User talk:Grika/Archive/Archive 04

Minneapolis meetup photos
Hi, Grika. Barely had a chance to meet you, maybe next time. Hope you are well. If you have photos of the meetup at Pracna on Main could you kindly send them to me by email or upload them? Did you take any or hand off your camera? Sorry to be so late but I distinctly remember smiling at a dark haired man in a black shirt, but I didn't think he was you. Maybe sitting to your left. Boy, I can still see him! Nobody else even remembers except now I remember because someone on the meetup talk page thought you had a camera. My web site has an email address on the home page (linked from my User page here). Thanks a bunch. -Susanlesch (talk) 20:46, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

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AfD nomination of Adas Israel Congregation
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 * This article has now been greatly improved and renamed as Adas Israel Congregation (Duluth). Thank you, IZAK (talk) 10:49, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Adath Jeshurun Congregation
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 * This article has now been greatly improved and renamed as Adath Jeshurun Congregation (Minnetonka). Thank you, IZAK (talk) 10:50, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of B'nai Emet Synagogue
A tag has been placed on B'nai Emet Synagogue requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a very short article providing little or no context to the reader. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

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Speedy deletion of B'nai Emet Synagogue
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Speedy deletion of Bet Shalom Congregation
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 * Too bad action wasn't taken in time to save this stub to make it into a decent article. IZAK (talk) 10:51, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Requesting your attention
Hi Grika: As you can tell, your above contributions of stub articles for synagogues in Minnesota (all of which were initially created by you mostly in early 2007) that have come under fire with some editors wishing to delete many of them. This matter has come to my attention and I have managed to save two of the articles by researching the topics and adding citations, see Adas Israel Congregation (Duluth) and Adath Jeshurun Congregation (Minnetonka). As a result of this situation, there have been serious discussions about many aspects and rationales for creating and/or deleting stub-size articles about synagogues, see the presently ongoing votes at Articles for deletion/Adas Israel Congregation and Articles for deletion/Adath Jeshurun Congregation, as well as more background discussions about this matter at User talk:IZAK and at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism. In light of the foregoing, may I respectfully request that you should:


 * 1) Please respond and participate in the above discussions, especially the very important votes at Articles for deletion/Adas Israel Congregation and Articles for deletion/Adath Jeshurun Congregation because after all you were the one who created these stubs in the first place and after repeated requests you have not bothered to defend your creations and express your views, something that is very odd. By participating you would also learn of the consequences of your actions as well as have a chance to explain that the Jewish synagogues are indeed notable, something that has fallen to me to do when it should have been your job in the first place!
 * 2) Please refrain from creating multiple stub articles on any topic unless you are willing to expand them within a reasonable amount of time or will be calling on other editors to help you, such as asking for assistance at WikiProject Judaism for articles that pertain to any aspects of Jews and Judaism to show that you are looking for and working to obtain fuller information and reliable sources for stubs that you create, and not leave the job for later editors to do all the heavy lifting and take up the defense of your creations. I am told that Wikipedia is tightening up its rules for stubs altogether.
 * 3) Please take a look at the List of synagogues in Minnesota that you created and as soon as possible start on researching and improving the stubs that you have created and that have become the focal point of much controversy at the present time. In particular, some that have been tagged since September of 2007: Adath Israel Orthodox, Beth El Synagogue, B'nai Emet Synagogue, Kenesseth Israel Congregation, Mount Zion Temple, Shir Tikvah Congregation.
 * 4) Please add the name/s of the closest significant geographic and/or legal boundary when creating articles for congregations with Hebrew names, because, as you note in Temple Israel "Numerous Jewish synagogues around the United States are named...[(Congregation H_e_b_r_e_w N_a_m_e")]. You did this with one or two of them, but this needs to be done more carefully to make each article is very specific since Jews have traditionally chosen certain common repetative names for many synagogues. Thus I renamed (and redirected) Adas Israel Congregation to Adas Israel Congregation (Duluth) and Adath Jeshurun Congregation to Adath Jeshurun Congregation (Minnetonka).
 * 5) Please explain why you added Messianic and Hebrew Christian congregations to the list of Minnesota synagogues which is both highly controversial and disputed and only creates confusion in the minds of readers because from the point of view of Judaism anything to do with Messianic Judaism is connected to Christianity only. For such congregations you should instead have listed them separately in List of Messianic and Hebrew Christian congregations in Minnesota as in List of Messianic and Hebrew Christian congregations and Category:Messianic and Hebrew Christian congregations.

