User talk:Grk1011/Archive 13

Length
(Discussion started by me on other user's talk page) ''You do realize that the Elena article is only 91kb long while Rouvas' is 133kb and Michael Jackson's is 197kb? According to WP:SIZERULE, the article probably should be shortened if greater than 60kb, but over 100kb it definitely should. Being only 91kb, size is not a concern at the moment. Considering that Jackson is a featured article at 197kb, I think its safe to say that Elena's page has plenty of room to expand. Whether it is necessary considering the length of her career is another story. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 16:48, 7 September 2010 (UTC)''


 * That is completely irrelevant and I never said an articles length blocks it from FA or we, infact most FAs are quite lengthy and unique subjects. We were specifically talking about the addition of ridiculously trivial info in that section, not appropriate for the bio but suitable for the esc article. It is fancruft and promotion and just describes very specific events. Essentially, what did she do that year: 1)released debut single and album, won a couple of awards 2)Was selected for Eurovision, toured Europe and won, bringing her from minor name to cemented solo act 3)Promoted tourism 4)Rereleased album twice, a couple more awards 5)Toured Europe and then the Greek diaspora. These are the key things to centre on. Very descriptive events such as appeared on posters, the plane thing, welcome parties etc are only important to fans. A good section on that article is the 2008 one, which is quite concise and she did more things essentially than the other years. In either case, when you split an article, putting the same info on the main article defeats its purpose. Anyway, the first time i downsized the article considerably, I remember you telling me that some of the sections still seemed too big.


 * Also, its kind of an ignorant comparisson of Paparizou and Rouvas/Jackson. Rouvas has been around for almost 20 years, Jackson almost 50, both have ventured into other forms of media, ie acting, business, production etc, have redefined the music industry and performance, established genres, are top commercially successful and awarded artists, and are legends and cultural icons, (with legacy sections) which is definitely not the case here lol. What is Paparas career really. She is just a singer, no other forms of media, moderate commercial success, five albums, and typically makes the same career moves as 95% of the rest of the Greek mainstream, so there is no need for excessive length if you think about the more tangeable things she has done.


 * Jackson editors have at least made an attempt to make the article shorter; everything is concisely written and along with the typical corresponding articles for discography, videography, and awards, they have split the article into the 1994 investigation, 2005 trial, health and appearance, records and acheivements, death, and memorial, otherwise it would be over 500kb. As far as Rouvas, none of the sections are overly lengthy, except for the most recent one, as he did a lot in the last year, but even then every sentence has a substantial piece of information.GreekStar12 (talk) 18:07, 7 September 2010 (UTC)


 * PS: When I said the tangeable things she has done I meant by listing out what she actually has done in one year like I did above, anything else can go in the other articles. Another issue is that while some things in the article are notable and can easily be summarized into one sentence, they carry on over many sentences. A good example of this was the tourism thing that Greekboy added and also the Helena v. Elena section a while back, thats my main concern, not how many kb the article is, which is also contributed to by references and images.GreekStar12 (talk) 18:17, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Talk page comments
Please do not edit my talk page comments as they were not in violation of any Wikipedia policy nor did you have my permission. I simply said that you removed that comment from your talk page, which was true and perfectly acceptable to note. – Chase  ( talk ) 13:06, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The way in which you noted it violated WP:TPNO, more specifically it was the "Do not misrepresent other people" part of the guideline. There was no reason why you could not just say what you wanted to say on the page. Adding that I removed it from my talk page was irrelevant to the discussion at hand and I felt it was only written to discredit me in the discussion. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 13:12, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * How is saying that you chose to remove it from your talk page misrepresentative? That's exactly what you did, and thus removing my comment from Talk:The Fame Monster was inappropriate. It was not an attempt at discrediting you, and I'm sorry if that's the way you interpreted it. – Chase  ( talk ) 17:08, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * It did as there was no reason to even point it out. Whether I removed it from my talk page or not was of no importance to the discussion. People remove things from their talk page all the time. The message was for me, I read it. Others don't need to be pointed to the fact that you felt the need to leave me a little side note that is no longer there for them to see. Anything relevant to the discussion should be part of the discussion. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 17:15, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe it wasn't of relevance to the discussion but there was nothing wrong in noting it, as you did indeed do so. Therefore I was not in violation of any policy and you had no reason to alter my comment. – Chase  ( talk ) 18:28, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I removed it because I felt that it misinterpreted my actions. That is my decision to make as it involves something against me. You weren't voluntarily violating any policy, but I have the right to remove it according to the guideline. It also did not change your response in any way that would have changed the meaning of your main comment. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 18:43, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I know it's a little unnecessary dragging this discussion out as the fact of the matter is done with, however, I still don't think you understand as that my comments about you were not in bad faith and you did not have my permission to alter my comment, it was inappropriate and you did not have the right to do so. Removal of content from talk pages is only acceptable in certain instances. Even if I had made that comment in bad faith, it would not have been a personal attack strong enough to warrant a removal. – Chase  ( talk ) 20:28, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

(←) And actually, the misrepresenting point of WP:TPNO you keep mentioning also applies to altering my comments. – Chase  ( talk ) 20:29, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Except as I said, I did not change the meaning of your comments in the slightest bit. Saying that you wrote on my talk page didn't help prove your case and its omission did not take away from what you said. I do have the right to remove a comment that I feel is misinterpreting my actions. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 21:01, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * While it may not have been relevant to the discussion, I don't know why you fail to see that I was not misrepresenting your actions. If I was doing so, I would have lied about what you did. – Chase  ( talk ) 21:31, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Not you misinterpreting, others, based on what you wrote. Ok it's behind us. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 22:03, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

