gimmetrow 15:20, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Question
What happened to Song Dynasty? My watchlist reports that you had to restore it after it was deleted. What happened? And furthermore, who had the cojones to delete something like that? Lol.-- Pericles of Athens  Talk 07:18, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Vandal reporting
Hi! Thanks for reporting User:75.37.6.108. However, I haven't blocked this person, as they did not receive sufficient warnings. The idea is to increase the level of warnings each time they vandalise. This is a fundemental of WP:AGF - we assume that they are just being playful initially, and give gentle level 1 or 2 warnings (see WP:MLT for a full list of templated warnings). When they reach level 3, this is the first assumption of bad faith, after which they will get blocked. See WP:VANDAL for the full warning process. Please don't be discouraged though - your vandal fighting help is appreciated! This post is not meant to chastise you, just to make you fully aware of the blocking process. Thanks for your efforts - they are appreciated! StephenBuxton (talk) 09:29, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I think you sent this to the wrong person. I didn't report the user, De728631 did. I did warn the user however - maybe I wasn't communicative enough with them. As you can see in the history of the bocce article, the user (using more than one IP address) removed the section several times without explanation. There are several IP users at the article who want to rid the article of everything but "elite", European bocce. Maybe I should take the article off my watchlist ... I don't really care about the topic that much ... but I absolutely hate unexplained removal of whole sections. Furthermore, there is no policy saying that a block can only be performed after four levels of warnings, and no rule stopping people from skipping warnings if they think it's appropriate. I'm not going to block 75.37.6.108 yet. Graham 87 09:54, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Whoops, my bad. Thanks for your comments, and my apologies for taking your time. You're right about their not being a hard and fast rule about warnings.  I often skip warning levels if I think they are being particularly nasty.  However, I always tell people to do the full amount of warnings, as the chances are that if they don't know enough about the system, they are unlikely to be able to know when to make judgement calls.  Once again, sorry about my incorrect notice. StephenBuxton (talk) 11:05, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


 * No probs, it's an easy mistake to make. I agree with you about teaching people to follow the rules at the start, and once they gain more experience, their judgement will be good enough that they'll know when to bend the rules. Graham 87 11:15, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Schubert's last sonatas
Hi. I've requested peer review for this article, as I hope to make it a GA (not FA as yet). Any comments would be welcome. Thanks. Gidip (talk) 12:02, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Auckland move
Hi Graham87 - could you give a quick idea what happened to the Auckland article on 31 July? My watchlist is clogged by tons of edits from you here - what was the intention of that??? Was there an actual article at "Auckland, New Zealand"? Ingolfson (talk) 02:43, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I thought it might have been something like that. Cheers Ingolfson (talk) 05:22, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Encyclopaedia Britannica 1911
Do you know any place online where I can read Encyclopaedia Britannica 1911 edition?  Otolemur crassicaudatus  (talk) 10:02, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Feynman quote
Feynman was referring to Euler's formula. If you check the reference, he is explicit. So I restored the citations. Good wishes, TheSeven (talk) 19:25, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Crusty
Can you help me find the Crusty page?

There used to be a page until a few weeks back. Now a search for the term takes you to Crust Punk. When you check the redirect, though, it leads back to a wiktionary entry, rather than the original page.

I want to see if I can champion its restoration but as it does not appear in the deleted logs I can't think where to start. I hoped you might be able to help. Silverwood (talk) 11:41, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Apple
You did an impressive job restoring the revisions. Sure it was sorta a trial-and-error business, and it kinda filled my watchlist, but still you managed to do it exceptionally well .I am here to thank you for that, and would have presented you with a barnstar, but compared to you, am a junior, and juniors don't reward their seniors. :)
 * Cheers mate!
 * &Lambda; u  α  (Operibus anteire) 13:10, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for fixing it! I couldn't put my hands on why users left me messages at the wrong place, so thanks mate!
 * &Lambda; u  α  (Operibus anteire) 13:26, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi there
I have seen from your logs you've been doing quite a bit of history merges etc., i think i have another candidate here List of Total Nonstop Action Wrestling employees. Check the talk page and the last discussion to make sure your doing the right thing. Cheers Monster Under Your Bed  (talk) 14:40, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

He waited for me to leave.
Hi Graham, our Rugrat/AGU/Mighty B vandal is back as Special:Contributions/67.177.176.210. Sorry if you thought I was fully retired, but I'm just putting my main account on ice for a bit as I don't have access to my own PC for a while (in the shop for repairs). This is one of my alt. accounts for other/public computers. Thanks in advance, your friend John Sloan :-) IPavoider (talk) 13:18, 29 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks Graham, I hope to be back on my main account soon! But right now, i'm not even sure if my computer is going to be fixable. I may have to wait until I can afford a new one! Again, thanks for dealing with this for me. Happy editing, John Sloan IPavoider (talk) 13:37, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Chamber music
Thank you for your post. I responded on my userpage. --Ravpapa (talk) 14:29, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Re. Disability Etiquette
Thanks for the update, and the article looks good; I don't think it'll be brought back to AfD. User:L^BPub 14:42, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Horizontal list separators
Hi Graham, I was wondering if you would have any input into the discussion on Horizontal list separators as you use a screen reader. Keith D (talk) 19:12, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Gallery of works by Johann Sebastian Bach
A proposed deletion template has been added to the article Gallery of works by Johann Sebastian Bach, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice should explain why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the  notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised because even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. Fram (talk) 09:27, 10 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I've declined this; I'd like to see discussion rather than a prod nuke. One option is to merge it into List of compositions by Johann Sebastian Bach. Most lists have plenty of images, so I see no reason why a list of compositions ought not contain plenty of sounds. Hesperian 11:18, 10 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I hadn't thought of that - I had just asked at Commons:Administrators' noticeboard for the history to be imported, which might still be a good idea, because it would be a good start for a cross-project list of Bach audio. There is precedent for this at List of compositions by Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, so I don't see why the same thing can't be done for Bach as well. Graham 87 11:25, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Godfrey
I removed for design reasons. Rather than "sections," I think of linespaces between paragraphs as creating sections or transitions. But you're right, and info is clarified w. that header back in place. Pepso2 (talk) 16:02, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Metzner's sandbox has new items
Hi Graham,

I continue to find new pieces and play them. If you want, just have a look. And congratulation for TUSC !!!

