User talk:Greg D. Barnes/Archive 1

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Re: post on my talk page
No problem. I have no idea why he was attacking you so relentlessly. I doesn't make sense. J.delanoy gabs adds 01:38, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I gave him a level four warning. If he vandalizes again, I'll get someone to block him. Or, if you want, I could get someone to semi-protect your talk page for a few hours. J.delanoy gabs adds  01:42, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not an admin, so I can't protect your talk page. If you get vandalized again, I will file a request to WP:RFPP on your behalf if you want. I just requested that my talk page be semi-ed for 24 hours. J.delanoy gabs adds  01:48, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I just saw your post on my talk page. Any user may request protection of any page in their userspace, and it will usually be granted with no questions asked. However, talk pages are not normally protected for long periods of time, so requests for permanent protection will most likely be met with a protection for a period of time. Just FYI. J.delanoy gabs adds  02:27, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

No Problem!
The user's using a dynamic connection and scandalizing a lot of other users' talk pages too. Yamakiri TC     [ §]    07-2-2008 • 01:43:12

Protected
Greg, I have semi-protected this page for a while to stop the IP attacks. Kevin (talk) 02:05, 2 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry about that I should have remembered to protect your page. I found your talk page because the IP had already vandalised it. I deleted it but forgot to protect it. Have fun. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 07:48, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Semi-Protection
Please!?!?

I just got hit by the "Vandal IP Troll."--Greg D. Barnes (talk) 02:14, 5 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Semi-prot'd for 1 week. Hope this helps. Scarian  Call me Pat!  23:53, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Sockpuppet
Don't need my permission :)! -Rushyo (talk) 00:11, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Twinkle
importScript('User:AzaToth/twinkle.js');--Greg D. Barnes (talk) 21:36, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Award
 Enigma  message 04:26, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Ennis Del Mar and Jack Twist
If you read their articles, as well as the talk pages for their articles, it is clear why they are not in Category:Fictional bisexuals -- their sexual orientations were never confirmed, and there is debate among moviegoers and critics, even different takes from the actors themselves, about the sexual orientations of these two characters. This is why they are simply listed in Category:Fictional LGBT characters instead. Flyer22 (talk) 23:57, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

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Images
You have to either take the picture yourself or get it from a place that specifically says the image is released under one of the licences that is used at Wikipedia. Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 22:01, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * There are pictures at Freddie Mercury, commons:Category:Freddie Mercury and commons:Category:Queen. Take a look through Talk:Freddie Mercury, this issue has been discussed several times. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 22:16, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Original research not allowed
Please do not return unsourced analysis to The Game (Queen album). Material in articles must come from reliable sources, not the opinions of Wikipedia editors. -- The Red Pen of Doom  04:29, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism under your name
This is to let you know that an IP address is attempting to | connect your account to | vandalistic edits. -- The Red Pen of Doom  11:59, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Meadows of Sound
Hi, thanks for your message. Well, thing is, Wikipedia is the only place on the Internet where Meadows of Sound is mentioned, plus the information has been added on all three pages by the same IP (141.209.XXX.XXX), and it's not on the Roger Taylor discography page, making the whole thing suspicious and most likely a hoax. Anyway Amazon doesn't sell it, which pretty much settles the matter for me. Yet somehow this title sounds familiar. If you can find a source that demonstrates that this album exists, please feel free to prove me wrong.

By the way, I'm no dude :D Have a nice day, Rosenknospe (talk) 14:01, 8 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I've reverted it. It appears that this user is adding hoaxes on other pages as well. Thanks for bringing it up. Rosenknospe (talk) 19:53, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

The IP impersonating you is back
FYI, the anonymous IP that is attempting to impersonate you has struck again from a different IP this time:  (last time it was from this IP:141.209.133.251) -- The Red Pen of Doom  02:49, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

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Semi-Protect
Do you want me to request your talk page to be protected?--Greg D. Barnes (talk) 04:42, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for asking. At this time it just goes to show how childish the IP is and is not causing me any issues. Should the problem increase to less tolerable levels, I will keep the option in mind. -- The Red Pen of Doom  17:20, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Imposter back again
The IP editor is attempting to impersonate you again. 

