User talk:Grant65/Archive July-Dec 05

Allies
I noticed in your "Allies of World War Two" article you mention Ireland's position during the war. I was wondering if you could perhaps put a link to some sources showing the "favoring the Allies in matters including supplies, shipping, and use of ports and airfields"?

Re. your question
Hi Grant, Yes I am a veteran. I was called up for National Service and spent a year in the Infantry Corp in Vietnam where I served with 1ARU (First Australian Reinforcement Unit), 8 RAR and 7 RAR. Keep up the good work on your military history. Conce 16:51, 2005 July 30 (UTC)

Fremantle Football Club
Hey there, if you want the images down the right thats fair enough I won't argue as on consideration we may get more text into the article so that there is not so much white space, with the images looking lonely on the RHS. However, did you mean to remove the Image Fremantle_Dockers_logo? Regards SeanMack 03:37, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Hi Grant, I've given this page another go if you wanted to check it out for me? It looks good on my browser/screen but maybe not for others. As the oval pics don't relate exactly to the text I thought they looked better either side of the html box. What do you think? Cheers. SeanMack 05:13, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Check out Fremantle Dockers players.

non-american occupation soldiers in Japan before February 21 1946
You didn't understanded me. People can think that the British Commonwealth Occupation Force was the only non-american occupation force in japan, and its maybe true from February 21 1946 but they were non-american occupation soldiers in Japan before February 21 1946! Toya 11:43, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

P-51 Mustang
Hi Grant

Saw your comment about more stuff on the page. I had already added quite a bit on the subject of the original specification and one key person involved in alomst every aspect of its development until it came into service. However, as you can see, the page doesn't link to his Wikipedia entry (also by me), no doubt becuase it stored his page as [Wilfrid_freeman] rather than [Wilfrid_Freeman]. Being so inexperienced, I don't know how to correct it so that I can link the first mention of his name in the Mustang article. Can you help?

Pepperrell --pepperrell 15:57, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Touch rugby
I see you put accross your opinion on the touch rugby or touch football (rugby league) talk page. If you have an opinion, could you vote on the move of touch football (rugby league) to touch rugby please? Thank you. POds 01:57, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
 * What about a article calling "touch rugby (FIT)"? i'm creating a new poll on Talk:Touch football (rugby league) sign on Goldensun 13:06, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I know there is the between league, union, australian, american, etc... but the article Rugby make the distinction so why make it the problem difficult i play this sport in France depends on |French Federation and the french federation depends on FIT. I understand the problem but make effort to find a consensus Goldensun 13:56, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

email to the FIT
Hello i'm a french player, in my country our sport is calling touch rugby. I work on wikipedia did you know that encyclopedia. We have a problem to name our sport and of course to name the article: Touch rugby, touch football (rugby league).

The principal argument of the touch football (rugby league) is the sport created in australia and in australia you call that sport touch football

You can see the discution on: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Touch_rugby for touch rugby http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Touch_football_%28rugby_league%29 for touch football (rugby league)

Can you help us please(sorry for my english) Quentin Goldensun 18:28, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Invitation
Would you like to join WikiProject Cricket? =Nichalp  «Talk»=  12:55, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Wikiproject AFL
Hi Grant. Just wondering if you think it would be worth getting WikiProject AFL up and running? --The Brain of Morbius 11:19, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
 * No worries!--The Brain of Morbius 11:55, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
 * So did you end up setting it up Morbius?  R o  gerthat  Talk  06:43, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Japanese War Crimes
The organization for the page is absolutely terrible. There is now flow to it. I did not remove any material from the page, I just reorganized it so that it would flow better. As far as the "consensus" concerned, I certainly didn't see any consensus in the discussion. Ratwod

South Australian English: My voice
Re Southern Australian English - can you please hear new soundbytes of me talking? I recorded it for Antimoon. What do you think? I kind of sound like a Kiwi!

http://www.geocities.com/south_australian_stress Frances76 09:41, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

NB: I've never been been to NZ and have never lived outside of SA (and Adelaide) until this year.