Uli

--Metzner (talk) 10:23, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi Graham
I looked through the talk archives at WP:ACCESS and can't find that we discussed this. Would it work for you to have the first image in a section directly above the heading rather than directly below? Do screen readers have a hard time with that for some reason? (Please respond either at WT:ACCESS or on my talk page.) - Dan Dank55 (send/receive) 02:48, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The problem is the rule not to sandwich text; if there are more images than text, then the images drop down into the next section, which is bad, or we dump a bunch of white space in the article, also bad. Is there any image code which will let me put the link for the image under the heading, but force it to show up higher, either on the same line or even a little above that? - Dan Dank55 (send/receive) 03:26, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Another idea: does your screen reader read hidden text? Here it is with nowiki (so it's not hidden) , and here it is without the nowiki: .  Did you hear the test2?  If not, are there any non-printing characters that you hear, such as html span tags?  What I'm getting at is: if I could put a hidden comment at the start of a caption letting you know what section is coming up, would that be less confusing? - Dan Dank55 (send/receive) 03:33, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm out of ideas. I know that some of the wikiprojects have images in their articles on the same line as headings (that is, the image link is directly above the heading), and they don't read (many of) the style guidelines.  If you come up with a solution that works for you, please let me know.  If we started the caption with some special character, such as a bullet, could we use that as a secret code to people with screen readers that the caption concerns an image for the section immediately following? - Dan Dank55 (send/receive) 03:53, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. I'll talk with some people who know templates.  If we can come up with anything, I'll let you know. - Dan Dank55 (send/receive) 04:27, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Fugues! Bach! A reason to live! :)
Hi Graham,

Ummm, I was very happy to hear from you. :) I usually keep my conversations together in one place, either at my Talk page or at yours, so that I can review them months later and smile. :) Willow (talk) 22:54, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Viking vandalism
I think I have picked up a friend from the freedom of speech article.... dont think he has a specific problem with Vikings--SasiSasi (talk) 02:07, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Vikings
Actualy i like vikings quite a bit i think they are pretty awesome. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stuka115 (talk • contribs) 02:10, 25 September 2008 (UTC)


 * but you do appear to have a personal problem with the freedom of speech article? fair enough, it does need some work, but its not that bad really. --SasiSasi (talk) 02:15, 25 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah i was just pissed that they wouldn't let me make a page about a comapany that wasn't on wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stuka115 (talk • contribs) 02:18, 25 September 2008 (UTC)


 * what is a "comapany"... maybe you failed to show how this is notable? You can establish any article you want, as long as you can show that the subject is notable (of sorts)...--SasiSasi (talk) 02:21, 25 September 2008 (UTC)


 * A company perhaps? Graham 87 02:23, 25 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, bad typing on my part but i guess if it isn't a big company it's not that important. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stuka115 (talk • contribs) 02:29, 25 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Not sure what makes companies notable, but I don’t think its only size, if they sell or do anything that might be special or unusual, or have had media coverage for something it might be possible. I have created article which are distinctly un-noticeable and only get like 5 hits a month... but in my experience, if your article is of good quality based on at least two or three secondary sources (not the company website), admins can't be bothered to start arguing about notability (I guess this follows the principle that the article might be unnoticeable, but does no harm).... and this can obviously not be found in any Wikipedi policy :-) --SasiSasi (talk) 15:49, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Notability (organizations and companies) - can we discuss this somewhere else besides my talk page? This discussion has very little to do with me. Graham 87 16:02, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I thinks its done now... happy days --SasiSasi (talk) 20:51, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Screen readers and languages
Hello Graham,

I ran into this edit a while ago and found it very unusual; indeed none of the articles I know used any kind of markup to indicate languages. When I contacted the user who did this (see User_talk:GJR) and asked for reasons, he responded that such markup is necessary, because without it, anyone using a screen reader ends up with incorrect pronunciation and a problem with shortened links (see that talk page for details). I was wondering if you could comment on this, since you're using a screen reader yourself, and you're way more knowledgeable about Wikipedia than I am. I'm perfectly open to the idea of adding the appropriate markup, its just puzzling that I've never seen it used anywhere. Maybe there's a better solution than adding those tags? Also, I'm not an expert on MoS and Wikipedia guidelines in general; I did find this template, along with the rationale - Template:Lang/doc - but apparently noone is using it? So, basically, my question is whether this is a necessary thing, simply overlooked by most people, or something that can be solved otherwise (and hence the "overlooked" aspect).

--Jashiin (talk) 08:10, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Composite number and Talk page guidelines
Sorry, but I had searched for "spell" or "spelling" on Talk page guidelines using my web browser's "Find" feature and the word didn't occur anywhere on the page. I assumed that it didn't mention anything about it. I didn't realize that it said "typing errors" instead. --Lightsup55 ( T | C ) 17:30, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm Sorry
I would just like to thank you for making me aware of all those clumsy edits I made. I knew I'd had that problem in the past, but I had no idea it was happening on such a regular basis. I'm really sorry about making other editors like you clean up after me, and will make a real effort in the future to pay attention. -- Friginator  20:35, 30 September 2008 (UTC)