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The Yama Yama Man
Nicely done...I'd been saving up info in contemplation of writing the article, and you've beaten me to it, and quite ably :) I did change the spelling on the lyricist; "Collin Davis" was a nom de plume. - Nunh-huh 23:09, 24 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh, thanks, well it isn't wasn't much, just discovered it for the first time a few hours ago, thought it was neat and did the old Google Books search. The lyrics are great so I hope to transcribe them from the sheet music unless you happen to have them. Green Cardamom (talk) 23:13, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I have them, I'll dig them out. - Nunh-huh 23:22, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Here are the lyrics for the first two verses; they get increasingly nonsensical as the encores accumulate.

The Yama-Yama Man Composer: Karl Hoschna Lyricist: Collin Davis 1. Ev'ry little tot at night, Is afraid of the dark you know. Some big Yama man they see, When off to bed they go. Yama, Yama, the Yama man, Terrible eyes and a face of tan. If you don't watch out he'll get you without a doubt, If he can. Maybe he's hiding behind the chair, Ready to spring out at you unaware. Run to your mama, For here comes the Yama Yama man. 2. Great big scary eyes you see, So you cover up your head. But that Yama man is there, Standing right beside your bed. Yama, Yama, the Yama man, Terrible eyes and a face of tan. If you don't watch out he'll get you without a doubt, If he can. Maybe he's hiding behind the chair, Ready to spring out at you unaware. Run to your mama, For here comes the Yama Yama man. If you are interested, I can transcribe the sillier ones. - Nunh-huh 23:28, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Now to figure out what the song is about... perhaps something hidden, or just gibberish. Green Cardamom (talk) 04:59, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Only the first two verses seem to have even a peripheral connection to the "subject" of the song...the following verses were written for Bessie McCoy's inevitable encores (Nell Brinkley described her thus: "she swings on her heel and leaps away into a wild fantastic headlong dance--the dance of a crazy king's clown, half girl, half wild boy, heady with the wine of the Spring air at twilight….The black satin of her bloomers fills like sails, and they ripple and flatten against her body. Her hair files in loose flax around her face, and her face is a vivid white candle flame in the yellow aureole of her hair….Her feet might be bounding white balls carrying her body with them in their riles, leaping flight. She circles madly around the boards, touching lightly and rebounding form the jutting points of the painted mock scenery, like an imprisoned moth, or an elf hunting for some lost thing and fearful of being caught. She is wonderful.") and seem to be filled with the topical references typical of revues rather than book musicals... For example, the 6th verse's topicality can be seen in this letter: To the Editor of The New York Times: It is quite some time since the trial and approval of the "pay-as-you-enter cars," and I fail to see why they have not been introduced on the Broadway line. A strong public sentiment favors these new and up-to-date cars, since they not only gather in the nickels, but they do away with crowding, shoving, jamming, and the abominable nuisance of the conductor, who used to throw people down and step over them in his eagerness to gather the coin that he paid over, or did not pay over, to the car companies.

-- LOUIS M. FISHER. New York, April 26, 1909.