Rush article
Greg, just a comment on the rush article. The cite that you were using to source the section unfortunately won't work. See. This is a fansite. Fansites are not reliable per wikipedia policy WP:V and WP:RS they're self-published. While there may have been communication issues, he was right to remove the section that you added as it still is original research. If the fansite can source their knowledge, source that directly and you should be good.--Crossmr (talk) 07:16, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Blocked Banned
Blocked: 1 week for disruptive editing proven by checkuser. You created the vandal accounts, and ; you have edit warred while logged out from multiple IP addresses, and harassed user:TheRedPenOfDoom from those IP addresses. Thatcher 16:38, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Interesting scam . You should probably try to think of some reason why I shouldn't make the block into an indefinite ban. Thatcher 16:47, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Because I didn't do FREAKIN' anything!!!! What is wrong with you?!?--Greg D. Barnes (talk) 16:49, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I can post the exact checkuser findings if you like. The IP imposter edits from every computer you use, sometimes editing in between your edits.  So either he follows you around, and sometimes sneaks onto your computer during a two-minute bathroom break, or he is you. Thatcher 16:55, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Well I'm a college student at Central Michigan University. We have literally hundreds of computers all over the campus (Maybe a thousand)

A large majority of the computers are wireless so maybe some of them have similar/identical IP addresses?

But please, post the "exact checkuser findings." I am begging to look at these. I'm serious.--Greg D. Barnes (talk) 17:00, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Sure, here is one example.
 * 23 September 2008


 * (diff) (hist) . . User talk:141.209.214.34 . . 02:43 . . Greg D. Barnes (Talk | contribs | block)        IP: 141.209.214.34
 * (diff) (hist) . . Talk:The Game (Queen album) . . 01:32 . . 141.209.214.34 (Talk | block) (Request edit through protection)        IP: 141.209.214.34
 * (diff) (hist) . . Talk:The Game (Queen album) . . 01:32 . . 141.209.214.34 (Talk | block) (Request edit through protection)        IP: 141.209.214.34
 * (diff) (hist) . . Wikipedia:Requests for page protection . . 01:21 . . Greg D. Barnes (Talk | contribs | block) (Requesting semi-protection of User talk:TheRedPenOfDoom. (TW))        IP: 141.209.214.34
 * (diff) (hist) . . Wikipedia:Requests for page protection . . 01:12 . . Greg D. Barnes (Talk | contribs | block) (Requesting semi-protection of The Game_(Queen_album). (TW))        IP: 141.209.214.34
 * (diff) (hist) . . User talk:TheRedPenOfDoom . . 01:08 . . Greg D. Barnes (Talk | contribs | block) (Can I semi-protect your page.: new section)        IP: 141.209.214.34
 * (diff) (hist) . . Talk:The Game (Queen album) . . 01:07 . . 141.209.214.34 (Talk | block) (You can swear at me all you want)        IP: 141.209.214.34
 * (diff) (hist) . . Talk:The Game (Queen album) . . 01:06 . . 141.209.214.34 (Talk | block) (You can swear at me all you want)        IP: 141.209.214.34
 * (diff) (hist) . . The Game (Queen album) . . 01:06 . . 141.209.214.34 (Talk | block) (Sorry, but everyone thinks you abuse your power--the sources are in other Queen song pages. So quit deleting people's work, or you'll get reported.)        IP: 141.209.214.34
 * (diff) (hist) . . User talk:TheRedPenOfDoom . . 01:02 . . 141.209.214.34 (Talk | block) (WTF)        IP: 141.209.214.34
 * (diff) (hist) . . User talk:TheRedPenOfDoom . . 01:01 . . 141.209.214.34 (Talk | block) (WTF)        IP: 141.209.214.34
 * (diff) (hist) . . User talk:TheRedPenOfDoom . . 01:01 . . 141.209.214.34 (Talk | block) (WTF: new section)        IP: 141.209.214.34
 * (diff) (hist) . . The Game (Queen album) . . 00:53 . . 141.209.214.34 (Talk | block) (Stop reverting other's edits, you are getting complaints from everybody--COMMON SENSE BITCH!!!)

In this series of edits you are edit-warring on The Game (Queen album), posting to User talk:TheRedPenOfDoom as an IP, then signing your name, except that you managed to convince RedPen that the IP editor is not actually you but an imposter, hence his warning to you and your request to semi-protect his talk page.

