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Frusciante (2)
Yeah, there's one video of him explaining every single aspect and every little detail in "Dani California". There's so much more that went into it than meets the eye, such as overdubbing, synthesizers and mollotrons. The complexness is awe inspiring. Have you ever heard of the interview "An Afternoon with John Frusciante"? If not, then that's a great place for us to derive information from, as it's released around the time of Shadows, and goes pretty in depth. And then there are some haunting VPRO interviews from 1994 (one of six part series. You simply must watch these). NSR 77 T C  12:28, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * That sounds great. There's quite a lot of information relating to his influences (as he has many). NSR 77  T C  23:31, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Well his technique changes throughout the years (even from BTW to SA). Sources which pinpoint his ever-changing styles from year to year may be more difficult to find, but, nonetheless, I'm sure they're out there. NSR 77  T C  17:08, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey. Just looked at the new section, and it does look a little... weird, I suppose. I'll try to prose it a bit, perhaps tomorrow on Sunday, or maybe Monday if things get really busy. Sorry for not being able to help right now. Xihix 22:54, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem. But there's a better picture of him sitting in a classroom (at the age of 10-ish) playing an acoustic guitar. If you could find that one, I think it'd be even better. NSR 77  T C  15:49, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, I've begun prose-ifying the quotes. There's currently a little too many, but I'll trim them. NSR 77  T C  16:25, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Plus it is not possible to find a free replacement. NSR 77  T C  20:47, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Alright, I am pretty sure that I've converted all of the quotes into prose. There were quite a few, and I had to remove the majority of them, some being relevant only to his beliefs in music, rather than his music style. Otherwise, I think what we have now is good; you may wish to run through it to check for any imperfections, and then I think we're ready to start another peer review. NSR 77  T C  19:24, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * It's a nice picture that I think would enhance the article. Upload it whenever you wish. NSR 77  T C  20:57, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Wow. I did not know "Going Inside" had a video. I'm kind of shocked I have not seen it. NSR 77  T C  22:04, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll see what I can come up with. NSR 77  T C  02:15, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, now that I think of it, he mentioned this in the making of the "Can't Stop" video, when he was explaining the reason he used a Toronado (non-vintage guitar) for it. NSR 77  T C  02:17, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Exactly what we need, from his mouth. Starting at 1:39 here. NSR 77  T C  02:21, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I believe it is time for another peer review. NSR 77  T C  00:10, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

"Virtuosity" is used incorrectly in that context. I'm trying to change it (I really don't know what mean by the sentence, though) but you keep reverting it back. NSR 77 T C  17:35, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Great! Now we just sit back and wait for reviewers at the PR. NSR 77  T C  02:59, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * It depends on how much backlog there is at WP:PR, or just the day. We should receive some feedback by, at the very least, tomorrow. We ought to allow this review to stay posted for about two-three weeks (unless there is an overwhelmingly positive response, in which a week and a half should suffice), ask some copyeditor's to take a peek and then head to FAC. It's best to have everything done before, because we don't want threatening dilemmas popping up at the FAC. NSR 77  T C  03:08, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I pretty much mean Tony1. He's an outstanding writer who I really want to show the article to. I already put the article up at WP:ALM's Peer Review section, and I don't think the prose review area is any more active or helpful than the PR section. If you feel strongly about it, though, go ahead. However it's in great shape, especially compared to what it used to be. You've done a fantastic job with everything. Regards, NSR 77  T C  03:38, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, I'd like to put Blood Sugar on the Main Page, but it is required that free image be used, which pertains to the era. So far I've come up with nothing; if you could find something soon (I'd like the day to be September 24, which was the album's release date). Regards, NSR 77  T C  21:06, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I actually have no idea what information would be attributed to Yearbooks. Looking through mine, I can't seem to find any copyright information, so I don't know. I do, however, want to upload this image for use in the Drug addiction, etc. section of the article. Thoughts? NSR 77  T C  21:21, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * We can comment on his falsetto vocals on numerous Chili Peppers' songs without any sources, as well as how he uses a generally normal singing voice on his own records. I'll search for some now, though. NSR 77  T C  18:15, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Second paragraph documents his change from screeching and screaming vocals, to a more standard singing voice. NSR 77  T C  18:27, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm kind of wondering about the truthfulness in the last paragraph of the "Early Life" section. It states Frusciante knew and welcomed the idea of becoming a rock star. Though his later statements of how the Chili Peppers would be ruined if they "ever played the Forum, etc." contradict such. I'm trying to remember if it was the VPRO interviews (which we should really incorporate into the article) where he states he hates the idea and concept of a Rock Star; how Anthony has always fit the image of one. Even today, John isn't that open during concerts and rarely comes up the mic. Just wanted to express this with you. NSR 77 T C  22:17, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I assume we should follow the same rationale as this, as it's virtually the same concept. I've been searching the site to see what images would fit within the article, and where. Personally, I don't assume we need to contact the webmaster, as I doubt he is the copyright holder of many images, if any. I'm more concerned with the quality of the prose, rather than the images, but I agree in saying another one or two are welcome. I contacted someone who I'm extremely confident in to copyedit the article, on another note. We're not that far off from FAC! Regards, NSR 77  T C  02:57, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Nah, I'll just start compiling some information from the Stylus review and then insert it as a second paragraph to the "Techniques" section. If you could find some material/sources that explains his songwriting transitions (from Niandra Lades to Shadows, and