Frances76 8/10/05


 * There is a similarity. I don't think it involves "i = schwa", as in the stereotyped kiwi accent. Maybe you round your "o" a bit more than most Aussies? But I'm no expert. By the way, to create an account, click this: create an account. There are a few benefits and no disadvantages. ;-) Grant65 (Talk) 11:00, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Indonesian Civil War
Greetings from the United States. I found your name listed in the debate on the Konfrontasi. I'd just like you to know that I've been trying to coordinate a drive to improve the scholarship on the History/Politics of Indonesia. It led me to create an entry for Indonesian Civil War (on the 1965 coup - just seemed like the most NPOV title).

You seem like you know your stuff on military history of the area, so I was wondering if you had any good tidbits to add to the article or anything related to the time period? I submitted it for a peer review that has thus far received few takers.

Also, it occurs to me that the whole period of WWII in Indonesia/the Dutch East Indies isn't particularly well sourced. Is there any place you think might have clues? I'm stumped. --Daniel 04:07, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Portuguese Timor Losses
Hi Grant:

Good catch, I missed this this one.

--Berndd11222 01:20, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

Indonesia in WW2
Hi Grant: Can you recomend a history of WW2 in Indonesia?

--Berndd11222 15:48, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

Australian English
Heh. I originally added Jesse Spencer as an example of General Australian English because some American House MD fans on messageboards think he is putting on a fake English accent, and that all real Aussies speak like Crocodile Dundee and Steve Irwin. Nice work on the clean-up. Cheers Natgoo 12:35, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Do you know any good anti-Japanese societies?

 * Unsigned posts below are from the following IPs: 203.173.172.9, 203.173.173.63 and 203.173.164.240. I have reason to believe that these posts are the work of one person, and I believe the same person is also using the names Hola79 and Bison augustus. I belive he/she has also vandalised my User page on November 9. I have warned "Bison augustus" regarding racist/libellous abuse below and I will take action against him/her or anyone else engaging in abuse/vandalism of/on these pages. Grant65 (Talk) 04:38, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
 * According to the Asia Pacific Network Information Centre, the above IPs all emanate from The Internet Group (ihug) Ltd, of Auckland New Zealand. Grant65 (Talk) 04:46, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Could you help me join yours if its okay?
 * No, you're mistaken, I don't have one, but you can join my campaign against chauvinism, whitewashing, rosy nostalgia, and patriotic, sorry ultranationalist propaganda being presented as historical truth in encyclopedias. Grant65 (Talk) 10:15, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Whitewashing as in the effort by the Australian Federal Government to spare the Aborigines from their barbaric native customs? LOL just kidding of couse not, otherwise some bad things will come up in the Australian Aborigines page in Wikipedia, whoops..is this what you call WHITEWASH? LMAO

I'm a lefty you see and my family have been voting socialist/Democrats since Shigeru Yoshida's second government and that's as anti-Japanese you can get in the domestic POV.

Forget it man, he's one very disgruntled 40 year-old pleading for attention. You will know what it's like when you reach his age in WA (that's Western Australian for just you and me ;)

-Brooke Bruke: Wild On-

Hola79 20:52, 9 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Feel free to put what ever you want on the Australian Aborigines page, as long as its the truth. Are you familiar with the concept of truth? The patriotism that wants to ignore unpleasant truths is for fools and scoundrels. Grant65 (Talk) 00:07, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Yes ignorance of the truth such as not mentioning the subjugation of Australian Aborigines LMAO

WHoa this is one pissed off Jap hatin' Anglo-Australian, what did they stick a kendo stick up his father's bung-hole at Changi prison or somethin'? Buy Holden Commodore, not Jap ought to be his motto.

Bison augustus 09:44, 10 November 2005 (UTC)


 * As far as I'm aware the "subjugation of Australian Aborigines" is covered in the Indigenous Australians article. Are you two friends? Keep up the anti-Australian stuff, it's only conforming my impression of you as ethnocentrists/racists.