Here is another example:
 * 19 September 2008
 * (diff) (hist) . . Carlos Mencia . . 05:17 . . Greg D. Barnes (Talk | contribs | block) IP: 141.209.214.194
 * (diff) (hist) . . Dane Cook . . 05:15 . . Greg D. Barnes (Talk | contribs | block) (External links) IP: 141.209.214.194
 * (diff) (hist) . . User talk:TheRedPenOfDoom . . 04:42 . . Greg D. Barnes (Talk | contribs | block) (Semi-Protect: new section) IP: 141.209.214.194
 * (diff) (hist) . . User talk:TheRedPenOfDoom . . 03:47 . . 141.209.214.194 (Talk | block) (HAGGER) IP: 141.209.214.194
 * (diff) (hist) . . User talk:TheRedPenOfDoom . . 03:47 . . 141.209.214.194 (Talk | block) (HAGGER: new section) IP: 141.209.214.194

Note that this summary omits certain additional technical information available to me. The anon editor is you, unless the anon editor took a bathroom break between 1:08 and 1:30 and you just coincidentally logged in to the same computer one minute later. Or perhaps you have a stalker. But the timing does not support that theory. Other edits such a Grawp copycatting has a similar pattern. And there is no evidence that the IPs are shared by more than onbe computer at a time, which I do see (especially at UK Universities) and is easily recognized by a number of technical means (which I have omitted here). And, since [ this is you, too (admin-only diffs), consider your block upgraded to an indefinite ban. [[User talk:Thatcher|Thatcher]] 20:03, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

First of all, fuck you. Second of all, how many times do I have to say: I DIDN'T FUCKING DO ANYTHING! Lastly, a large amount of the computers at CMU share the same/similar addresses.--Greg D. Barnes (talk) 22:23, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Grawp
Since I'm being falsely accused of everything, I'm leaving this site.

I just joined Grawp's website Encyclopedia Dramatica.--Greg D. Barnes (talk) 05:55, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Dear, you're acting like a drama queen. Didn't you SEE that checkuser proved you guilty of:

Don't be such a drama queen. Remember, stay cool in situations like now, OK? RoryReloaded (talk) 20:46, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Edit warring
 * Cyberharassment (also a criminal offense, if you didn't know)
 * Sockpuppetering
 * Last but worst, vandalism from yourself and socks.

All right, I give up. Have a nice day!--Greg D. Barnes (talk) 21:54, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * You realise! RoryReloaded is an I.Q guy (talk) 10:43, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Unblocked
Apology accepted, let's give the second chances thing a try. Thatcher 11:45, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

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WP:V
Hello, Please don't return unsourced material to articles as you did here and here, without actually providing sources. If you have more questions, please read our policy on WP:verifiability and our guidelines on reliable sources and how to cite them. -- The Red Pen of Doom  13:44, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Decline offer of protection
Thanks for offering, but the children can spew all they want and get the IP's blocked. -- The Red Pen of Doom  20:24, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Sock puppet accusation and theredpen
You have some nerve- who the hell do you think you are accusing me of sock pupeting. I have NO relation to any other accounts and would suggest that you get a life and stop accusing innocent people of things they did not do. Yes- I did insult theredpenofdoom because he is a sad pathetic loser whose 'wikipresense' is likley more important to him than his real life (of which i suspect he has none), and in all likleyhood we will cross swords again. Still, its amusing that so many people hate the guy that it looks like sockpuppetry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.219.153.207 (talk) 13:13, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

PS- You dont look so clean yourself, and im damned if im going to listen to a hypocrite like you with a large bit of his talk page covered in evidence that he is a vandal- still like you more than redpen though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.219.153.207 (talk) 13:28, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Blue Mountains panther
Hello, I think we have had this discussion before about a number of other articles: please do not put unsourced material into an article as you did here. Our policy of verifiability means that statements within an article must be supported by a citation to a reliable source. I encourage you to revert your edit now. Or provide proper sourcing for the material you have returned to the article. -- The Red Pen of Doom  04:39, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Dee Palmer
Thank you for correcting the gender-pronoun error in Dee Palmer's article which I overlooked. Together we can help more people learn the correct pronouns for referring to transgender and transsexual people. Andrea Parton (talk) 02:45, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes we can!--Greg D. Barnes (talk) 16:20, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

