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Regions in NSW
What source are you using for your region pages ie Central West, New South Wales, Northern Rivers, New South Wales? Doing the City of Dubbo page, I came across this site which might help you. Dubbo (according to page 7 of the 04-05 Annual report) falls in the Orana region, but the City of Dubbo site lists it as Central West, New South Wales. What do you think? Should we follow the regions as per the business.nsw.gov site and make a few alterations?SauliH 08:17, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * see also SauliH 08:21, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I am going to make a few changes, after creating the Orana, New South Wales region article. Hope you do not mind.SauliH 09:15, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Rail Transport in Queensland
Graham, I think it would have appropriate had there been some discussion before the arbitary removal of QR's history to the Rail_transport_in_Queensland article. The history of nearly all railways in Queensland is the history of QR, and to artifically separate it is - well - artificial, and reduces the QR article to that of a mere operator, rather than an instrument of government development of Queensland.

I accept that the transfer is effectively a fait accompli, and that little would be gained from a reversion war, apart from annoying *both* of us, rather than just me - I share similar celtic ancestry to yourself, and seem to have inherited all the bad temperment genes :-) - but I'm thinking that some mention of QR's role in development should be left on it's page, considering that it is the last of Australia's original railway systems to remain more or less organisationally intact.Johnmc 08:46, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

A bit of trivia for you from Naples
Thanks for putting the picture on the Naples page. If you are interested in a metro line in Naples that bever got built, see

http://faculty.ed.umuc.edu/~jmatthew/naples/blog22.htm#jul28

Cheers from Naples. Jeffmatt 06:45, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Hist of Rail Trans in OZ
Impressed by your intrepid sloggin along with it - I think there is sign of the beginning of a rail section in the Port Hedland/Pilbara articles you might need to know about if you havent seen it/them - not sure how far it will go at the moment though .. Keep at it - good work! SatuSuro 13:03, 20 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Gnangarra (whos going for rfa at the moment alerted me to may and gray (or vice versa) which I now have a copy of - and it has no index - but a fine array of dates despite the main text being oriented towards passenger rolling stock - there was a series of the 'Westland' the Arhs local branch month;ly which exploited a list of opening and starting dates for all the lines - I dont own that set yet - also highams book is not the best for culling info - the one which I am most impressed by is - Quinlan, Howard & Newland, John R. Australian Railway Routes 1854-2000 2000. ISBN 0-909650-49-7,

I would say if you could get a hold of that it might solve some problems for you! SatuSuro 13:20, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

CityRail and CountryLink railway infoboxes
Hi Grahamec, thanks for your work on railway stuff, and for getting pictures of our country railway stations too. I was writing to ask you a question - you have been including links to the town in the CityRail infoboxes. While I never minded it for when the article was a stub or did not make adequate reference to the town itself, my inclination has always been that the bulk of the article should be in the article mainspace, not the infobox; so as I have fixed up articles to what I deem a "minimum standard" (with platform, connection information, a new-style infobox, and a brief description (which, eg. the Southern Highlands line now has), I have taken away the links and made it very clear that the station serves suburb X & Y. I was wondering what your views on this were, and whether it's worth leaving out the links, or whether a repeat of information is necessary. This is not meant to be a criticism, I just wanted to know your reasons for adding the link where the article has been fixed up. JROBBO 11:35, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't feel strongly about this. It's not hard to put a link in userboxes and some people might expect them, but if you prefer not I'll desist.--Grahamec 11:40, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I had a thought after writing this - for stations where the suburb is actually different to the station name (like City stations), it's probably helpful to have a link, so keep including them, but we'll leave it at just the suburb name for the moment. Thanks for your help. JROBBO 11:43, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

ABC edit
Thanks for the copyedit. Reads a whole lot better. AND I do need to learn how to cite correctly. It is not the first time you updated my citations - would save us some time. SauliH 15:52, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It was not the lecture but his 'report' in the appendix to the 'Friends' submission. I changed refs and I think they are positioned correctly now. SauliH 02:28, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Favenc index
I am planning on merging the Favenc section with the expedition list. At present there is obviously a huge double-up of dates etc, which we need to condense down. I started to link the names, and figured that I was probably best to leave it for now. Great job, on repointing all the redlinks in the Giles section. SauliH 00:49, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
 * seem to have been up all night - I actually live in Minnesota, USA. Expat. My hours are hard for a few editors to work out - I work late in the evening, and then sometimes on a day off. :) SauliH 00:57, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Robert Cotton
Good work on a fine article. Shame he had to die for it to happen though!Garrie 05:42, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