 * By the way, what is/are your problem/s? Is it considered bad manners just to mention Japanese war crimes? Grant65 (Talk) 09:52, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Hey I didn't come up with that Native Australian crap, and how does anti-Australian become racists/ethnocentrists if there's the Anglo-Saxons and there's the various WOGS in Australia, when did Australia become a 'race' or is it a One Nation dream with Anglo-Saxons?

Hey I smell another Jap whaitewash conspiracy, check out the Ainu (people) page, there's not enough maudlin support for these people after what the japs have done to them, hence it is your holy task to seek the truth and disclose, pronto!

Bison augustus 10:03, 10 November 2005 (UTC)


 * To name one example, your assertion that I'm a "Jap hatin' Anglo-Australian" is both racist and libellous. As is your sneering about Changi. I'm getting tired of this juvenile "discussion", keep up the abuse and I'll report you. Grant65 (Talk) 10:14, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Hey if you want to contest the Japanese Crown's sovereignty over Taiwan between cession from the Qing and 1945 in the Japanese war crimes section, let me engage in a 'juvenile inquiry' on why Queen Elizabeth II of Great Britain and Northern Ireland should not be exercising sovereignty in the right of Australia why under the inter-temporal doctrine of sovereignty under international law, sovereignty over Australia rests with the Aborigines hence you British have no claim over this continent without ever having a treaty fo cession.

Also libellous by meaning by any forms of defamation under most western civil codes and common law jurisdictions, there is a need that this libel must identify a particular individual/group as opposed to a general, if inappropriately allowed would cause the floodgates to open so the potential for 130 million plaintiffs is hardly proportionate to the tort could it? Fine I'll leave you alone. PEACE V
 * Huh? Grant65 (Talk) 12:13, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

''An individual (or some of the individuals) responsible for the above posts later attempted to delete some of them. I have now reverted the section to its condition on November 13, 2005''. Grant65 | Talk 12:52, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Australian Special Operations Command
Grant, I noticed that you edited my changes to Special Operations Command (Australia) to state that 4 RAR "Incorporates the role of Tactical Assault Group (East)". I listed TAG (E) as a seperate unit within 4 RAR as I belive that it's a permanent company sized unit, and the role doesn't rotate between the Commando companies like TAG(W) rotates between the SAS Squadrons. Do you have a source for your change? (I'm quite happy to be proven wrong, as my belief rests on the vaugely worded descriptions of 4 RAR which typically state that the unit has 3 Commando Companies and TAG(E))

All your other changes to my additions are definitely improvements. Thanks!

--Nick Dowling 01:22, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Australian football team
Just letting you know that you also need to discuss this with the person the concerns you have about the move he made if you haven't already. --Woohookitty(cat scratches) 09:26, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm pleased
To see that you guys seem to have worked out the name of the soccer article. I think I will create a disam page for you guys at Australian national football team. I'll put this on the talk page too and see what people think. --Woohookitty(cat scratches) 06:41, 5 December 2005 (UTC)


 * No problem. :) --Woohookitty(cat scratches) 11:29, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Socceroos is protected from moves
It got moved again this morning. Enough. I see why you were getting so frustrated! 6 moves in the last week. Moves are way too destructive to allow that many, especially when the consensus seems to be for Socceroos or something with "soccer" in the name. Anyway, I'm going to take the page off of my watchlist. Once things seem to have calmed down and you have it worked out, let us know on RfP. I was going to help you guys with a disam page but honestly, just follow the general format of Australian football. Good luck. --Woohookitty(cat scratches) 16:22, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Btw, you had asked about how people get around having to cut and paste to do a move. Well there is an option to Move this page that you can use. And admins (including Cyberjunkie, who has done one of the moves on the page) can revert moves, which basically just undoes the move. The reason why moves are considered destructive if overdone is because they create double redirects, i.e. where you click on a redirect and instead of going to a page, it just goes to another redirect. it's basically an endless loop. --Woohookitty(cat scratches) 16:31, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Felix the cat
Hi Grant,

I really don't have much investment in the current dispute on Felix the cat. I can see that you are at log-a-heads with User:Pietro on the best way to describe the priority dispute on the creation of the Felix character. Now the good news is that you both seem to be gradually converging on an acceptable view point. However, in general Wikipedia finds revert wars highly damaging. It would really be better if you could contribute to the discussion at Talk:Felix_the_Cat rather than engaging in partial reverts. My impression is that Pietro is quite well versed on the subject, but he is a reasonable guty and quite amenable to discussion.

