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Kuwait-Nejd border war
See these edits --Σύμμαχος (talk) 05:10, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure about the correctness of your edits, what are your sources?Greyshark09 (talk) 17:59, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Kuwaiti & Najdi historical sources written in 1920s --Σύμμαχος (talk) 15:35, 12 January 2012 (UTC)


 * It is 1920-1921 (not 1919)Greyshark09 (talk) 20:59, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

The first battle occurred in 1919 and the second one occurred in 1920.. Finally, the peace process between Kuwait and Riyadh discussed in the capital of Najd Riyadh in February 1921 --Σύμμαχος (talk)

I think the article needs to be entirely rewritten according to this source .Greyshark09 (talk) 20:59, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

this source is in not quite accurate, can we use Arabic sources? --Σύμμαχος (talk) 15:35, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * According to WP:RS, there are no "accurate" and "non-accurate" sources. There are only "reliable" sources. Hence, we always go according to reliable sources, and if they show several versions then all versions are described. Regarding Arabic - it is possible, but not desirable to use Arabic in English wikipedia. The guideline is to use another language if English sources are not sufficient (which is not the case here).Greyshark09 (talk) 14:44, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

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Leaving Mandate page
I respect your decision to leave the page, but I wish you hadn't. You made a good contribution with the merger and you left just as we were closing in on a conclusion on the critical remaining question. Oncenawhile (talk) 13:04, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Oncenawhile, i'm frankly tired of the discussions there, especially going back to issues we long agreed on, when a newcomer editor arrives to the page. The idea of ZScarpia, which i agreed upon, was to leave the rest of the agonizing process to other editors, as to our joint opinion the consensus stalled. I hope without our strong advocacy to polarizing opinions, some kind of consensus could arise. If you want to discuss some specific question, i have no problem discussing it here, but i would try to avoid the "British Mandate for Palestine" page.Greyshark09 (talk) 13:16, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Fully understood. Whenever you have time I would like to understand your opinion on my questions, as it would help to identify the exact focus of the disagreement. Oncenawhile (talk) 13:33, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Masada
Hello! I'm working on Masada article from Spanish Wikipedia, and I just added those references into the article here. But I saw you added one reference that I want to check by my own, because I find it very intereresting. I'm talking about the number 7 from the current version, this one (Duncan B. Campbell, "Capturing a desert fortress: Flavius Silva and the siege of Masada") Do you have that source at hand? I'll thank you so much any little help you could provide me. Regards, Kordas (sínome!) 14:28, 14 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi, did you see the message I left above? Thank you. Kordas (sínome!) 20:59, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, sorry for forgetting about your request (i have some busy issues on several pages). I think i did not add the ref myself, but did the split of the page Masada into Siege of Masada. Anyway, i don't remember regarding this source.Greyshark09 (talk) 22:22, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Vote on Syrian Talk page
I set up a vote on whether to include alqaeda in the infobox.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2011–2012_Syrian_uprising Sopher99 (talk) 20:37, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Palestinian territories
Can you explain this revert to me? I think that Interwiki was actually correct. -- W\&#124;/haledad (Talk to me) 06:27, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Nope, it was an error - the German article is about the Palestinian Authority (and the Palestinian National Authority article indeed directs to this German version). However, for some reason the German article interwikies to the en:Palestinian territories. not en:Palestinian National Authority. I will fix it in both languages so it will be bidirectional interwiki to Palestinian Authority.Greyshark09 (talk) 17:23, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, you are wrong here. de:Palästinensische Autonomiegebiete is the exact same thing as the Palestinian territories. You are mixing this up with de:Palästinensische Autonomiebehörde which is the same as the Palestinian National Authority. Please see the meaning of "Gebiet" (= territory) and the meaning of "Behörde" (= authority). -- W\&#124;/haledad (Talk to me) 20:11, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I see, the "autonomie" is very confusing. I'll leave it alone then. ThanksGreyshark09 (talk) 21:31, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Section heading in Occupation of the Gaza Strip by Egypt
As you've twice reverted what I thought would be an uncontroversial change, I've explained my reasoning on the Talk page (here). I'd appreciate your comments.--Sjsilverman (talk) 19:11, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Hello! + Kurdish Jews
Hello there! First of all, I must say the pictures you have on your user page are really nice. :) User:Rafy suggested I talk with you about Kurdish Jews since you have considerable contributions to the subject. I wrote him about the request he made there a while ago to move the page to Jews of Kurdistan. Unfortunately (to my opinion) this move didn't take place, and during the discussions there were some misconcenptions. My grandparents are Jews of Kurdistan area. Their native tongue is Aramaic (specifically, Lishana Deni, which is a Jewish Neo-Aramaic North-Eastern dialect). Kurdish was just one the languages they spoke as a foreign language, like Arabic. This is the case with all of the Jews from Kurdistan area I know (from my family and others). I can see two sources of confusion: 1. In Israel, Jews from that area are called in Hebrew "Kurdim", to distinguish them from Jews from other areas. Therefore their language is referred to in Israel as "Kurdit", but it is NOT the Kurdish language spoken by the Muslims of the area. It is a dialect of North-Eastern Neo-Aramaic. 2. Second source of confusion might be that ALL Jews, from all areas, use a totally different and ancient dialect of Aramaic for liturgical/religious purposes. This is shared by all Jews, and has nothing to do with the fact that Jews from Kurdistan area speak a modern dialect of Aramaic as their Native tongue; Since Jews of Kurdistan don't share the language with the Kurds, but speak Aramaic dialects (which are actually close to the Aramaic dialects spoken by the Christians of the area), I find the title "Jews of Kurdistan" more appropriate than "Kurdish Jews". I would be glad to hear what you think about it. Thank you very much. :) P.S. - I saw some Hebrew on your user page, do you speak Hebrew? :) Ben Gershon - בן גרשון (Talk) 03:13, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Regarding the pics - it is just a collection, not mine. Regarding Jewish denominations - there is no common way to name the Jewish communities today. There are many identity "layers" and hence much confusion. The ancient Jewish communities were largely "Judeans" (Israeli Jews) and "Babylonian Jews", but in the Middle Ages the three mainstream new denominations appeared - Jews of Lower Germania ("Ashkenazi Jews"), Jews of Spain ("Sephardic Jews") and Jews of Persia and Mesopotamia ("Persian Jews"), with less significant communities in Yemen, Egypt, Caucasus. Over 16th-20th centuries the diaspora became so wide that new identities were created like the "Russian Jews", the "Iraqi Jews", "British Jews" and even "American Jews". However, recently the largest portion Jews are once again defined as "Israeli Jews". If you find "Jews of Kurdistan" better term than "Kurdish Jews" - that's not really counting per wiki guidelines, since you have to bring reliable sources (not including yourself). If you find enough reliable sources to change the WP:COMMONNAME "Kurdish Jews", then please - propose the rename once again, i will read and decide if to support you or not. Disclamer: i don't have any personal feelings on this, so i promise to be as objective as i can. Last time the analysis turned out that "Kurdish Jews" is a more utilized term, but as Rafy proposed Kurdish Jews were removed from articles on Kurdish population as ethnically non-Kurdish.Greyshark09 (talk) 17:51, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
