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Wikidata project Sailing
Hi. As you are very active on WP:SAIL, I wanted to draw your attention to Wikidata project Sailing. simon (talk) 02:05, 28 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the information. What is the main difference between the Wikipedia: Wikipedia:WikiProject Sailing; and the Wikidata: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Sailing? I thought Wikidata was for structured data, which links multiple sites like Wikipeida, Wikicommons, FamilySearch, etc. the Wikidata project looks more like a Wikipeida project.--Greg Henderson (talk) 16:17, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Greg. You are right that Wikidata is for structured data. In addition to storing structured data, it also allows to define data models and the related entity schemas (boat_manufacturing_company, sailboat_class, sailboat). Wikidata also allows to mass import data from structured databases (for instance, I'm working on importing data for the 16k US Coast Guard Manufacturers Identification database). There are several other databases that we could import with sailboat class details on LOA, LWL, Displacement, ... And as Wikidata provides many tools to help do that data import, reconciliation and cleanup; I think we could create a decent quality sailing knowledge graph that we could use to generate the skeleton of many sailing related infoboxes. This would help create Wikipedia sailing articles. Regarding your question on the difference between the Wikipedia project vs Wikidata project, I personally don't see much difference as both have the same objective of improving the knowledge around sailing. Because of the way the 2 sites are technically setup and the way the community seems to be organized, leads to have 2 separate projects; but if Adam and you agree, we could try to transclude the wikidata pages into the Wikipedia project. Best, simon (talk) 02:31, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Shipbuilder articles
Hi there Greg, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.

I've noticed that you've been creating a number of articles on 19th century shipbuilders. That's fine, but in some cases you are duplicating work I have already done. For example, you created an article for Edward F. Williams. I have done a lot of research on Williams, and have long had an article in the works, as you can see here. Likewise, I see you just created an article on Ariel Patterson. Again, I have long had an article on Patterson in preparation, which you can read here.

The problem is that not only are you unnecessarily duplicating research that somebody else has already done, but it's also going to make it difficult for me to try and integrate my content with yours when I come to add my own.

Since you've shown some interest in the Williams family, perhaps I should inform you then that I also have a well-advanced article on Jabez Williams in the works - as I do for Perine, Patterson & Stack, for Thomas Stack and a number of others.

In short, I think it would be a good idea if you tried checking with me before starting any more of these articles, because it's an area I have a longstanding interest in and I may already have something in preparation. More broadly, it's usually a good idea before starting a new article to search on the topic on Wikipedia not just in mainspace, but all namespaces, by using the prefix "All:" or "all" in your searches (you can read more at the Help:Searching page). This will generally enable you to see whether or not somebody has already started an article on that topic, so that you can either avoid duplicating work already done by somebody else, or perhaps actively collaborate with them in getting an article completed. Thanks once again, Gatoclass (talk) 10:17, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your message. I appreciate you bringing this to my attention as I am mainly interested in Northeastern pilot boats, shipbuilders, and designers. Please see my list of pilot boats I have worked on or in in progress on: List of Northeastern U. S. Pilot Boats. In addition, the following template shows the list of shipbuilders and designers I've worked on or am tracking: Template:List of Northeastern U. S. Pilot Boats. I will certainly reach out to your on upcoming articles. I work fairly fast and have been rolling out an article in 2-3 days. As you can see from the list of pilot boats, I still have some left to you. Do you have any theme to your articles? Are they mainly about shipbuilders? Thanks again for you comments! --Greg Henderson (talk) 14:58, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks. That's a very impressive list of pilot boats you've made! Nice work tracking down all those images too.
 * My principal interest is in 19th century shipbuilding and marine engineering firms, and in merchant steamboats and steamships, but I also have an interest in clipper ships and other sailing vessels. When I first started contributing to Wikipedia, I too churned out articles quickly, but over time my output has increasingly slowed as I tend to work on articles and topics very thoroughly now before moving them into mainspace. Shipbuilding articles I find in particular, take a long time, because not only does one have to research the builder, but one also has to track down all or most of the ships they built in order to get a really good grasp of their achievements - and then often do thorough research on each individual ship in order to get the details correct and to be able to write in an informed way about them, even for a brief summary of their history. So, as I sometimes ruefully reflect, the amount of research that goes into one of my shipbuilder articles will often be 50 times greater than for an individual ship! That's why they tend to take so long. A case in point is a revamp of a ship list for a shipbuilder article I wrote some years ago that I've been working on recently - I thought it would take a few days but it's taken more than a month of steady work, and I'm still not quite finished! Real life has also increasingly impinged on my output in recent times, but I'm finally starting to get some of these articles that have long sat in my sandbox into mainspace, which I'm naturally very pleased about. Cheers, Gatoclass (talk) 01:32, 5 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Looking at your user page. You have done some incredible work! It is great you are doing an article on Perrine, Patterson & Stack and  Jabez Williams. Thanks!--Greg Henderson (talk) 18:00, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks - there's a lot of research that went into those, particularly the PPS article!
 * BTW, with regard to your own work, I'm intrigued by the fact that you have been able to extract some large images from the Mariners' Museum website, like this one for the ship Wide Awake. Do you have some kind of tool or technique for doing this? Because in spite of my best efforts, I have been unable to do the same - when I look at that particular page on the website, it only shows me a much smaller image, even when expanding it to fit the full screen, using the magnify tool and selecting "view image" from tooltips. It's very frustrating knowing that there are higher quality images there and not being able to download them. Any tips? Thanks, Gatoclass (talk) 01:32, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your feedback and answers. Your have done some great work. Your tables with the list of boats are great! Regarding the images on Mariners' Museum, next to the magnify tool, use the "Toggle Full Page" icon to enlarge the image to maximum size. Once in maximum size, you can either download the page or capture the image. On a Mac, I use Command-Shift-4 together to capture the image; on a PC, you can press Alt + PrtScn on the upper-right side of your keyboard. Windows will copy a screenshot of your entire screen to the clipboard, and you can paste it into any program. As for future, articles, my plan is to continue to create articles that have not been covered on my List of Northeastern U. S. Pilot Boats page, e.g. the pilot boat Fleur de Lis. In addition I would like to expand the Sandy Hook pilot Theophilus Beebe. After that, move on to something else. I enjoy history and biographies, so may work on something related to the Civil War. I am also writing an auto-biography of my 67 years of life and started a book about "Life & Death," after witnessing my father's recent death and my mother's declining years. Good luck with getting the Perrine, Patterson & Stack article out soon! --Greg Henderson (talk) 15:04, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you Greg, and thanks for the info about your downloading technique - it's basically the same as mine, so I guess you just have a higher screen resolution than me :)
 * Sorry to hear about your loss. I went through much the same thing, having lost both my parents in recent years, as well as being my mother's carer for the last couple of years. I didn't experience a great deal of emotion at the time, even though I was close to both of them in different ways, but it's certainly something that has impacted my life since in all kinds of unexpected ways. Oddly enough, these events also made me contemplate writing an autobiography, but I have my doubts I will ever get around to it.
 * Feel free to let me know if and when you get around to completing your book about your parents, I'd be interested in taking a look at it. And once again, my condolences. Gatoclass (talk) 13:20, 12 April 2021 (UTC)