so forth), that would be great. Regards, NSR 77  T C  03:51, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm working on a paragraph right now, and when I put it in, you see where you think it fits best and what needs to be added. Also, the more you can find the better! NSR 77  T C  04:03, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Alright, what I've just added is a rough outline for us to begin adding information on his vocal sequences (songwriting, harmonies, etc.). NSR 77  T C  04:13, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I put that in there as the basis. It's basically all we need to put in, as we've addressed his singing and, more or less, song production. Writing will shift with each record, and I remember him saying somewhere that Niandra and Smile were both pretty abstract in terms of meaning (though I have no idea where). Considering his work isn't as famous as the Chili Peppers', we may not find as much information on what all of the songs mean. NSR 77  T C  17:04, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm really sorry I can't help Grim-Gym... Everyday I want to, but I get caught up in school work, and then I feel really, really bad that you're expecting my help that I cannot give. I wish I could help... But I just don't know how to :( ... Xihix 00:49, 28 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you man. About the pictures, NSR77 is probably the best person to talk to about copyrighting stuff.  I model every fair use ratio or tagging or whatever from things he's uploaded.  However, since he is helping you, he probably did look at the picture and couldn't do much better, which is surprising.  I do know that a yearbook picture *could* stay with fair use ratios, but if NSR couldn't do it, I guess it's not possible.  As for my age, yes, I am 13.  Xihix 01:50, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm a bit disappointed by the lack of response at the Peer Review, though it may be due to the fact that school is starting. NSR 77 T C  04:02, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I have uploaded quite a few images, and thus gained some experience in the subject, but I wouldn't call it "skill". Haha. I'm far from an expert on the subject, either. Yeah, send me the image through email. Regards, NSR 77  T C  05:02, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * It's too late and I'm too lazy: nsxr7@yahoo.com NSR 77  T C  05:26, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm personally not a Mars Volta fan, but I know for a fact that he is credited in the album. The LA Weekly article we're using for the Music Style section does mention the album, so that may be a source. Otherwise, just use . Regards, NSR 77  T C  22:04, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry; I've been really busy lately. I'll upload it now. NSR 77  T C  19:45, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * It says "made acquaintance with Slovak" several sentences above. It sounded pretty repetitive. NSR 77  T C  23:48, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Haha, that's fine. NSR 77  T C  23:52, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd give it until tomorrow. If nothing more is added, then I'll archive it. We should wait until Monday-ish to go for an FAC, to allow for some direct-asking-copyediting. Tell me what you think, NSR 77  T C  00:28, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * What do you have in mind? NSR 77  T C  00:42, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not too sure what more there is to add, considering he doesn't talk too much about his specific songwriting. I assume we could extract something from his bios about specific albums. NSR 77  T C  00:49, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I've added a bit more information on his songwriting and other various topics. NSR 77  T C  21:25, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, yes I did mean Memento! I had no idea it was spelled that way! NSR 77  T C  23:42, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Don't worry about it. What exactly do you feel is missing? NSR 77 T C  01:10, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll get to work on some of the stuff you added. And the picture I changed to the right because I realized every other image was on the left; for a change of pace. NSR 77  T C  21:48, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Do you have the reference for the "radio" stuff? NSR 77  T C  22:03, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Alright, I've converted all of the quotes into prose. Now all that's left is to copyedit everything encompassing the Music Style and Technique sections, as they both received new information from the quotes. Exceptional work retrieving them. Regards, NSR 77  T C  22:25, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I think we're pretty well along. NSR 77  T C  04:25, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Personally I think prose review is just a waste of time, but alright. More will be accomplished if we just ask users directly.  NSR 77  T C  19:47, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I removed it. I think just saying he is heavily influenced by the stuff he listens to is fine. You wrote it quite nicely, in fact. NSR 77  T C  20:39, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, what are your plans following the FAC? What would you like to work on afterwards? NSR 77  T C  21:10, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Well I want to advance one or two more Chili Peppers' albums to GA; get them more comprehensive. Then I was thinking you and I would work on another biography (such as Anthony's or something), seeing as the other articles pertaining to the other band mates are in particularly bad shape. NSR 77 T C  21:37, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * FA is a far more difficult process. I don't mean FA for all of them, haha. GA (just to get them acceptable) is great. I also want to try and get some of Frusciante's albums a little more concise considering there is a lot to work with. NSR 77  T C  23:17, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I was also thinking of something along the lines of a "list" to work on, seeing as they break up the monotony of article writing. There's actually quite a lot I want to accomplish, now that I think of it. NSR 77  T C  23:41, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The Frusciante article, though, is something I'm already proud of. It is the most involved work I've done so far, and it has taken the most underlying time for me than any other project yet. You really did some amazing shit, I must say. NSR 77  T C  23:48, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Nothing free. Unless you want to delve into fair-use waters, there isn't anything left. NSR 77  T C  23:56, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I've started some work on the John Frusciante discography article. Tell me what you think. NSR 77  T C  20:25, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Well that's the product of maybe 15 minutes work, so it isn't that far along; just a quick brush up. High hopes for the Frusciante article. NSR 77  T C  10:39, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * We have not received much more feedback for the article, so I'm going to nominate it article soon. NSR 77  T C  21:00, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not