It really doesn't matter if the page isn't perfectly phrased for a couple of weeks. Please thrash out your differences on the talk page first and once everyone can agree on a wording, edit the article appropriately. One of the best ways to sway an argument is to cite external sources for the opposing points of view. -- Solipsist 23:00, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Fabrication of posts and unauthorized signatures of other users
1)Grant65 You have reverted posts legitimately deleted by the respective authors that include signature tags you have inauthoritatively reproduced while those may no-longer represent her/his perspective or have been done so in order to correct errors.

2)Also my posts that you have alleged to be racist/libellous that were deleted at my whim, yet have been restored by *you* twice in context with the same allegation(s). These are fresh publications that are libellous against me in the view of new observers both friends and strangers since 04:26 GMT, 8 December 2005 where your actions could lead to:

a)make them see me in an estimation of character lower than prior to the observation of this publication

b)make them shun me

c)incite violence against me

I will take authoritative action to remedy the actions under paragraph [1] and to mitigate the consequences as listed above [2] that is likely to be taking effect as of now and in the near future due to your publications unless you desist from creating new fabrications with my signature identical or prima facie virtually tantamount in the view of the ordinary and reasonable person compared with what I am immediately deleting from your discussion board.

with regards to my shared suffering friends Bison augustus 14:20, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
 * We have no right to delete our posts on other users' talk pages and it is not "inauthoritative" to revert to what you posted. We lose control of material we submit as soon as it is posted on Wikipedia. You should have thought of that before you did it, since you now seem to be ashamed of what you posted.Grant65 | Talk 02:33, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I repeat, it is vandalism to delete your posts from this page without my permission.Grant65 | Talk 02:36, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

I believe that you have erred in the interpretation of wikipedia policy and rights, I am contacting authorities for your non-consented use of my signature in your discussion page. Bison augustus 03:51, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
 * You put your signature there, I have merely reverted. You have been reported for deletion of material from this page, personal abuse, vandalism of my user page and suspected use of sockpuppets (multiple user IDs). Grant65 | Talk 05:05, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Huh?Bison augustus 06:35, 10 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Hi Grant65, Bison augustus has contacted me on my talkpage to assist me with matters here. A brief perusal suggests that your actions have been right in terms of Wikipedia's policies and procedures. However, if the said user is willing to apologise to you regarding his behavior, wd you be willing to rmv his remaining edits from your talk page? (as you wd know these can be accessed anytime from the history). Also, cd you pl. give me the links where you've reported deletion, abuse and vandalism - this wd help me in getting a better picture of the situation and aid me in determining the future course of action. pl. reply on my talk page. Regards, --Gurubrahma 07:06, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

In my user page history, there is evidence of vandalism by Grant, the content is also libellous that it could dicredit my character. I am willing to retract these complaints if Grant will retract his own complaint against Bison augustus. As you see I am not so much of a threat ranter but I do so to help a friend in need. Personally I think cleaning the slate of this "Japanese Hater" discussion withdrawing our threats and not bothering each other again is the most satisfying resolve. I will try and contact Bison on MSN later today and try to track down that New Zeland IP user. Hola79 07:54, 10 December 2005 (UTC)


 * If Hola79 wishes to apologise to me unreservedly here, I will remove his/her posts alone. The same goes for the other users involved. Grant65 | Talk

Vandalism of the talk page
Fine, then the admin that is looking at it can decide what to do. We usually do not protect talk pages except in extreme circumstances and extreme circumstances would be if the page was being vandalized 15-20 times a day. --Woohookitty(cat scratches) 06:17, 11 December 2005 (UTC)