No need for question mark
Re: Yes, the artist you give singlechart has to match the artist it's listed by in the chart. I can't work magic.&mdash;Kww(talk) 19:31, 8 October 2010 (UTC) The question mark was because I had done a section edit so I couldn't preview the whole article and check the ref link. I wasn't sure if that was what was needed to fix the link or not. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 19:54, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Happy Birthday
'''Wishing User: a very happy birthday on behalf of the Birthday Committee! Armbrust Talk  Contribs  01:31, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Happy birthday! I also saw this edit is my watchlist!   [[ axg  ◉  talk   ]] 08:54, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Haha, thanks! Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 23:59, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

List of MBTA Commuter Rail Stations
Good work on making the List of MBTA Commuter Rail Stations a better article. It took me forever to make and reference that page. Good luck on the Featured list status and if you need any help feel free to ask. --Found5dollar (talk) 16:56, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I started working on the List of MBTA Subway stations article as well and I can see what you mean about the sourcing&mdash;it's going very slowly. I also would like to get MBTA Commuter Rail to GA eventually. I was originally doing that, but got sidetracked by these lists lol. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 12:34, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * yeah i gave up on the Subway stations list partway through fixing it up a while ago. It is hell trying to figure out how to state connections and what should and should not be included.--Found5dollar (talk) 21:25, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Greek album chart
Once I do albumchart.&mdash;Kww(talk) 00:20, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Rebetiko
Hi Stephen, THX for working on Rebetiko (again)! Alfie ↑↓ © 15:44, 20 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Edit: Concerning the endless story of transliteration of Χ to H or Ch. ;-) I'm happy with both (as a native German speaker I have some preferences for ch, because in German the pronounciation is essentially the same like the Greek Χ). However, we have two articles linked from Rebetiko with different transliterations (and the respective other redirects), namely Manolis Chiotis and Manos Hatzidakis... IMHO at least the list of performers should reflect the right lexical order. Alfie  ↑↓ © 15:58, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm in favor of the "h" spelling mostly because it is the closest English letter to the Greek X ("Ch" would be as in cheese). As for the names, technically we should be going by the most common English transliteration, not by a chosen convention for an article. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 16:10, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Cheese - oh yes, terrible! So let's keep the 'H'; I will move these guys down in the alphabetic list. Alfie  ↑↓ © 18:47, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Patch.com spam
I saw where you reverted my edit on Melrose, Massachusetts and I wanted to drop you a note about what's going on. Patch.com has linkspamming for several months now and I periodically go through and clean up after them. You can see the results in my contribution list. TN X Man 18:57, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I remember when it was added a few months ago when it was just rolled out. The local site's editor, who had added the link, posted on my talk page . While I had originally removed it as being non-notable, it has since become more prevalent in the "news scene" of the city and I feel it is now reputable enough for mention (the editor used to work for the Melrose Free Press if my memory serves me correctly. The links to the websites can go as they are technically ad spam, but it is definitely relevant to mention the two newspapers and the online source in the article's media section. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 19:20, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I've tweaked the section some - does this edit look good? TN X Man  19:28, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yea, that is fine. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 19:42, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

spelling
How can you think that the date and spelling format are not related? There is something called consistency. You can't use the european system for one and the American for the other. And what do u mean it's a greece-specific subject. she is not just a greece-specific subject, she is swedish and thus overall a EU-subject. Greece doesn't just use the metric dates, the English they learn is also the British-English, (ps i have the proficiency) so I just disproved your theory. I've never seen another decent page that uses a different system than the person's origin. And as far as for what's established (not that this really relates to you) but Greekboy never uses the metric/Uk spelling even when it is established, so I'm going to assume that your real problem is not wanting to have to remember to put in a few extra letters on an article you edit constantly. When I edit American subjects I use the US spelling...Anyway if you revert me again i'll have to report. GreekStar12 (talk) 01:43, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * First of all it's not called "metric", that term is for units of measure. British English is also not exclusively taught in Greece and even if it had the majority it would not affect the spelling in the article. As Greece wasn't a British colony and since it doesn't have any special relationship with the UK, there is no "strong tie" to UK spelling. Therefore, the original variety of English that the article developed with shall be retained. See WP:ENGVAR and WP:RETAIN. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 02:02, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Firstly, I was referring to the numeric system. Conventions such as metric, British English, the Oxford comma etc are all European; considering this is a European article, the respective conventions should be used for consistency (you can't possibly think metric dates and US English are consistent). Secondly, I think you have proven inconsistency on several occasions and you typically favour w.e. suits your likes better (ie you use ks in the beginning of words because you don't think x offers the right English pronunciation but you use x in the middle of the words; One is the ancient transliteration and the other is modern, so you have to choose one. if you choose ks then you also have to use ph, ch, gh, dh, and y).