worried about who nominates the article, I'm concerned with it passing. Let's not assume ownership, though. NSR 77  T C  18:54, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It's not really something I am interested in, but I will take a look if I can find some time. NSR 77  T C  12:53, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I was going to place the information about a few of his guitars after it ismentioned in the first paragraph of the Music Style section. I'm searching for some stuff now. NSR 77  T C  18:39, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Well the Gretsch is not Frusciante's signature guitar, which is evident by watching enough live material. He used it for "Californication" and "Otherside" only, and, currently, does not use it at all. The Strats are more significant. NSR 77  T C  19:55, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't recall him having the Falcon prior to rejoining the Chili Peppers (when all his "fire related" incidences occurred). And it is $30,000, which may account for the affection. He certainly uses the Strat or (during BTW) the Telecaster a considerable amount. NSR 77  T C  20:20, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * He doesn't record anything with the Telecaster, but I see him play it a lot. Much of Live in Hyde Park, one can hear, is composed of him playing the Telecaster. The FAC is going great, on another note! NSR 77  T C  20:34, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

The pleasure is mine. BSSM went across far smoother than Californication (which was a stressful experience). After one's first FAC, it becomes a tedious few days until the FA status has been obtained, really. NSR 77 T C  18:59, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I've begun some more work on the discography. It's, so far, fairly simple as many of Frusciante's albums didn't chart anywhere. The Chili Peppers section of albums, though, will be more of a challenge as they've made far more of an influence. NSR 77  T C  21:52, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I envy you. They haven't scheduled any New York dates as of yet, so I'm a bit bummed, but anticipating their arrival all at the same time. NSR 77  T C  20:43, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Great! I believe the article will be promoted. Also, take a look at Frusciante's discography, which I nominated for FLC. NSR 77  T C  02:28, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I wanted to touch on a few things, but I didn't want to delve into an unnecessary/overindulgent amount of information. I will try and see what can be added without overdoing it. NSR 77  T C  03:02, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot bud. NSR 77  T C  01:37, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I think now is a good time to ask: what you want to get done in the future? NSR 77  T C  21:02, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

I listened to One Hot Minute the other day and really got into the deep and depressed lyrics Anthony wrote about. Although it's really only an OK album as a whole with a few standouts here and there, and the guitar player is among my least favorite, I liked it more than Mother's Milk. I'll probably take a few days for OHM to reach GAC status and then Wesley asked me to help him with some reference formats on Noel Gallagher (although I loathe Oasis, I owe him the favor from Frusciante). That should help keep me busy until about early next week, when I've run out of new projects to think of working on. I really want to get Anthony or Flea's biography to GA acceptable (or at least B) status, but every time I look at them I just see this big mess of...crap. NSR 77 T C  19:31, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
 * What sort of ideas or interests do you have for other band members' biographies? And a "Guest appearances" section is unnecessary. It may be worthwhile to add his stuff album the Mars Volta, though I'm quite not sure. NSR 77  T C  21:31, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm sure the more the better. I myself am simply going to help clean up references and such; other than that I have no knowledge of him or Oasis. I'll add The Brown Bunny now and find some sort of appropriate place for it. On another note, Flea's page is probably in the worst of shape. Although tons of people love him because he's all over the place and energetic, my favorite band member is quite obviously John, followed by Anthony then Flea and Chad. I really had a great time working with you and I really want to do it again, so what do you think we should decide upon? NSR 77  T C  23:40, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Music is essentially my life. Although I'm in college not majoring in a music form (I would if it were a reputable and stable enough career). I major in Journalism with a minor in photography; I'm thinking I may just major solely in photography because that is where I am spending a lot of time recently. Though that is irrelevant, I wanted to share it, haha. On the other hand, I think Flea would be an interesting article to work on. I can tell you don't have too much interest in Anthony and simply relying on his account of things may be a bad thing (while I'm sure much of it is correct, some might be fabricated for embellishment; one can never trust an autobiography, regardless of the author). Eventually I want to get Mother's Milk and OHM to GA status as well. The band's pre-1989 material has never been too fascinating, save for a few tracks here and there. Lately I've been listening to more Frusciante than ever (especially Niandra Lades and Smile which I can't even begin to praise with words). Although, Chad is also quite a cool guy; his drumming is pretty unparalleled in my eyes. But Flea it is! NSR 77  T C  20:42, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I love "Around the World" haha! However cocky at times Anthony may be, he can be very spiritual and deep; especially about sex. I'm infatuated with John, but I love Anthony as well, though to a lesser extent. I go to Berkeley in California at the moment but grew up and live (when not at college) in New York. I'm deciding whether or not I want to stay here in California after graduation and further schooling, or move back to New York (city) area. NSR 77  T C  22:04, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * That would be sick. NSR 77  T C  18:50, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Awesome! Tell me what you think of the progress to OHM. NSR 77  T C  22:05, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Any feedback would be great. And it looks like the Frusciante article will be promoted during the next batch. NSR 77  T C  23:55, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Awesome! This has been a fantastic experience. NSR 77  T C  19:58, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