 * BTW, if you are interested in Kurdish Jews (Jews of Kurdistan), you might find t interesting to help me to impove the Urfalim article.Greyshark09 (talk) 17:51, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for your reply! :) I don't understand what kind of reliable sources I need to find for Jews of Kurdistan, this is a rather delicate issue and I'm not sure what kind of sources can be for this. You mean places where the phrase "Jews of Kurdistan" has been utilized? Anyway, I think using the term Kurdish Jews requires sources as well, because if you want to call a non-Kurdish speaking community Kurdish, you really need a source for that. By Saying "Jews of Kurdistan" you only say they resided in Kurdistan area, which is well-known. By saying "Kurdish Jews" you say they are Kurdish, so those who claim they are Kurdish should bring sources for that, especially since this community doesn't speak Kurdish but speaks Aramaic. I invite you to Zikhron Yossef neighbourhood in Jerusalem to hear the language for yourself. ;) About Urfalim, I'll look at it. And thanks for your attention! :) Ben Gershon - בן גרשון (Talk) 18:05, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Reliable sources are academic sources about Jews in Kurdistan, according to my readings - most useful term is "Kurdish Jews" - we discussed it on the talk page there. Perhaps you are not aware, but Italian Jews are not etnically Italian, Iraqi Jews and Syrian Jews are not very much connected with modern Syrians and Iraqis (mostly Arabs) and American Jews are not related to native Americans. It is largely a territorial / national definition, not ethnic - of course Jews are an ethnicity, rather than religion (ethnoreligion more precise). Specifically egarding Kurdish Jews then historically those communities (incl. you) are less related to ethnic Kurds (inhabitans of the Talmudic "Karda") than ethnic Israelites (inhabitans of the ancient "Aram" and "Canaan").Greyshark09 (talk) 20:06, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I know what reliable sources are. I was asking what kind of proof you expect to find there, that would incline us to use "Jews of Kurdistan" instead of "Kurdish Jews"; And yes, I know Jews are an ethnicity, this is EXACTLY why I wanted to change the name of the article, because now its name suggests Kurdish ethnic identity. You can see that Polish Jews redirects to History of Jews in Poland, Romanian Jews to History of the Jews in Romania, Iraqi Jews to History of the Jews in Iraq etc etc (there are plenty of other examples). Perhaps Kurdish Jews should redirect to History of Jews in Kurdistan, like those other pages, and this way it would reflect that the connection of those Jews to Kurdistan is by residence, and not by ethnicity - exactly as you wrote. Ben Gershon - בן גרשון (Talk) 20:13, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
 * It will be rather surprising for you to discover how many Iraqis, Turks, Assyrians and Iranians would oppose your idea to create/rename a page "History of Jews in Kurdistan", trying to merge it into "History of Jews in Turkey", "History of Jews in Iran" and "History of Jews in Iraq", or rename it to "History of Jews in Assyria". Be careful of going deep into those politic issues, the Middle East is a boiling pot. Take a look at History of the Jews in Italy and Italian Jews, there is no problem having both articles (one on the community and one on specific history in Italy), same as Sephardic Jews and History of the Jews in Spain. In my opinion, you may create History of the Jews in Kurdistan (which will include the community's history in Kurdish areas) in addition to Kurdish Jews (both history in Kurdish areas and in Israel), but be aware of the politics. B'hazlakha.Greyshark09 (talk) 20:25, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Akh yakar, I see you don't understand what I wrote, or maybe I wasn't clear enough. I don't have an "idea" to create or rename those pages, it's ALREADY this way. Polish Jews is ALREADY a redirect link to History of Jews in Poland, and the same goes to the other examples I gave, and many others; Anyway, I think I'm going to give up. I didn't want to fight with anybody, just wanted to make sure Wikipedia reflects the fact that Jews of Kurdistan are not ethnically Kurdish. But it seems impossible to make it happen. As a Jew from Kurdistan myself, I find it sad. Ben Gershon - בן גרשון (Talk) 20:35, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Ben, Wikipedia is a mess, just the fact there is a redirect doesn't mean there was a page like that (Polish Jews in the past. It just means that there probably was no one to make the Polish Jews page. I gave you other examples where 2 articles exist. BTW, by saying you are a "Jew from Kurdistan" do you mean you were born in Kurdistan? I assume not.Greyshark09 (talk) 20:51, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I can see the mess. I'm used to Hebrew Wikipedia where things are more clear when it comes to these things, I think; I was born in Jerusalem (where most of Jews from Kurdistan live today), my grandparents were born in Kurdistan. Ben Gershon - בן גרשון (Talk) 20:55, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Thought so, but the fact you were born in Jerusalem will make your definition as "Jew of Kurdistan" quiet problematic you see. "Jew of Kurdish background" makes more sense, same as "Sephardic background" or "Ashkenasi background". Anyway, in Israel those denominations will be lost within a generation or two, just like the tribal "shvatim" definitions were once lost after return from Babylon in 5th century BCE (aside Samaritans and Levites).Greyshark09 (talk) 21:28, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Whatever. In Israel we still denote the original backgroud to people of 2nd and 3rd generation too. People do say they're "marokai", "iraki", "kurdi", "teimani", "polani", "romani" even if it's their grandparents who were born there. But honestly I don't see where you're going with this. I am not telling you how to see yourself so I appreciate it if you don't tell me how to see myself; My only intention in this discussion was to make sure that Wikipedia reflects the fact that the Jews of that area (and you can call them whatever you want) are ethnically Jews and not Kurdish. And to correct the mistake people made in the talk page, as if those Jews speak Kurdish. Ben Gershon - בן גרשון (Talk) 22:30, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure, i know. Another issue - I redirected the Judæo-Kurdish from Northeastern Neo-Aramaic to Judeo-Aramaic language, the discussion is now at Talk:Judeo-Aramaic language. I think you would agree that this redirect is more precise.Greyshark09 (talk) 07:07, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I replied in the talkpage there. Both options are good in my opinion (redirecting to Judaeo-Aramaic or to Northeastern-Neo-Aramaic). I'm glad you mentioned the dialect of the Jews of Zakho (Lishana Deni) because that's the one I really care about :) Ben Gershon - בן גרשון (Talk) 16:06, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