 * However, despite this you still preach guidelines that don't even necessarily help your case. The retain rule is for generally geographically neutral subjects such as World War I, periodic elements, diseases etc, where there is no reason for the switch apart from user preference. ENGVAR specifically states that subjects with affiliation to a certain country should use the respective spelling. This doesn't mean it has to have the name in the title like American Civil War...Paparizou is a strictly Greece (& Sweden) affiliated topic; she like others is completely irrelevant to the American public. You should learn about the Greek education system a little before you make random claims, because Greece may not be a British colony, but it does exclusively teach British English. The only time American English is taught is by American colleges which are owned by the US government and have NO affiliation with Greek public policy. I am willing to use either conventions when I edit as long as it respects the background.GreekStar12 (talk) 14:46, 23 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Paparizou is not solely Greek and Swedish, she has releases and notability in a variety of countries. That doesn't really matter though. American English is also taught in Greece and that is a fact. Dates and spelling are not part of the same system as you allege; they are independent. Also, there is still no such thing as "metric dates". Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 18:54, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Orange Line Route Map
Hey, what's your AIM screenname? I would like to discuss with you what things you would like me to add to the Orange Line route map I started... My SN is on my Userpage.


 * -- NYCTrainFan (talk) 01:01, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Added you to my buddy list. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 01:31, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Ref citation on Eva Simons
Hi, Grk1011. On your recent edit to Eva Simons, you added what looks like a reference for the Hot Dance Airplay peak of "Take Over Control". Unfortunately, you didn't provide a complete reference, making to hard to verify the claimed #1 on that chart.

Your reference points to Billboard, but you didn't provide a page number, which is essential for written publications. In an earlier edit summary you mentioned that it's online at the billboard.biz site, but you didn't provide a URL for that case, either. Would you please provide the rest of whatever you have that's missing? Thanks, &mdash; JohnFromPinckney (talk) 00:02, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I do not have a copy of the magazine with me and it will be difficult to track a copy down once again. As for the website, I do not have a subscription so I am unable to provide a link. Either way, if someone had a subscription all they would have to do is search the website, so providing a direct link is not critical. Per Wikipedia guidelines, a pay wall does not discredit a source. I provided enough information in the reference so that whoever has the ability to look up the position can. The week date is actually the only critical detail regarding the song's peak and I have included it. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 00:14, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Why you reverted on "Mono i agapi"?
Hi.

I'm reviewing the Eurovision Song Contest articles and fixing minor glitches. One of them is a faulty transliteration of 1983 Cyprus "I agapi akoma zei", and I'm changing all the links to the former "I Agapi Akoma Zi" to the new. The "Mono i agapi" article linked to "I Agapi Akoma Zi", so I changed to "I agapi akoma zei" but you reverted it. Why? --Ricardo Cancho Niemietz (talk) 16:49, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Because it was right the way it was. It doesn't matter how you feel the title should be transliterated when there is an established spelling. In the case of these Eurovision articles, the songs were entered and appeared at the contest using a specific spelling and capitalization. Therefore, this becomes the common name. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 16:55, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Hum... I'd already changed "Panaya mou, Panaya mou" to "Panagia mou, Panagia mou" without troubles. In the Eurovision official website, it stands as "Panaghia mou, Panaghia mou" (another transliteration). It appears there are inconsistencies between sources. Who stablished the current rules for Greek ESC songs in Wikipedia? Which is the "standarized" transliteration to use here?--Ricardo Cancho Niemietz (talk) 17:21, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * (I meant "Panayia mou, Panayia mou", sorry the typo).--Ricardo Cancho Niemietz (talk) 17:33, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * With that article you are correct, but you can't just copy and paste the text because it ruins the article history. Though ESC spells it "gh", the cd cover spells it the same way you want to. The cd cover would override the ESC spelling. When you tried to move it, you should have gotten some red text pointing you to go to Requested moves. There you could probably list this under uncontroversial and use a link to the cd cover as evidence of it being undebatable. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 17:36, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm trying to be accurate and well-hearted with my changes. Ususally, when a Wikipedia ESC song name doesn't match that of the ESC official website, I put a note in the song's article "...listed as X...", or "...also X..." and put the reference in acordance, but I don't change the article's title in itself. But with transliterated Greek, Cyrillic and Hebrew, issues are arosen. In the case of "Panayia/Panaghia/Panagia", I back track to the ultimate source: just the record's cover, as you noticed. In the case of "I agapi akoma zi", I've not found (yet) a ultimate source to stick to, but I found "I agapi akoma zei" in many sites, and proceed as well. If your POV is authoritative in the matter, I'll revert all my changes of "... zei" and merely I'll add a simply note "...also transliterated as..." to the original "... zi" article. Do you agree?--Ricardo Cancho Niemietz (talk) 17:50, 17 December 2010 (UTC)


 * And with this vinyl single cover the discussion is over: it is "ZI". I'll try to be more careful the next time... and thanks! --Ricardo Cancho Niemietz (talk) 18:09, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem, anytime. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 23:36, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Looking for Wikipedia Ambassadors
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Contact
Kalispéra (kai Kalá Xristoúgenna!!!!) fíle Grk1011, I'm wondering: have you got Facebook? If so, and if it would please you, I'd like to get in contact with you on that network. You can find me on www.facebook.com/RobBruin Ánte geiá, Robster1983 (talk) 19:18, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Sent a friend request. It might be better if you made an account on AOL Instant Messenger as user:Greekboy, user:GreekStar12, user:Imperatore, and I all have accounts and talk often using it. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 19:36, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks a million for your hint! :) Thing is, though, it took me rather some time to get my onto FB (still saying hail-Marys to you, my Czech friends who got me on FB! ;). )But to be honest; AOL isn't even BY FAR known around here (=EU)... I guess it's more of and US-thing? :s All my Greek contacts are via mostly via All The Lyrics (a translating site by/for people all around the globe), and if, I have to admit, to stay in contact, FB is THE way tob go, I'm afraid (no, I'm happy about it ;)). No, but thing is: ANYONE who is passionate about Greek music is more than welcome in my list on FB! Spread the culture around! :D :) I just hope the others share the same feeling. :) Robster1983 (talk) 20:35, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I am the only one out of the four who uses Facebook, so the best thing would be for you to just download aim . It's free and it's not bulky or anything. Just a small window. It's not a social network or anything either, no profiles or anything, just an instant messenger. All you need to do is make an account/screenname and you are all set. You don't even need to download the program as you could use Aim Express . It's wicked easy for you to make one and it will make it wicked easy for all of us to talk. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 22:31, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
x2 → ♠ Gƒoley ↔Four ♣ ← 02:01, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