LU
Just thought i would say your additions and general clearing up of the London Underground article look good. Hopefully the article will become a fatured article again in the near future. Simply south 00:55, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Maritime history
Hey - I think we might need a chat - I have a real problem with the structure of the whole ship.maritime thingy on wikipedia - and I do not fully agree with your recent shift - but I am sure we can come to some happy resolution of all this! I am busy offline at the moment - but you might like to have a look at the issue of categories and names in the australian maritime history project page - sub page of categories... I think a redirect is what you might  have needed to do rather than title change. But I am open to anything if a reasonable tie in with the maustralian maritime project in the end. All this is done on the run so please accept apologies in advance if i have misunderstood something you have done. later....SatuSuro 02:41, 19 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your response - the main issues for me at the moment are:


 * Main central aticles on transport are at preschool level - and very under maintained
 * The WP Ships is incorrectly named - and it has appropriated areas that should have been split intwo - military and maritime domains - but they look intransigent in their strange and misguided name project
 * A whole range of articles that could look specifically aligned to a good lead maritime history article are subsumed into other areas
 * I simply havent the time to go back through all the stuff to try to re-align or at least get a better heirarcchy of transport - maritime- artciles and categories - some dags seem to re-name what shoiuld be broader titles to ships and have created a nightmare
 * Thanks for responding SatuSuro 03:20, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Assesments
Thanks for your help with assessing Australia-related articles. Only 9,000 (plus the articles not yet tagged) to go :) -- Longhair\talk 03:48, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Palm Island
Do you know how long I've been working on this table?

LOL! ROFL! good work. Great minds & all that.Garrie 01:38, 24 January 2007 (UTC) I "compress" the template because some of them (eg cite interview) have so many parameters that they go for more lines in the edit screen, than the text of the document does if you split it each "|". If you are going to edit the references for stylistic reasons, could you please test your edits in a sandbox. When I see broken references that I put in in the first place, I assume it's because I got them wrong - but in this edit, you are removing parameter names from working citations. If it continues I will revert your edits to get back to the edit where the citation is working. Garrie 00:32, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * At least there was no edit conflict ;)Garrie 01:38, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorrry, I got my usage from Template:Cite news/doc - which indicates: I think all of the "cite xxx" templates provide for an author parameter. Garrie 00:41, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * author: Author
 * last works with first to produce last, first
 * authorlink works either with author or with last & first to link to the appropriate wikipedia *article. Does not work with URLs.
 * coauthors: allows additional authors


 * Thank you for all your great contributions to the Palm Island article over the past couple of weeks during its term as the Collaboration, I think it’s amazing how much it has been improved to this point. It was probably at Stub level when we got into it, now I think it would be competitive for Good or A Class article and perhaps over the next few months it will get up to the standard of Feature.


 * There’s only one day left of it being the Collaboration so if we have any last ideas as to how it can be improved lets be bold and get into it now. But most of all I just wanted to thank you for all your work and help before it was finished. Thanks, WikiTownsvillian 08:26, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Richard Davey
Thanks for the tag just a remind of the million threads I need to cleanup and tidy.... heheh :) SatuSuro 01:22, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Riverina Railways
Hi, Grahamc. A few of us are working on the Riverina article at present. The article is missing any mention of rail services, either current or historic. If you are interested any help you could give with this would be much appreciated. Thanks--Mattinbgn 12:53, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, that will give me a start.--Mattinbgn 19:33, 30 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you again for pointing me in the right direction about the railways. A railway section has now been added to the article.--Mattinbgn 03:25, 31 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for taking the time to reassess the Riverina article. It is now a Good article candidate.--Mattinbgn/talk 00:03, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

RE Murray cod
Hi Graham

Thanks for the message.

It is very nice to know that B grade is actually a high grade in Wikipedia. I wasn't aware of the finer details of the grading system.

Despite being fairly capable with IT I struggle to learn the more tricky Wikipedia codings.

So if I put in the ref codes you supplied, does it automatically put in the superscript number and automatically shove the full text reference at the base of the page?

cheers

Codman 11:29, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

WOW nice work on Ian Thorpe. THe last time I visited the page it was quite small now a feature. Well done! Ernst Stavro Blofeld 17:03, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Template:Riverina
Hi there, Because I note that you have been following the uploadings onto this template and going through the first assessments --- I am happy to report that there are no more redlinks on Template:Riverina. The template is therefore complete (other than for locations that we will stumble upon in the future). -- VS talk...images

