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Arabic Text

 * If you're on Windows, you could try holding Alt and typing "200e". Or you could just copy and paste a string that contains the character, like this:  You could also create a template like  that will insert that single character when substed. Anomie⚔ 01:32, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, cannot get this to work. Where exactly in the following string does the character go? Hardan ’Abdul Ghaffar al-Tikriti (حردان عبدالغفار التكريتي) (born 1925... Greenshed (talk) 21:32, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Really, just about anywhere that makes sense. You could put it just after the last Arabic character (remember, in this context that may mean "to the left of the leftmost"), or in between the s, or between there and the , or even in the place of "born". Entering something like   should work perfectly. Anomie⚔ 00:29, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

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RAF Iraq Command
Can you please state your references for this. I am attempting to expand the article on Leo Amery in particular as Colonial Secretary and in his membership of Round Table The Iraq issue was a major problem during his tenure. There are not many references to it. Thanks Backnumber1662 (talk) 00:13, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

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Succession Box Problem: s-ref
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Italian Air Force ensign
Hi! No, the Aeronautica Militare don't have a distinctive flag, but use a normal Italian flag, like any other military corp of Italy, the so called war flag (these flags are eventually awarded whit medals). You can find the Aeronautica Militare war flag here: http://www.aeronautica.difesa.it/htm/bandiera.asp. It's quite logical in fact: since the Italian militaries fight for Italy, it is strange that they uses other flags. Cheers, :) F l a n k e r (talk) 00:06, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

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MRAF
MRAF is a 5 star rank Although I agree with you, there are many who don't and insist on removing such statements. Hence my statement: Marshal of the Royal Air Force is equivalent to a 5 star rank, which is indisputable whatever one's point of view is. Can you supply a reliable source to support MRAF is a 5 star rank? If not, might it not be less contentious to restore the statement Marshal of the Royal Air Force is equivalent to a 5 star rank? What do you think? Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 03:06, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Wow! You've been busy! Well done!! Pdfpdf (talk) 00:47, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

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Ralph Barker
Hi Greenshed. Do you have an idea where we could ask for a photo of Mr.Barker for the article on him ? I checked several of his publishers but could not find something. --Panth (talk) 18:02, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi again. I have only the book "The Royal Flying Corps in World War I" from the series "A Brief History" was published in 2002. Its a compilation of the 2 Volume set "The Royal Flying Coprs in France" published 1995. There is no photo of him inside. I could only ask Alex Revell if he knows his address or ask a friend who is in the RAF if there are any photos of him. Not sure if this will turn out something but the man is now 90 or 91 years. Yes i will help you with the German version of Trenchard page. Leave me a message when you are ready, i will have a look at the German page in the meanwhile. --Panth (talk) 12:06, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

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Trenchard Articles
Hi Greenshed. I have read the German article Hugh Trenchard, it is very rudimentary and misses a lot of material. There is nothing about his time in africa, almost nothing about pre-wwi, little about wwi and not enough about WWII. Also it lacks the more important boxes at the end of the article. In the english article under subchapter "Flying School" we should clarify under which circumstances Trenchard earned his wings. Ralph Barker writes in his book that it was only possible for him to do it before he was 40 years because he was helped by a friend who was with him in Africa who then worked at the flying school. Also a friend of mine who is in the RAF has found it very doubious how he could accomplish to earn his before he got 40. He thinks that Trenchard had signed the papers probably by himself. Is there any explicit mention in the Andrew Boyle source about this incident? I dont have this book in my library. Outstanding work on the english article so far. Greetings --Panth (talk) 10:40, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

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Military ranks template
Perhaps you can help? I'm really puzzled. I really don't understand the point of this template in its revised form. To me, it's worse than useless because it's misleading. The 2* & 3* ranks have been removed, and Air Marshal is on the same row as General & Admiral, implying they are equivalent, when we both know that they are not. Can you explain to me why the 2* & 3* ranks have been removed? (After all, they are much more common than the 4* and 5* ranks which are still in the table!!). Thanks, Pdfpdf (talk) 12:44, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Mmmm. I guess there is some sort of internally consistent logic to it. However, I have to admit that I am still a bit puzzled by the rationale. No matter - it no doubt "seemed like a good idea at the time" to someone ... Thanks for the reply. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 12:28, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

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Hugh Trenchard
Hi! Thanks for your words, and dont' worry for don't write in Catalan (I understand it; there are a lot of people borned in Barcelona and they didn't speak a single word in Catalan).

As soon as I found how to link it, I'll translate the article about the 1st Viscount Trenchard.

Kind regards,

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Commandants ROC
I have just added Gordon Herbert Vasse if you want to go and have a quick look 21stCenturyGreenstuff (talk) 17:18, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I am doing OK with the older Commandants and can find plenty of stuff for the articles...up to about 1976. I cannot find anything on the following more recent encumbants and wonder if you might have any other sources that will help with building their RAF career details?:


 * Air Commodore M H Miller 1976


 * Air Commodore John F. G. Howe 1977 (later Air Vice Marshal) - the first Commandant I served under as a wholetime officer


 * Air Commodore Raymond J Offord 1980


 * Air Commodore George P Black 1983 (later Air Vice Marshal)


 * Air Commodore Jack(John?) Broughton 1984


 * Air Commodore Ian Horrocks 1986


 * Air Commodore George M Boddy 1989


 * Group Captain Clifford Spink 1992 (later Air Marshal)