The "cars" of course, were streetcars, "traction" was the general term for movement by locomotive car. In 1909 the Pay-as-you-go-car issued stock and so it was quite topical around the time of Three Twins. - Nunh-huh 05:50, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Wow this is great. Reminds me of reading Sister Carrie. Thanks for all this I've incorporated it into the article. Green Cardamom (talk) 06:43, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I've changed the lyricist's name back to his pen name (Collin Davies), because I think it's important that it match his ASCAP and Victor Library credits, and it's the name you'll find in discussions about the song; it's also not just his name without the "George", because his real name was George Collins Davies, with an "s" on the "Collins". I think the footnote I added, along with the link (if he ever gets an article) should keep things straight. - Nunh-huh 19:28, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Agreed, had not noticed the "s" in the name. The picture of McCoy is fantastic, great find. Green Cardamom (talk) 02:14, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I think that it would be good to download the Ada Jones performance from Internet Archives and link it in the article so it can play as people read. It's certainly public domain, but I'm still hesitant, so I thought I'd suggest it to you and you could do it if you think it's fair. - Nunh-huh 23:02, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Good idea, done. Thanks for catching my typos and misunderstanding about "rats". Green Cardamom (talk) 00:46, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I spot bad spellings from 30 paces, so if you don't resent me fixing them, I'm happy to do it. The article's looking rather good now, if I do say so myself :) - Nunh-huh 01:24, 30 December 2011 (UTC) P.S. Also, I've noticed that some modern performances tend to replace "a face of tan" with alternative lyrics ("long thin hands", etc.), probably for reasons of political correctness. But I don't think that should be added unless we can find a reliable source making note of it. - Nunh-huh 01:47, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I've also found the cover page of sheet music that links the Yama-Yama Man with the cartoon character Koko the Clown...it probably belongs in the influences section. - Nunh-huh 16:32, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Planet of Dinosaurs
Hi, I noticed that you added "Planet of Dinosaurs is registered as copyright to Deathbeast Productions, in the United States Copyright Office database, it is not in the public domain. It has been claimed that the film lacks a copyright notice and is therefore in the public domain, but that rule only applies for works published prior to 1978." to the Planet of Dinosaurs article. I'm a bit confused because I don't see where it has been claimed that the film lacks a copyright notice. Could you point me in the right direction so that I could cite that claim and avoid any WP:WEASEL problems? Thanks. Canadian  Paul  21:03, 1 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Someone had posted the claim in List of films in the public domain in the United States‎ (unsourced) and it went unchallenged for a long time and spread around the Internet and can be seen in various places like YouTube etc .. for purposes of reliable sources I changed the wording of what it says to remove any mention of claims, just notified on Copyright Office records and law about copyright notices. Green Cardamom (talk) 23:12, 1 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Great. Thanks for letting me know! Canadian   Paul  16:41, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Oranges
Hey Green C, happy new year to you! Thanks for your ping. I think the mockup is good, I'm not sure about the bold link in the lead (see WP:MOSBOLD) and I don't think the notes column should be so wide now there's so much added to the shortlisted col, perhaps work that a bit. Also, since we have so few images, it's now a case of either ditching them all, adding all we have down the right-hand side or keeping it as it is (which looks odd to me). Your thoughts would be appreciated. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:43, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

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Re: McLintock!
Got some additional sources:
 * From Billboard


 * And another:

That's all I can find for now.

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Talk:Storm in a Teacup (film)
I have recently added RFC section; I wonder if you suddenly approve. I received a message from Begoon:"George - I thought we were going to agree on the RFC question before you created the RFC? Your question seems fine to me, I'd only play with the wording a bit, but that's not important. Hopefully Green Cardamom approves of your question too."

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Category:Public domain films in the United States
The administrators would not be able to revive Category:Public domain films due to scope and sources per deletion review. Categorizing every film listed in List of films in the public domain in the United States is exhausting. I wonder if you would assist. --George Ho (talk) 00:01, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Re: References
If you like that way of referencing, try the script I am using - the author is User:Δ, I forgot the direct link. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; talk to me 22:54, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

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Category:Book Sense Book of the Year winners
Category:Book Sense Book of the Year winners, which you created, has been nominated for discussion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mike Selinker (talk) 14:37, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Wikilinking inside book titles
What do you mean by "disagree"? Disagree with the consensus you hope to find? Or am I inconsistent within my user space (two sections that I mentioned), or inconsistent from user space to the list and the articles? The big list of winners was internally inconsistent last month and I made it consistent, i think.

