User talk:Grey Shadow/Archive 02

Kananook, Victoria
Thanks for your edit to the above article. Youve placed an uncat box in the "Kananook Creek Section". Can you clarify that this is because the creek deserves its own article, or if your uncat tag was intended for the main body?

Encise 04:23, 16 November 2006 (UTC)Encise

Category:Lists of Ace Books
Hi. I've had an insight into the problem of bad links on the lists we've discussed on the Novels Project forum.

When I made my initial post, I really expected to be completely ignored, and to leave the thing in a mess. Your willingness to become involved changes everything.

It occurs to me that the task may not be quite as daunting as it at first appears. While there are many pages to deal with, the example of Dan Gordon leads me to believe that many of the authors we're dealing with might feature over several pages. This is a good thing.

Realising that there are many duplicates, I'm not so very reluctant to change the links. What I really can't be bothered with is figuring out how to change the links. Sure, I could just include (writer) in them all, but I don't think that's the correct approach in every case, and it could cause further problems in the long run. Changing Dan Gordon to Dan Gordon (writer), for example, is not much a solution given that two other Dan Gordons in Wikipedia are also writers.

You, on the other hand, have already identified my error in naming Lee Correy as a problem, and identified Samuel Peeples as Samuel A. Peeples, which is precisely the sort of detail I simply don't have time for. Good work. Of course, at the rate you're going, it will take you a couple of thousand years to change all the links.... ;)

Following your example, though, I have just changed all the links to Harry Whittington in the entire category, using AWB, while I have been writing this message. There were 44 of them.

I'm sure you see what I'm getting at. With you doing the detective work and me automating the bulk of the edits, we can make short work of this.

Shall we work together, then?

TheMadBaron 20:03, 24 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I've done John Callahan (48 links). I'm going to bed. I'll do Peeples tomorrow. You're sure Samuel A. is the right Peeples? TheMadBaron 21:01, 24 October 2006 (UTC)


 * It's a good job that I didn't change all the Peeples links while I was too tired to think straight.... having thought about it, rather than change those links, I've simply redirected Samuel Peeples to Samuel A. Peeples, which will serve quite adequately if the information is correct, without causing major problems if it's wrong. I suggest that we leave those links alone, at least until we have confirmation - and even then, it would be wrong to edit a page just to avoid the redirect, as this would pace an unnecessary burden on the servers.


 * I noticed that there are also links to Brad Ward, Peeples' pen name (but a link to a former politician in Ontario). Some of these links are on the same page as entries crediting "Samuel Peeples (as Brad Ward)". I will change them all to this format.


 * I agree that "author" is better than "writer" for our purposes.


 * When you're ready, please let me know what my next link replacement tasks are.


 * TheMadBaron 05:10, 25 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Update - I confirmed Peeples, expanded his page accordingly, and added a dablink to Brad Ward. I'm going to create a stub for Frank Gruber. TheMadBaron 07:27, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Update - I read your contributions again, and changed the following:
 * John Creighton to John Creighton
 * John Creighton to John Creighton
 * Edwin Booth to Edwin Booth
 * Frank Wynne to Brian Garfield (as Frank Wynne)
 * Frank Wynne to Brian Garfield (as Frank Wynne)
 * James White to James White
 * Ken Bulmer to Ken Bulmer
 * A.E. Van Vogt to A. E. van Vogt
 * Ben Smith to Ben Smith
 * Ben Smith to Ben Smith
 * Ken Lewis to Ken Lewis
 * Ken Lewis to Ken Lewis
 * E.C. Tubb to E. C. Tubb
 * John Hawkins to John Hawkins
 * John Hawkins to John Hawkins
 * Paul Evans to Paul Evans
 * Paul Evans to Paul Evans
 * William Vance to William E. Vance
 * William Vance to William Vance
 * Roy Manning to Roy Manning
 * Roy Manning to Roy Manning
 * Brian W. Aldiss to Brian W. Aldiss
 * Doug Warren to Doug Warren
 * Jack Bradley to Jack Bradley
 * Jack Bradley to Jack Bradley
 * Richard Wilson to Richard Wilson
 * Richard Wilson to Richard Wilson
 * Steve Ward to Steve Ward
 * Jack Sharkey to Jack Sharkey
 * Jack Sharkey to Jack Sharkey
 * Clifford Simak to Clifford Simak

This overwrites your changes to add "(writer)", replacing this with "(author)", except in the case of Frank Wynne, listed somewhere as a pen name of Brian Garfield.