It is a complete transformation from before. You and I have done some damn good work. NSR 77 T C  22:49, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm ready whenever you are to start on Flea. NSR 77  T C  21:53, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It turns out what I had envisioned to be the easiest Candidacy ended up being the most difficult and...ough? NSR 77  T C  01:46, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * This is really beginning to upset me. I may take a break for a little while. NSR 77  T C  21:22, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It is mostly due to out of Wikipedia matters. I would never get this worked up over something on the internet. NSR 77  T C  23:06, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It's nothing major, don't worry. Just a bad day. Permeated into the Wikipedia atmosphere. Thanks for the concern! NSR 77  T C  23:40, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I hate mosh pits. They're so juvenile and immature. It makes the show worse for everyone. Eventually things like this happen. Have fun! NSR 77  T C  10:37, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The discography has finally been promoted! Also, the image deletion thing is rather pointless considering it is in fact talked about in the prose. NSR 77  T C  00:15, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I have absolutely no idea. I was hoping you had some direction. NSR 77  T C  04:32, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * We've got to get rid of that ridiculous equipment section, as well. Otherwise, that sounds like a good idea. NSR 77  T C  16:28, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm rather surprised by the deletion proposal, but whatever. Flea shouldn't be too hard to get to GA status as his life has not been as colorful as Frusciante's. NSR 77  T C  00:22, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think I've ever asked you: what is your favorite Chili Peppers album? Frusciante album? Any other standout albums? NSR 77  T C  00:22, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd have to agree with you on the Chili Peppers stuff, but I'm going through a One Hot Minute phase right now for some reason. By the Way is without a doubt my favorite album as a whole of the three, but each are inexplicable in their own right. As far as Frusciante's work, it's easily Niandra Lades and Smile. His older work was just so much more...free and unrestrained. Not as if his newer stuff isn't beautiful and amazing and something I listen to for hours on end, but I have a special thing for his first two albums. I'd say I have over 400 Chili Peppers' songs, some of them b-sides, some of them live tracks, etc. I have so many of their singles it's crazy. If you ever get a chance, listen to the b-sides (all found on Youtube) "Rivers of Avalon", "Body of Water", "Eskimo", "Bunker Hill" and "Quixoticelixir". Stadium Arcadium was a complete let-down for me. It was just disappointing, and I think Frusciante produces far better stuff when he's in the "less is more" train of thought. Smashing Pumpkins' wise, my favorite album is, surprisingly, Gish. Their new album was also, shockingly, quite bad. Aside from two songs, "Doomsday Clock" and "Tarantula", I actually hated it. In terms of other stuff, I really love Dinosaur Jr's album, especially Bug, a lot of Sebadoh stuff and tons of Fugazi. I went through a long period of time (freshman and sophomore year of High School) being totally into hardcore punk. Now I barely go near it; my tastes changed. There's also some techno stuff I like, such as Stereolab, which is a great band. Indie music isn't, but I can get particular in terms of what Indie is good and what is really bad. NSR 77  T C  20:12, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * That's ridiculous. Did they not notice two votes to keep? Well, it's whatever I guess. NSR 77  T C  19:55, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Me either. I think it's because I'm just not as involved in him as I am with Frusciante (it is almost a scary obsession). Right now I'm (obviously) working on the RHCP discography. Any and all help is awesome. NSR 77  T C  01:52, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * A lot of major players have been participating in discography editing recently. And I agree, it is relatively easy. However, when I gathered all of the Singles information and chart formatting that took a good collective 4 hours, spread out through a period of 8. I had to go out and take a drive and see my girlfriend to relieve some stress, though. :) After this, though, I want to do some good article writing (maybe I'll be more interested in Flea, then, but now I'm kind of indifferent). What's up with you? NSR 77  T C  02:03, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I think it is because I was really hoping it would be another Siamese or Melon Collie. I went in with very high expectations (as I was not into the Pumpkins while they were still around, prior to 2000). A while ago I used to listen to nothing but the Chili Peppers for about a year, but then I just discovered more stuff and it all blended together. Song wise, my favorite is "Can't Stop". It always was (well ever since By the Way), and always probably will be. Otherwise, "Minor Thing", "Otherside", "Around the World", "This Is the Place", "Don't Forget Me" are all impeccable. But yeah, it really is all about consistency for the Chili Peppers. Even though they're probably an international whatever, people know them for so many songs rather than just one. NSR 77  T C  10:44, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey, could you take a look at the RHCP discography? Just want to see how it comes across because I believe everything is done. NSR 77  T C  14:56, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Hahaha. :) NSR 77  T C  17:33, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I was a bit disappointed I had to archive the massive conversation, actually. But my talk page was getting too big and too hard to keep track of new messages; I realized I was missing a few of them! NSR 77  T C  19:04, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey! What have you been up to lately? NSR 77  T C  20:31, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * GAC is currently a piece of rotten shit. I wish I could say better of it, but...I can't. :) OHM still hasn't been reviewed. But, on the Niandra Lades note, I would be thrilled to work on it. Right now I am going through a crazy Nirvana phase and have not been listening to much else, but that is probably my favorite album ever composed (next to By the Way, of course). I don't know why Tool is in my music interests section of my userpage, to tell you the truth. I think I liked them for a day and, since they're at the bottom, I never remember to removed it. I agree; article is not up to snuff. NSR 77  T C  22:28, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm just never one for fighting. Best place to start is the background section. NSR 77  T C  10:43, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Your opposition is exactly (and I mean exactly) what I wanted to say in the beginning but it seemed rather pointless. Plus I'm lazy. NSR 77  T C  19:15, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Of course! Now you know how I felt in the JFD FLC. I wanted to go nuts but eventually I chilled out and whatnot. Also, this is why I didn't want to bring up my original opinions because what's happening now was what I feared. I promise, you'll get over it in a few days. Also, could you please review the Powderfinger album at FAC? It's in unsatisfactory shape; I'm too lazy to start a list myself. Also, the Weezer album that's up at FAC is horrible. I may actually intervene because it's that bad. On the Niandra Lades note, we should start on it after I get through with OHM, which CloudNine graciously accepted to review. My intentions are for, one day in the future, every RHCP album after (and not including) Uplift to be featured. It is a daunting task, but I am hoping it can be reachable. The only two albums that I'm less than thrilled to work on are Stadium and Mothers Milk, simply because they never interested me a whole lot (moreso Mothers Milk; Stadium was actually some high quality shit, just not my favorite from the Peppers). Niandra Lades, though, is my #1 priority at the moment. NSR 77  T C  00:22, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