(I will watch here but I may now be done for the day. Good night.) --P64 (talk) 20:04, 24 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh maybe we have a miscommunication. A few days ago I posted this but you didn't respond so I didn't know your thoughts on it, then I saw the draft page just posted, and saw wikilinks inside titles, so thought you were going ahead with that format. Let me know how you think about it, I can help out making everything consistent if you want help in that area. Green Cardamom (talk) 20:08, 24 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I didn't read that comment. Perhaps because I so quickly (next day) contributed again to the same Talk page, I missed it on my watchlist.
 * Next day I did see this and replied here (above).
 * Certainly I prefer wikilinks within title myself, as a user. To me the explicit notes are clutter.
 * I wonder whether we should use nothing, rather than explanatory notes or links within titles, in the List of winners of the National Book Award. The lists of winners and finalists are inevitably cluttered, so that is the better choice if we will do it in one of the two locations.
 * I do like having the links, or I wouldn't bother with the research that underlies them. Now I must go (run) for the day. --P64 (talk) 20:33, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Morgan Kavanagh
Please see my talk page.

Robertjohnk (talk) 03:12, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Morgan Kavanagh
Hi again.

Thanks for your offer of help.

Perhaps you can assist with the following:

I have in front of me a photocopy of the following document:

Morgan Kavanagh, Application to The Literary Fund, November 4, 1844, Royal Literary Fund (RLF) file no. 548, item 15, British Library.

Two extracts from this document should be of interest here:

"I know neither my age nor where I was born; but believe it was in Dublin about the year 1799".

and

"I have dropped the name of Peter on learning that it was not strictly legal, it being only a name which I adopted when confirmed."

The first of these extracts is the justification for changing the birth year from 1800 to ca 1799.

The second deals with the matter of Morgan's name. Many people use the name Morgan Peter Kavanagh whereas, strictly speaking, it should be simply Morgan Kavanagh. Most of his publications used the shorter name.

I have not seen Sutherland's book. But I note that he has misspelled the name Kavanagh.

As you created this page in the first place I suggest that you change Morgan Peter Kavanagh to Morgan Kavanagh.

As I have said, I do have a considerable amount of information about Morgan Kavanagh which is not widely known. Admittedly, Morgan Kavanagh was not a person of widespread interest but I would like to assist in making this Wikipedia page a bit more comprehensive. I'm somewhat unsure where to start.

Meanwhile, you probably haven't seen this book:

Eileen Fauset, The politics of writing: Julia Kavanagh, 1824-1877, Manchester University Press, 2009. Chapter One contains information about Morgan Kavanagh (some of which I contributed) and may be of interest to you. Also, I note that you have contributed to the Wikipedia page on Julia Kavanagh. It would be worthwhile, I think, to add Eileen Fauset's book to the references on that page.

Hoping that this is useful.

Robertjohnk (talk) 20:07, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Julia Kavanagh
Hi

You may have seen that I have made a few changes to the Julia Kavanagh page. I hope that I have done it correctly. Please advise me in case I have made mistakes.

Thanks again for your generous help.

Robertjohnk (talk) 01:27, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Julia Kavanagh
Hi

Thanks very much. I was uncertain about those brackets. I am gradually learning the ropes. Back to Morgan again soon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robertjohnk (talk • contribs) 18:12, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Morgan Kavanagh
Hi again.

I am just about ready to make some additions to the Morgan Kavanagh page. My additions will build upon the good work you have already done. I plan to organize the page with headings: Early Life, Works on Philology, Novels, Personal Life, Publications by Morgan Kavanagh, References.

I think the best way to proceed is to add one section at a time and hope for your feedback before adding further changes.

I shall add the Early Life section shortly.

Robertjohnk (talk) 23:07, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Many thanks for your help. I'm about to add some more to the article. After I'm finished adding bits I'll deal with the lead.

Robertjohnk (talk) 21:06, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

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Morgan Kavanagh
Hi, following your suggestion I am preparing a short lead-in piece for the beginning of the Morgan Kavanagh article. It seems to me that it would then be more logical to move your items relating to Morgan's date of birth and his Peter name to the Early Life section.