British Mandate for Palestine (legal instrument)
Hi Greyshark, please could you kindly take a look at the demerged article British Mandate for Palestine (legal instrument)? I know that you and ZScarpia (who I have also messaged) took self-imposed leave from the debate, but you are both knowledgeable on the subject so your input would be very helpful. Oncenawhile (talk) 18:56, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for invit, i've recently seen your work - i think that in general it has been done in accordance with the common view point including me. The only remark on demerger is linking the "legal instrument" article into the "geopolitical entity" article, by saying a few words on the document / the legal act. I also hope you all decide on a proper naming for the "geopolitical entity" article, which will be simple and per WP:COMMONNAME (i have already proposed "British Mandate Palestine", "Mandate Palestine" or "Mandatory Palestine").Greyshark09 (talk) 19:54, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks Greyshark. I plan to start a move discussion soon if noone else does. Oncenawhile (talk) 20:55, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The weight of the skies is on your shoulders altlasnawhile, i will drop by to say my vote when you do the proposal. BTW, i thought of changing the upper remark at the new legal instrument article - instead of "to the history section refer to Mandate Palestine" -> "to the geopolitical entity refer to Mandate Palestine", but then i remembered ZSCarpia opposed this for some reason, thus i reverted myself to avoid being unfair in our mutual exclusion of edits. It is up to your consideration.Greyshark09 (talk) 21:48, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks :-D. I agree with your proposed change, although I thought best to wait until the move discussion concludes. I am going to start the move now, and include all three of your proposals as options. Oncenawhile (talk) 22:08, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Greyshark, I suggest that we modify our agreement to allow participation on the article talk page. The purpose of my original suggestion was to provide a way of avoiding getting involved in an edit war. So long as we're only participating on the talk page and not in editing the article, we're not going to become involved in anything like that. Thoughts?    ←   ZScarpia  14:21, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
 * It was not about edit war on my behalf, i just feel i'm done with this issue and contributed enough. Regarding the talk page, i've already mentioned that i will passively watch the talk page and perhaps add short remarks in the future. Hence, feel free to do the same.Greyshark09 (talk) 17:32, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

@Oncenwahile, i see now a similar problem arising at the British Mandate of Mesopotamia article. I guess a similar procedure needs to be made there, so i challenge you to help me there after the "Mandate Palestine" is finished. It will be much more interesting for me to expand the Iraqi history, do you have historic interest there?Greyshark09 (talk) 22:45, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

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Jewish exodus - Nakba comparison
Hey. Regarding your recent changes  to the passage on Porath's opinion, I think the changes are generally warranted. There are a couple of points I take issue with. I think Porath's acknowledgement of the merely "superficial" similarity is important to his argument. Also Porath states "their ideological and historical significance is entirely different." which I think justifies the original language "arguing that the ideological and historical significance of the two population movements are totally different". Your rational for these two particular changes is unclear from your edit summary so I plan to amend the passage to address these two points of your edit, which I believe are important to accurately reflect Porath's opinion per RS. If you are unhappy with my changes I am happy to discuss further on the talk pages. Dlv999 (talk) 22:09, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I guess you wanted to point out some issues with your additions, which is perfectly fine. However, you omitted or mispresented other issues. Maybe it happened in my edit as well, i promise to take a second look.Greyshark09 (talk) 17:50, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Recent edits
When you have no idea of a situation it is usually best to shut the fuck up. Note the article name you dunce,List of ongoing military conflicts does that indicate to you when it fucking started? And calling Komment meict frei a blog? At least I am currently on the lash, I can only hope you are as well you fuckwit. 19:22, 3 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Please accept my most sincere apology for my ill mannered and drunken outburst. There are no excuse for the behavior other than drunken boorishness on my part. Darkness Shines (talk) 11:55, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Except the fact i was first offended - your actions looked quiet lunatic and essentially amusing how you demanded to be blocked. Complete nonsense situation - i thought your account might have been hacked or somethin'.Greyshark09 (talk) 21:15, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