AFD 2006 Victorian election campaign
Articles for deletion/2006 Victorian election campaign. Grumpyyoungman01 04:16, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Bill Knott and Peter Knott
I was reading your talk page and saw the (son?) tag next to Peter Knott's name. Bill Knott and Peter are not related, and neither is related to Roger Knott who was another ALP identity somewhere in the Tweed. In passing, do you know what happened to Peter Knott? He was an entertaining (if short-lived) MP, and then has never been heard from since. Jeendan 05:09, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Palm Island
I think we were both simultaneously looking up refs for the same areas! Thanks for you help, I think we got it over the GA line. --Steve (Slf67)talk 02:54, 3 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your help with this Grahamec! we did it!!! onwards and upwards, FA by 2008 :-D WikiTownsvillian 11:45, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Billnudgel, New South Wales
Hi Grahamec - I have added a PROD to the above article which you created because I believe that it is misspelled and likely to actually refer to Billinudgel, New South Wales. Let me know if I have got this wrong. -- VS talk 05:17, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * No problems - it's easy to do (speaking from experience) when you look at as many towns as we do. -- VS talk 06:02, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Orange Grove
Thank you very much for your work of late on the Orange Grove article. It was a big project of mine for a while, but then I got distracted and left the article unfinished and in an awful state. You've gone a long way towards cleaning it up and making it less of a BLP risk by referencing it. Rebecca 10:30, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Wow, that's quite some detail in the Orange Grove affair. In recognition of your efforts to wade through an extensive ICAC report into an obscure aspect of planning law ...

Jeendan 23:31, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Woolmer
Sorry, Grahame - I was just trying to wikify and tidy it up. Sorry. O&#39;Donoghue 13:55, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * b/c the article has a "needs wikifying" tag and I thought changing the format of the links/references would do it. I see I was wrong. Please Assume Good Faith.O&#39;Donoghue 14:01, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar of National Merit


A well deserved recipient of this recent addition to the array of barnstars. Blarneytherinosaur talk 00:43, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

No worries. Keep up the good work. Blarneytherinosaur talk 04:40, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Batu Lintang camp
Hi Grahamec. Thanks for fixing the cite web thingammies on the article, and for adding the banners on the talk page - nice to know it's now under WP:Australia's wings! I'm wondering about trying to get the article up to FA status, and User:Camptown reckoned a peer review would be a good place to start. Would you be interested? Cheers Jasper33 09:55, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * As opinion seemed split between peer review and going for FA, I've plumped for the former, and asked for a military history project peer review. It just seemed a bit, well presumptuous, going for FA so soon. Thanks for your input - I'm all at sea otherwise! Jasper33 18:12, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

New South Wales general election campaign, 2007
Welcome to Wikipedia, and thank you for your contributions. As a member of the Wikipedia community, I would like to remind you to adhere to Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy for editors. Joestella 13:29, 25 March 2007 (UTC)


 * There is nothing to stop you from editing articles you consider to be "rubbishy", but for you to add your conspiracy theories about the Australian media to this article, even if in jest, does not help to improve quality. It also makes editing sensitive articles more difficult for everyone because in the partisan climate you're trying to create, it is difficult for any editor to assume good faith. Joestella 13:47, 25 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Congratulations, you've been called partisan by Joe Stella. I'll let you think of your own "pot calling kettle black" analogies. Jeendan 20:08, 25 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree - let it go. There may be some bitterness about the election result, which has led to the above rude message. I suspect there is also a sense of 'ownership' of the election campaign page - not surprising seeing as he created it and has made 58 subsequent edits.


 * the POV-pushing on the page is of concern, but its hardly unique to this article. Anyway, once some time has passed and some editors have calmed down about the Liberal loss, there will be a more open attitude to restoring editorial balance to what is no longer a current event and is now just a historical record. Jeendan 02:13, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Munich Invitation
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 I'm looking for someone to take on the Munich Transit Task Force. Kingjeff 16:24, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

electoral map
I thought you would like it :) I noticed you had been doing a lot of work with the past NSW electoral districts. Perhaps some of the statistics on it might be useful too? Also, there is a 1859 map and 1904 map which could help --Astrokey 44 03:59, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Members for Albury
Hi Grahamec, Just wanted to say thanks for your work on Dudley Padman and Alexander Mair. Blarneytherinosaur talk 05:47, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Peter Corrigan
hi, how does WP know when an article is cited or recommended for citation in the mainstream press? Also, I've added a few references now. Please could you check and see if removal of the boxes is now warranted? Thanks Eyedubya 03:03, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you...
... for rating the article Cult Awareness and Information Centre and tagging it to the Australia project. Any thoughts on how to improve the article quality? Smee 05:53, 14 May 2007 (UTC).

CityRail Station Photos
This is well deserved - thank you very much for all your photos. Don't worry about the Oak Flats one - if someone goes down that way sometime they can get a replacement, but at least we have photos for all stations from Goulburn to Bowral and Nowra to Albion Park. I'll update the list. Thanks so much. JRG 13:16, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah - that can be a problem; but thanks anyway. JRG 13:30, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks again for more photos - did you miss Cringila station? (I know Lysaghts is impossible to get to, being on private industrial land). JRG 12:51, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Not a problem. Thanks for getting those photos anyway - it would have taken me or others a long time to get down that way to take them, so thank you. JRG 00:28, 14 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the latest instalment of photos. They look good. JRG (talk) 07:50, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