Would you agree with this ? If so, I'll go ahead.

Many thanks.

Robertjohnk (talk) 04:22, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi again:

I am very pleased to see the improvements which you have made to the Morgan Kavanagh article. I regret that I missed a few things in my editing. But I am slowly learning!

I think that completes my editing of that page. I could have added more, but I have to remember that the subject of the article is not likely to be of interest to many people!

I wish to thank you for all of your help to a new contributor to Wikipedia.

Best wishes.

Robertjohnk (talk) 01:45, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi,

Thanks for your note and for the link to Wikipedia article traffic statistics. I wasn't aware of that. I think that most of the recent views were from me as I worked on the editing ! But I shall keep an eye on these statistics and also those for the Julia Kavanagh article.

Robertjohnk (talk) 00:07, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

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Template:Did you know nominations/Seaman Frank
Hi, I've reviewed this (I moved it back to the original location because moving the templates breaks things but mainly because I couldn't figure out how to edit it otherwise!) and I'm afraid there are a couple of issues. The more serious one is that I don't find the hook referenced or even mentioned in the article text. The other is that you appear to have at least 5 DYK credits and therefore to need to do a quid pro quo review, and there is none noted in the template. I've watchlisted the template, hope we can get these hurdles crossed soon so that I can pass the article. Yngvadottir (talk) 19:28, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Inline citations
1. "You don't have to use inline citations on Wikipedia. It's best practice and recommended, but there are plenty of articles that use References at the end with no inline. In fact for the first 3 or 4 years of Wikipedia, inline cites were almost non existent."
 * Yes, inline citations weren't very common for those old years. I was around back then. But that was way back then. Wikipedia has developed since then to become more complex, more developed, more exacting. When an article doesn't use inline citations, it's a serious problem. It's tagged, saying that inline citations are needed. So in effect, yes, for stuff that is not "common knowledge" and/or is likely to be challenged you have to have inline citations. In practice, very little is "common knowledge" or is unlikely to be challenged. To make a good article today, in 2012, inline citations are mandatory.

2. "2. When you delete key information like the above, you effectively unreferenced the entire article without noting it anywhere, such as on the talk page, or putting the inlines in yourself. That is not good practice. I realize you are passionate about having inlines and believe the only response is to immediately delete it and move on - but think through the consequence and think about how you can inform future editors of this information so they can take steps to correct it. Don't assume the article is on someones watchlist. You just deleted it without taking any positive steps to correct it or note that information anywhere, and now the article is a unreferenced article that future editors will have no idea it once actually had information about the source used in writing it."
 * The article isn't supposed to be cited in that manner. It cites a large video, but I don't know how much of the content really comes from the video, or how much was added by anonymous users who didn't understand that the video was supposed to be a "primary reference." For all I know, the notice that "Unless otherwise noted it is the primary source for this article." could have been left back awhile ago, before some new anon came in and added more uncited information. We don't use "Unless otherwise noted it is the primary source for this article." the same reason why we don't use ibid on Wikipedia - they date really quickly.
 * And the article shouldn't even rely on one source that much. We have to tell people that there needs to be a wider variety of sources. Part of the reason why I didn't attempt to correct the "unciting" of the article, is because I had no idea if the article was really even cited that way, or if it was just an outdated notice.
 * If a video is to be cited, generally it is best to include minute counts, like "03:30" to indicate where in the video the cited material comes from. Be as specific as possible so an editor verifying the content can quickly check for the material.
 * I do attempt to "inform future editors of this information so they can take steps to correct it" through edit summaries, calling attention to major changes. I do go on inexperienced editors' talk pages and tell them "Hey! You need to be doing X, Y, and Z" if they do something wrong.

