User talk:Grhynedance

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File:Hunzeker official photo 2015.jpg
I'm very sorry, but there are problems with the licensing of this photograph. I'm not trying to be obstructionist to you, but rather help you. Please bear with me here. Near as one can tell, this image comes from Vectrus, and is copyrighted. The meta data on the image shows that it is copyrighted to David Wiegold, and all rights are reserved. Unless you can prove that you personally are David Wiegold, then we have to presume this image was taken from Vectrus/David Wiegold without permission. In order for this to work, you need to carefully follow the instructions shown at Declaration of consent for all enquiries. If you have questions about this process, I'd be happy to answer. Thank you, --Hammersoft (talk) 17:33, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi Hammersoft: This is a corporate photo done by a professional photographer and then released for use by the corporation. You find it in all the marketing collateral for the corporation and on the corporate website. While the metadata contains the photographers info, the photo was take 5 years ago prior to the company spinning out and re-naming itself. I am not sure how to account for it in the Wikipedia rules. As a member of the corporation, we use the photograph regularly because we have permission to. I just don't know how to document that for Wikipedia. Any suggestions? Grhynedance (talk) 18:04, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah, this is highly problematic. I see the image was done by a professional studio. Professional studios usually (not always, but usually) retain copyrights to the photographs they take. I strongly suspect this studio has retained rights, as they took the time to embed this information into the photograph's metadata. Even though the photographer granted your company permission to use the photo, this does not release it of copyrights...even though the photo is widely distributed. I'm very sorry, but we simply can't accept this photograph without a notice of release from the studio.
 * However, there's good news here. You work at the company; presumably you see this man on a regular basis. Take a photograph of him, or have his personal assistant (dare I say 'dog robber'; he will know that meaning :)) do so. The easiest route to do this is to take such a photograph on your own time, not while you are being paid by Vectrus for your time (a lunch break?). Else, the image belongs to Vectrus and we need a specific release from Vectrus. Whereas, if you take the photograph on your own time the rights to the image are held entirely by you, and you can license tag the image as you have done with File:Hunzeker official photo 2015.jpg. The File:Hunzeker official photo 2015.jpg needs to be deleted. However, I'm going to hold off for a day before tagging it for deletion, so you can see what I mean about the tagging of the image.
 * I'm very sorry this is all so arcane. I appreciate your patience. --Hammersoft (talk) 20:36, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Alternatively, you can place db-self on the image description page (above here the licensing has been added) of File:Hunzeker official photo 2015.jpg. This will result in the image being deleted in a relatively short time. --Hammersoft (talk) 20:48, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Paid editing
Hello Grhynedance. The nature of your edits gives the impression you have a financial stake in promoting a topic. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being compensated by a person, group, company or organization to use Wikipedia to promote their interests. Undisclosed paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not, and is an especially egregious type of COI; the Wikimedia Foundation regards it as a black hat practice. Paid advocates are very strongly discouraged from direct article editing, and should instead propose changes on the talk page of the article in question if an article exists, and if it does not, from attempting to write an article at all. At best, any proposed article creation should be submitted through the articles for creation process, rather than directly. Regardless, if you are receiving or expect to receive compensation for your edits, you are  required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:. The template Paid can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form:   . If I am mistaken – you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits – please state that in response to this message. If you are being compensated, please provide the required disclosure. In either case, please do not edit further until you answer this message. --Hammersoft (talk) 17:39, 8 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi Hammersoft. Thanks for your feedback. I'm a new user, trying to create an entry for a corporation CEO. I actually work at the corporation and the entry is about our Chief Executive Officer. He is an industry leader and a public figure who is not currently included in Wikipedia. The whole process of creating and publishing is confusing and difficult, so any assistance or guidance you can provide would be helpful. We think this is a legitimate and informative entry and would like to get it done as expeditiously as possible. Help! Thanks. Grhynedance (talk) 17:56, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm happy to work with you. However, you must understand our position; we are an encyclopedia, not a medium for companies to advertise themselves and/or their products. Even a corporate biography can be seen as that. Indeed, in this very sandbox article you've created, you've lifted content from an outside source that reads like advertising copy; "Vectrus is a leading, global government services company...". We do not write articles like that. Wikipedia is neutral in tone. Nevermind that this text is a copyright violation; even though it comes from your corporation we can not use it without explicit release from your company, and even if we had that release we wouldn't use it as it is not neutral in tone. Further, certainly you feel he is notable, and understandably so. But, this devolves