United Kingdom in Eurovision 2011
Sorry to bother you; but I have noticed on the article for the United Kingdom in the Eurovision Song Contest 2011 that there is a paragraph posted that is word-for-word identical to the website source for which has been attached to is. The paragraph on wikipedia reads...

"Reports that the BBC has approach three names concerning the British representative at the Eurovision Song Contest 2011 in Germany. The names mentioned are Pixie Lott, whose latest single was not as big a success as expected, Katherine Jenkins, a classical singer trying to have her breakthrough in the United States and former classic music child star Charlotte Church. According to EfM several sources confirm that Charlotte Church, who has been trying to start a pop career recently, has been chosen by the BBC. Apparently she has even been offered the contract. The song might be selected in the traditional “A song for Europe” format. More detailed information or even confirmation is expected to be announced shortly by the BBC."

I have read some policies and noticed that this could be a breach of copy-editing. Is this correct? Regards! (80.192.226.205 (talk) 17:51, 31 December 2010 (UTC))
 * Thanks for bringing this to my attention. It seems that not only was the paragraph a word for word copy, but the source for the information is not considered reliable as it is a fan blog. I have subsequently removed the paragraph in its entirety. Grk1011 (talk) 18:16, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Hello again, a user called ESC 2010; has posted a word for word paragraph on the article Belarus in the Eurovision Song Contest 2011; regarding rumoured producers for the nation. The paragraph is 100% identical to its sourcing. As this is the second incident on copy-editing; I'm wondering if people need to be reminded of the consequences? (80.192.226.205 (talk) 00:11, 16 January 2011 (UTC))
 * It was such a short sentence with some original material so I just rewrote it. Thanks. Grk1011 (talk) 01:48, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Re: MBTA Commuter Rail
(Discussion started by me on other user's talk page) ''Hi. Unfortunately no reliable sources have published information regarding the new locomotives. Until such information is published, the roster must stay the way it is, period. I know for the most part that you are right (except that they are 2009s not 2010s), but my hands are tied. Grk1011 (talk) 18:20, 31 December 2010 (UTC)''
 * Hi, I mostly understand what you are saying, but I am unsure of what could be considered a reliable source. Could NETransit be considered a reliable source, as it is already linked to on the bottom of the page? Oh, and yes, according to that site, they are 2009s, that was my mistake. Thanks, TrainfanJoe (talk) 22:29, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not considered reliable in terms of Wikipedia because it is maintained by some random person, see WP:SPS. I do agree however that the site is extremely reliable for the average person as I believe the person who owns it is somehow associated with the T. Someone added the link to the page, but I left it because I know of its value. It cannot, however, be used as a source. I'm surprised that no newspapers have posted anything about these new locomotives as we have now seen pictures and know that at least one locomotive is now enroute (according to railroad.net). Grk1011 (talk) 22:58, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I did notice that I was wrong with 2007 as the UTA site I had sourced the year to was only talking about locomotives 1-11 which are in service and not the ones in question even though they are identical in terms of specifications. Grk1011 (talk) 23:11, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, I understand what you're saying. Basically, everyone knows that information, but there is no "legit" (in the eyes of Wikipedia) source to back that up. TrainfanJoe (talk) 23:29, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, exactly. I'm still at a loss to figure out why there aren't any sources yet. I suppose when the locomotive as at the BET, they will realize something is up and we will get some info. Grk1011 (talk) 00:33, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Template_talk:Did_you_know
G'day. Reviewed this DYK for you, and just wanted to say great job. I have absolutely no interest in these sorts of shows, but I've got to credit you with keeping things WP:NPOV which I think a lot of editors on these sort of pages must struggle with. Crossposting to your fellow, Greekboy, also. -danjel  (talk to me) 13:26, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I can't take too much of the credit as Greekboy did most of it, but it's nice that you went out of your way to congratulate us! Grk1011 (talk) 16:18, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Cascada
Wow, I had no idea you liked Cascada. -- Cprice1000 talk2me  15:41, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes. I'm a huge dance music fan, especially for their sort which doesn't get much attention here. I've been keeping my eye on most of the Cascada pages, but I don't want to go all out on their pages because their situation is hard for wiki. Their cds are released everywhere and do pretty well, but there is never a ton of information. Grk1011 (talk) 15:45, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * IKR? I absolutely agree. Like the Everytime We Touch page. The album was an international hit, yet the page is........ not so good. They deserve better sales in the US and better wiki pages! :P -- Cprice1000 talk2me  15:50, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I just noticed that you "made" the Night Nurse page and that you linked the Robbins message board. Have you joined the new forum style one at http://robbin.securesites.net/phpBB3/? Grk1011 (talk) 16:01, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * "Made?" What's that supposed to mean :P And yeah, I love the new forum style. You'll see me there listed as "Colin P." Also, I just revamped the Everytime We Touch article. -- Cprice1000 talk2me  18:11, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * "Made" because you made it, but it was moved out of the mainspace to Article Incubator/Night Nurse (song). Btw, here's a surprise for you, my name might be "Steve" on the forum and we might have been having a discussion about Eleftheria Eleftheriou for the past few days! :p Small world... Grk1011 (talk) 19:40, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh my god! lol Yeah it is really small! XD And, also, I made it in the incubator, since I immediately knew it was not notable. And you're right, too. I should have realized when I made the article that it should have been Mikrofonkåt when I made the article. I just wanted it to be consistent with the english wikipedia. Wow, we fight about everything but at least we can agree on good music. -- Cprice1000 talk2me  23:38, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I was going to make the page for the song since it is her best selling single so far, but I didn't want to have to worry about Petter's version. Technically it is a cover of his song so the page should be for both versions with his being the prominent infobox and hers being later down in the article. I don't know though since they are really drastic different and only share the lyrics. Grk1011 (talk) 00:23, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The only reason I disagree is that the English version is almost entirely original. -- Cprice1000 talk2me  03:57, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Which is why I don't know what to do. Often songs covered in other languages are still listed on the same page as the original. Grk1011 (talk) 05:18, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Maybe they should be separate articles, since it's not really a translation. Mikrofonkåt and Me and My Microphone. But I want more of a consensus first. -- Cprice1000 talk2me  16:22, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
 * If anything, the English and Swedish versions should be together. I can tell you now that that is what the music folks will tell you. They will probably say Petter's should be included too, but we'll see how it turns out. I'll start a discussion at the WP songs project. In the meantime, I sent you an email. Grk1011 (talk) 16:25, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh wait, the Petter version does not have an article. And I've already started one on the Mikrofonkåt page. -- Cprice1000 talk2me  16:31, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I got ur email, made an AIM account, and added you. -- Cprice1000 talk2me  21:10, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok. I am on now. I'm surprised, I thought every American kid our age had one. Oh well. Grk1011 (talk) 21:33, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Valanto Trifonos
Thanks for your article Victuallers (talk) 02:27, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Fix Me
 And the other was a blocked link --<span style="font-family:'tahoma bold',serif;border:1px solid Black;"> Cprice1000 talk2me  22:57, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