WhisperToMe (talk) 15:11, 5 April 2012 (UTC)


 * You should have moved the statement "Unless otherwise noted it is the primary source for this article" to the talk page with the above explanation, and not just deleted it, as a courtesy to future editors who might want to go back through the article history and figure out what that statement is referring to so that they can add inline citations. It's not difficult using the article history to figure it out, not a mystery. But it did become a mystery when you deleted the statement without leaving a record of it on the talk page, future editors just see an unsourced article with no explanation (unless they happen to view older revisions). Anyway I caught it and added the inline cites. As for single source, there is no other source that details the inner workings of the NYTBR, I've looked. The video source is of very high quality in terms of reliability and verifiability, plus there are 5 other sources in the article. If there were more sources for some of the facts, I'd certainly add them, they just don't exist, at least not accessible online and none that I know of offline. As for adding video time tags, yes agree that would be best, when I get some time to rewatch the hour video I will do so. Green Cardamom (talk) 16:08, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I did intend to use the edit history itself as a way of alerting people. Perhaps next time I could also use the talk page too, just to be thorough. Anyhow I do encounter sources which are the only ones which explain X aspect of a subject, and they can be very, very helpful. Even so, an article still has to have a variety of sources. One can accomplish this by using sources to back up the stuff that is not unique to the video and/or building up sections of subjects that are not covered in the video. Based on the description the video itself sounds like a great resource. WhisperToMe (talk) 21:44, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Frank Laskier
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DYK for The Yama Yama Man
The DYK project (nominate) 09:33, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

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Immensee
Good deal! The novella definitely needed an article. But isn't it Bees' Lake, plural? More importantly, I think that should be the primary article and be moved to Immensee. Yngvadottir (talk) 21:01, 27 April 2012 (UTC)


 * The sources I have "Bee's Lake", possessive. Perhaps Elisabeth is symbolically a bee? It's not clear which "Immensee" is most popular (book, movie or place) so how about we make it a dab page. Green Cardamom (talk) 21:12, 27 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Hmm, I'd say the novella trumps the village and the film, but that may be my academic bias :-) Here's one scholar rendering it Lake of the Bees]; I left out of my expansion of the film article Harlan's use of bee imagery, which I think goes to show why he is often accused of "overwrought" filmic techniques. (Here's someone talking of the Immen in the plural while making that point about the film, in German in 1942.) Yngvadottir (talk) 21:33, 27 April 2012 (UTC)


 * There's an academic paper called "Bee's Lake, or the Curse of Silence: A Study of Theodore Storm's Immensee" (in German Life and Letters, 1962). The book Theodor Storm's Immensee: A Critical Overview refers to it as "Bee's Lake". These seemed more reliable since they are works dedicated about the book. But of course it's a translation so there may be no consensus. I just read the book after seeing your article. Green Cardamom (talk) 21:52, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

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re: Bloke
On the contrary, there was no consensus to add that content. And while I believe completely that your contribution was in good faith and was in ignorance of the prior decisions, it is still a mere dictionary definition. That is, the content (whether presented in paragraph form or in bullets) is all more lexical than encyclopedic. It is an article about a word including meaning, etymology, usage notes and such. The encyclopedia article about the underlying concept is at man.

To see the prior versions of the page which were also purely lexical and which were repeatedly rejected by the community, just look at the pagehistory behind Bloke itself. Here is an example. It was moved to Wiktionary in 2005 based on a solid consensus that lexical entries belong at our sister project and encyclopedia entries belong here. Over time, it was again turned into a dictionary definition and again slashed back to the disambiguation content. I am not aware of any consensus to reverse those decisions.

What I did, by the way, is explicitly not deletion as we use that term here at Wikipedia. If I had deleted it, there would have been no pagehistory for you to restore. Deletion requires special admin powers to execute and special admin powers to undo. Deletion removes the pagehistory. Removing content from a page, even to the point of turning the entire page into a redirect, has no effect on pagehistory, requires no special powers to execute and can be (as you demonstrated) reverted by anyone. Removing content is an ordinary-editor action and is not deletion. As such, AfD has no jurisdiction. Were I to propose such a thing, the debate would be immediately shut down as inappropriate. So, no, I will not propose it to AfD - that forum is irrelevant.