One is Dream Days at the Hotel Existence and the other is Pinkerton. Don't worry about reviewing them now. Just take it slow; I suggest stating you are opposing regardless, and unless the format is changed you will remain in this state. I also suggest you just drop the entire thing until what you want is done, simply because it'll suck you into a hole you don't want to be sucked into. If you continue to say the same thing over and over and over again it'll just piss you off more. You've said it once, you don't need to say it again. They must respect your decision. NSR 77 T C  00:38, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Haha, never mind. I just noticed it already wasn't promoted. :) NSR 77  T C  00:51, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Tell me about it. Chili Peppers discography, Nirvana discography, Frusciante's discography, etc; every discography prior to this past week have been awesome. They all keep it simple, yet strikingly comprehensive and informative. Fluff is nice, but too much of it is ineffective. NSR 77  T C  01:14, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Haha, "removed vandalism". We've got to start on Niandra this week(end). I've got a roll of film to take for a magazine so I can make some money, but that should take only a few days. NSR 77  T C  21:08, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks. What ideas do you have for the article? NSR 77  T C  21:59, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree. The article itself won't be all that long. A tiny critical reception section, as well. But still, I adore the album and am thrilled to finally work on it. NSR 77  T C  00:57, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I've started some work on Niandra Lades. See where we can go from there. NSR 77  T C
 * Hey, could you review One Hot Minute? I'm hoping to bring it to FAC sometime soon. NSR 77  T C  22:55, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
 * That, or something along the lines of what you'd do at an FAC. But whatever works for you! Where've you been these past days? NSR 77  T C  13:24, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't let something as irrelevant as that fuck with you. Take it easy, though. NSR 77  T C  17:42, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey, when did you think you would start editing again? NSR 77  T C  21:55, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah the Tool stuff looks fine; if it's apparent that the article is under par and will not pass with any amount of minor fixes in the FAC then it should be failed. Take your time on things, though. I don't want you to leave Wikipedia altogether. :) NSR 77  T C  23:46, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually I lied. Badly. My favorite Pumpkins album is without a doubt Siamese Dream. And my favorite song from them is "Mayonaise". NSR 77  T C  22:19, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

"Mayonaise" is just so fucking beautiful. The lyrics are just so sad and reflective. Plus the melody is amazing. "Soma" is great, too, but I prefer "Silverfuck" if we're talking of the Pumpkins' longer songs. NSR 77 T C  19:37, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey, when do you think I should put OHM up for FAC? NSR 77  T C  20:53, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Nah, I don't mind when you finish. I haven't had much time for Wikipedia in the past few weeks. How have you been, though? NSR 77  T C  22:14, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I love "Glass' Theme" and Iha's "Go" on Machina II. Both of them are awesome. When it comes to the band's later works (after Adore) I love their spacey work (i.e. "I Of the Mourning", "The Sacred and Profane", and "Try, Try, Try", among others). NSR 77  T C  20:25, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I think one of the performances mentioned is that picture. I'll have to check and make sure which one, though. Thanks, man! (Blowin' the dust of my guitars) NSR 77  T C  23:23, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Hey, man. One Hot Minute is up at FAC here. It'll probably be my last one for a little while. NSR 77 T C  18:40, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey. I worked on Niandra Lades a bit more and I think it is pretty much done. Add anything you think it needs, give it a copyedit and then drop me a line. I'll put it up at GAC when you do. NSR 77  T C  00:12, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I didn't realize it was FA-possible. I feel like there's something...missing. I just don't know what. Any ideas? NSR 77  T C  00:59, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Great copyedit, by the way. Where have you been these days? NSR 77  T C  01:04, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I feel pretty inspired these days to work, for some reason. I want to start some work on Flea, but whenever I look at the article I simply lose willingness. It would need a complete rewrite; nothing would be able to stay. The only way I envision working on it is with your help. I can't even begin to start. I would also need to look for sources and become acquainted with them as I did with Frusciante. Unfortunately, there are probably less interviews with Flea talking about himself those of him talking about the Chili Peppers out there. NSR 77  T C  01:17, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It is just this huge mess. I know we could fix it with some hard work, though. So did you hear about the Chili Peppers and their recent lawsuit? Haha. I could really imaging Frusciante giving three fucks, actually. Smith hates when people associate music with products for money (I have an article somewhere in which he lashes out at U2 and some other band for putting their music on commercials; saying something to the effect of "shameful").  