User talk:Grimjaw/Archive 1

Great job on the Arrancar characters
Good to see someone making characters, might I add making them well, and not just a random attempt at an article. -- Makaio 02:10, 22 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I join the praise of the new articles - they are well-written and are definitely a worthy addition to the wealth of Bleach character pages. However, it may be better to pass on some characters and not create pages about them. What I mean is that some of those arrancar are dead, and there aren't really a lot of things that can be said about them. As a result, the article will always be the same size (which is fairly small), unless you completely stretch the little info that there is. Therefore, the notability of a character should be taken into definite consideration before making an article. As you might've noticed, we don't have articles on Kūkaku Shiba, Jirōbō Ikkanzaka, and many other characters. -- Y Ynhockey || Talk Y 19:24, 23 February 2006 (UTC)


 * yeah i left out d-roy for a reason, he had all of two seconds of airtime --Grimjaw 01:37, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Bleach
Konban-wa, Grimjaw-san! I recently proposed a Bleach WikiProject at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals and thought that you might be interested in voicing your opinions. A couple of the project's goals are listed on the proposal page and if the project passes the proposal, I will get started on an official to-do list. I'm willing to hear any and all criticism, comments, and ideas to help improve the project. Thank you for your time! // Poetic Decay  23:41, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Tenjho Tenge Question
What is the first name of Feudal Japan era Nagi? Is it Kengo or is it Ichiyō. The only reason I ask is because back in Vol. 10, chapter 61, page 115: Mataza stated that Kengo was a family honorific and also I'm pretty sure that others during the Feudal Japan arc called him Ichiyō. (Duane543 20:51, 27 February 2007 (UTC))
 * That is my point. If Kengo is a family honorific, it would be only use it for formal introductions, but not used by people that know him. Either way it should be keep in the article. I also noticed you change Kagesada Sugano to Sugano Kagesada. I'm pretty sure it was right before, Kagesada being his first name and Sugano being his family name. I will not change anything until I get word back from you. (Duane543 19:53, 28 February 2007 (UTC))

To tell you the truth I only created that plot summary page only because all of it was on the main page and I did not want to delete someone's hard work. I have been leery working on it since when I happen to see the one piece arc articles go down in the WP:AFD process (see here). Someone could make a very good argument that that article violates the Number 7 of theWP:NOT policy. On a brighter note. I'm glad that your are back helping out with the Tenjho Tenge articles!! As for your question of if I understood the ancient arc. My answer is yes for the most part. It took a couple of rereadings to figure all of it out and it did not help that you have to read really carefully understand where the time skips are. If you have any questions Feudal Japan arc, feel free to ask me and I will help in anyway I can. Now for my own question, how can be Sōhaku Kago be Souichiro's father if he was inside another man's body when he was with Makiko. In my logic, he does not meet any definitions for the term father. Not that this with change anything in the Tenjho Tenge articles (it already canon), I just want your opinion. (Duane543 03:45, 1 March 2007 (UTC))