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Greetings
Thanks for your wishes. I thought that the Jewish new year was usually in Autumn! Anyway have a nice spring, Nisan Tov :).--  R a f y  talk 23:04, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Of course, silly me Jewish year doesn't start with Nisan.--  R a f y  talk 23:05, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, the Jewish year starts in Tishrei (7th month), but Israelite year starts in Nissan (1st month). If you read the Torah, you can find the will of G-d regarding observation of the Day of Atoinment (Kippur) - it shall be observed on the 10th day of the seventh month (Tishrei) - meaning Nissan is the first month of the creation. Technically the year starts in Nissan but celebrated among the Jews exactly 6 months later in Tishrei.Greyshark09 (talk) 05:16, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah I see... Happy new year then :).--  R a f y  talk 09:48, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Merge discussion at Caesarea
Greyshark, I've notified the Administrators' noticeboard about your request to close the discussion. Note that there is currently a backlog on closing discussions, but hopefully an admin will get around to it. D O N D E groovily  Talk to me  04:20, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

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Iraq and Mesopotamia
Hi Greyshark, I made the mistake of removing the Iraq and Mesopotamia articles from my watch list, and now I've returned to find that you've made a number of major mistakes in those articles. I don't know what sources you've been reading, but I did a lot of research before the improvements I made. Your edits suggest you have misunderstood three basic facts about the history: (1) The mandate idea was never implemented and the mandate plan was dropped in 1921 (British administration continued until 1932, but there was no mandate); (2) The country became officially known as Iraq in 1921; (3) Faisal became King in 1921. I am happy to debate this as long as you need, but suffice to say your edits have been detrimental to these articles. Oncenawhile (talk) 07:52, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I had made the same mistake as you did - being surprised to find out your extensive and controversial edits (i thought we would debate it together after you finish with the Mandatory Palestine). Regarding the WP:RS - Iraq is quiet my expertise, so i don't believe you claim holds much water in it. Let's discuss it on the Mesopotamia page.Greyshark09 (talk) 07:55, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Greyshark, i responded on the talk page earlier today. I'm planning to revert your reversions soon, but i'd prefer to discuss first if you have time to respond. Oncenawhile (talk) 20:41, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Well ok, but take in mind that i might revert you once again.Greyshark09 (talk) 20:47, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Are you ok with the new titles? We need to fix the text etc. Oncenawhile (talk) 15:39, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Inclusion of pre-Zionist massacres in Palestine, History of Palestine, and Palestinian people articles
Can you please take a look at the == 1517, 1660, and 1834 pogroms/massacres in Hebron, Safed, and Tiberias == disputes on the talk pages of Palestine, History of Palestine, and Palestinian people please?

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Redirect
I noticed this edit, in which you changed the target of a redirect. I find the new target less logical. Could you please explain yourself? Debresser (talk) 19:57, 5 May 2012 (UTC)s
 * Why less logical? It was part of Ottoman Syria. Do you want to disambig to specific vilayets?Greyshark09 (talk) 21:46, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I understand. I think it is logical to keep the word "Palestine", which is part of the page name, in the target as well. Debresser (talk) 06:15, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * If you want to make a vote, i don't mind.Greyshark09 (talk) 07:46, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Edits
Which edits are you refering to?Kermanshahi (talk) 16:13, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Those edits:

, See my talk attempts here: Talk:1979 Kurdish rebellion in Iran, Template talk:Campaignbox Kurdish–Turkish conflict.Greyshark09 (talk) 16:19, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Battle of Zinjibar
Question. Would you agree with this discussion? We close the Battle of Zinjibar article as ending in September 2011 with an Al Qaeda victory. There was a really big lull in the fighting, six months, up to the March 2012 destruction of the artillery battalion. Than again a two-month lull up to the newest offensive. I propose to close the article. Create a new one for the artillery battalion destruction as that one annonymous user proposed and create a new article titled something like 2012 Abyan offensive for the fighting of the last 10 days in and around Zinjibar and Jar. You agree? EkoGraf (talk) 19:42, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Of course, i really don't like this idea to "prolong" events which in reality are long over. The same needs to be done with the 2011-2012 Yemeni uprising.Greyshark09 (talk) 20:06, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * What name would you suggest for the article on the March battle in which the Army artillery battalion was destroyed? I can't think of any at the moment. Maybe Battle of Dofas? Since the artillery battalion was stationed there for use in launching artillery strikes on Zinjibar and Lowdar. EkoGraf (talk) 16:56, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

All done. :) EkoGraf (talk) 18:20, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Date formats
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necrometrics.com
Hello, please remember not to use the source necrometrics.com as it was deemed unreliable in the Reliable Sources Noticeboard Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_116 and Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_122. --Enric Naval (talk) 12:39, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I know that - necrometrics should be removed, but it is a somehow profound procedure to undertake.Greyshark09 (talk) 17:37, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Governance of the Gaza Strip
Your edit today is in breach of the 1RR restriction on all articles related to the Arab-Israeli conflict. I recommend that you self-revert, in order to avoid any sanctions. RolandR (talk) 20:24, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but even though i can be indeed sunctioned for it - the rv is purely technical, since Andres' sockpuppet interrupted in the middle of ongoing edits.Greyshark09 (talk) 20:29, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Your edits to History of Palestine
...are mixing good edits with bad. We're going to have to discuss on talk first - you have edited many many controversial points. Oncenawhile (talk) 21:37, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Good and bad are funny terms... in any case, i don't mind - i'm going over the history of all Middle Eastern countries right now, and this is an ordinary lead editing i made. Feel free to do anything you like, but i'm moving to next ones.Greyshark09 (talk) 16:21, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