The given sources
at Hold It Against Me do not over-ride my changes. If you look on iTunes it says released by Jive a unit of Sony Music. Britney is signed to Jive only in the UNited STates. Jive does not operate in countries like Mexico or Spain. Thus Sony Music releases on their behalf. Its called an exchange relationship. iTunes is not a reliable source for record labels or release dates as it often gets things wrong because each iTunes store is operated centrally. If you're still unsure speak to User:Imperatore who is an expert in the field of record labels. He will be able to explain this better to you. --  Lil_ ℧ niquℇ № 1  <sup style="color:black;">[talk]  18:43, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I am very familiar with Imperatore's views as he is one of my best friends on Wikipedia and we talk via instant message often. Wikipedia relies on WP:VERIFIABILITY, not truth. Jive may not operate in the same way abroad, but it somehow has released the song in those additional countries. Whether you agree that iTunes is a reliable source or not, you have not provided any sources relating to the actual song's release saying otherwise. Proving that Jive does not operate in these countries is not enough. I will only accept a source saying specifically that it is Sony alone releasing the song. For now, your repeated reverts of my edits without providing a supporting reference will be considered vandalism. Grk1011 (talk) 18:49, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Maybe you don't understand but the way you've spoken to me is quite patronising. I myself am a highly reliable editor and I've had over 2 years editing experience. I do know what I'm talking about. But I do completely understand the issues here with reality and WP:V. Thus I will wait until other music retailers start selling the single, then hopefully there will be other sources verifying that Jive doesn't release Britney abroad. At the end of the day we're both trying to edit the article for the best possible outcome so don't assume otherwise. Also one revert of your edit is not repeated reverts. Finally I will urge you to avoid blanket reverts because although my changes to labels was disputed I also made some other important changes so such linking iTunes to iTunes store as it is the latter which actually released the song... (iTunes is just the software). Additionally I moved all the references to the same column to neaten up the appearance. In future consider reviewing edits before you blanket revert them. --  Lil_ ℧ niquℇ № 1  <sup style="color:black;">[talk]  19:05, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * You undid my edit twice (though the first time you might not have known it) and for the record I have been around here for almost four years so I also consider myself a reliable editor. A blanket revert may not have been completely necessary, but your edits were minor and stylistic in nature, so it really wasn't a big deal. This is the typical "someone called me out on something so I will fight back by accusing them of being wrong too". I too take part in this habit from time to time, but it doesn't really change the facts of the issue. The reliable sources say something right now and we need to go along with them until either a more up to date source or a more reliable source comes along. In past discussions where we've both been involved, I've seen you take the same position that I am, so just try to think about it from the other person's shoes. I realize that my response may sound mean or whatever, but I get annoyed easily, sorry :p. Grk1011 (talk) 19:15, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Template:MBTA color
The reason I changed it to a lighter color was to match the newer signs such as the one on East Weymouth. If that certain sign color isn't being made, then it shouldn't be used on WP. Cheers, → ♠ Gƒoley ↔ <font color="maroon" face="Papyrus">Four ♣ ← 01:57, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The color I reverted to more closely matches this. Grk1011 (talk) 02:54, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't really want to argue about this anymore so keep it dark. → ♠ Gƒoley ↔ <font color="maroon" face="Papyrus">Four ♣ ← 17:20, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Mr. Saxobeat
Loved the song so much that I made a page for it. -- ĈÞЯİŒ  1ооо  21:29, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Looks great! Grk1011 (talk) 16:24, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I was afraid I might not be able to find enough info, since all the charts except the Romanian one were bogus! -- ĈÞЯİŒ  1ооо  22:15, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Greece in the Eurovision Song Contest 2011
Orlady (talk) 06:04, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Fix Me
How long is that gonna sit on your subpage? It's a perfect article and is filled with information. -- ĈÞЯİŒ  1ооо  05:21, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm still scratching my head with the UK release. I couldn't find enough information to conclude whether it actually was released there or if it was canceled. Grk1011 (talk) 19:15, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
 * It seems like a cancellation, but I would flat out not mention it without a source. -- ĈÞЯİŒ  1ооо  03:31, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