from your well meaning conflict of interest as you are an employee of the company. We have to rely on secondary sources to support the notability of an individual. You should review Notability_(people). Looking in Google News, there's not much to work with outside of vectrus.com sources. See this search result. It's possible there are other secondary sources attesting to this gentleman's notability that have not been picked up in that search. I'm sorry this is so arcane. I really am. But, we have to strive to have a reliable, well sourced encyclopedia, most especially when it comes to biographies of living people. --Hammersoft (talk) 18:04, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Hi Hammersoft: Couple of questions (and I appreciate your time). First, notability. The subject of this entry is a former three-star General Officer in the U.S. Army who commanded large (Division and Corps-level) units. I believe that meets the military notability criteria for wikipedia. On top of that, he is the CEO of a fairly large (Billion $ +) defense corporation. Here are a couple of second source links that I would use as references for the article: http://gazette.com/contracts-old-and-new-fuel-colorado-springs-newest-public-company/article/1538504; http://www.csbj.com/2015/10/27/vectrus-ceo-draws-on-military-expertise/; Wikipedia entry "Exelis Inc". Second, marketing: I get it on the marketing terminology. We use it like we are talking when we describe the company, and since this really isn't about the company, I can clean that up. Third, the issue of being a paid editor. I work here. Am I precluded from being an author for the entry? Thanks you again. Grhynedance (talk) 18:36, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * It is a pleasure working with you, and I appreciate your willingness to work with us. Addressing several points:
 * Ok, based on him having been a three-star general, the appropriate guideline is WP:MILPEOPLE, which in one of its points says "Held a rank considered to be a flag, general or air officer" Therefore, by that guideline he passes our notability guidelines. Great!
 * Ok, for secondary sources to the article...the gazette.com article is only about Vectrus, and not about Mr. Hunzeker. Thus, as a secondary source to support an article about him it has little or no value. The CSBJ article is more useful, but supporting a biography of a living person (the local term here is "BLP") with a single secondary source is potentially problematic. I think you're wanting a biography of the CEO of Vectrus, and what we really need to do as an encyclopedia is write the biography of Mr. Hunzeker, which includes a (so far short, relative to total career) term as CEO of Vectrus. I think a fundamental rewrite is in order to achieve this goal.
 * Yes, internal language a company uses about itself is often stilted in marketing terms. Wikipedia does it too. But, we do try to avoid peacock terms for example.
 * On paid editing; yes, our conflict of interest guideline contains the following: "[paid editors should] suggest changes on the talk page and must disclose their COI". I.e., you should cease editing of the draft, as you have a direct conflict of interest, and must place the "paid" tag on your user page. The latter is an absolute requirement; failure to do so may lead an administrator here to block you. It is imperative you do this.
 * I've removed the AfC template from the draft. This will allow us time to rewrite and develop this article. While it is in draft form, please by all means feel free to edit Draft:Kenneth W. Hunzeker, but when this draft goes live you really need to not edit the actual article, which will eventually be at Kenneth W. Hunzeker. While we are working on the draft, please understand that I will be editing the text you place in the article (and I expect you to do the same with mine). I'm sure we can work cooperatively to achieve the best ends here.
 * Of note; somebody once started an article about him, back in 2008, and it was deleted for lack of content at the time. Interesting. I hope this all helps! --Hammersoft (talk) 20:25, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Hammersoft The user page Grhynedance is not created. How do I do that? Grhynedance (talk) 20:36, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Click on the red link in your signature line there, right above this ^^^^. In the editing window, place  --Hammersoft (talk) 20:38, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Ok, I modified what you did to match it up with the paid template. Yeah, I could have done that for you before you even edited that portion in before I mapped it to paid, but there's arcane rules here about not outing people. I couldn't be proactive and indicate you work for Vectrus as a statement. Uhg. Anyway, works now. --Hammersoft (talk) 20:43, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Hi Hammersoft. I'm back! I took your advice and re-wrote the research from Mr. Hunzeker's military career perspective and have updated the file as such. I need to add footnotes for the source material and will clean up the sources cited section and add some of the other items later today. Am I on a better path now for this entry? I am still working the picture issue, but I would like to add some additional information in the box under the photo that don't necessarily match the entry sections. I have copied them in below. Can you please guide me on how to put them in to the box? Born: Pittsburgh, Pa., August 26, 1952 Allegiance: USA Service: United States Army Years of service: 1975-2010 (35 years) Rank: Lieutenant general Commands held: 2d Battalion, 18th Field Artillery, III Corps Artillery 1st Infantry Division Artillery 1st Infantry Division V (U.S.) Corps Civilian Police Assistance Training Team, Multi-National Security Transition Command-Iraq, OPERATION Iraqi Freedom Alma Mater: United States Military Academy, West Point, NY Occupation: CEO & President, Vectrus, Inc. Grhynedance (talk) 20:55, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

Help me!
Please help me with the edits I recently made to the Ken Hunzeker draft. After discussing with Hammersoft, I reworked it to align with the Wikipedia guidelines...