Thank you for attending to the above points and I look forward to your response as soon as possible. Thank you very much. IZAK (talk) 09:26, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Minneapolis meetup photos
Hi, checking back, I wondered if my note was swamped by synagogues and pardon this note if that is not the case. It is up several topics now, right under the meetup invitation. Can you let me know on my talk page please? Thanks very much, Grika, and again, hope to meet you next time. -Susanlesch (talk) 01:45, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, great, you have them. I'll look for them in my email (wikipedia@textet.com or anything in that domain will get here). -Susanlesch (talk) 18:09, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Upper Midwest Merkos - Lubavitch House
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Beth El Synagogue
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AfD nomination of Beth El Synagogue
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Thank you...
GO-PCHS-NJROTC (talk) 00:34, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of B'nai Emet Synagogue
I have nominated B'nai Emet Synagogue, an article you created, for deletion. I do not feel that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Articles for deletion/B'nai Emet Synagogue. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. Bstone (talk) 15:59, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Third request for meetup photos
Hello, Grika. My name is Susan. Last September I sent care of this page an invitation to a 2007 Wikipedia meetup. I was happy to see you attended and sorry not to have a chance to talk with you even for a minute like many of the others. As it turns out it was likely you who took my photograph at least once maybe more than once. Would you kindly try to locate your photos and send them to me by email? My email address is here on your talk page (please no replies on my talk page). Thank you and best wishes. -Susanlesch (talk) 00:43, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Images
If you upload any more images in the future, please can you do so at Commons? I have moved Image:Wildebeest (White Bearded).jpg to Commons. If you would like to move some there yourself, see here. Thanks. Richard001 (talk) 07:32, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Minneapolis Meetups
Town Hall Brewery maps.google.com 1430 Washington Ave S Minneapolis, MN 55454 (612) 339-8696 October 11, 2008 Saturday at 12:00 noon (midday) Meetup RSVP

Muddy Waters maps.google.com 2401 Lyndale Ave S Minneapolis, MN 55405 (612) 872-2232 October 10, 2008 Friday at 10:00 PM (at night) Alternate meetup RSVP

Just updating the calendar. See you Saturday with luck. Feel free to pass along these invitations. -SusanLesch (talk) 17:58, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Trebek effect
Oh, come on, admit you made up the term. I don't recall you even pointing to one reliable source using the term during its AfD. Robert K S (talk) 22:57, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Automated welcome message
Hi Grika I noticed that you removed the automated welcome messages when you nominated an attack page. I was monitoring the notifications since I added the welcome message to the Huggle notices today, too, following the discussion at WT:CSD. We thought briefly about not adding the welcome messages to, without a clear outcome, so I activated them for all CSDs. I feel a bit weird about forcing Twinkle-Taggers to automatically welcome users no matter the page they created, or to force you to manually remove the welcome again if you feel it isn't warranted, so I wanted to ask if you think that the welcome message should be removed from, or if you think that a Twinkle user should be able to disable welcome messages for certain criteria himself? I hadn't seen the page in question, so I don't know if it was that bad an attack that all good faith was lost. Also, you are the first editor I noticed to react on the templates, so I'd welcome some feedback. :) Thanks & Cheers, Amalthea Talk 18:27, 2 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Normally I don't mind the automatic Welcome but in this case, the username was obviously created just to vandalize and I wasn't interested in welcoming him or her in any way, other than a warning of course. ;-)


 * I think a checkbox (defaults to off/clear but remembers the last selection) that allows for the automatic Welcome would be best, but at minimum, have a check box (defaults to off/clear) for Do not add Welcome statement. This would allow for a discretionary Welcome message regardless of the notice type. Grika Ⓣ 18:42, 2 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Sounds good, thanks. Though I'm not sure about the checkbox remembering its state, the original thought was to be less BITEy with those speedy deletion notifications in the good-faith or borderline cases. I'd worry that too many editors would turn the message of permantently without thinking about it too much. I'll keep looking at what others do, but adding the checkbox to Twinkle wouldn't be hard. Thanks, and Cheers, Amalthea Talk 19:47, 2 December 2008 (UTC)


 * My pleasure and it is also my great pleasure to use Twinkle, so thank you! Any thoughts on my suggestion to have the article marked as "patrolled" during the CSD process? Grika Ⓣ 20:07, 2 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, I can't take the slightest credit for creating or maintaining Twinkle, but I'll be able to modify it in that regards. Concerning the marking-as-patrolled, Ioeth made that change today, see WT:TW. You'll probably have to clear your browser cache to get the current version. Cheers, Amalthea  20:15, 2 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Brilliant! Thank you and Ioeth. Grika Ⓣ 20:22, 2 December 2008 (UTC)