 * I want to let you know I am working on an article about shipbuilder William H. Brown. I noticed you have some notes on him. My sandbox article is about 70% complete and should ready to publish in the next day or so. Let me know if you would like to collaborate on this article? Thanks! --Greg Henderson (talk) 21:05, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note. I am busy in real life right now and have little time for Wikipedia, so won't be able to collaborate on that article. I will very likely be adding content to it in future though, as I've done quite a bit of research on Brown, though a lot of my notes are offline as is the case for a number of other shipbuilders I have taken an interest in. Gatoclass (talk) 16:02, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

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Byington Ford is seated at an animation camera stand, circa 1916

 * Animated Film Corporation studio, circa 1916 From left: Angel Espoy, Tack Knight, Pinto Colvig (standing), Byington Ford Byington Ford is seated at an animation camera stand, and the paper scraps on the floor are paper cut-out trimmings from the pre-celluloid, paper animation process
 * Saw your book on issuu. I wanted to improve wikipedia's coverage of Animated Film Corporation. Do you know where public information about that Corporation resides ? .... 0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 09:50, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The only public information I have is from newspaper clippings. The company was short lived as World War I caused members of the company to fight the war. When they came back, they went their separate ways. If you more information, please let me know. Thanks for your interest. --Greg Henderson (talk) 15:01, 1 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Does Angel Espoy seem notable? .... 0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 02:04, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, he was a marine and landscape artist that was recognized in many primary and seconday sources. You have inspired me to do some research on him!--Greg Henderson (talk) 16:48, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok, I wrote an article on Angel Espoy. The only thing I need is a picture of the artist. I found one here: picture of Angel Espoy, but not sure of the copyright, so have not included it. --Greg Henderson (talk) 18:48, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

Introduction
, Hi there, I hope all is well! I just wanted to formally introduce myself; we've interacted a few times and after having read your user page, I feel that we probably will interact many more times as it seems we are both interested in articles on Californian history, places, and architecture. It also seems we're from the same greater region (I'm from Morgan Hill, a bit more north and over the Santa Cruz Mountains from Carmel). I'd like to both thank you for your wonderful contributions, both in the form of articles written and images added, and to also to extend a friendly hand. I'm always happy to meet other Californians improving Californian articles. If you ever need a helping hand with an article, you've got one right here (and I will be sure to keep you in mind when working on articles in the greater Monterey Bay Area). All the best, Cristiano Tomás (talk) 23:56, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * , Thanks for your comments. Yes, I am interested in Californian history. I acutally live in Campbell, which is close to San Jose and not far from Morgan Hill. We have a family house in Carmel, which I share with my siblings and use it about four times a year. I was born in Carmel and went to school in Pebble Beach. My Mom's family is from Carmel, which got me interested in California history. I have going through the National Register of Historic Places listings in California and the List of California Historical Landmarks, to pick up ideas for articles. So far, I was able to write a few like the Mrs. Clinton Walker House and the Dutton Hotel, Stagecoach Station. So, if you see any on the list that has not been done, we could collaborate on them. Morgan Hill has "Rhoades Ranch" and "Malaguerra Winery" to name a few that have not been done. Again, thanks for your kind words. --Greg Henderson (talk) 00:25, 22 October 2021 (UTC)