June 2007
Welcome to Wikipedia and thank you for your contributions. An article you recently created, Specialised Container Transport, may not conform to some of Wikipedia's guidelines for new articles, so it will shortly be removed (if it hasn't been already). Please use the sandbox for any tests you may want to do and please read our introduction page to learn more about contributing. Thank you. Thewinchester (talk) 17:04, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

CSD for Specialised Container Transport
Thanks for your message. I'm just on a massive companies cleanup and articles which don't meet WP:CORP are being checked and actioned accordingly. If we find an article which isn't up to scratch, it'll be looked at based on it's merits and dealt with from there. Drop me a line back with any questions. Thewinchester (talk) 05:56, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Richard Meagher
Hi Grahamec, I am not sure the bolded title in the article is correct. I would change it myself but I am not sure if it is correct and there was a name change or not. -- Mattinbgn/talk 20:37, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Marjorie Barnard
Wow, I feel quite chuffed to get a B! Thanks! I've only been a Wikipedian for a month and am plodding along trying to understand how it all works. A main challenge for me is images. How do people find 'free' images? Any help you can give would be much appreciated. Sterry2607 06:20, 6 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks, that's nice to know that it came from someone with a bit of an entree into the subject. Did you major in lit? Anyhow, I plan to do more but I figure, also, that an article at this level is good enough to be useful. I will do one on Flora Eldershaw as well but probably a less researched one. You know more about Wikipedia. Should there be a separate article on M. Barnard Eldershaw with See from MB and FE? I've got a bit on 'them' and have access to more inf.Sterry2607 00:54, 7 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your response. I'll think about it...I wondered whether people would expect it but I'll see how I go. I must read Tomorrow....I have always wanted to read A house is built, but in fact the only one I've read is Barnard's 'The persimmon tree and other stories' ... which I am rereading right now but read back in the 80s when Virago reissued it. Sterry2607 11:58, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Bill Lawry and Neil Harvey
Hi there Grahame and thanks for your help in tweaking these articles. I was a bit rushed for time yesterday to make the DYK deadline for Lawry so I didn't get round to filling in the ref info. Anyway, I was thinking of putting Neil Harvey to GAC, but it is a bit backlogged since I had a lot of stuff I prepared during my last wikibreak and am in the process of processing and polishing them onto the the Wikipedia (User:Blnguyen/Cricket organising) and also Bill Johnston (cricketer) is up there at the moment and I need to fix some things on that one too. But thanks for the support, and thanks for helping to ref Ian Thorpe when it was on DYK, you taught me how to ref books properly :) Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:27, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Bluebottle Beer
Graham, Understand your concerns regarding the page. Unfortunaely I'm not a professional writer however the beer is indeed the first beer in the world made to match food flavours. Perhaps the entry needs to change focus and reference the beer and talk more about people's attempts to match drinks to food. Let me know and how I can access the old page to edit rather than starting from scratch Appreciate your editorial integrity and would have appreciated even more, a chance to amend it Regards

The house at riverton
Graham, this article was moved to The House at Riverton before you placed the AfD tag, and was then re-edited by the original author. I was thinking that your AfD should be on the moved article, and the original article reverted to the redirect. What do you think? Kevin

RheinNeckar S-Bahn
Many thanks for adding this article, Graham. I've been half meaning to do it myself for about six months, but you've done a much more knowledge supprted contribution than I should have managed even assuming I'd ever gotten round to attemtping it. Regards Charles01 10:21, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Do you know anything about pianos?
I see that you have questioned the notability of the contribution regarding Overs Pianos.

I wonder if you could share with us your specialist knowledge and qualifications regarding this subject, which qualifies yo to rate the contribution of Overs to piano technology?

Thank you

Fitzpatrickjm 14:09, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Flora Eldershaw
Thanks for fixing up a couple of my Flora Eldershaw typos. I must be more careful. While I've got you, can you explain the DEFAULT SORT business which I see you also added. It looks to me that if you do that then you don't have to tediously add the name to all the categories? I've been looking at page after page and see such variety in how this is done. I'd love to understand it better if you had to time to tell me or point me to where it is explained. Thanks Sterry2607 12:04, 28 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for all that info - makes it much easier to go that way. I presume that Default sort thing works for say, book and film title articles as well? Studying under Humphrey McQueen must have been exciting. In 1973 I read his 'A new Britannia' for a sociology course but to have studied with him would have been interesting. Me, now I was so uninterested at the time in Aussie literature (it was English all the way with me, pretty much) that I missed the opportunity of being tutored by Thea Astley. I love her now and kick myself every day. I did see her walking the corridors though. Does that count? And you studied with Drusilla Modjeska? Now, she's an interesting woman. I really like the fact that back in 1972 you wrote about novels in a history course. Cheers Sterry2607 00:57, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Overs Pianos
"Please be polite" you request! Well, you'll receive more politeness if you give it in the first place! Your high handed actions will prompt complaints from honest people of goodwill.