NSR 77  T C  01:36, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Warners must've had a field day when they saw this show title. They're probably hoping the lawsuit brings publicity, especially to the album. Possibly to the show, as well? Who knows. NSR 77  T C  01:41, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree. A picture of his harrowing drug days would surely evoke emphatic reactions abound. :) One thing I love about Frusciante is his downright insanity. But, anyway, I'll look for a picture and run it by you to see what we both like. It'll have to connect with the article somehow; oh well. NSR 77  T C  21:54, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * What do you think of some of the stuff on this page? NSR 77  T C  23:24, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * The picture looks like he's in the VPRO interview; his clothing is similar as is the lighting. Unfortunately, it's almost too small. Maybe I'll resize it, and considering it would be low quality there is no copyright infringement. I'm loving a fucking hilarious thing he says during that interview here at 5:57. :) NSR 77  T C  20:12, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Haha, well I don't know if I've ever told you this but I dislike digital photography and avoid it as much as possible, so I don't know if I'm really an "expert" on the computer. :) Plus I would have to go to my friend's photo lab to use Photoshop. Maybe with some tweaking it could do. I plan on adding a small bit that states Frusciante started playing the songs during the Californication tour ("Your Pussy's Glued", "Untitled #11, #7" and a few others. "Untitled #3" was actually put on the Off the Map so maybe a screenshot of him performing it would be a perfect fit? What do you think? NSR 77  T C  00:26, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * How does this look? NSR 77  T C  00:42, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Along with the photo, I added a bit of information on the VPRO interview and what Frusciante confesses in it ("Reception and Aftermath" section). Take a look and tell me if you like it. NSR 77  T C  01:16, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey, I want to start some work on Flea. Would you be able to search for some information on his early life? Maybe we could get this started before the end of the year, huh? Haha. NSR 77  T C  20:13, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Well if you say it with a Jewish accept (pardons if you are Jewish) then it sounds like 'year'. Haha. I'd also like to work on Smile. It'd probably be even smaller then Niandra Lades, or larger. Could go either way. NSR 77  T C  22:36, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Just a note: this post alone is 64 KB. NSR 77  T C  22:47, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I think one genre is fine. The article talks about which songs have funk-influences and which ones don't. Otherwise, Niandra Lades was passed! NSR 77  T C  16:17, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it was a pretty landmark album altogether. But it moved towards Alternative, in my opinion. I don't really think the Chili Peppers ever knew what the fuck they were because they amalgamated so many genres, haha. I added that reference from memory...could've sworn he mentioned it in that one. If not then it's one of the other 60. Haha. NSR 77  T C  16:56, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Nah, all I remember is Frusciante talking about how all the songs were randomly named and he didn't know what the hell he was doing (tripping out on drugs) so he didn't name Usually Just a T-Shirt. NSR 77  T C  22:45, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm not all that crazy about the table thing on the other three (I didn't create it). Not sure if the single needs to be stated, anyway. I'm a little busy these days so hopefully we can start work on Flea by the end of the year, haha. NSR 77 T C  23:02, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * You know what song rocks hard? "X.Y.U." Rocks like a mo'fucker. NSR 77  T C  00:59, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Haha—Yeah. Mary's got some deep shit. Grim 01:04, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh don't tell me you now reply on your talk page. :( I hate that. Anyway, I've started a discussion on how Flea's equipment section should be removed (on the talk page). Drop your opinion in and let's hope no one drags it out into some long, grueling battle. Haha. NSR 77  T C  03:38, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Haha, I don't like when people reply on their own talk page because I never keep track of it and without the little orange bar popping out of nowhere I'd quickly forget. Billy does this awesome thing with his guitar when the used to play "X.Y.U." where he keeps messing with the tuning pegs to sound like a car changing gears. It's ridiculous. NSR 77  T C  03:44, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree. Plus broken discussions are the shit. Yeah, let's give it some time for those possible oppose-ers to...oppose. On another note, I recently took another listen at Zeitgeist and noticed "Neverlost" and "Bring the Light" aren't half bad. Not great--really catchy in fact. But "XYU", "Zero", "Here Is Know Why" and "To Forgive" are probably the best songs off of Mellon Collie. The entire album is fantastic but those speak to me the most. MACHINA has also been really fascinating lately, especially the songs from "I Of the Mourning" through "The Imploding Voice". Been 'goin through a Pumpkins phase at the moment. NSR 77  T C  04:00, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I've been going through one since early November. Haven't been listening to much else, to tell you the truth. And I recently heard Mashed Potatoes, funnily enough. Oh, dude, I spotted an "Estrus" 7" on Ebay and bought it. And may I say it rocks to fucking hell. Though, I'd never dare play it. Haha. Unrelated (completely): What's your favorite Pumpkins song? NSR 77  T C  04:08, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thankfully I've been working my ass off submitting photos to various magazines so my wallet is full. It cost me 300 and change. But it was worth it. I have some clear plastic 7" vinyl sealable slips for some others (clear pink "Zephyr Song" 7" single, etc.) so I put it into there and never plan on taking it out. Haha I feel like some nerd with their thousand dollar 60s GI Joe figurine and UV film across my windows to reduce fading (minus the UV paper and thousand dollar memorabilia, of course). I also picked up this rad Pumpkins purple t-shirt from 94 so I walk around in it with some plaid long sleeve shirt on wishing it were 1992 again. NSR 77  T C  04:19, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * How would you like to go about doing Flea? NSR 77  T C  16:55, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Hahaha. Well I have Scar Tissue and Fornication: The Red Hot Chili Peppers Story (which is a bit more neutral and far less Kiedis-heavy). I have to see what's what, but once the sources have been identified and what not we can go ahead writing this thing. How did you gather sources for Frusciante? NSR 77  T C  00:50, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Really? I just use my local library for books I don't feel like buying but want to read or use for a source (Tales of a Scorched Earth). I hope you didn't read the entire book on PDF file....haha. Also, some food for thought: why do they have those damn security sticker things enclosing CDs when someone could just go online and press a few buttons if they wanted to steal music. I mean really. NSR 77  T C  01:09, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * My friend owns this record store and whenever I need a CD (I hate stealing music because I think an artist deserves the money, especially when they're independent, and digital downloads blow) I get them for free from him. The blasted things all have the security tape/sticker that I despise. Haha, yeah, CD theft is probably unheard of these days. I went into a Boarders Books the other day and the CD and DVD section is separate from the book section, and for some reason there is this towering security guard standing at the front. You aren't even allowed to take them out of that section. I'll never be able to figure that out. NSR 77  T C  01:19, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I