RE:
I've just finished revamping the article. Mostly just referencing everything and a lot of rewording. -- ĈÞЯİŒ  1ооо  22:14, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Alewife entry
I am the source of that Alewife entry...personally...and it's not trivial - it affects thousands of people - unlike the typeface which was mentioned prominently - I will be redoing this shortly MrCorrectIt (talk) 02:37, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
 * A source is a document, news story, etc., not a personal experience. Grk1011 (talk) 02:43, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

I am a journalist (with a degree) - how is a news story by another journalist any more reliable than my 7 years' of observations at this location? I challenge you to provide a rationale to censor me and yet accept another professional writer's account MrCorrectIt (talk) 03:19, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I challenge you to do some research on how things are done on Wikipedia. You can't expect us to take your word for it. If you say you are a journalist, then publish your observations in a reliable source which you can then use here and there won't be an issue. Grk1011 (talk) 03:21, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

You crack me up - most of the sources on this entry are the MBTA itself, the entity that operates the facility...hardly an unbiased and reliable source, is it now? But you have no issue with that as long as it's somehow on a web page. Indeed, various facts on the wikipedia page are unsourced, and you have no issue with that either. But a true-to-life contribution from a professional reporter who has observed the facility's operation for more than half a decade is just a bit too wild for you. I'm going to keep bugging you about this nonsense. MrCorrectIt (talk) 03:32, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
 * It can also be a book too. We have rules. The source of the information can be biased as long as what it is using to be sourced isn't. We shouldn't use the MBTA website to source the address, bus routes? If you would like to "keep bugging me" then I'll just bug an admin and have you blocked from editing. Grk1011 (talk) 03:37, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Robbinsent forum
Do you think the robbinsent forum would be reliable? Of course, I mean only official statements made by Stephanie and none of the others. She does speak on behalf of Robbins and whatever she says is official, but it has the word "forum" in it. -- ĈÞЯİŒ  1ооо  23:09, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I would ask at WP:RSN. Grk1011 (talk) 23:16, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Just asked. -- ĈÞЯİŒ  1ооо  21:52, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
 * They deemed it a reliable primary source. -- ĈÞЯİŒ  1ооо  23:31, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Re: Promo singles
talk about total headf*ck. To end all the crap (being flung about, sorry for the crassness) I've come up with a blanket proposal. A simple statement as to what defines a single at this page. Tell me what you think. I've tried to be bold but if its too bold or too daring do tell. I just thought this debate is getting really old (its been had several times before) and to be honest I personally keep switching sides because new evidence comes up either way. --  Lil_ ℧ niquℇ № 1  <sup style="color:black;">[talk]  03:13, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Btw I apologise if that sounds rude above. I'm a little wound up indecisiveness sometimes on wikipedia. Don't worry my crassness is not aimed at anyone in particular. --  Lil_ ℧ niquℇ № 1  <sup style="color:black;">[talk]  03:19, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Don't worry lol. At least you have the capacity to change your mind when convincing evidence comes forward. Grk1011 (talk) 03:23, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Tbh the current consensus is not even being implemented. The current consensus claims that a radio date counts as a release date in absence of a purchase date. Well by my calculation that justifies Raining Men (song), Woohoo and Back to December as singles but doesn't include Gaga's Dance in the Dark because... because??? --  Lil_ ℧ niquℇ № 1  <sup style="color:black;">[talk]  03:33, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I have no idea. I've been asking for a source or some reason why it wouldn't be a real single and all I got were patronizing responses about how other articles were the same and questions as to why I could not understand what a promotional single is. Grk1011 (talk) 03:38, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

