User talk:Grasshopper6

Deletion is not always the end
Hi, I stumbled across Articles for deletion/Bocconi School of Law Student-Edited Papers and want to let you know of a couple of options. If you want to work on establishing notability yourself, you can ask an administrator (the closing admin would be a good person) to userfy the article. This means that the deleted information would be placed within your usedspace and you can work on it without interference. Another option is the article incubator, here anyone can work on the article outside of mainspace, you can ask an admin to put the deleted info there. A third option is DRV but I would not recommend this for this situation. Hope this was helpful and I hope you decide to continue contributing to Wikipedia. J04n(talk page) 15:39, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Grasshopper, can you pleas post the article to your userspace? If you don't have a copy an admin can restore it there for further consideration. Deletion is not a final step here (as noted above), and a merge, rename, or reworking of the content may lead to an altogether different outcome. Also, comments on user talk pages go at the bottom. Cheers. Happy New Year. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:35, 4 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks ChildofMidnight. I am positively surprised by your interest, and I wish to thank you for that. The latest version of the article (i.e. that which was eventually deleted) can be found below. A reworked version, which might be stronger against criticism of lack of notability, can instead be found here User:Grasshopper6/BocconiLegalPapers. Anyways, here is the version of the article which was actually deleted: [removed by --Grasshopper6 (talk) 10:01, 5 January 2010 (UTC)]


 * Interesting. The parent article on the school is already long, so a merge isn't possible. At one point I thought there were subarticles in cases like this, but maybe that's not done anymore. I'm not really sure. It's a pretty recent publication it looks like, and the sourcing isn't great. So notability for a stand-alone is a problem. ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:23, 5 January 2010 (UTC)


 * My opinion is that this journal doesn't warrant a Wikipedia article devoted to it, yet. The article in the German Law Journal only mentions the journal in passing, and that isnt surprising given that Luigi Russi is the main author of the article.
 * I have restored the deleted article, and redirected it to the article about the university.
 * An article about the law school doesn't exist on English or Italian Wikipedia. We usually have articles about law schools, so it should be possible to write one.
 * If there was an article about the law school, it would be possible to have a small section devoted to the student journal.
 * Note that I have changed Edinburgh Student Law Review to be a redirect to the law school.
 * John Vandenberg (chat) 12:29, 5 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I have created a stub for the Law School in the Article Incubator: Article Incubator/Bocconi University School of Law. Could you please have a look at the section on Bocconi University School of Law Student-Edited Papers, and tell me what you think. The article on the School of Law lacks references, which is why it is in the article incubator. I'll try asking users who edited Bocconi University for help with that.--Grasshopper6 (talk) 14:25, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. I presume you fixed my spelling mistake also (I didn't want to fix it because the edit summary would be buried. :) Also, new messages on user talk pages go at the bottom. Otherwise they're likely to be missed, or you'll get grief from veteran editors who are outraged that all humans don't know how things are done here. ;) You know how to use the watchlist and diffs and all that? Please let me know if I can be of any assistance. Oh and related messages can go under one title (thread header) and don't need a new ==section title== for each. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:12, 5 January 2010 (UTC) Oops, yes you're right. I think I fixed it. Sorry about that. Do you know anything about fried dough and doughnuts? I'd like to cover Scaddateddi, Zeppole Spignesi, Chiacchiere [3], Lattughe, Donzelle, Bugie, Crostoli, Fritole, and Ciambelli. Law is one thing, and food quite another. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:02, 5 January 2010 (UTC) I usually go straight to live. I enjoy the exhiliration of fending off the furious flurry of speedy deletion attempts and other tagging. And it's supposed to be a collegial and collaborative enterprise, so I like to leave things open for others input right from the start. Sometimes it has saved me from recreating an article that already exists. Many editors prefer to work up articles in their userspace, for example User:Grasshopper6/Bugie. Cheers. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:36, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:56, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Apologies accepted
Apologies accepted. WP can be exasperating at times. I am not sure that the AfD for the Bocconi journal would have ended in deletion, but that is moot now. And you're absolutely right that the policy for academic journals is fuzzy. I tried to remedy that by writing the academic journals guideline, but it was not accepted (being criticized by some as being too "inclusionist", by some others as being too "deletionist", no compromise between that seems possible). So now we have to sort things out in AfDs... I hope you odn't give up on WP and look around a bit more. Once you get to know the (sometimes arcane) habits, acronyms, etc, it is quite an interesting place. I'm sorry that we disagreed over this journal. Things like that happen all the time and we can only try to learn from them. If you decide to stay and continue to contribute, let me know if you need advice or help (after all, I've been around for a while now, so I know my way - a bit...) --Crusio (talk) 15:44, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Award

 * Nice work. --ThaddeusB (talk) 06:34, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

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