French mandate
Hi Greyshark, please could we discuss your recent edits to the French Mandate of Syria page at Talk:French Mandate of Syria and the Lebanon? I will post there now. I had taken the page off my watchlist so apologies for the delayed reply. I really don't agree with how it has been turned from an article about the mandate document to an article about a "country". Oncenawhile (talk) 11:00, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I guess we have the same diagreement as always. I did create an article on the document in addition to the mandatory entity, the original article represents.Greyshark09 (talk) 16:27, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

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 * Thanks, i'm just curious what half a burnstar means?Greyshark09 (talk) 19:57, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Not sure if you looked it up already now, but... "The Half Barnstar is awarded for excellence in cooperation, especially for productive editing with someone who holds an opposing viewpoint." Lots of disagreement on the Syrian Uprising article, but both sides are doing a good job. Fanzine999 (talk) 18:42, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Just an extra note
I checked several sources, and of course there was no entente. There were, as you probably know, several meetings, discussions and probings between Jordanian and Israeli officials. Mapan opposed any entente, oddly enough because they preferred an independent Palestinian state to Jordanian annexation (precisely, and history broadly is full of such ironies) al-Husseini's position. Shlaim, The Iron Wall pp.42ff. has a summary recapitulation of the details. Thanks for your work there.Nishidani (talk) 08:59, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for checking it. I guess when you said mapan you meant mapam (the Zionist socialist party).Greyshark09 (talk) 20:10, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Angolan Civil War
Hello: having worked on Angola for more than four decades, I have over the last two years or so tried to improve articles on Angola in WP (several languages). I was thus delighted to see your recent work on the en:WP article on the Angolan Civil War, which is a period I have somewhat neglected with regard to the military side. I wonder whether we can agree on the following points:
 * 1) The civil war in Angola ran from 1975 to 2002. The war for independence stopped effectively in April 1974, although a formal peace agreement was signed in January 1975 only. What I call the "decolonization conflict" is the fight between the nationalist movements & allies from April 1974 to November 1975 (independence). This conflict becomes a civil war after independence. Civil war can be divided in two periods: until 1991 (Cuban and South African military involvement) and 1991-2002 (external support only). I think this periodization is important, because it permits to specify the participation of other countries.
 * 2) There was direct participation of Cuba and SA in the fighting in 1974/75 as well as in 1975-1991.
 * 3) I have never heard of the involvement of French & Morroccan troops: what are your sources?
 * 4) The support of the Soviet Union consisted of air transport for Cuban troops, furnishing military equipment, and a few advisors, mostly in 1974/75, less in 1975-1991.
 * 5) Zaire supported the FNLA (logistics, equipment) and (small) contingents of troops, mainly in 1974/75, less so in 1975-1991 (when, as far as I know, the FNLA ceased it military activity as early as 1976/77)
 * 6) The US gave UNITA logistical, material and diplomatic support 1975-1991.
 * 7) China gave the FNLA some (unspecified) support in the early 1960s, and shifted this support (which then included military training in China for come cadres) to UNITA after 1966. This is uncontested : see e.g. John Marcum's book.
 * 8) Algeria supported the MPLA 1961-1974, mainly by hosting a pivotal group of MPLA exile cadres. I don't know about any further support.
 * 9) I don't have any sources on Libyan involvement.
 * 10) I am quite surprised at you mentioning the FNLC: what are the sources?
 * 11) Gabon and Côte d'Ivoire: I don't have sources, either.
 * 12) Mozambique: the FRELIMO regime has given "fraternal" moral and diplomatic support to the MPLA from the 1960s onwards, but as far as I know, there was no military involvement (so much the less as there was a civil war going on in Mozambique as well).

Do you think you could answer to all this, on this page? Thank you in advance -- Aflis (talk) 13:26, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Frankly, i'm no expert onm Angola, and nor Angola is the focal point of my editor interests; thank you however for your gratitude over my work there. I've stumbled upon the article when user:EcoGraf gave the Angolan civil war as an example of how to list belligerents, which totally flustrated me, as it the Angolan civil war article infobox had been a completely unsourced mess. Therefore, i decided to fix it as a one time editor effort. Regarding your points:
 * I don't contest the timing of the conflict; Answer Aflis: ok
 * Cuba and SA made direct participation in the conflict, but the source i found lists them as "supporters" to each of the sides. It is somehow semantic whether we list them as direct belligerents or supporters (i don't care). Answer Aflis: In fact "supporter" has various meanings, and so does "belligerent". For me, the latter implies combat troops, the former doesn't - which means there is a fundamental difference.
 * French and Moroccan troops, as well as FNLC participated in Shaba I and Shaba II, however i'm not sure whether Shaba battles were part of the Angolan civil war or just a satellite conflict. Answer Aflis: A significant contingent of "Gendarmes katangais" passed into Angola and ended up fighting for the MPLA. As far as I know, this was the only repercussion of the Shaba Wars in Angola.
 * Soviet Union is listed by WP:RS as a major supporting power in the conflict. In addition, the infobox lists that it had deployed troops and sustained casualties- i have not checked the sources however. Answer Aflis: From all I know through Angolan and Cuban sources, there were no Soviet combat troops in Angola, just a number of "military advisers" (some of whom may, of course, have died).
 * Zaire - as well a supporting party in the conflict. Answer Aflis: ok
 * US gave a significant collteral support, the question is whether it was exceptional to list it, considering it brought no troops on the ground. I tend to accept the stance of Perez de Cuellar on this. Answer Aflis: One can compare the role of the US to that of the the URSS: there were a number of CIA "operatives" on the ground in Angola.
 * China's support (if existed) was not significant and therefor not WP:DUE. Answer Aflis: China's support was decisive for launching UNITA whose leader, Savimbi, got training in, and material support from, China in the sixties. Sources listed in John Marcum, "The Angolan Revolution" (a work that constituted a fundamental reference).
 * no sources on involvement of Algeria through the conflict (1975 on). Answer Aflis: ok
 * Libyan involvement is unsourced. Answer Aflis: ok
 * FNLC was involved in Shaba (see above). Answer Aflis: ok
 * Gabon and Cote d'voir - unsourced. Answer Aflis: ok. NB: Its "Côte d'Ivoire"!
 * Mazimbique - i had no info on that, so considering your knowlege, it should as well be removed. Answer Aflis: ok
 * Hope it clarifies.Greyshark09 (talk) 14:33, 8 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I placed my answers in your text, in italics. Will you now fix the infobox (& text)? -- Aflis (talk) 15:35, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I will fix the infobox, but regarding the text - pls do it yourself; i have my attention on other issues right now.Greyshark09 (talk) 20:07, 19 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok, will do - in due course....--Aflis (talk) 20:39, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Charlie Wilson
As far as I can see it it's not based on the movie, but on the real-life story on which the movie is also based on. It's a fact of life that the US supplied arms and money to the rebels in Afghanistan. Anyway, except you no other editor has expressed a problem with having economic and arms suppliers in the infobox. And I'm not the only one who has reverted you, at least two other editors have reverted you. And since it's properly sourced please don't remove sourced info. Thank you. EkoGraf (talk) 15:43, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
 * It is sourced, but unrelated to the infobox; I can the same way add supported by "al-qaeda", because their #2 called to go on Jihad upon Assad. It is also sourced, but similarly rediculous. We are not talking about an extensive support with logistics and intelligence, money and weapons which US and USSR provided to Angola and Afghanistan (including intelligence officers, some troops and logistic units) in the appropriate conflicts. It is uncompareable.Greyshark09 (talk) 18:33, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