 * Again, if Kengo is a honorific title, it would be part of his name. An example Paul McCartney, who is knighted, would be addressed as Sir (the honorific) Paul (given name) McCartney (family name). Since Japanese family names are first, than given name, than according to Japanese titles article the honorific would be last. Thus Nagi (family name), Ichiyo(given name), and  Kengo (the honorific).
 * Anyhow, I don't know why Aya is staying quiet, but I think that we should not add Souichiro possession in to the article until it become more into the forefront of the plot in order to stem people adding Original research. Also, I too find it interesting that Kago does not have complete control of Souichiro's body because with Tokuan Shōjō, as soon as the eye went in and Kago had complete control. Just to let you know, you are a little confused on the reason Kago looks like himself when he changed bodies and is not because he can re-write dna. It is because at the time Tokuan, who has the ability to look like anyone, was impersonating Kago at the time when Kago took Tokuan's body.(Duane543 05:09, 1 March 2007 (UTC))
 * Souichiro is addressed as Nagi Souichiro Kengo by Mataza on page I mention on my first message. Since the Feudal Japan arc is loosely based on Japanese history, here are some links that might help you understand the arc better: Sanada Yukimura, Senhime, Tokugawa Ieyasu and Siege of Osaka . (Duane543 14:16, 1 March 2007 (UTC))
 * Good job on the Aya (present) article!! I only fixed some minor mistakes. I also put the copyright info on the your Tenjho Tenge pics, so OrphanBot will not be bugging you.(Duane543 17:00, 5 March 2007 (UTC))
 * Corrected the mistakes and filled in the Feudal Japan era in the Sohaku Article. I also rearranged the Characters the Feudal section was not correct because Ieyasu Tokugawa was being controlled, Tadaaki Jiroemon Ono was only going to get a job, and Masanobu Sadonokami Honda betrayed Sohaku, so it is not fair to say they were part of Sohaku's faction. Your question is pretty well answered by reading Tokuan Shōjō section which states "His power gives him the ability to look like anyone, although he was only shown doing it when he already had their head. His power also allows him to read their ki, so he could copy their physical techniques." You didn't miss the part of him using Reiki to imprint himself with Yoshikatsu Shinjirō Yagyuu techniques during their fight in order to defeat him. Also how many times do you think Sohaku jumped bodies? It is my belief that it is only two: Tokuan Shōjō and Souichiro Nagi. The reason I think this is because Sohaku makes some comment that to Noriko  about be being the first time he has been old after takes over Tokuan body. This leads me to believe first body jump was out of necessity and the second was to get body that could use all of the powers that Noriko forced Souichiro to absorb. Otherwise he would just continue using his power on himself to keep young and healthy.(Duane543 02:28, 7 March 2007 (UTC))
 * Associating might be too strong of a word, but Dōgen was in the back of the in the limo with Mitsuomi, Emi, Shirō, Mitsuiro, and Hirohiko (who I can't figure out if is a flat girl or a boy) after Shirō was released from the hospital.(Duane543 02:37, 12 March 2007 (UTC))
 * You do realize that their are sites on the net that you can view Tenjho Tenge manga up to Chapter 101, so you would not have to download it. As for the answers for you questions: Dōgen in the limo is on Volume 16, Chapter 98, Page 122. The range of chapters from the attack on the enmi estate to Makiko stopping Souichiro is Chapter 57 through Chapter 65. As for Hirohiko character, you can't figure out the gender by the name in manga. I can't remember if their are any gender-specific pronouns used for that character, can do you?  (Duane543 04:29, 12 March 2007 (UTC))