My definition of what a promo single is. Right here. May need some added, but it fits what most singles are. -- ĈÞЯİŒ  1ооо  13:00, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * That's your definition though, not the actual one. You can't just write an essay and it magically becomes a guideline. Grk1011 (talk) 13:27, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The community will add to it and it can become an official Wikipedia essay. However, you do not have to follow essays, as they are not guidelines. -- ĈÞЯİŒ  1ооо  23:07, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * An essay that contradicts widespread consensus cannot be in the Wikipedia namespace. It will take a lot of community editing to make that reflect a shred of what current consensus suggests. Grk1011 (talk) 23:16, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, the essay is made up mostly of results of discussions at WP:SONG, so, yeah, it already has a lot of what consensus is leaning towards. -- ĈÞЯİŒ  1ооо  22:54, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Άννα Βίσση/Anna Vissi - "Αγάπη Είναι Εσύ/Agapi Einai Esi"
Γεία σου Grk1011, I have asked for a renaming of the article Agapi Einai Esi. I'd really love to have your input and feedback! Greets, Robster1983 (talk) 21:21, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Just
WTF are you doing? You changed two articles from promo to single structure, which was reverted as there is no strict guideline for it. Now, since a discussion is going on it is of utmost importance that the articles be left at their original state for which the discfussion is going, so that concerned editors who are giving input can look at it. I would suggest you revert back your edit right this instance. I won't coz of 3RR, but I do believe that you should leave it. Its utter idiotic to change them when Chasewc91 was the original user who had done it in June 2010. The discussion at WT:SONGS is going to impact a huge number of articles, why are you nitpicking on this two? Just because of Gaga? Ridiculous mate, I thought you were better than that. — <i style="color:blue;">Legolas</i> ( talk 2 me ) 15:43, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I changed that article a on Jan 16 and DITD on Jan 23. There was only a problem after I changed the second one. If you look in the history for Christmas Tree, it was always listed as a single and then was changed in June 2010 with no discussion. I did not change Christmas Tree back to single during the discussion, it was a week before it. Therefore, it needs to stay as it was pending the outcome of the discussion. It's not like I'm going around changing articles because I think "my" view will win. It was simply just done before all of the madness started. Grk1011 (talk) 16:01, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war&#32; according to the reverts you have made on Christmas Tree (Lady Gaga song). Users who edit disruptively or refuse to collaborate with others may be blocked if they continue. In particular, the three-revert rule states that: If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes. Work towards wording, and content that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If edit warring continues, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. <font color="#4B0082">Tb <font color="#6082B6">hotch * <font color="#006600"> ۩  <font color="#DAA520"> ۞ 20:17, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) Making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period is almost always grounds for an immediate block.
 * 2) Editors violating the rule will usually be blocked for 24 hours for a first incident.
 * 3) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.
 * The edit war is over if you had read the comments above. Changes should not be made to articles when there is a discussion as to whether those changes should be made or not. Grk1011 (talk) 20:19, 4 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I see no discussion of any of you about your unsourced change, which you did with no summary. And I have to remember you that 3RR states that "Making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour [will lead you to a block], and that time has not passed yet. <font color="#4B0082">Tb <font color="#6082B6">hotch * <font color="#006600"> ۩ <font color="#DAA520"> ۞
 * The discussion is on WP:SONGS and Legolas knows about it. There was no reason to come and revert a change I made weeks ago now that there is a recent discussion on whether such categorizations are appropriate or not. I don't see myself nor Legolas making more than three reverts in less than 24 hours and as I stated above the edit warring is over. The issue here is that we each thought we were doing the right thing and explaining a little more with each revert hoping that that was all that was needed to get the point across. It took more than we both thought. Grk1011 (talk) 20:30, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

You have violated the three-revert rule&#32;on Christmas Tree (Lady Gaga song). Any administrator may now choose to block your account. In the future, please make an effort to discuss your changes further, instead of edit warring. <font color="#4B0082">Tb <font color="#6082B6">hotch * <font color="#006600"> ۩ <font color="#DAA520"> ۞ 20:34, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Which? 3rr relate to the same reversion of content, Not just number of reverts to a page. Grk1011 (talk) 20:35, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry, looks like they changed the rules recently. I have self reverted myself to avoid a 3rr violation. In the meantime, please do not exacerbate problems by making edits whose merits are still being discussed by the community. Grk1011 (talk) 20:45, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Recent Changes Camp 2011 – Boston, MA
Hi, can I interest you in Recent Changes Camp 2011 (Wentworth Institute of Technology, March 11-13)?

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Me & My Microphone
I just created the article and I really need some help. If you have come across any critical reviews on the song, or any info at all, would you add it to the article or give me a link to it? I don't want to see this article become like the rest of September's, yet I can find so little information. Thank you! -- ĈÞЯİŒ  1ооо  19:24, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, what do you think of my Love CPR expansion? -- ĈÞЯİŒ  1ооо  17:32, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The expansion looks pretty good. I'm not sure about Me and My Microphone though. I'm still on the fence as to whether it should be part of the Mikro page since it's the same song, just with English lyrics. Grk1011 (talk) 03:36, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
 * It's more of a sample. It uses the beat of Mikrofonkat, but uses totally different lyrics. If it were a simple translation with minor adjustments, it would be an English version, but it completely changes everything. -- ĈÞЯİŒ  1ооо  03:40, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Oh my god the Cascada article is full of red links! What's wrong with people? :P -- ĈÞЯİŒ  1ооо  22:39, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Not sure. I was pretty proud of myself for tracking down that new picture. I'm not sure what happened to the old one. Grk1011 (talk) 00:09, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Oh yes, they are great pictures!! The GA nom was laughable. True, the user did do quite a good job at copyediting the article, but the amount of original research that was already there was phenomenal. -- ĈÞЯİŒ  1ооо  21:53, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Re: Sales
The consensus on this matter can be found here.  Snap Snap  00:56, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Orange Line route map
I'm proposing a pretty major change to the MBTA Orange Line route map - removing the old Charlestown and Washington elevateds for the main template and moving them to a series of historical templates. I'm contacting you because you did major work on the template; the discussion is here. Thanks! Pi.1415926535 (talk) 02:38, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Edit warring on Despina Vandi
I have protected Despina Vandi and Despina Vandi discography from editing indefinitely, until efforts are made to resolve this dispute by discussion. I am trying to kick start the process by asking for a statement from all involved parties on their position in this dispute. Please leave a statement at Talk:Despina Vandi stating (a) what you want from this dispute, and (b) why you want it. References to policies and guidelines will strengthen your position. CT Cooper · &#32;talk 10:26, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
 * To be honest, I find that I'm rather wikibonked recently. If I get a chance, I'll chime in! Grk1011 (talk) 19:42, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Your input would be very much appreciated since only one other person I have contacted has responded. I bet if I unlock the article the edit warring will just re-start again. I am considering as a last resort the more draconian option of 0RR for anyone who comes back to edit war on this who has not contributed to the talk page discussion, made clear by an edit notice, if that is the only way to get some parties to take it to the talk page. CT Cooper · &#32;talk 20:42, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

