User talk:Griffinxyz

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Hello, Griffinxyz, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful: I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your messages on discussion pages using four tildes ( ~ ); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question on this page and then place  before the question. Again, welcome! Shearonink (talk) 19:01, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
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 * -And send the email (attached picture file + completed form) to: permissions-commons@wikimedia.org

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Hope this helps, Shearonink (talk) 19:02, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Elian Script concern
Hi there, I'm HasteurBot. I just wanted to let you know that Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Elian Script, a page you created has not been edited in at least 180 days. The Articles for Creation space is not an indefinite storage location for content that is not appropriate for articlespace. If your submission is not edited soon, it could be nominated for deletion. If you would like to attempt to save it, you will need to improve it. You may request Userfication of the content if it meets requirements. If the deletion has already occured, instructions on how you may be able to retrieve it are available at WP:REFUND/G13. Thank you for your attention. HasteurBot (talk) 18:15, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Your article submission Elian Script


Hello Griffinxyz. It has been over six months since you last edited your article submission, entitled Elian Script.

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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. HasteurBot (talk) 18:02, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Pigpen cipher
Don't want to be unnecessarily brusque, but so far you have not met the burden of showing why Wikipedia should care in any way at all about Elian script. The rejection of your proposed article submission documented above on this page is not a good sign. AnonMoos (talk) 13:51, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Pigpen cipher
Hi, thanks for clarifying why you undid the edit; and I appreciate an opportunity to expand on my reasoning since I didn't know how to briefly write the above reasoning in the little "Edit summary" part of the editing page.)

As the experienced editor that you are, I'm sure you can appreciate that the informational focus is not primarily on Elian script, but on the Pigpen cipher. When it is cited as the source of Elian script, then that information is incorrect--see the YouTube Elian script tutorial comments with over 39,000 views. That same misinformation exists in the reddit/r/elianscript sub (with over 2,400 subscribers,) where the moderators have had to correct the participants (see end comment here: ).

I don't know what the numerical threshold of interest needs to be for wikipedia, but if thousands of people are under a misimpression, then I think is fair to give them the real story. My own view is that the difference between an average encyclopedia and an advanced one is that the latter wants to get into the details and fine points. I hope that you agree and can either let me restore the clarification or else write your own... Thanks for your time. --Griffinxyz (talk) 13:43, 28 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia mainly goes by reliable sources. If there are insufficient reliable sources for a separate article on Elian script, then it would seem to follow that there are insufficient reliable sources to document the relationship between Elian script and Pigpen cipher.  Also, by citing page-view counts, you're entering into the realm of pop-culture prominence, and can expect to be judged accordingly.  Some wouldn't find a five-digit page-view count to be too impressive, since that's about a hundred-thousandth of Gangnam Style's page views.
 * By the way, having a pure "art script" (without practical purpose) which includes all and only letters corresponding to the 26 letters of the modern Latin alphabet is slightly boring. Tolkien's Tengwar goes way beyond that, and even the Star Wars "Aurebesh" has letters for Latin digraphs... AnonMoos (talk) 17:56, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

A detail that matters since you reference it: the article on Elian script was removed due to a time lapse. It can still be revived and, if so, can easily include reliable sources, such as a 12-page article on it in the quarterly Letter Arts Review, (look for LR18-1. Letter Arts Review: Vol.18, No.1 Letter Arts Review Volume 18 No. 1) However, to address what you wrote: finding a topic "slightly boring" is not the ideal (possibly not even, the accepted) standard for making editorial decisions in Wikipedia. Maybe, instead, an editor who likes a subject is the one who can better realize which details matter to those others who like it. Otherwise, when someone is bored by a subject then already the broad strokes are uninteresting, and the details don't even exist, much less have a chance to be evaluated.

Also: considering a five-digit page-view on a YouTube teaching tutorial as negligible when compared to a music video is comparing the proverbial apples to oranges. As you know, there are many limited-audience subjects in Wikipedia. My own view is that the more detailed and comprehensive the content, the better the encyclopedia.--Griffinxyz (talk) 16:07, 5 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia articles are not "removed due to a time lapse". Rather your article proposal was rejected, and the proposal page then deleted due to an extended period of inactivity.  Unfortunately, the basic answer remains the same -- Elian script is only very tangentially relevant at best to Pigpen cipher, your additions to that article are not useful in the form which you added them, and some people might think that you're trying to sneak in a mention to a topic which was previously deemed non-notable for Wikipedia purposes.  I would really advise you to focus your Wikipedia efforts on coming up with a separate article on "Elian script" which is acceptable by Wikipedia standards.  See WP:NOT for limitations on Wikipedia comprehensiveness... AnonMoos (talk) 08:49, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

I understand what you are saying, and the suggestion to continue the Elian script article is a good one. Thanks for mentioning it; I had let the idea drop once the YouTube tutorial came up, and yet, other people who know the script have expressed surprise that there isn't an article on it already.

The idea that someone would "sneak in" a devious submission strikes me as really amusing (in this case) and perhaps a bit desperate (when applied to something beyond the arts.) You can be sure that I had no such motivation behind my wish to edit the Pigpen Cipher--I simply wanted to clear up the "source" relationship between it and E.S. For those who follow Elian, that this incorrect attribution often arises is evident. However, so be it for now. Best wishes to you. --Griffinxyz (talk) 17:57, 10 November 2014 (UTC)