I do appreciate your contributions. Wikipedia needs more good editors. But if you want to create entries about words rather than about concepts, I recommend you consider our sister project instead. Rossami (talk) 13:39, 23 May 2012 (UTC)


 * First off I have been an editor of Wikipedia since 2004 so appreciate your tone in the last paragraph. Second the content I wrote went beyond dictionary def, that is your opinion and I can assure you there are other editors on Wikipedia who might disagree with you given the chance, a chance which you are not willing to make available to me or others. Finally it is a delete because it was changed from a dab page to an article page, two different types of pages, you deleted the article page. Since you reverted again I see no other option but to pursue outside help. Green Cardamom (talk) 15:13, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Let's put the question up for more opinions. I have no objection to posting your draft (or a static link to a version containing that draft) on Talk:Bloke and lets see what others say.  Again, I concede that your content was well-written and well-sourced.  Where we disagree is whether that content went beyond the merely lexical.  I saw nothing beyond definition, etymology and usage notes, all things that one would expect in an unabridged dictionary.  Rossami (talk) 15:43, 23 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Definition, etymology and usage notes are all the things you would expect to find in an encyclopedia article. See for example fuck. The difference is the style of writing and tone and other small things. Dictionaries and encyclopedia's often have the same content, they are just presented differently in both style and volume. The encyclopedia article has room to expand on things, such as history and and asides and other things. There is content in my article that would not be appropriate for a dictionary, my article could not be simply copied over to the dictionary. Green Cardamom (talk) 16:04, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Fifteen Men - new rendition
Hello, I don't know if you've seen the most recent TV adaptation of Treasure Island. If you haven't, you might be interested to know, as trivia if as nothing else, that they do a rendition of "Fifteen Men." Check it out if you like. If you can't access it, let me know and I might be able to show you the scene.DrBaldhead (talk) 19:20, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Dispute at Talk:Shin Dong-hyuk (human rights activist)
Thank you Greedn Cardamom for letting me know about the incident. I was also aware of that user User:M0rphzone effectively deleted all the active discussions, and thought this wasn't right. Let me know if you need any help on the incident. Oh by the way, you left a message at a wrong place when you talk to Morphzone. I think you'd better to move it to his talk page. Best, --PBJT (talk) 21:04, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Just to let you know, you are continuing to bring this up and I am considering it harassment especially since you are involving other editors as well and posted on the admin board. Restore your own comments, but I do not want mine restored because I "never posted them". - M0rphzone (talk) 21:33, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

This is where the talk should have taken place, or at my talk page. I don't like how you are questioning my actions or canvassing on the noticeboard. If you continue to harass me about this, I will bring this up as well. I have restored the deleted comments. - M0rphzone (talk) 22:55, 10 June 2012 (UTC)


 * And this:

"'apparently some sort of personal stalking for anyone that disagrees with him/her'"
 * Really? You care this much that you're trying to see what I'm doing? You think I'm "stalking" people? Who's the one "stalking" now? You want to know why I have a watchlist subpage? Everyone has a watchlist, and if you didn't know, everything I edit gets added to my watchlist, which causes it to be quite large. I only put links on the separate page for topics that haven't been responded to, or are current issues at that time, so that I can view it faster than loading a whole watchlist. You really need to stop nosing into my personal stuff, especially since you vandalized my userpage as well, and you didn't notify me properly on my talk page. (Oh and you know why I thought you were a girl? First, it's because of your name; it says "cardamom" in it, which I associated with being female. But this wasn't the main reason; it was because you replied like you were making such a big deal out of it, and dramatizing the article topic as well, and you were nosing around in how I replied as well. I don't know why you acted like that, but if you are a guy, you should just DGAF about random, unimportant things, and focus on important, essential topics. I'm not trying to make this into some gender issue, but you're coming off as some nosy, girl whose trying to decide what other editors do). I suggest you work on more important things, unless you really think these issues and my personal stuff is so important that you have to make a big deal about it. I want to ignore this event and do my own business, but with you making a racket and harassing me, that is very hard to do. I suggest considering this event as never happened, and walking away from the scene, but if you continue to report on my actions like you did on the admin board and stalk me, I will report you for harassment. And if you haven't figured out already, if you keep bringing this issue up with me, I will continue to reply and continue to be involved in it because I tend to try getting the last word in, and I do not like it when other editors nose around in my business. The issue has already been resolved; I have restored ALL removed comments including yours and mine. I strongly suggest not replying or bringing up this issue further. In fact, I will be logging off permanently and not logging back in until I feel like it. If you like driving people away from editing, you've done a good job of doing that; and if you want to drive more people away, keep on doing what you're doing - I guarantee you'll cause more people to stop editing as well. It's best for this wiki isn't it? Don't even bother replying. - M0rphzone (talk) 21:57, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

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Porter Prize
I noticed that you deleted all of the historic winners of the Porter Prize. Wondering why. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Caprimulgus vociferus (talk • contribs) 01:26, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Yes I was wondering the exact same thing. The list is verified, please stop. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emorrison22 (talk • contribs) 16:23, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Look, folks, you really need to communicate with me on Talk:John_Addison_Porter_Prize. I've left numerous messages in numerous places for you to correspond with me and work through the concerns raised. There are serious concerns with the validity of the list, and it's verifiability. The fact that you are refusing to discuss the matter and now engaging in an edit war makes me even more concerned that you are in fact vandals and not operating in good faith. I'm still not sure that is the case, you appear to be inexperienced Wikipedia users and don't understand how things work here. So you must stop reverting, and start communicating on the talk page, or we will have a problem. Green Cardamom (talk) 16:31, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

I don't know of which talk you speak. Am not an active user on wikipedia, so forgive me if I am missing it. I will concede that for some earlier years of the prize there are no records of winners beyond what had been produced on wikipedia. However, as many of the more recent years of winners are academics who have hyperlinked their names to their university webpages (or, in some cases, even provided official Yale record of the awards' receipt), it is disrespectful of you to entirely delete the winners list. Some might even call that vandalism. I'm done arguing with you about this though. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.200.233.96 (talk) 05:05, 19 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Please see Talk:John Addison Porter Prize. Every article has a tab at the top of the page that says "Talk", this is where editors discuss about the article, it's normally where you would go. Happy to discuss further there, thanks. The problem is that many of the names have no source, and the ones linking to staff University pages, well, anyone could say they won the award couldn't they? It appears to me that some of the names are people attempting to use Wikipedia to make it look like they are award winners, to pad their CV. This is a not uncommon problem. It seems odd to me that Yale does not provide an authoritative list of winners to use as a source. Green Cardamom (talk) 14:37, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

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So it comes from Cardamom. I should've looked it up earlier before I saw it in a food/drink article. - M0rphzone (talk) 22:19, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

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In Other Rooms, Other Wonders

 * Previously you redirected the article In Other Rooms, Other Wonders, but that I have recreated, actually I was not aware that article was redirected to Daniyal Mueenuddin by you. I do not know the reasons.Nevertheless, please you can add free image of the book, if possible.Thanks.Justice007 (talk) 23:09, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Dan Oates
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Amish Population
Hi! I am really curious what you think should be done about the tags you recently put on List of U.S. states by Amish population. Are you aware of some new books out about the Amish? The literature on the Amish is sparse, to say the least. The books by Kraybill are about all I know of. The Amish don't really cooperate with the census takers and there is no central organization of Amish congregations. If you know of newer sources than Kraybill, please by all means, share. Otherwise, I would venture to say that the info on that page is as up to date as it is going to get and would ask that you please remove the tags. Thanks. Gtwfan52 (talk) 22:33, 29 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Hope the recent edit helped re: the new census. There's a lot to be said about the pop of Amish in the US as currently being reported in many news sources about the exploding population of Amish. Green Cardamom (talk) 22:49, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. Any idea how I might get my hands on the full study?Gtwfan52 (talk) 03:52, 30 July 2012 (UTC)