like the addition the way it is now if it's any correlation. NSR 77  T C  00:55, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm very surprised a troll and an edit war like this has erupted after the article reached FA. Oh well. How are you holding up? NSR 77  T C  21:51, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Personally, I love confrontation. It's in my nature for some reason (apparently we're alike in that manner, haha). What do you make of the situation? NSR 77  T C  22:28, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I really don't think that type of confrontation is helpful to anyone and it really puts me into a bad mood (don't know why). I'm now getting a message saying this conversation alone is 73KB and that I should tell the sorry guy who's talk page this is to archive it. :) NSR 77  T C  22:39, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Nah, its all good. I'm hoping to start Flea this weekend. Do you have some free time? NSR 77  T C  21:49, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Seems OK now, no? If it continues, just consult an administrator. I'm tired of his juvenile behavior. NSR 77  T C  01:25, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't know. Do you think it is really that plausible to go to FAC with such a small article? NSR 77  T C  20:32, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I plant to do some major work on Flea this weekend. I really want to get it promoted to FA (I think Flea'll be a lot easier to write about than John, who was all over the place for a while). I know we can get the article up to Featured status. After that I want to take a crack at Anthony and get it to at least GA status since there's so much information about him everywhere (especially Scar Tissue, Fornication: The Red Hot Chili Peppers Story, etc). Ideas? NSR 77  T C  04:13, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure. I realized that the only reason Frusciante was so difficult was because we had never done it before. But with Flea, we now have more experience. : ) NSR 77  T C  16:09, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey, man, I'm adding most of the early information right now (its an ongoing process). I'm really sick so my weekend just opened up entirely. Whenever you want, copyedit the additions. I'll be here. NSR 77  T C  19:53, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * It's really weird; I never knew Flea lived in Rye (city), New York for a while. That's really close to where I grew up. NSR 77  T C  20:00, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Alright, I've written basically everything up to the release of Mother's Milk. I may do a little more work but I'm mostly done for today (and damn worn out, haha). Feel free to copyedit as you see fit. NSR 77  T C  23:43, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * There's some more basic info added now. I'll wait for your copyedit to finish. NSR 77  T C  19:07, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The way I've done it is by referring to him as Balzary up until the article mentions he adopts the nickname Flea. From there, he's mentioned by his nickname. NSR 77  T C  20:00, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Nice work with the lead. I wasn't expecting us to write that until after the bulk of the Biography was complete. NSR 77 T C  20:02, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * His stepfather isn't really elaborated on a great deal. His nickname was given to him by Kiedis while they were on a ski trip. NSR 77  T C  22:18, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Every online bio I've read about Flea doesn't even mention his stepfather. Fornication goes a bit in depth about him, but nothing further than he was a jazz musician and bassist who was a significant musical influence on Flea. NSR 77  T C  23:13, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * From the Apter book. It talks about how he was alcoholic and got into shootouts with police, and then moved along. NSR 77  T C  23:38, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not really sure what else you want to put in there... NSR 77 T C  23:41, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The biography is done in terms of writing. I inadvertently sacrificed a more "elaborative" quality on the last section, but I'm sure you can fix it up. NSR 77  T C  20:06, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * After you're done copyediting the article we can post it at GAN. When it passes we can take some time to write a "Music styles" section, which will probably take a while longer than the biography. Hopefully that'll be followed by FAC! NSR 77  T C  21:42, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * What do you mean lower case "L"? NSR 77  T C  00:48, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Personally I think we should just use lower case "t" throughout, because here's a little insight: in Fornication (I didn't put this into Flea's article because it's irrelevant to him) Apter says the Chili Peppers originally told EMI the name of their first album was True Men Don't Kill Coyotes, but they rejected that and called it (without authorization from the band) The Red Hot Chili Peppers. This may or may not sway you. Furthermore, since we're calling Flea by his nickname throughout, we should use lower case "t" because they've gone by that for most of their career. Maybe they didn't even intend for it to be " 'The' Red Hot Chili Peppers" in the first place. Who knows? NSR 77 T C  00:55, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I've been mad busy these past few days since I'm back in NY for vacation. You've done great copyediting work. NSR 77  T C  20:47, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Think we can take it to GAC soon after? NSR 77  T C  23:08, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Well Kiedis was far more of an "actor" than Flea. I don't really see it as being integral; we can find out which movies he has been in and then add it to the prose. An entire section is pretty unnecessary, don't you think? NSR 77  T C  20:15, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah. Personally I think they had the right idea sticking to music, haha. Check out IMDB for a full list of films Flea has appeared in. He states somewhere that his minor role in Back to the Future was a mistake and it is a multi-million dollar piece of trash. Think it was another VPRO interview (god, without them we'd have nothing). Lately I've been thinking about stepping outside of our comfort zones and working on "Under the Bridge". I haven't worked on a song article yet, so I think it'd be fun. NSR 77  T C  06:53, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Not sure. I never wrote "Dani California". I just nominated it to GAC and improved it substantially according to several reviewers. "Under the Bridge" is really one of the quintessential 90's songs and it has a lot of legacy that can be written. Niandra Lades could probably be FAC-ed soon, I guess. NSR 77  T C  07:20, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