I just saw your messages, and I'll do those in a moment.

TheMadBaron 14:46, 25 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I'll bid you goodnight, then. I'm working on Garfield. No, not the cat. Here's a really useful resource for pen names (change the letter in the URL to the surname initial of choice.) TheMadBaron 15:34, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

I expanded Garfields page, and put a dablink on the other Frank Wynne. I also changed: (sorry to be hogging your user page with this degree of trivia, but I like to keep thorough records!) He's got several other pen names too, the cad. I listed them on his page. TheMadBaron 18:00, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Brian Wynne Garfield (as Frank Wynne) to Brian Garfield (as Frank Wynne), or in a couple of instances
 * Brian Wynne Garfield to Brian Garfield (as Brian Wynne Garfield)
 * Brian Wynne to Brian Garfield (as Brian Wynne)
 * Samuel Peeples to Samuel Peeples
 * Samuel Peeples (as Brad Ward) to Samuel A. Peeples (as Brad Ward)
 * Tim Kelly to Tim Kelly
 * John Rackham to John Rackham
 * Mildred Davis to Mildred Davis
 * Eric Allen to Eric Allen

In progress, prolly done by the time you see this (a few server errors, though) TheMadBaron 19:40, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Ruth Wilson to Ruth Wilson
 * Ruth Wilson to Ruth Wilson
 * Alexander Wilson to Alexander Wilson
 * Dan Gordon to Dan Gordon
 * Dan Gordon to Dan Gordon
 * Harry Whittington to Harry Whittington
 * Rene Brabazon Raymond to Rene Brabazon Raymond, and what's more,
 * Rene Brabazon Raymond (as James Hadley Chase) to James Hadley Chase
 * Rene Brabazon Raymond (as James Hadley Chase) to James Hadley Chase - lol, what were you thinking?

Afternoon! Done Actually, this last one didn't occur. Note that Dean Owens is also listed, as are titles by Wayne D. Overholser and Lewis B. Patten (jointly as Dean Owen) and Dudley Dean Mcgaughty (as Dean Owen). I think I'm going to cry. TheMadBaron 10:11, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Alan Schwartz to Alan Schwartz
 * Dean R. Koontz to Dean R. Koontz
 * Laurence M. Janifer to Laurence M. Janifer
 * Brian M. Stableford to Brian M. Stableford
 * Sam Bowie to Sam Bowie
 * Barrington Bayley to Barrington Bayley
 * L.L. Foreman to L. L. Foreman
 * Clark Darlton to Clark Darlton
 * L.P. Holmes to L. P. Holmes
 * J.R.R. Tolkien to J. R. R. Tolkien
 * Dorothy Malone to Dorothy Malone
 * Rene Fonck to René Fonck
 * Owen Gun Country to Dean Owen Gun Country (WTF?)

I just saw your note. I'll add them to the next batch. "William A. P. White (as Anthony Boucher)" isn't right, though. That should be "William A. P. White (as Anthony Boucher)". I'll create a redirect at William A. P. White regardless. Thinking about it, to be consistent, I should have used "Rene Brabazon Raymond (as James Hadley Chase)" And I reviewed the above lists and noticed I didn't do Alexander Wilson properly. TheMadBaron 16:17, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm using this form, which I think is more elegant: (except where AWB changed "Samuel Anthony Peeples (as Brad Ward)" to "Samuel A. Peeples (as Samuel Anthony Peeples) (as Brad Ward)", which is kinda surreal, so I used "Samuel A. Peeples (as Brad Ward)" instead)
 * James Holbrook Vance (as Jack Vance)
 * Paul Linebarger (as Cordwainer Smith)
 * William A. P. White (as Anthony Boucher)
 * Rene Brabazon Raymond (as James Hadley Chase)
 * Samuel A. Peeples (as Samuel Anthony Peeples)