17:24, 26 February 2016 (UTC)Grhynedance (talk)


 * Some immediate issues:
 * Biographies of living persons are subject to particularly strict requirements of citations. They need inline citations to clarify which of the references support which of the article's statements; merely listing the references at the end is not enough. See WP:Referencing for beginners on how to easily create nicely-formatted footnotes for your references.
 * Some of the references are less than reliable, including press releases and Wikipedia itself.
 * There was a stray signature in the middle of the draft. I'll remove that in a moment. Huon (talk) 22:17, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

I will clean it up and re-submit.Grhynedance (talk) 22:19, 26 February 2016 (UTC) I have added the citations I believe are appropriate and cleaned up the reference list at the end. How does this track with the items you reviewed last week. Thanks. Grhynedance (talk) 22:19, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Help me!
I was able to cite the draft article (Kenneth Hunzeker) and post the references in the appropriate section as requested. Can someone please review and see if the entry is making progress towards release? Thank you.

Please help me with...

Grhynedance (talk) 19:40, 29 February 2016 (UTC)


 * I have re-added the draft messagebox that contains instructions on how to submit the draft for a review. Before you do so, you should probably double-check the references to make sure the entire content is based on reliable third-party sources. Quite a few of the references look more like press releases published by the Army to me, and some content, for example on his family, seems not based on the given sources at all. Huon (talk) 22:26, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Kenneth W. Hunzeker (March 5)
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LaMona (talk) 19:05, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Photograph for your article on LTGEN Hunzeker
G'day, if you are looking for a photograph for your article on LTGEN Kenneth Hunzeker, I believe that this one here would be useable: Coming from a US government source, it would qualify for "PD-USGov" licence, I believe. Anyway, all the best. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 23:04, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
 * We already have a standard military photo of him on Commons. It's recent enough and shows him as a LTG. I've added it to the info box. - the WOLF  child  10:52, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Thank youGrhynedance (talk) 15:02, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
 * No problem. Your article looks like it's pretty close to acceptance. - the WOLF  child  20:25, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:Kenneth W. Hunzeker has a new comment
 I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Kenneth W. Hunzeker. Thanks! LaMona (talk) 00:48, 6 March 2016 (UTC) I see the comments. I will continue to work on the citations and resubmit now that the notability issue has been completed. I also see the notes from the other editors. By the way, I have been learning along the way. Initially we thought the subject would be notable based on his business credentials, but he is not and we understand why. He is notable from his many years in the Army and his attained rank of Lieutenant General, so the corporate photo is an artifact from earlier, less informed work. Thanks for your help, I'll keep working on it.Grhynedance (talk) 14:55, 6 March 2016 (UTC) One other item for clarification please. You refer to his CV in your notes. What I have attached as a source and relied on heavily is his biography as maintained by the Army's General Officer Management Office. The subject does not write this biography, it is taken, by the Army, from the individuals Army Service Record and replicated for every general officer in the same form and format. It is available as a matter of public record by contacting the Army... for any serving or retired officer that attained flag rank. He actually has a CV, which he has written and is posted on line, which is not used as a source. Hope that makes sense. Grhynedance (talk) 15:01, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Kenneth W. Hunzeker (March 6)
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LaMona (talk) 01:01, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Contacting Comments author
How do I contact the author of this comment on my draft page? "Comment: I can put together the awards and decorations bit, but I need 3 questions answered first- #1. How did he, as a commissioned officer, get the Army Good Conduct Medal, which is an enlisted award? Was he a mustang? (If so that should be mentioned in the text) #2. Which NATO Medal? & #3. Do you want them in the order listed rather than proper precedence order? Gecko G (talk) 01:15, 7 March 2016 (UTC)"

Thanks. New user. I could not figure out how to contact gecko G to respond.Grhynedance (talk) 15:13, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

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