User talk:GregJackP/CoAoW

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Minor4th • talk 02:55, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Since this article is being discussed at AN/I, I contest any attempt to speedily delete this, on the grounds listed at the AN/I. GregJackP   Boomer!  03:44, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

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Just a reminder to people editing this page. WP:BLP doesn't say we can't say anything negative about someone. It says we have to provide quality sources for the content being stated. As an example this revert is entirely inappropriate:. The section is well sourced to a national newspaper and doesn't say anything that isn't said in the article itself.--Crossmr (talk) 08:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It's defamatory because it is clearly wrong. The article doesn't make the claims that Solomon made. Why would you want to keep something in the article you must know is inaccurate? Dougweller (talk) 08:56, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It really doesn't matter if they were wrong. Attribute the claim to Solomon. The fact is a reliable and national source has made the claim in line with the subject of the article. Whether the criticism is warranted is immaterial. If there are other reliable sources that counter this point of view they should be provided as well.--Crossmr (talk) 09:05, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Nope. This is an encyclopedia. Readers reading an encyclopedia expect to find true statements of fact. An apparent statement of fact, even if hedged by "according to...", will be understood by most readers as an actual claim, in the absence of explicit refutation. Thus, if it is demonstrably untrue (as the claims about WMC are), it would still constitute libel. Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:13, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:NPOV especially WP:UNDUE comes into this, as does WP:OR. Assertions backed by a single source are very flaky, we aren't just here to take what an individual states as fact. Given that lots has written about wikipedia, only a subset critical and then only one about a particular incident tells you the weight that should be given, very little. --82.7.40.7 (talk) 10:57, 27 June 2010 (UTC)