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 * I have added another reference to the Spink article. As for the others, I cannot readily find any good references.  Are they are all still alive?  Deceased air officers often have obituaries published. Also, the author of www.rafweb.com (Malcolm Barrass) may well create an article for any deceased air officer from the air force lists and his wider reference materials.  Additionally, I think that he will do this for any living air officers if they request this personally - do you know any of the above socially? Greenshed (talk) 20:33, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, I have just had an email from my old boss, Senior Administration Officer at HQROC....now I actually left the Corps a little bit before final stand down so was not aware of the final days....The S Ad O says:
 * ''"Regretably that is not quite accurate, in the first place, Group Captain Cliff Spink was only Commandant ROC until March 1993, from March 1993 to June 1995, he had moved across the road as an Air Vice Marshall to the job of SASO, Senior Air Staff Officer 11 Group, RAF Bentley Priory. He had handed over the appointment of Commandant ROC to Air Commodore Martin Widdowson, who held the appointment jointly while also SASO 18 Group. By the time the Corps was actually stood down, Cliff Spink had been appointed Air Marshall with a very high level Saudi Arabian responsibility, not sure what the title actually was." 21stCenturyGreenstuff (talk) 21:41, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

I have done more research and corrected the Spink entry (also the appropriate paragraphs in the ROC and Bentley Priory entries. I have also added John F. G. Howe which is a cop out really as it was quite easy to research. 21stCenturyGreenstuff (talk) 15:41, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

I have just about finished expanding the Richard Jordan (RAF officer) stub. Can you weave your magic by completing the appointments box at the bottom? I am in awe of how you find out who the various command predecessors and following incumbants were. 21stCenturyGreenstuff (talk) 23:56, 1 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Don't be in awe - be in awe of Mr Barrass and his extensive website which is my first port of call for predecessors and successors. After that it's down to the air force lists, notices in The Times, the London Gazette, sqn web sites and my library of air force books. Greenshed (talk) 21:28, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

I have added John Herbert Thomas Simpson and have now hit a brick wall as the Truro ROCA site has a page missing in the history section, so I don't know who comes next 21stCenturyGreenstuff (talk) 13:49, 2 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Warfield comes next. See http://www.rafweb.org/Grp09.htm for more details. Greenshed (talk) 21:23, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

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Air Commodore Sismore
Excellent work there, with no rafweb page I couldn't find much on him. I will wait until you finish adding stuff and reorg the page to match the others. Air Cdre George Boddy is going to be a headache....he wasn't a flying type 21stCenturyGreenstuff (talk) 19:08, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Feel free to bash on. I was wondering about integrating much of the Honours and Awards stuff into an expended WW2 section.  There is more we could say about Operation Carthage and Sismore's role (see http://www.raf.mod.uk/history_old/shell.html) for additional gen.  Keep up the good work. Greenshed (talk) 19:13, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Just to say thanks to Greenshed for tidying up after me when I did the honours and awards from the London Gazette. It is a lot better article now for all our efforts. MilborneOne (talk) 19:22, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I have now just about completed Air Cdre Wight-Boycott.....so 16 down, just 7 to go...bed now ZZZZZ 21stCenturyGreenstuff (talk) 23:27, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Andrew Wilson
Bit confusing but I did find London Gazette 54167 on 25 September 1995, Air Chief Marshal R.A.F.Wilson KCB, AFC, ADC, FRAes premature retirement 26 August 1995. Which would indicate they are the same. Appears to have changed from RAF to Andrew when he became an Air Marshal but so far not found any promotion notices or honours and awards ! Still an element of doubt. I will carry on digging. MilborneOne (talk) 20:28, 12 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Update London Gazette 52563 Supplement15 June 1991 award of KCB to Air Marshal Ronald Andrew Fellowes Wilson CB AFC RAF. Looks like you may well be right. MilborneOne (talk) 20:38, 12 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry another update if it helps his service number is 608139. MilborneOne (talk) 20:40, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

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Air Chief Marshal
I don't like to be pedantic, (actually, that's a lie, I do, but I can rarely justify it), but there is already a footnote saying that. I'm happy for it to appear in the article, but I think you should remove the footnote. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 10:35, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Good spot. Done. Greenshed (talk) 10:38, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

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Eduard Ritter von Schleich
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Copyright Query
Dear Greenshed,

I am emailing from a documentary company in England called Parthenon Entertainment and we would love to use the following image within our documentary series entitled Mystery Files.

George V in the uniform of a Marshal of the RAF.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:George_V_in_the_uniform_of_a_Marshal_of_the_RAF.jpg

We were wondering if you own the copyright to this image as we would like to use it within our documentary for the rights for worlwide, all media and for perpetuity.

If you can email me at: emily.rudge@parthenonentertainment.com or call me on 01923 286 886 that would be great!

Many thanks,

Emily. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.44.13.2 (talk) 17:34, 10 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Emily. The short answer is that I do not own the copyright on the aforementioned picture but that you should be able to use it. Please see Reusing content outside Wikimedia for more information. Greenshed (talk) 19:49, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

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The December 2009 issue of the Military history WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. This has been an automated delivery by BrownBot (talk) 03:18, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Unreferenced BLPs
Hello Greenshed! Thank you for your contributions. I am a bot alerting you that 1 of the articles that you created  is tagged as an Unreferenced Biography of a Living Person. The biographies of living persons policy requires that all personal or potentially controversial information be sourced. In addition, to ensure verifiability, all biographies should be based on reliable sources. if you were to bring this article up to standards, it would greatly help us with the current Category:All_unreferenced_BLPs article backlog. Once the article is adequately referenced, please remove the unreferencedBLP tag. Here is the article:

Thanks!--DASHBot (talk) 23:43, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) Al Lockwood -