My talk page
In reply to what you said on my talk page, it's been stated here before but I'll state it again. Our policy of verifiability means that statements within an article must be supported by a citation to a reliable source. That's all I have to say, check those policies over sometime. Alastairward (talk) 21:26, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * At no point in the plot of The Jeffersons (South Park episode) does a character state that Mr Jefferson is Michael Jackson. Speculate all you want, just keep the plot as the plot. Alastairward (talk) 21:42, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Then let's end the conversation on this point. I have the plot synopsis and wiki-policies on one hand, you have what exactly? Thought so, good night. Alastairward (talk) 21:47, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Vocal type
Hi, I had been directed to the David Archuleta article, which listed his vocal type in a specific section. I have removed the section, since a later edit added the vocal type to the infobox. This would be better suited to putting in the infobox, rather than its own section, since having a section dedicated to his vocal type places undue weight on it. Hopefully this makes sense, if not, drop me a note on my talkpage.-- Terrillja talk  03:20, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

South Park merges
Can you provide me with Diffs that shows specifically which merge suggestions and which examples of WP:OWN you're referring to? Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 18:23, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * No, I am not trying to ruin any articles, and I have no idea what activity on my part you think indicates otherwise. But you're not being particularly civil in asking this question, not only in that it's rather rude, but in that you don't outline which policies you feel are being met by your position, or violated by my own. I've made it clear here that I'm personally against the merges, and I suggest that you continue the discussion there, albeit more constructively, with less rhetoric. Nightscream (talk) 22:16, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * It's ok, I think the "wrath" was aimed at me. Alastairward (talk) 22:26, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Understood. But my point about civility still applies. Discuss your positions, and how they are proper interpretations of policy. Comments like "Are you TRYING to wreck the South Park wikipedia?" violate the Civility policy, and do not help us come to a consensus or improve articles. Nightscream (talk) 22:31, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

I KNOW my comments are a bit rude, but it's like the south park articles are getting chopped down like a tree! First the references, then the plot, then MERGING!--Greg D. Barnes (talk) 22:33, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

It doesn't matter. Seeing articles getting chopped down like a tree does not make violating WP:Civility permissable. And let's discuss this on the South Park Project page, since the conversation on this topic is currently happening right now there. We're not going to ask everyone there to come over here. Nightscream (talk) 22:38, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

All right I'll meet you there.--Greg D. Barnes (talk) 22:39, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

That thread is preserved as an archive, how convenient :) (Never mind, found it) In the meanwhile, I'm sure we'd all love to see the step-by-step analysis of the notability test taken by our dear pal, Alastairward, who surely enough remembers WP:BURDEN... NotAnotherAliGFan (talk) 09:31, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

South Park cites
I tried southparkstudios.com for South Park cites myself. Its the official site for the series and has a FAQ section for references, production notes etc.

If you're looking into notability though, google news search (as Redpen suggested) might be a better bet, it's more likely to show out of universe news and notability than the South Park website itself. Alastairward (talk) 15:10, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

The Game (Queen album)
Please note that reliable sources are third party publishers with a reputation for accuracy and fact checking. An "official" site is not a third party publisher. Please do not continue to return the "official" site as a "source" for superlative commentary about the subject. -- The Red Pen of Doom  11:41, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Check books.google.com and news.google.com to find 3rd party reliable sources to support claims/analysis etc. -- The Red Pen of Doom  12:09, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

June 2009
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. Aussie Ausborn (talk) 01:09, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Attempts have been made to discuss the issue with the other user who has been involved in the edit war, but they refuse to post anything on the discussion page, and merely revert the edits every time. If there's anyone who should be penalized in this situation, it's the user. IP is 78.30.173.53. Take a closer look at the situation and see who is really at fault.
 * --Rock Soldier (talk) 10:22, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Two points

 * Queen genre discussions can be found at the band's WikiProject page.
 * You have broken Wikipedia's WP:3RR policy on the Freddie Mercury article and will now be blocked from editing. Aussie Ausborn (talk) 02:55, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

June 2009
in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for. You are welcome to make useful contributions after the block expires. If you believe this block is unjustified you may contest this block by adding the text below. Per this complaint at WP:AN3. Due to your previous indef block, you are on thin ice, so please be extra careful to observe our rules about edit warring. This block could have been longer. EdJohnston (talk) 17:21, 22 June 2009 (UTC)