M&MM
Have you seen any reviews or such about Me & My Microphone? The page is so desperately bare and I can't find much on it. The most I have is Stephanie's posts on the forum, Hung Medien, and ScandiPop, but nothing more. I have the same problem with Mr. Saxobeat. -- ĈÞЯİŒ  1ооо  11:30, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Yea there isn't much for these smaller releases by independent labels. I'll keep my eyes open though and post if I find anything. Grk1011 (talk) 19:41, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Response from wih_lim re MBTA edits
This is wih_lim's father. He just turned 7 today and, as you can tell, is very interested and knowledgeable about the MBTA. We didn't realize that, in addition to reading all these Wikipedia articles, he was now starting to edit and start articles, too. After seeing his talk page, we've spoken with him about the need to understand the policies and guidelines before he does this. So, aside from a couple of remaining changes that he wanted to make on his Assembly Square (MBTA station) page and on the Wellington page (clarifying that Assembly Square before Wellington is "2013 (expected)", he's going to learn the policies and guidelines before doing anything else, and we'll review any changes or new articles that he wants to post after that. Apologies for the problematic edits and such to date.  Wih lmi (talk) 18:58, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Zero tolerance rule
Following a lack of input from multiple parties at Talk:Despina Vandi, I have reduced the protection on Despina Vandi and Despina Vandi discography to semi-protection. However, to prevent edit warring resuming again, a "zero tolerance rule" on enforcement of the Edit warring policy is being put in place on both articles. The terms are below:


 * A blanket final warning is given to all parties of this dispute on edit warring to apply indefinitely.
 * A "zero tolerance rule" will apply to any further edit warring on either articles. Any further reverts (reversing another editors edits in whole or in part) on either article will result in a block of at least 24 hours for the editor(s) responsible, regardless of whether 3RR has been breached, or if the number of reverts is one or more. Significant leeway however will be given when:
 * The reverting editor has recently commented on the article talk page, and the user they are reverting has not done so.
 * For the very narrow range of edits exempt from 3RR.
 * All parties in this dispute are being notified of the "zero tolerance rule" via their user talk page (hence this message), and will have this apply to them once this has been done. Any new editor that attempts to edit war on these articles will be notified about the "zero tolerance rule" personally before it will apply to them.
 * An edit notice has been created as an additional reminder about the "zero tolerance rule".

Please see Talk:Despina Vandi for further details. CT Cooper · &#32;talk 11:59, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Orange Line route maps
I've finished the Orange Line route maps that I started a while back; you can view them here. They've been checked over by some folks I know from Railroad.net, so they should be factually correct and ready for article insertion.

I'll start (if you approve of them) by replacing the current confusing template with my simplified 1987-current one, then by adding all 5 in the article side-by-side. Which may require a fancy template.

(Feel free to reply here; I will watch your talk page.) Pi.1415926535 (talk) 04:43, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yea I saw them when you posted them on railroad.net. They look great. Nice work. Grk1011 (talk) 01:19, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

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WikiProject Eurovision update
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Ruslana
Good day, first I'd like to appologize that I'm not a native English speaker. Thank you for your interest in this article, however I'd like to ask how Eurovision Song Contest winner can be considered as low-important for WikiProject Eurovision? Thank you for the explaination, with best regards --Wespecz (talk) 16:22, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Per the assessment criteria of WikiProject Eurovision, singer biographies are low priority. Grk1011 (talk) 16:51, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

 * Thanks! It's great to know that my work is appreciated, though much more is necessary. Thanks for the push to get back into things! Grk1011 (talk) 15:16, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

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MedCab case
Just so you know, an application for mediation has been made with you listed as an involved party at Mediation Cabal/Cases/2011-08-29/Eurovision Song Contest 2012. CT Cooper · &#32;talk 18:47, 29 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi Grk1011. I'm writing to let you know that I left a reply on the ESC2012 talk page.  However, despite your polite request that Tony0106 should cease reverting the article, and leave it as it was; he is continuing to partake in his own edit war.  I've warned him that if he continues to ignore requests, that I shall pursue an official complaint via WP:RFC, and also directed him to partake in discussions via the Mediation Cabal/Cases/2011-08-29/Eurovision Song Contest 2012.  Wesley Mouse (talk) 21:21, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Ochi day
I started one. Check Talk:Ochi Day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dimboukas (talk • contribs)
 * I moved it to the appropriate page. It needs to start on the page you want to move. Grk1011 (talk) 14:07, 7 December 2011 (UTC)