P.S., reading your above comments on Angola I must say I'm sorry if you were frustrated by me in any way, not my intention. Cheers! EkoGraf (talk) 15:54, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The Angolan Civil war infobox flustrated me, not you.Greyshark09 (talk) 18:22, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Damascus bombing move proposal
Hi, could you voice your opinion on this matter Talk:18_July_2012_Damascus_suicide_bombing. I don´t want to get into another edit war with that "editor" and consensus about it should be easily made. EllsworthSK (talk) 16:42, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Dawoud Rajiha
I noticed you just added the Arab Christian notation to the Rajiha article. Do you know whether he's Eastern Orthodox or Greek? I believe it's Greek - that's what I've seen in most sources - but the article says "Eastern Orthodox Church". I planned on changing it, but noticed your revision and wondered if you know anything more on this. dci &#124;  TALK   20:02, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure whether he is Eastern Orthodox or Greek Orthodox (probably Arab Orthodox branch of the Greek Orthodox church), but he is almost certainly an Arab Christian (almost 100% of those Churches' adherents are ethnically Arabs, tiny percentage being ethnic Greeks or Armenians maybe).Greyshark09 (talk) 20:06, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * OK.  dci  &#124;  TALK   20:18, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * He is Greek Orthodox, which makes him an ethnic Arab.Greyshark09 (talk) 21:01, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Kurdish-Iraqi conflict
The reason I created the article "Kurdish-Iraqi War" in the first place was because actually the Second Kurdish-Iraqi War was not from April 1974-Mid 1975 but from April 1974 to October 1991. In fact, basically the both the first and second kurdish iraqi war were in fact one long conflict with a few short lived cease-fires. Therefore an article was needed to cover the war in it's entirety. When you chose to re-name the article as "Kurdish-Iraqi conflict" I assumed this was just a harmless name change, maybe to make it more NPOV or uncontroversial, since people often prefer the term "conflict" over "war" in case of insurgency related articles. However, I see you have used this name-change to recently change the entire concept of the article about the history of Kurds in Iraq including all kinds of old revolts completely unrelated to this war that was started by Mullah Mustafa and continued by his son and Jalal Talabani. I do not think these changes should have been made and we should discuss how to adress this issue.Kermanshahi (talk) 20:59, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Let's move the discussion to the article talk page, see my response there.Greyshark09 (talk) 21:06, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Syria-Israel ceasefire
Not changing the article (unless a broad consensus... Not topic of this section anyway), but thought you might find [|this] interesting.

"'Syria is at war with the axis of evil whose centers are in Tel Aviv and in Washington,' Syria's Ambassador to Iran Hamed Hassan said Monday."

-- Activism  1234  22:30, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
 * This is irrelevant, the cease fire is in tact for almost 39 years.Greyshark09 (talk) 16:40, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
 * OK firstly stop saying everything is irrelevant. I mentioned this to you as an interesting fact.  Not in regards to article.  And secondly, a ceasefire can be intact for 5000 years, the moment a country announces it's at war, it's at war. -- Activism  1234  17:42, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
 * What you now claim is WP:FRINGE.Greyshark09 (talk) 19:56, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
 * WHAAAAAT?????? No. No. Not at all. It's not fringe, it's a fact that a declaration of war violates a ceasefire.  And don't view this like we're editing an article either. -- Activism  1234  21:30, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
 * What do you mean "And don't view this like we're editing an article either."?Greyshark09 (talk) 05:32, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Governorates
Hello Greyshark, I just reverted your changes to the Governorates of the PA template. These sort of changes, where we're splitting the Palestinian territories into two distinct entities are controversial moves and, like the Palestinian Cities subject area, need to be discussed first. As I stated before, this is not a North/South Korea situation, there's no international recognition of two Palestinian entities (only one), the two entities are not completely separated, there are agreements set in place regarding the reunification of the two governments, etc. Furthermore, readers who land on the Deir al-Balah Governorate page for instance should be able to navigate to Ramallah and al-Bireh Governorate without having to make a separate search for it. Perhaps an overall discussion on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Palestine is the next step. --Al Ameer son (talk) 17:35, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
 * WP:Snowball per WP:RS; the "joint" PA is relevant to 2006 latest.Greyshark09 (talk) 17:50, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
 * WP:Snowball is irrelevant here. Also, I did not say there is currently a "joint" PA. I'm saying the Hamas administration in Gaza is not internationally recognized as an entity of any sort, the PLO/PA is and the two administrations are currently negotiating a joint government. The Gaza Strip never officially seceded from Palestine and the two entities continue to share a number of agencies. In any case, this should be discussed before we make sweeping changes throughout the topic area. --Al Ameer son (talk) 19:43, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Of course, since you object WP:Snowball is not relevant any more. However despite what you have just said, PA and GA are "currently" negotiating for already 5 years. Meanwhile, it seems the only reason for this negotiations is getting money from the EU. The Gaza Strip is recognized by Iran as the official representative of the Palestinians, and recently many Arab League countries were officially visited by representatives of the Gaza Administration as well.Greyshark09 (talk) 13:02, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