I suggest you look in the mirror and consider the impact of your actions on other people before you complain about their response to YOUR inappropriate and uninformed conduct. Fitzpatrickjm 23:02, 28 June 2007 (UTC)


 * For the record, given the comments which Grahamec has made about the article I have written, I point out:

1. In 2004, the New South Wales Treasurer and Minister for State Development, the Hon. Michael Egan, stated that Overs' piano technology "is rapidly establishing Overs Pianos as a world leader in piano design". (New South Wales Hansard Page 9269); and

2. I have no commercial or personal connection with Overs pianos.

In addition, I asked Grahamec to let me know his qualifications in the field of pianos which allowed him to assess the notability of the article. Grahamec declined to do so.

These statements stand for the record.

Fitzpatrickjm 11:35, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:Bahnstreckenabschnitt Stuttgart Hbf–Stuttgart-Bad Cannstatt
Template:Bahnstreckenabschnitt Stuttgart Hbf–Stuttgart-Bad Cannstatt has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. — Anonymous Dissident  Talk 14:42, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I see you are a valued and prolific editor. I have nomed it for deletion/translation. Please explain the purpose of this template, why it has such a long name, and I might conider withdrawing the nom after a few keeps. Good luck. Anonymous Dissident  Talk 14:42, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Template:Bahnstreckenabschnitt Stuttgart Hbf–Plochingen
Do you really want Template:Bahnstreckenabschnitt Stuttgart Hbf–Plochingen or is the db-tag just a result of the transclusion? Pascal.Tesson 03:31, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
 * By the way, having lived a year in Tübingen myself, that stretch of railroad sure brings back memories... Pascal.Tesson 03:33, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

On that question
In regards to copyright - I usually defer to the opinions of moondyne and hesperian and - usually stand in at awe at their grasp of the issue. Sorry cannot help further at this stage SatuSuro 06:34, 14 August 2007 (UTC)


 * One very big favour - only if you so feel inclined - is the red discussion tabs when you are into the category pages - if you could do what i just did with grey - that is the WP Australia politics=yes class=cat - it would be very helpful if you are crawling through those beasts bowels - so to speak - I dont have the time that I used to have - only brief irregular visits - and when i see the red dicussion tags i see the same colour - someone has been lazy enough to create a page and not even tie it into a project - no big deal if you dont want to - but if you can it helps SatuSuro 02:26, 15 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Subtleties such as that are deliberate - email me sometime and I'll explain all :) SatuSuro 03:11, 15 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Your second point - its a nightmare - no longer possible to work out the chicken or the egg - has helped a few fraud articles survive longer than they should have SatuSuro 06:06, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

FA review for Alan Kippax
Thanks for your time in reviewing the article about Alan Kippax. I have fixed the links that weren't working. The link to the school site was superfluous, so I removed it. I didn't add the link regarding the naming of Kippax lake at the SCG, so that has been removed as well. If you have any more comments, please feel free to leave them at User talk:Phanto282 and thanks again for your help. Phanto282 07:13, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Balmain
Hi. I'm re-doing the member boxes in electorate articles to have colours indicating which party the person belonged to, as well as the party name. I'm up to Balmain in New South Wales and would be interested to know where you got your sources for parties, as the New South Wales Parliamentary Record contradicts a couple of your designations. Thanks! Frickeg 01:27, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Right, thanks. Um, where are you supposed to put the ADB template? Frickeg 04:01, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Andrew Fisher
Thanks for the time you've put in to assist me with the article :-) Timeshift 03:14, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

james burns (shipowner) copyvio
Hi Grahamec -Happy to see you tidying up the James Burns (shipowner) article. FWIW, though, the info you cited as a electricscotland.com copyviolation was actually sourced from http://gutenberg.net.au/dictbiog/0-dict-biogBr-By.html, and http://www.adb.online.anu.edu.au/biogs/A070495b.html, amongst other sites which list newspaper biographies/obituaries. You made the page tidier, and it's no big deal but, in case this comes up again, thought I'd let you know. I'm tempted to say that electricscotland.com really should cite it's sources, but I'm probably not in any position to discuss poor referencing..WotherspoonSmith 13:24, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Richard Driver
Thanks for tidying that up. He was one of my long-ago stubs related to the progression of Sydney Riot of 1879 to FA status (now delisted) and I'd eroneously decided he had a son of the same name. Obvously I'd got mixed up as it was his father I'd read about. Its strange as I recall back then I could find out almost nothing about the man. Now we have ADB and Parliamentary service records online so there's no excuses. &mdash;Moondyne 14:18, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Presumably just a disambiguation job. &mdash;Moondyne 14:27, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