tenjho tenge character articles
I have no idea if Mataza is family honorific or not so I think it is best to leave it alone. I think the characters that need separate articles are the ones that have impacted the storyline and have enough verifiable information for. Some of the characters that I personally believe meet this criteria are : Jushi Mataza Tsumuji (as you stated), Fu Chi'en, Dōgen Takayanagi, and Makiko Nagi. The criteria that I choose for characters to be in the main character page are that they had to first span more than one chapter and play significant role or be added in order for casual reader to understand a more important character. If you can't write 3 sentences about them, why add them. However this is harder to do with the newer characters because you do not know if they are one shot characters or not. One candidate I think will be eventually added to the main character page is will be the girl that has been taking down the other club captains. Lately I have been editing the Emi article offline, and will do some corrections (if needed) on the newer articles later. Anyhow, Great Job on the template!!! (Duane543 05:13, 9 March 2007 (UTC))
 * It is just my understanding, but I think if Makiko Nagi was strong enough for her dragon that Sōhaku Kago would have transfered into her body.(Duane543 03:47, 10 March 2007 (UTC))
 * I like the Techniques & abilities sections in the character articles. I would suggest that they be moved below the Synopsis section, but before the trivia (if there) and the references. I probably will go through each one individually later on to make sure we both have the same understanding. For example, I always thought Mitsuomi used an advanced version of the Forged Iron Needle attack, then Maya's or Souichiro's. Also, I will more than likely add Sōhaku's controlling jutsu to his section. When the Makiko Nagi article is created, this section will be a bear to work with because she is the character is the most confusing to me of what powers she has (or had?).  (Duane543 16:04, 19 March 2007 (UTC))
 * I writing to clear up some differences in understandings. First, according to Chapter 71, Page 21, F was founded eight years ago and the coup' de ta of the family heads happened two years ago. Secondly, I don't think Noriko wanted to add 24 people to the Enforcement Group's roster for Todou Academy's annual election tournament. My thought that she was requesting more meat from the school (I could be wrong). Lastly, I don't think Noriko Dragon's Roar is a red feather power. The way Madoka talked about it on Chapter 80, Page 17, it is a jutsu that others have or had done. So it would not be like red feather powers which are only passed through genetics or obtained with the Dragon's fist.  (Duane543 20:54, 20 March 2007 (UTC))
 * I sent the above message to make sure we were both on the same page. I just figuring it would clear up any mistake or misconceptions that could happen. (Duane543 02:28, 21 March 2007 (UTC))
 * It's funny how we can forget the first technique shown in Tenjho Tenge . Maya shrinking herself to look like a elementary child to safe up her ki. To bad Reiki used all of it to show Aya the past. (Duane543 20:50, 21 March 2007 (UTC))
 * Looking at the Tenjho Tenge articles, it is made clear that we have to work out a standardization of the references. This is because some pages going according within the volume, others pages go according within the chapter, and then their is the numbers in the black bar that is sometime inline with the volume page numbers and sometimes they are not. Would like to hear your opinion of the standardization of references. (Duane543 16:26, 24 March 2007 (UTC))
 * I think the most logical is to use the Tenjho Tenge" Manga; volume * tankōbon (Chapter **, Page **). when page number from the volume is used and Tenjho Tenge" Manga; (Chapter **, Page **). when page number from the chapter is used. Forget about the black bar stuff. (Duane543 01:44, 25 March 2007 (UTC))
 * I see User:Cojin add some pics which is fine, but we should be careful not to overload an article with images (not that they are overloaded now) so it doesn't take long to load for people with a slower internet connection. I also would like to see the black bar cropped (one of the Shin pics still has it) out of the images. Do you agree? (Duane543 22:40, 25 March 2007 (UTC))
 * Just a heads up. I have been changing the Reiki to just Reiki. My reasoning for this is that in the manga it is treated more like a character than an object. (Duane543 02:51, 26 March 2007 (UTC))
 * The amount of images on Bunshichi's page is fine. I was just repeating a guildline that I once saw and now can not find. If you want to create a article for Reiki, go right ahead. If you think about it, the Tenjho Tenge article sure has changed since December 2006. (Duane543 16:15, 26 March 2007 (UTC))
 * I was wonder if you could change the Shinichirō Kurei, Kagesada Sugano, Fu Chi'en, Noriko Shindayuu Inue, and Mouki Enmi images on the Character list page. I think they do not reflect the character's personalities as well as the others. I already talk to Access_Timeco (the person who posted them) and he is fine with the change. If you could also post a pic for Nokimi Mayutsubo (the "witch" with the utility knife) that would be great. (Duane543 03:18, 29 March 2007 (UTC))
 * I found the transcript Here (Duane543 15:28, 29 March 2007 (UTC))
 * To tell you the truth, their are some things I didn't like and some I do. First problem is the names list of individual names under the family and dragon gate section. Most people can figure out who belongs to which family by themselves or else they can check out the character articles. I would combine the 36 Branch family into the 12 founding families by indenting the family name under the main family. The Dragon gate expansion is fine, but I would just indent the description and not have it italicized. The reason I suggest these changes so the Tenjho Tenge articles are not repeating the same information. Also I feel the main page should more of a summary that leads to the more in depth character pages and by removing the individual character list the appearance would be better since their would be less empty space on the right side of the page. Let me know what you think of my suggestions and if you want me to implement them. (Duane543 17:37, 29 March 2007 (UTC))