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1920 riots
Hi,

It is not 'right' that the Franco-Syria war was the main context of these riots because it started 'after' these events... BUT you are fully right that the claim of Faisal for the throne of Greater Syria, that provoked that war, is one of the main if not the main contextual cause of these riots. So, in a sense, you are 'right' ! ;-).

I corrected the lede. Pluto2012 (talk) 17:57, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
 * You are not precise - the riots took place in April 1920, while the Franco-Syrian war began with the proclamation of the Arab Kingdom of Syria in March 1920. Actually clashes between Arab militants and French began as early as late 1919, but the starting date is usually considered January or March 1920.Greyshark09 (talk) 22:03, 20 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I will check because I don't think the Franco-Syrian war began with the proclamation of the Arab Kingdom of Syria in March or even with the clashes of January or February but that it began after the San Remo conference because the French needed legitimaty to intervene in "their" mandate.
 * Anyway, if sources state that the war started with clashes, then your wording was better.
 * I studied the topic of these riots and I never saw reference to the "war" but only to the proclamation of Faisal...
 * To be checked precisely. Pluto2012 (talk) 05:44, 21 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi,
 * I will check other sources but that one : [books.google.com/books?id=H5WzZoCYAjoC&pg=PA66&lpg=PA66&dq=Faisal+france+war&source=bl&ots=kIOnz428aW&sig=4Bu1CWjEPbHvXZk-UC6zZfoQjIM&hl=fr&sa=X&ei] and provide the same explanations as mine in reminding more details. Faisal was indeed ruling Damas since 1917 with the passive support of the British and French only intervened to expell him after San Remo. Pluto2012 (talk) 09:39, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

According to Sarkis et.al. the descriptio of the Franco-Syrian war is the following : 'The Franco-Syrian War of 1920 Participants: France vs. Syrians Dates: March, 1920, to August 7, 1920 Battle-Related Deaths: France—3,500; Syria—unknown; Where Fought: Middle East Initiator: France.' According to Peretz : "In the meantime in 1919 Faisal's Arab force began to clash with French troops. In March 1920, the Syrian congress in Damascus directly challenged France by proclaiming Syria- including Lebanon, Palestine and Transjordan - independent and offering Faisal the crown... both sides immidiately began to prepare for war." I think that settles the beginning of the war to March 1920.Greyshark09 (talk) 17:16, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Benny Morris, in Victims and Tom Segev in One Palestine. Complete both fix the date of the first attack of Arabs against French interest on March, 1st.
 * Given this and both your sources, that 4 vs 1.
 * I conclude that you was right.
 * I correct the article about the 1920 riots in that sense.
 * Thank you for your work. :-) Pluto2012 (talk) 19:16, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you, i will correct this in the Franco-Syrian War article.Greyshark09 (talk) 20:50, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

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Your revert
Rather than revert, wouldn't it have been simpler and less conflictual simply to have corrected the perceived section error and shifted the content of my edit to 'Human Rights', where you say it should be. You are not challenging its appropriateness,(revert reason) only its location on the page. I hope you reconsider and perform that courtesy.Nishidani (talk) 12:01, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Considering the current swelled size of the article (155kb), i think it is quiet a low-importance sentence to add, especially when added to a non-relevant section. I think you should better add it to "Human rights in the Palestinian territories" article.Greyshark09 (talk) 12:07, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, we 'll have to disagree on that. Violence is intrinsic to the settlement project historically, 2.5 incidents generally occur per diem, for example, and it takes place under military law. I'll scan the article to find a position for it.Nishidani (talk) 04:45, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Violence is also intrinsic to the Palestinian nationalism, so what? you source speaks of violence by the Israeli military, not by settlers.Greyshark09 (talk) 20:30, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

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Syrian civil war infobox
While it's under discussion, you should at least add Canada to those three countries, which is the only country sending medical supplies to the opposition according to its source of reference. Alabamaboy1992 (talk) 18:45, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * There has never been a consensus to add Canada to belligerents, i have never seen a source claiming Canadian soldiers or even agents or officers assist the opposition.Greyshark09 (talk) 20:43, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

If you check the source, it clearly indicates that Canada is sending medical supplies, which makes it a belligerent according to our own article on the Korean War. Alabamaboy1992 (talk) 21:59, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

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 * Thanks Activism, keep on contibuting to the wikipedia knowledge bank.Greyshark09 (talk) 15:14, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

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Battle of Al-Qusayr
Wondered if you wanted to split the Aftermath section of Battle of Al-Qusayr to the new article as we agreed on the talk page? Seems 4 against 1 are supporting the move (including me). EkoGraf (talk) 14:41, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

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Mergers
Regarding this post, please see WP:CANVAS. Particularly, "Campaigning: Posting a notification of discussion that presents the topic in a non-neutral manner.....Campaigning is an attempt to sway the person reading the message, conveyed through the use of tone, wording, or intent. While this may be appropriate as part of a specific individual discussion, it is inappropriate to canvass with such messages."