HdB FAC
Thanks for your comments at FAC. I just realized I can login from school, else I would have remedied the items straightaway. The ellipses and dashes have all been standardized. Cheers, Scartol  ·  Talk  17:34, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Can you create Raleigh
Hi, I saw that you did some work on Bonville and looking at your page was wondering whether you can create an article for Raleigh on the mid north coast of NSW. Im sure you know where it is and can write something about it, im surprised its not here. I dont know whether it has been deleted, but if you could just start the page because i've never done it before:) Just do the basics and i can add the postcode, pop. etc Roadrunnerz45 09:46, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot. I dont know how it was not there, its not a big town but it certainly deserves a wiki article as virtually every other town is on there, no matter how small.Roadrunnerz45 04:43, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Original Research
Why I may not to post article of Original Research? If no OR, and you have I to make Copyvio? Why to citing source that I didn't copy content from other sources?

Why may not have Australian high speed rail on Wikipedia? Or Tran-contitental HSR? 10^100 times area of Cnanada ? 4th dimension train station...etc. Roded86400 02:31, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh No, Not THIS again
Hi Graham! Your little edit about Isabella is fine by me, but it will bring yells and howls fromcertain quarters who will not like the implictaion that what Lenny had with Isabella was a "relationship"! This is a very sensitive matter that is likely to cause an edit war..... sorry about leaving the inuse tag on! I was distracted by a horrible teenager who downloads heavy metal off my computer! Amandajm 15:17, 26 September 2007 (UTC)


 * P.S. Thanks for what you've done! Amandajm 16:59, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi Graham
Don't worry! I'll just open two screens and cut and paste all your changes back in. When there was and edit conflict, I saved over it with the intention of putting back whatever was valuable. Amandajm 11:44, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Leonardo
Hi graham! I was just in the middle of something rather major. One of us will have to try to retreive your edits piecemeal. Doo you want to or will I?

Amandajm 11:32, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I fixed it! I have just been to Italian Renaissance painting and notice you hev made lots of little edits! Thanks for you time and paintience. Amandajm 12:20, 27 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Quite insane of me really! The problem is, that I'm having to work on all these of different projects simultaneously! I wish I had realised!


 * And while I'm doing it, I get polite messages saying "please support the cause of the downtrodden in Brazil" and there is a mad vandal repeatedly attcking Stained glass in order to link to his stupid commercial website. Not to mention kid, dog, washing, dinner, and the budgie who is sulking and won't even look at me and people demanding I send them money. I thought the internet was about having fun! Oh well! Maybe I should just chuck it all in and go and review movies at IMBd. One can be rude, illiterate and an unqualified bore! I once made the mistake of saying that "The return of the King" was poorly acted.... I reeeally felt as if I was going to be torn apart by whatever those wolfish things are. Amandajm 14:07, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi Graham!
Are you at it againn! I just finished with the ceilingg noow so I hope eveything is OK! Amandajm 08:02, 28 September 2007 (UTC)


 * OK, I'll take a look at it. You are doing a great job! I'm so grateful because I'm really quite hopeless when it comes to all these blinking templates. We're having Chinese Delivery for dinner! hows that for slack! I hope my additions go down well. I'll chhannge its nname, as sugggested, but not till all the work is finished.. As for the list of aims of the restorers, I don't feel inclined to try to reword that into a paragraph. I think it's much clearer and more effective as it is. By the way, a few of the refs weren't working perfectly, when I looked. Amandajm 08:26, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Good grief! I hadn't noticed! That's a wee bit heavy handed, given that I had left a message about it on the FAC page... These bloody stupid vandals keep attacking stained glass and its really beginning to bbug mme...Amandajm 08:39, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Strike a light! are you still at it!
 * I have just removed a lot of the external links on Leo over to the science or personal life pages, and turned some of them, eg his last will and testament, and the letter to Lud the Moor into citations. So they might need your ministrations because I don't know whether they will be done to your satisfaction! The braised pork and snow peas were delicious! Amandajm 12:47, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Hmmph! I've decided it's all too much work and I'll have to withdraw some of these articles! Not Leornardo da Vinci or Restoration of the Sistine Chapel frescoes though! I'mm going to have to let the ones that there is the most opposition to goo for the time being! Oh well!Amandajm 14:09, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Yoo Hoo! Graham!
Can you leave Len to mme just for a bit, as I'm doing a fairly major fact check and have found inconsistent dates etc! Amandajm 05:37, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Slavery in ancient Greece FAC
Hi Grahamec. I don't know if it's OK on en: to "canvass" during the FAC process... Can you revisit your comment on the Featured article candidates/Slavery in ancient Greece? Jastrow (Λέγετε) 10:47, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Organasm
You've added the "sources" tag to Organasm but provided no additional comments or reason for added it. Do think needs to be cited? Considering the article is made up of a paragraph which merely summarises the album and nothing more. Anthony S 11:16, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, Graham!
Wtf is an Organasm? Is this something one ought to experience....or not?