It's best to use simple links where possible, I think, but also preferable to name the author as written (presumably) by the publisher for any given book....so....
 * Peter Bryant Red Alert to Peter George (as Peter Bryant) Red Alert

Also changed (if they occured, and some probably didn't): and the rest of your changes as listed on my talk page, if they occurred again elsewhere (with apologies for using your talk page for my records):
 * Alexander Wilson to Alexander Wilson
 * R.A. Lafferty to R. A. Lafferty
 * Lawrence Goldman to Lawrence Goldman
 * Lawrence Goldman to Lawrence Goldman
 * Robert Turner to Robert Turner
 * Robert Turner to Robert Turner
 * Emile Zola to Émile Zola
 * John Callahan to John Callahan
 * John Callahan to John Callahan
 * J.M. Flynn to J. M. Flynn
 * S.B. Hough to S. B. Hough
 * Simenon to Simenon
 * H.G. Wells When The Sleeper Wakes to H. G. Wells When The Sleeper Wakes
 * James E. Gunn to James E. Gunn
 * Thea Von Harbou to Thea von Harbou
 * J.H. Rosny to J. H. Rosny
 * Pierre Benoit to Pierre Benoit
 * D.B. Olsen to D. B. Olsen
 * C.L. Moore to C. L. Moore
 * John W. Campbell Jr. to John W. Campbell Jr.
 * Ian Wright to Ian Wright


 * Edward E. Smith to Edward E. Smith
 * James Holbrook Vance (as Jack Vance) The Languages Of Pao to James Holbrook Vance (as Jack Vance) The Languages of Pao


 * P.G. Wodehouse Quick Service / The Code Of The Woosters to P. G. Wodehouse Quick Service / The Code of the Woosters
 * Emile Zola Shame / Therese Raquin to Émile Zola Shame / Thérèse Raquin

Also, Atlantida to Atlantida.

I shoulda checked before changing Harry Whittington to Harry Whittington, but rather than change them all back, I just moved the page. TheMadBaron 00:56, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

We broke another one! It's not my fault, officer, he made me do it.


 * Redirected J. H. Rosny to J.-H. Rosny.

TheMadBaron 07:24, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Ken Murray to Ken Murray

TheMadBaron 18:18, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Richard E. Byrd to Richard E. Byrd
 * Robert C. Ruark to Robert C. Ruark
 * George Stewart to George Stewart
 * Don Berry to Don Berry
 * C.D. MacDougall to C. D. MacDougall
 * Frank Edwards to Frank Edwards
 * Theodore Dubois to Theodora DuBois
 * Scott Sullivan to Scott Sullivan
 * Edwina Noone to Michael Avallone (as Edwina Noone)
 * Barbara O'Brien to Barbara O'Brien
 * April Lady Georgette Heyer to Georgette Heyer April Lady
 * William Burroughs Junkie to William Burroughs Junkie
 * BRant House to Brant House
 * Barbara Blackburn to Barbara Blackburn
 * Michael Harvey to Michael Harvey
 * Elizabeth Ford to Elizabeth Ford
 * Warren Smith to Warren Smith
 * Jacques Vallee to Jacques Vallée
 * Robert L. Scott to Robert L. Scott
 * Brinsley Le Poer Trench to Brinsley Le Poer Trench
 * D.G. Compton to D. G. Compton

All done. TheMadBaron 04:21, 28 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Afternoon!
 * I've been slowly working my way down List of Ace Miscellaneous Letter-Series Single Titles and came across
 * D-518 NA Bill Miller and Robert Wade (as Wade Miller) Nightmare Cruise (1961).
 * I've dug a bit around on this and found Whit Masterson.
 * I changed it to
 * D-518 NA Bill Miller and Robert Wade (as Wade Miller) Nightmare Cruise (1961).
 * But I think it can be done better. Thoughts? Grey Shadow 05:33, 28 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, you should italicise the title, of course :p, and there's no point linking to Miller and Wade, which are dab pages without appropriate links. So:
 * *D-518 NA Bill Miller and Robert Wade (as Wade Miller) Nightmare Cruise (1961)


 * I'll add a dab link to Wade Miller.
 * Keep up the good work, detective.
 * TheMadBaron 05:54, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

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