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re: Pablo Fanque
I initially found out from Dr. John M. Turner's biography of Pablo, which includes a photo belonging to the estate of Pablo's son Ted Pablo, in Gretchen Holrook Gerzina's "Black Victorians-Black Victoriana" (2003). The photo shows a tall, lanky, gaunt-faced and dark-skinned man in a suit.

However, Turner's biography is riddled with factual errors. Such as the wrong birth date, wrong info on Darby's stage name (it was actually The Fantastique Pablo, but a billboard and flyer printer's error shortened and swapped his name to Pablo Fanque, which he'd adopted as his stage name since, but his surname remained: Pablo); wrong info about Pablo's parents (contemporary news reports make it clear that his father wasn't a slave or house servant (he was the head of gardeners), and his mother was a farmer's daughter, who basically married his father because of his higher social position) and Pablo's siblings. So I assumed Dr. Turner had made another mistake with this photo of a lanky guy.

I later attended a seminar on British black history, which featured a slide show of various black Britons. One of them was Pablo. This time, he was standing next to his second wife Elizabeth Corker next to a billboard. Again he was lanky and gaunt-faced. Nothing like the one in the Wikipedia entry. I asked the person (I forget his name, but I can dig it up if you need it) where he got the photo from. He said it was a scan of a photo he borrowed from a descendant of Pablo's cousin Robert Smith Stamp (Pablo's mother Mary Stamp's nephew), who was living in Little Ryburgh, Norfolk, with his wife Elizabeth.

That actually prompted me to create Pablo's family tree, which revealed Pablo's father - John Darby - was born in Norwich, Norfolk, on 13th November in 1766 and that John Darby's father John Darby (Pablo's grandfather) was also born in Norwich where he eventually married Ann Whetherby.

Grandfather Darby's own father John Darby was originally from Saint Kitts, where he was a son of a black woman and a white man, and had worked on various ships until he came to Norwich where he settled and married Ann (yes, another Ann!). Basically, Pablo was a third-generation Briton and a fourth-generation mixed-race Darby (his father and grandfather's mothers and his great-grandfather's father were white).

During that family-tree search, I found a published sketch of Grandfather Darby in a 1723 newspaper report, which recorded his testimony against a thief. He was tall and lanky, just like Pablo in Turner's book. For me, the resemblance confirms the Ted Pablo estate photo is likely the correct image of Pablo.

Sorry it's long-winded, but hope this helps. I don't have a photo, sorry. I couldn't make a copy of the sketch as the archivist wouldn't let me because I didn't have academic credentials. You already have the Black Victoriana book, so no point in scanning it for you, right? I could make a copy of the Darby family tree. Warning, it's pretty extensive, which includes Pablo's siblings and spouses and their children, and Pablo's seven children with four women (Susanna Marlow, Elizabeth Corker, Sarah Smith and Maria Banham). 0zero9nine (talk) 22:13, 25 January 2018 (UTC)


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 * Hey there! Did you ever get around to writing a book on Fanque Pablo? You gathered a prodigious amount of info you should share with the world. At least edit his entry on Wikipedia to share what you know. Greenebee (talk) 16:01, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

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