Your message to canvass for opinion is just a one sided advocacy for your favored position in the merger discussions. You repeat the highly contentious claim that the articles only cover the Mandate period, a claim you know has already been strongly rejected in the merger discussions. Dlv999 (talk) 13:49, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I think you are a very serious case of impatience and POV, it seems you are a strong advocate of a very specific attitude to wikipedia as an instrument for something else. On another note, it is perfectly legal to post merger notifications on relevant wikiproject pages, denying this is your complete misunderstanding of WP:CANVAS. You are hence warned as targeting my edits for personal reasons, please stop doing that at once.Greyshark09 (talk) 21:56, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

ANI
You wrote [t]he proposal, being a complete nonsense immediately drew angry responses from several users in my direction. I just want to clarify from my end, I wasnt angry with you, and honestly I was surprised by the move request with your name. But, just so you know, I think you are generally a good editor. You have an obvious POV on the issues, but all the same I like working with you. Dont worry about the move request, Im sure nobody thinks any less of you because of it. Especially since you didnt initiate it.  nableezy  - 15:24, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your kind words Nableezy. I would like to note that i also share a good opinion of your contributions, and sometimes we are surprisingly agreeing on things, which are tearing apart many others - maybe because both of us are putting typical POVs aside in favor of a more deeper perspective. I guess we have a lots of good things yet to do for the sake of knowledge.Greyshark09 (talk) 17:04, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

About my revert
I just want you to know that's it's not that I have hard feelings or anything, I just disagree with it. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 02:25, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
 * And the reason I cited a statement from that move request was because it was relevant, and was put way better then I could have put it. I'm not trying to rub it in your face in it or anything. In retrospect, that move request did look to much like I was doing it in your name. Also I'm not trying to start a discussion about that article here, I've already started one on the talk page. This is just my personal explanation to you to prevent any old hard feelings from resurfacing. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 02:41, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
Can you comment on this? FutureTrillionaire (talk) 14:34, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

You might be interested in participating in this
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Tiberias/Safed
I have reopened a discussion at Talk:1660_destruction_of_Safed that you were involved in before. Zerotalk 06:54, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Your reverts
You've been reverting me quite a bit lately. At first I was thinking that we just edit in the same areas, but this is to seaming like too much of a coincidence. Are you WP:Wikihounding me? Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 17:48, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Israeli Jews
Hello :-) I opened a discussion on the Israeli Jews page about creating a new selection of photos. I saw you showed interest in it in the past so if you would like to participate you are welcome! I am trying to promote an equal representation between Ashkenazi a Mizrahi Jews (right now only 4 out of 21 are Mizrahis) and less politicians in it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.3.21.223 (talk) 18:04, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Just for your knowledge - it seems you have no idea who are Mizrahi Jews and who are not. North African Jews (Maghrebi) and most Sephardics are NOT Mizrahi.Greyshark09 (talk) 21:01, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

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3rd column for Kurds in the Syrian civil war article
Not sure if you're interested in this, but there's a heated debate here (Talk:Syrian civil war) on whether to add a third column for the Kurds in the infobox, replace the Kurds listing with a note/redirect to the main 2012 Syrian Kurdistan conflict article, or keep it as it is. -- FutureTrillionaire (talk) 18:43, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Of course, i'll take a look.Greyshark09 (talk) 19:55, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Your post at WP:AN
Hi there, I hope you don't mind but I've just removed your post to the administrators' noticeboard and wanted to come straight here with some advice. First, I think AN is the wrong place; you seem to be making a specific complaint about a canvassing incident and so WP:ANI is really the place. Second and more importantly, the post you left was very long and unstructured and would be unlikely to get a sympathetic hearing. Can I advise you to submit something much shorter and more succinct, with pride of place given to diffs where we can clearly see the behaviour that is being complained of? I know this is extra work for you, but it will definitely increase your chances of getting a decent hearing. Kim Dent-Brown  (Talk)  16:44, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Appreciate it, i would follow your suggestion.Greyshark09 (talk) 16:52, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

sections
Thanks for fixing/adapting the section layout on the State of Palestine article. I am not sure it was the product of vandalism or simply a mess, but now it finally make sense.--Mor2 (talk) 20:02, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure, with pleasure.Greyshark09 (talk) 20:33, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

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Disputed Kurdish-Iraqi areas
Hi, I've noticed you created Disputed Kurdish-Iraqi areas recently. I believe it out to be merged with This article. Feel free to chose a new title.--  R a f y  talk 22:22, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, i shall merge.Greyshark09 (talk) 05:48, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Palistinian airports
Could I get you to comment on this talk page? Talk:List_of_airports_in_the_Palestinian_territories Thank you. --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 23:02, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi Greyshark, you're welcome to propose an alternate destination for Jewish ethnic divisions, but I'm concerned that this edit makes it look like Debresser is taking a position he hasn't been entirely clear on. He indicated that he agreed with a comment of mine, but my main point was that the current title is acceptable. Let's leave it to him to say whether or not he would support a move to Jewish ethnic subdivisions. Cheers, BDD (talk) 19:56, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Good point, i did a wrong edit, i shall self revert.Greyshark09 (talk) 20:01, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Changing name of Jewish ethnic devisions article
Hi :-) I started a vote on the talking page regarding changing the name to Jewish ethnic sub-divisions. I saw that you showed interest in an idea so I'm inviting you to take part in it! Guitar hero on the roof (talk) 13:04, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

December 2012
Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to violate Wikipedia's no original research policy by adding your personal analysis or synthesis into articles, you may be blocked from editing. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 22:23, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Considering the whole article is largely unreferenced, what is the point of your warning?Greyshark09 (talk) 22:24, 24 December 2012 (UTC)