Question
Do you have any experience with opening files with rar extension? (Duane543 01:35, 11 March 2007 (UTC))
 * Thanks for your help, but I found a free command line extractor that works well for me after I figured out the proper syntax.(Duane543 14:11, 11 March 2007 (UTC))

Pics
Hey I added some pics to some of the characters if that's okay.--Cojin 07:57, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh ok sorry about that,yeah I like those pics that you put up and I kinda thought mitsuomi needed more pics so,I'll guess I'll find more of other characters.Oh do you like screen shots or Manga images?--Cojin 15:54, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

I have a few screen shots and I'll try to get them uploaded asap.(i'm at school right now..)

Katana
Hey I was wondering if we could add the other katana members as minor characters.I think there were six other members --Cojin 15:47, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Ok,but do you know the other three members names?--Cojin 17:44, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

A while back when I first came to the Tenjo Tenge article there was nothing,but you guys did a good job with it thanks.--Cojin 04:16, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Benihime
Simply because a technique is called bloodmist doesn't have to necessarily mean it was made of blood does it??? Or is there any more information given in the databooks???--Chaosprophet 06:22, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Tenjho Tenge
Are you sure about the Looping Yellow Fire Dragon and The Looping Blue Wood Dragon. I thought that elemental ki and the dragon gates are separate concepts. (Duane543 19:49, 29 March 2007 (UTC))
 * You were right about them being the same. I finally found it on Vol 9, page 42. Am I reading it right that Dragon eyes and Dragon fist work with the 8th element (on the next page)? That is some info that I forgot about. (Duane543 23:51, 29 March 2007 (UTC))
 * Do you think Raika Rotsukaku (referee) will have enough impact to be included in the list of characters? Right now, I think she is border line. (Duane543 22:40, 4 April 2007 (UTC))
 * I posted the ladybug activating reiki question on the Tenjho Tenge talk page where is more likely to be seen by others. (Duane543 22:51, 5 April 2007 (UTC))

Have you ever thought about making a tenjo tenge wiki? well if you have time...-- Cojin 22:09, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

It's like an entire wikipedia just for tenjo tenge.Basically--Cojin 22:40, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

But that is the advantage of having your own tenjo tenge wiki you could be the administrator and keep it the way you see fit.^_^--Cojin 22:49, 4 April 2007 (UTC) And why the hell would someone delete an article just because a character is dead? What now that their dead there history needs to be destroyed too?That's dumbasses for ya.

Hey it would have been cool if the opening was with the characters in flashback arc,I have to admit the whole time I was watching the dvd during the flashback I seemed to have forgotten about the present characters.--Cojin 23:28, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Characters
Making articles for some of the feudal japan characters, in my opinion would be redundant. If someone wanted to better understanding of the feudal arc, their is the Plot Summary of Tenjho Tenge article as well as info from the other character articles. It is not like their character will ever be seen again since they are all dead. Just a heads up, I remove the idea that Masataka hates the all of th enforcement group with the exception of Bunshichi. Since he seems to be on fair terms with Emi, as he informed her of his decision to join Juuken Club before doing so. Here is a question for you to ponder; Why does Sōhaku have Souichiro fight Katsumi who is a white feather? I can only figure two possibilities; first is that Katsumi has a red feather power like Jushi or Souichiro has a red feather blood from the Shōjō family that would allow him to read their ki, so he could copy their physical techniques. (Duane543 03:40, 6 April 2007 (UTC))
 * I overlooked the normal gates. However if Suhaku did not switch bodies after the first transfer, Souichiro should have some other red feather power genetically from his father (Sōhaku Kago or Tokuan Shōjō). (Duane543 14:15, 6 April 2007 (UTC))
 * I've bee skimming some of the chapters. It looks like you were right about Inue being a Red feather because on Chapter88, Page 29 and Chapter 89, Page 40 when talking to Souichiro, she was using " us red feathers". I'm not completely sold on the dragon roar being a red feather power though. I was right about Sōhaku wanting to 24 students to fed to Souichiro (see chapter 79, Page 19). What with the deal on the main page. The nihongo was not hurting anything and would it easy for someone to add the kanji. Also Reige's edits brought up an a point that should probably addressed by one of us. This point being that their are two states (open and closed) to the dragon gate. The powers created by what state that Dragon gate is vastly different. (Duane543 02:00, 9 April 2007 (UTC))

I'm right now adding the kanji on the family names. As for the gates, lets use Maya for example, she has a power over the element wood and I don't think her gate is open. The power is nothing like Aya's open gate which produces the Dragon's eye. What is your opinion? (Duane543 02:33, 9 April 2007 (UTC))
 * On Vol. 9, Chapter 54, page 98, does it look like  Makiko lost control of her dragon because it looks sort of like when she lost her other arm. It would also explain the scars on her eye ( which looks like Souichiro leg when the dragon took it). If true, did Sōhaku cut off her arm to save her? Let me here your thoughts. (Duane543 01:58, 10 April 2007 (UTC))
 * I know it is out of character for Sohaku, but the arm on that page is not a clean cut of a sword. It is more like Sohaku's character to have had Makiko under his Jutsu like Madoka, who he also made her feel like she loved him and that they would get married. Even though, Makiko is not illustrated having a amulet on her, but nether was Ieyasu. It is possible that Sohaku only uses the amulet when the person is some distance away from him. (Duane543 02:49, 10 April 2007 (UTC))