 * The other users who were reverting such edits (mainly IP user 78.30.173.53) refused to ever make a contribution to the discussion page, and thereby put us in a situation where we could only ask them in our edit summaries to please discuss the topic first before reverting the edits. Unfortunately, they were to stubborn to ever do so, and thus put us in the middle of an edit war. If you want to penalize someone for what happened, it should be the users who refused to discuss the topic, not those who were merely trying to keep the facts intact.
 * --Rock Soldier (talk) 10:26, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

youtube rarely if ever reliable source
Reliable sources are those with a reputation for fact checking and accuracy which would rarely be applicable to videos posted on youtube. If, say for some reason a university has an official youtube channel and has a lecture by a professor of modern music says "Freddie Mercury's range was X" would likely pass muster. A post of Freddie singing at a concert and then claiming that as a source that his range was X would not be acceptable.-- The Red Pen of Doom  23:39, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Nope. There is no indication that "RangeVocal" has any type of reputation for accuracy and fact checking. And wikipedia editors identifying Freddies range from clips is original research. Surely in some reliably published work on Queen someone identifies Mercury's range that can be cited rather than relying on wiki editors. -- The Red Pen of Doom  01:00, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't see how it can be criticized that the reference for his vocal range is currently a youtube link, when prior to that it merely said "F2 (Don't Try Suicide)-E6 (It's Late)". Now I understand that there may be some issues with youtube, but I don't understand how it can become a target of criticism when it's replacing the aformentioned "references". Surely it's more reliable than that! The page went on for months with that listed as a reference, and there never seemed to be an issue with it. And yet somehow when a more reliable source is added, it becomes a problem? I don't understand.
 * --Rock Soldier (talk) 10:36, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Geddy Lee
In a discussion on youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du_7LNC38xM), though I admit I'm actually not still 100% sure about the extent of his low range. His highest is definitely the B♭5 at the end of "Cygnus X-1", but his low range is more debatable. He definitely has A2, as shown in "The Trees" live on Rush in Rio, but I'm not sure about his notes lower than that. Jowox claims that the intro of the studio version of "The Trees" goes down to G♯2, but I only hear A2 in that version as well. However, there's also a spoken part in "Double Agent" that I think sounds very much like Geddy and goes down to F2, but there's no confirmation that it's him, so others are not counting it just yet.

--Rock Soldier (talk) 00:41, 9 August 2009 (UTC)


 * On second thought, I guess it could be G♯2 on the studio version of "The Trees", so he's definitely got G♯2-B♭5, but I suspect that the spoken part in "Double Agent" actually is him.
 * --Rock Soldier (talk) 00:46, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

He's a leggerio tenor!--Greg D. Barnes (talk) 20:44, 9 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Indeed, up there with singers like Robert Plant, Jim Gillette, Mark Slaughter, and so on. I wouldn't have thought him capable of a B♭5, though, that must've really taken some effort and strain from him. I wonder how he did it live...maybe falsetto?
 * --Rock Soldier (talk) 02:01, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

He used falsetto on that note.--Greg D. Barnes (talk) 02:18, 11 August 2009 (UTC)


 * You mean in live versions?
 * --Rock Soldier (talk) 02:15, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

I meant the Bb5 in general.--Greg D. Barnes (talk) 03:03, 16 August 2009 (UTC)


 * No, I'd say it's full voice, but you can hear that it's his ABSOLUTE highest. I think it's a little flat though.
 * --Rock Soldier (talk) 21:41, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

All right, I'll go look.--Greg D. Barnes (talk) 03:26, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Your recent edits
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Def Lep
Unfortunately, pop metal links directly to the hair metal page. I myself have spoken on the hair metal page that pop metal and hair metal are not the same thing awhile back and I actually used Lep as the example of the difference between the two, sadly the argument went no where. I agree that Def Leppard are a pop metal band, but since we don't have a separate page for pop metal we can't put it on their page. Rockgenre (talk) 22:16, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * You might want to try again now that libs has been caught for sockpuppeting. Luminifer (talk) 02:16, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I wasn't clear. If you look at the discussion Rockgenre had re: pop metal/glam metal/hair metal, there really was only one person who disagreed. So it may be time to open THAT discussion again (either you or Rockgenre). Luminifer (talk) 03:46, 21 October 2009 (UTC)