Seriously now, thank you for your help and encouragement! I dunno what to do next.... Leo Baby has had an awful lot of extra work. Amandajm 07:16, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

invite
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South side (Chicago)
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Pollies
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Redirect of Alexander James Forbes
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Armenians in Australia
Hi Grahamec i have added new sections and reformatted the article Armenians in Australia but i would like to know how i would get the article better then a start class. i would appreciate it if you helped me, thanks --Abb401 10:19, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
 * There are WP:MOS concerns, particularly in relation to references, which should use Citation templates. References used several times should also use ref names (ie, although where you use the same reference several times in the same paragraph (as in Brief Overview), you only need to put one reference at the end of the para.  You should also put refs after full stops or other punctuation, not before.--Grahamec 10:41, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Henry Fry - Question
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Restarted South Side (Chicago) FAC
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The Chaser APEC pranks
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That blinking ceiling
Hi Graham! You might like to buy into this!  ...Amandajm (talk) 09:52, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

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An award for you


Just wanted to say that you're doing a great job with these minister articles - they're looking great, and we've needed articles on those for ages. Rebecca (talk) 09:24, 6 December 2007 (UTC)


 * That's pretty random. Proposed deletions can be disputed by anybody, so if it happens again, we'll just dispute them promptly. It'd be easily kept at AfD anyway. Rebecca (talk) 09:38, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Crappy edits.
That really isn't a very nice term. There was a unencylopedic feel too it, sure, but there's no need to revert multiple edits by multiple editors to fix that, especially when it removes updated information. There are a lot of edits that are not just unencylopedic but genuinely crappy, but I don't think you should call them that either.

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South Coast (New South Wales)
Hi - you started some time ago. I am doing some work on the article and would appreciate some help with references for some of the content you added :-) - particularly climate. It isn't that I disbeleive it but I can't find useful cites and wanted to have things cited.  I also feel that the South Coast and the Illawarra are separate - appreciate it is open to debate and for that purpose have started a discussion on the talk page.  This led me off to exploring the two articles we have on regions in NSW and you might like to have a look at those too (Regions of New South Wales and Matilda talk 21:25, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Photos of Wingham
Hi Grahamec,

Just thought I'd drop by and thank you for the photos of the Manning River and Wingham Brush. I'll have to see if I can dig up a couple of photos of my old stomping grounds myself. Blarneytherinosaur gabby? 01:02, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Random question
...just out of curiosity, any reason why you're not an admin? ;) dihydrogen monoxide (H20) 10:32, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Can you help me?
Grahamec, I have seen that you have supplied many photos of railway stations in the Sydney and surrounding area and was wondering whether you could do a favour for me. I am thinking about taking photos of some stations in my area over the next couple of weeks but dont know the first thing about uploading photos. Would it be OK if i sent you maybe 2 or 3 pics of stations and then you can upload the best one. Is that possible? Are you mighty busy now? Just one other thing, when do you find is the best time to take photos. Obviously you dont want many people there because they'll get in the photo. Roadrunnerz45 (talk) 13:36, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * What about the Metadata where it states all the specifications of the camera. Is that really necessary because i dont think i know everything about my camera. Thanks for the advice and in the coming weeks stay tuned to Sydney railway stations.Roadrunnerz45 (talk) 06:10, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Just want to say thanks for helping me in regard to the correct procedure to upload pictures. I hope im not being a pain to you, i just want to help. The only confusing thing is the license so i am just going to put down the 1st one under best practices on this page: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:First_steps/License_selection simply because it says 'this is the recommended choice.' I will take and upload the pics tomorrow so you can judge them and please dont be mean. I just hope there wont be many people around and i know you said it doesn't matter but on this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Town_Hall_station_Sydney.jpg the faces have been covered. I dont know how to do that but lets see what happens. Thanks again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Roadrunnerz45 (talk • contribs) 11:07, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Leonardo's footnotes
Yeah, of course I can explain it! What's wrong with a little bizarity in the great banality of life? Leonardo was nothing if not bizarre. He wore cross-gartered stockings at a time when other men his age wore respectable long tunics of black wool. He sang treble all his life and wandered around the streets of Florence strumming a lute while other men of his age were sitting respectably in their counting houses counting out their money. He wore his hair and beard flowing like a Classical philosopher, which was an embarrassment even to the Platonic academy which was busy trying to take itself seriously.

I did it. It's been waiting for you to fix it!