I disagree with your statement from Reiki article : "It also seems to repell other blades while activated, like the same poles on two magnets. For example, it manages to force Tetsuhito's sword from his hand and send it flying away from him." I looked at the page and it seems to me that it was drawn to show some force hitting Tetsuhito's hand from below. It is more probable that Maya kicked his hand to knock the sword out. (Duane543 03:57, 11 April 2007 (UTC))


 * I think some Shin’s relationship should be cleared up in the articles. First, Shin’s does not seem to me to care for Maya romantically. She happens to be the one person that maintains his focus of individuality in the mass of other consciousness or voices caused by the Dragon Eye (sort of like Frank Herbert’s Dune Abomination (Dune) concept). This is why the analogy of Maya being his flame in the dark. Because of this, Shin didn’t want to lose her to anyone. Secondly, Shin in some ways showed he really caring for Mana. Some of these are: He made a point in telling her he did not kill anyone to her before he started his meeting with Dogen. Another would be that he allowed Mana to take Reiki away from him in this crazy state. Lastly, how much her seeing her dieing affected him. What do you think? If we are in agreement, I will make the changes into the affected articles. (Duane543 19:13, 12 April 2007 (UTC))

What is the technique that the person sticks their finger in their opponents ear. Is that also the Iron Finger Technique? Because if it is both Mitsuomi (to Shin) and Makiko (threatens to use it on the hostage from Kyushu in the taxi) can do this technique. (Duane543 04:21, 14 April 2007 (UTC))
 * Just a heads up, I add Raika Rotsukaku to the character page (pic needed). (Duane543 02:54, 16 April 2007 (UTC))

Edit summaries
Some of your edit summaries ( etc.) could provoke overly sensitive editors. It's generally best to adopt a non-judgemental tone. –Gunslinger47 04:10, 10 April 2007 (UTC)


 * yeah a recent wave of idiots editing bleach has struck. i'm tired of reverting orb of distortion and other such faggotry. i call them idiots cuz thats what they are acting like, i'm not known for patience lol. my bad on that. the comment on the removal of bunshichi's nicknames wasn't disrespectful imo, and that wasn't the intent. the 3rd wasn't being a dick i really wanted to know where he got that shit from, cuz i have the entire manga and don't recall any more detailed explanation of ishiyumi's gate. it could be some extra shit from ultra jump (its happened before...see the trivia bullet on Katsumi Kabuto's name.)
 * i cuss a lot, some people take it as being pissed or rude in text format...i don't intend that, its just reader bias. if someone has a problem with it they can say so on my talk page and i'll explain it to them, or cease to curse when its in regards to their edits and such. don't think cuz i'm cursing i'm trying to be a dick or something. --Grimjaw 04:30, 10 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I understand quite well actually. :D There's no rule against cursing (quite the opposite, actually).  I also feel that sternness and blunt frankness definitely have their places when dealing with some editors.  You seem to be a valuable contributor so I was just passing on a friendly warning.  Take my personal example:
 * We had a troublesome editor on Naruto who insisted on incrementing the number of released volumes prior to the actual release date. He was reverted several times, prompting this edit summary from me. ^_^  I was a little short on patience that day.  Anyway, the editor responded poorly.  See  and his talk page.
 * I don't know if patience is worth it, frankly. The type of people who go off at the slightest provocation... should we even make an attempt to deal with them?  Nine times out of ten (perhaps more) of these causes just suffer the long and strenuous road towards indefinite blocks and eventual sock puppetry. :(
 * On the other hand, there is always a case like this. Guy gets offended by my sarcasm, rants on my talk page, but I kept steady and he's now a model editor.  Hm.  Well, anyway, back on subject! :D
 * Calling editors "idiots", even playfully? Probably something you should avoid, despite how much they might be.  –Gunslinger47 04:56, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Bleach
WikiProject Anime and manga/Bleach is now an official task force. If you would like to become a member, just add you name to the appropriate place on the page. Thank you for your support, and happy editing. // Decaimiento Poético  21:15, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Tenjo Tenge
Yo anything new?--Cojin 22:49, 15 April 2007 (UTC)