 * It'd be impossible. The thread is only at 84 right now and there's only a week left in the year. Oh, by the way, I do eventually plan to start on Stadium Arcadium and Mother's Milk sometime in the near future. Not sure when though. Probably after Flea is done and over with. NSR 77  T C  07:29, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Flea and Clara. NSR 77  T C  01:13, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Could you look for another picture somewhere (free would be awesome)? I think the article needs just one more. NSR 77 T C  14:37, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, maybe. I really dislike Flea's current infobox picture. Doesn't particularly look like him. But on the other hand, I think the article itself is ready for GAC really soon. What do you think? NSR 77  T C  19:58, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Not sure. There isn't much that happened after Frusciante's return in terms of Flea. I guess we could look around. What do you think is missing? Merry Christmas, by the way. NSR 77  T C  05:40, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Haha, well I was never religious. It's Christmas for me by default. :) NSR 77  T C  16:46, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
 * You know what bother's me? Gwen Stefani. I'm not going to lie, but I've always really liked her. I recently saw some HP commercial with her in it and I wanted to buy the computer just because she's associated with it. Her music, for some really crazy reason, draws me in. Ahaha. Its mad weird. NSR 77  T C  19:31, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't like her enough to listen to her music more than once in a blue moon, though. I think it's more of her appearance. She's just "cool". :P So tell me, what do you think we should do with Flea? We can go to GAC and then figure everything out afterwards considering GA guidelines don't mention comprehensiveness. I guess we'll write a 'Music Styles' section after, as well. NSR 77 T C  03:06, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Word, bro, word. NSR 77  T C  03:32, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Sure thing. NSR 77  T C  21:19, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Dude, you really need a userpage. NSR 77  T C  21:22, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

List of what we need to add to Flea: I guess we can start after GAC. Input? NSR 77 T C  04:46, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Various movie roles
 * Misc. events, like arrest with Chad
 * Music Style section that includes Technique and Influences
 * Comprehensiveness isn't a GA guideline so I don't see any reason to at this very moment. The Frusciante article didn't have a Music Style section, either, so... Yeah, I really want to start soon. Although the movie roles he's been in isn't major it should be included soon. Tomorrow sound good? NSR 77  T C  05:07, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't think it's that necessary. There's way too many instruments that he plays (bass, drums, etc., etc.) so I'm not sure if we can list them all. Go for it if you really want, though. NSR 77  T C  03:13, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I think he played them on one of his songs. NSR 77  T C  05:27, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it is in the Apter book but I like branching out and using other sources whenever I can. I'll change it now. NSR 77  T C  19:12, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually there is a nice few pages about the album and whatnot. Most of it we've covered but there may be a few things we can use. NSR 77  T C  21:14, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I dunno. Think it can actually go to FAC? NSR 77  T C  00:05, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! I'm in NY for break and we still have about 5 hours until midnight. I'm going to a party in a few hours to get "dazed and confused" ;). What time zone do you live in? NSR 77  T C  00:19, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Darkest! It was supposed to be darkest! Stupid Microsoft Word didn't even pick it up! NSR 77 T C  16:26, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Thought you might find this funny...
Look at this, haha. Wonder if they'll win... xihix (talk) 02:15, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

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National variety of English
You recently made an edit to the article Interpol (band), changing the spelling of a word in the disambiguation header from "organisation" to "organization". I have no opinion on this particular edit, but I would like to have some clarity on this issue, for future cases. I have therefore raised this issue at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style‎. A ecis Brievenbus 01:36, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Talking Heads
Talking Heads are in many ways the definitive New Wave band. The story goes that the term New Wave was even created to help promote them (since the music industry was adverse to accepting anything "punk") They're not alt-rock, and there's far more influential bands from the New wave/post-punk era on the creation of alt-rock (a few to check out: Joy Division, Gang of Four, Pere Ubu, The Soft Boys, Television) WesleyDodds (talk) 01:37, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * New Wave does get a bit of a bad rap (sometimes deservedly so), but it's important to note that many of the initial New Wave artists were part of the original CBGBs punk scene: Talking Heads, Blondie, and so forth. They didn't fit in with the stripped-down Ramones/Dead Boys sound, or the UK punk scene, so they were labeled "New Wave" instead. There's the Police (trained musicians who thought punk was interesting, so they went to CBGBs and played three-chord songs) and Elvis Costello (too angry to be to be a straight-ahead singer-songwriter, but too poppy and accomplished in his songwriting to be punk) who definitely gave New Wave a good name. Then there's The Jam, the leaders of the mod revival, who became the biggest band in Britain before they broke up, and were lead by Paul Weller, who ties with Costello as the best songwriter to come out of the punk era. I stongly recommend picking up a Jam compilation. WesleyDodds (talk) 04:26, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Pixies articles
Sorry, been quite busy lately. The reason I have references at the bottom is that I prefer to keep the bottom of the article as a "you've finished reading the article, so here are some books and external links to investigate"-type thing. (Although looking through a random selection of music articles, most seem to place References before Notes). Feel free to reverse the order; here's a list of Pixies articles (the ones above stub class generally have a reference section), I'll try to help when possible. CloudNine (talk) 10:36, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot for doing that. Let me know if there's any repetitive things I can do in return! CloudNine (talk) 10:22, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Flipping
As the notes refer to the sources, I think they should come first. I rv'd two of your edits, maybe a bad idea, but I think the way the order was is more logical. But ill let it up to our resident pixies expert Cloudnine. Ceoil (talk) 16:24, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Done and done. No hard feelings. Ceoil (talk) 18:45, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks....
...although the discussion is kinda dead, and was more active at WT:GAC. But thanks for the vote of confidence nonetheless :) &mdash; Dihydrogen Monoxide 04:21, 31 December 2007 (UTC)