Amandajm (talk) 03:29, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Good work! Amandajm (talk) 07:12, 24 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi Graham!
 * At the time I put it up previously, nearly every issue that arose was dealt with, either by me, or someone else. Still, I have nno doubt thatt someone will come along, and say "No way good enough!" like they did last time.... or am I too pessimistic?
 * Yeah! Let's do it, but just lemme finish with St. Peter's Basilica first! It won't take long- I'm up to Bernini.
 * As for the flea in my ear, this nasty petty person will not give themselves an ID and so has no page on which to reply. He/She used to have a user name, but doesn't sign in any more, and previously used to delete any comment they didn't like. They appear to want to consider Poland to be a major region of Romanesque architecture and have made a long list of every fragment, on the List of Romanesque architecture page, presumably not realising that if someone were to include every church in England that has some significant Romanesque remains, there would be hundreds of them, and in Italy, thousands, while France is dotted with Romanesque churches, and only the finest have been mentioned. This person has a particular antipathy to Germany and has obviously attended a lecture about "purist" reconstruction, annd so feels justified in inserting negative comments about everything German. I have looked into the issues he/she raised, naturally. Calling someone who had a family member die at Auschwitz, by the name of Hitler, is really pushing the friendship.
 * Amandajm (talk) 23:10, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Apologies or thanks
Whichever ways thanks for identifying the lists that i had tagged last year - seeing good cleanups happen is a relief to see that someone is prepared to do it ! SatuSuro 13:09, 29 February 2008 (UTC) yeah it sure makes things much tidier when we go to the trouble to id them and separate them from the rest - thanks again and cheers SatuSuro 14:19, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

David Astle
Apologies if this entry wasn't up to scratch - I'm new here and still working out what's required, etc. Please let me know if there's anything else I should add or that's required here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GeorgieFamingo (talk • contribs) 04:24, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for Category Help
Grahamec, much appreciated your help with the copy-tidying and categories. I'm still working to improve the page and try to make it as neutral as possible. It's now supported by the Arts and Entertainment workgroup, and passed start class in quality, but I'm open to any suggestions that improve it. Still trying to work out the intricacies of layout and how to put the images in better, specifically the last one. I'm also about to check for more source material, though it's hard to find internet reference to the Australian comic fan press reaction cited twenty-five years on. I removed a link earlier today because it didn't seem to be acceptable under wikipedia guidelines. Your edits on this page were quite welcome. Any other suggestions you make will be of benefit. Geehall2 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 08:50, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Many projects
claim dab pages :) SatuSuro 12:17, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Could i drag you in?
I have lost it with totally alien cats(categories) and claims for the railway systems - are you interested in being dragged into the process of cleaning up the weird and wonderful chaos of the railway company issue - or shall i scream quietly and moan at the sight of dumb cataloguing librarians inside the wa system who catalogue railways as railroads - and quietly make a mess of itall? SatuSuro 12:23, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Its the recent contribs of mine will give you an idea - i have a template and a few category issues as well - wagr, vr and qr were not defunct companies - it got up my nostrils literally (ahh collie coal in the old days - them were the days) - so i have started a process that might take some cleaning up a bit :( SatuSuro 12:30, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

I think i have dragged you into a minefield Emu bay was private :( SatuSuro 12:37, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

dabs with things
Just as long as the mosdab enthusiasts dont see :( SatuSuro 07:44, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

problem?
Hello Grahamec. Your edit created a double redirect, duplicated an existing redirect by the spelling of 'Austrlaian', and I think the solution I created is the correct one. I moved it to the correct name, George Arnot Maxwell, and created George Maxwell (disambiguation). I have undone your move, but am happy to discuss it further. cygnis insignis 02:38, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the adjustment to the project tag, I didn't notice that. I have amended the note in my paste function to include those parameters now. cygnis insignis 04:38, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your help
Grahamec, just want to say thanks for your help in teaching me how to upload photos. I did my first batch of photos here but i had to add the licences all over again because i put the template. I dont know what was going on so i just copied what you put. I messaged JRG as well and i told him i will add the photos to the wiki pages when im done. But your more than welcome to add it. Just one thing, are we allowed to delete any of our photos from wiki. Not that im going to, just asking. Thanks again and all the best Roadrunnerz45 (talk) 09:29, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

NT Electorates
Why have you been tagging the talk pages of articles on electorates in the NT in the WP Australia Project as "list"? They are not lists. They should all be "class=start" unless some are stubs. I have changed the two that were on my watchlist, but I see from your contributions that there are many more. Please change them all to "class=start". --Bduke (talk) 22:35, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Of course I do not own them, but they are certainly not lists. They are articles about an electorate for the NT Legislative Assembly and because of that they contain a list of members. That does not make them a list. Lists almost always (if not always) have titles like "List of ...". These articles could develop to become featured articles and hence have to start as class=start. They would never become featured lists. --Bduke (talk) 01:00, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I have to agree with Bduke here. While your ratings of the electoral results articles as lists are certainly correct, the articles on electorates are most certainly not. At the moment, many of these articles have lists of members that outsize the main text of the article, but this is because most of these articles are stubs. Including lists in articles does not make the article a list. Frickeg (talk) 03:21, 15 March 2008 (UTC)