 * They appear to be selling it for $45. The FAQ says the data can be downloaded for free but I don't see the 2010 data (just 2000 and earlier). It's possible the 2010 report is so new they have no updated the website yet. Green Cardamom (talk) 05:03, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

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I agreed with your rebuttal analysis that Korean literature in translation was a finite list, very likely mostly complete and focused on the limited fiction work translated into English (which I didn't see until you pointed it out). Being an English Wikipedia, I immediately saw the list as a very valuable information source to English Wikipedia under WP:LISTPURP. Apparently, the closer thought our arguments were not based in WP policy and viewed the 'unsupported conclusory statements with links' of those posting before us as "arguments with a basis in WP policy." -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 10:54, 14 October 2012 (UTC)


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The subject of the article wants it deleted, and you mentioned there may be ways to do that on the AFD page. What are the options? Davemcarlson (talk) 15:41, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
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Hey GC- I found some new sources on the Condie novel Reached, so I wanted some more eyes on it. I've un-redirected it because I found two more sources and a review, although I'm sort of halfway on the sources since they're sort of general. Want to take a look at it? Tokyogirl79 (talk) 06:56, 10 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Added a source. This is a major series up there in sales with Hunger Games. Recommend keep as reviews will be coming soon and enough to hold over till. -- Green Cardamom (talk) 21:09, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Help?
I'm kind of hesitant to nom this article, but I'm sort of leaning towards it being necessary for Unfettered. Long story short, this is a book with a heart of gold type purpose: to raise money to go towards Scott Speakman's medical bills. (He runs or is influential in running Suvudu.) The only problem? All of the coverage so far would be considered primary, as it's all by people involved with the project. The book hasn't been released yet and there's zero in-depth coverage of this in any independent and reliable sources. The most I can find is an Elbakin post and I'm not even sure that this site is considered reliable. You'll probably see this up on AfD and if so, I'm expecting a fight over it. I hate myself for nominating it but at the same time I can't give it special treatment that I don't give other authors...Tokyogirl79 (talk) 08:30, 10 November 2012 (UTC)


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List of films in the public domain in the United States
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That's fine. Can we move to Talk:Bushidō literature to continue discussion of what to do? elvenscout742 (talk) 06:07, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

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Hallo Green, I'd just like to thank you for your kind words on the UKA Press deletion discussion. It has, as you so rightly surmised, been many years of constant struggle to keep heads above water whilst trying to compete with The Big Boys. Oh well, c'est la vie, I suppose. Thanks again, anyway, much appreciated. Andrea. AndreaUKA (talk) 12:03, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

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Hey GC! I wanted to ask you a favor. I've been keeping tabs on reviews for the rest of the Fifty Shades series and I was just thinking that it might be time to create an entry for the series as a whole. I'm not sure what else we can put in that isn't already in the original article other than reviews for the other books and a series synopsis, though. It's a rather big overhaul since people will expect more out of it than with other articles, so I wanted to get someone else in to help creating it. I couldn't think of anyone better than you! I've started a draft at User:Tokyogirl79/Fifty Shades Trilogy and wanted to extend an invitation to you to edit away at the userspace copy. I have some sources at my sandbox ([User:Tokyogirl79/sandbox]]) under the appropriate headings. I got some of the article done, but it's been a while since I've read the book and I also don't want it to merely be a restating of the original article. Interested?Tokyogirl79 (talk) 17:17, 8 December 2012 (UTC)