User talk:Grk1011/Archive 3

More regarding historical labels
Aside for those historical relevance reasons I mentioned on your other account, I just want to further express to you the significance of adding Columbia as well to releases pre-"Eho Sta Matia Ourano" for Kaiti Garbi. Back then Columbia at Sony Music Greece operated as an imprint that took centre stage. I remember Atofio Hrisafi (94) around when Kaiti shot to super-stardom- it was well labeled (as in marketed/advertised) that Kaiti's albums were Columbia releases, perhaps even offsetting the Sony Music label which was probably at the time the name of the company (Sony Music Entertainment Greece S.A.).

The infobox reads Label...as in logo/brand of the release...and back then it was most certainly Columbia (and the sony music logo), issued by the company Sony Music greece - but it doesn't say music company.

Furthermore the Columbia imprint is still used today but now Sony BMG gr. chooses not to place promotional emphasis on the imprint (its just a tiny logo near the fine print on the back of cd covers). All marketing efforts in Greece represent only Sony BMG, therefore it makes sense for post-2004 releases to only carry Sony BMG as a label in the infoboxes (although adding Columbia wouldn't be wrong but it complicates things and it is not so representative of current promos.)

Ok so those are my ideas....speaking from some experience of the old ways...sorry if my tone sounded a bit too domineering but it's just that I really stand by what I've observed over the years. lol. ttysoon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Imperatore (talk • contribs) 06:00, 2 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey, firstly I want to apologize for thinking you and greekboy were the same person lol.... I'm glad you agree about the Columbia issue and I want to congratulate your work on all those album pages for Garbi. Please see greekboy's talk, if you haven't already, for the first part of my argument, and I will tell him to do the same.

About omitting Sony Music- The reason why it's there along with Columbia is because it clarifies that it's an imprint and not Columbia Records on its own...If the company was Columbia ent. gr it would be appropriate to only have columbia, but operating through a "sony music" company as an imprint how I posted it seems to me more clear... However if Sony Music were to be omitted I would definitely not argue it out/change back lol. As for the Columbia links I will fix them eventually.

p.s. remember that adding Columbia is only most appropriate for pre-2004 releases in my opinion, therefore you guys should keep Paparizou's new album as only Sony BMG as you have previously settled on. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Imperatore (talk • contribs) 00:04, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Porta ston Ourano & iTunes
Hi. The song has been released digitally in all digital stores, so it's wrong to write that it will be available in May. You can ask SONY BMG GREECE, if you want so. iTunes, which is the biggest digital outlet, doesn't have it available yet. Also, i may inform you that you shouldn't add iTunes charts according to Wikipedia.. WP:Charts: ''Charts pertaining to only one specific retailer (such as iTunes, Amazon.com or Wal-Mart) should not be used. In addition, unofficial charts from television-related countdown shows (such as MTV's TRL or BET's 106 & Park) should not be used as they are not derived from verifiable sales and/or airplay totals.'' Thank you and goodnight.--Chronisgr (talk) 19:04, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't say that it's available in iTunes but it will be. The song has been available prior to the date you've given(plus there's no source for this, ask SONY BMG i told you)

One site i have found is: http://www.e-shop.gr/search_trk.phtml?id=TRK.0263737 The download is legal and it is the original version of course.

If you're not the one who added this chart, then for sure is someone from the guys you mentioned in your first message. Inform them please. Thanks.--Chronisgr (talk) 19:25, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't know when exactly in April the song released in greek digital outlets that's why i didn't add something i didn't know. I only added iTunes because Ilias Pantelopoulos claimed that. Ilias Pantelopoulos who's responsible for digital sales in Sony BMG said that it was available in April at musichellas, e-shop etc and on 2/5 (or 3/5 at the latest as you said) on iTunes and mp3greek. As Ringtone and Ring back tone on 18/4. www.sonybmg.gr--Chronisgr (talk) 19:47, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Ilias Pantelopoulos from Sony BMG said that. You may ask him.--Chronisgr (talk) 00:30, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Which chart? It's OK if you think that by releasing it on iTunes it's official release. In fact, it's logical because iTunes is one of the biggest-if not the biggest-worldwide digital outlets. But the song has been available for digital downloa in more than one digital stores and it wasn't for promotion. Contact Sony BMG for more details.--Chronisgr (talk) 20:53, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

I've wrote you what they've told me about the digital release. It's useless to repeat. I'm still waiting to download the song from iTunes store--Chronisgr (talk) 22:28, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

It's been available in most-if not all- greek digital stores so it's official released.--Chronisgr (talk) 22:33, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah but in iTunes Greece Madonna's new album & single is not available either. That doesn't mean that it hasn't been released in the country. Plus, since the single is available for download in the majority of greek digital stores, that makes it officially released. Ilias Pantelopoulos from Sony BMG Greece said that the single was released in April for download in greek digital stores and in May on mpgreek and itunes.--Chronisgr (talk) 23:22, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

www.sonybmg.gr there you will find his e-mail and contact. I don't ask you to write it on Wikipedia. I'm just telling you where i found the information about iTunes and other digital outlets. Besides, many facts are unsourced so big deal. --Chronisgr (talk) 00:50, 3 May 2008 (UTC

I AM REALLY SORRY BUT I GOT SO EXCITED WITH THE NEWS SO I TRIED TO DO IT MY OWN.what should i do now??? (talk) 10:220, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

When are you gonna fix it????????(talk) 06:50, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Alexiou & Label Talk
Are you referring to the Estia entry?, I would keep it as is or put it as Estia / Minos EMI, however Parakseno Fos (2000) is from Sony Music, so Estia / Sony Music. I don't know if the other releases between 00-03 if they are Sony.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Imperatore (talk • contribs) 00:21, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


 * OH!!! Well both representations seem sensible but the "/" is how I've observed various sites do it for all kinds of artists on the net. Piping is now fixed for Kaiti Garbi.


 * For Alexiou there are some technicalities as I noted since Estia had collaborated with Sony in the beginning (but now it's definitely Minos EMI.) I will try to research it.Imperatore (talk) 00:38, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Proteriotita
Haha I feel so stupid now...I thought you were referring to Paparizou's new album since I read fast. Proteriotita from 2004 was probably pre-Sony BMG transitioning that happened in 2004. (And it probably is Sony Music since that would explain why it is Columbia and not RCA.) Let me know what your cd cover says, although from what I gather from your message it is Sony Music. If it is pre- bmg then yes we should put it in and keep it consistent with Kaiti Garbi's entries. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Imperatore (talk • contribs) 02:06, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Sony Labels Proposal
Hey Grk1011, this is the same message I posted on Greekboy's talk:

Hahaha I have a very bold proposal to make concerning the whole label thing.

For Sony BMG releases, example Anna Vissi or Kaiti Garbi, I think we should also include Columbia. LOOOL

My reasoning is as follows:

1. Columbia is still inscribed as an imprint on the back cd covers and on the spine next to the Sony BMG logo and it's just as big.

2. For Kaiti Garbi it would be nice to include it on her albums because it shows a continuity that hasn't ceased yet, and its nice to see that 90% of her career was associated with the oldest name in recorded music.

3. Of course since the marketing today is Sony BMG only unlike in the 90s when Columbia was more up and front, we can just put it after sony BMG as such: Sony BMG / Columbia (and this also respects the order on the spines).

4. As in the Sony Music article there have been talks of a de-merger, so transitioning back to columbia / sony music will ensure more consistency in some sense.

''5. Paparizou is the only one I know of right now who has the RCA logo, so there is some kind of mysterious differentiation effort on the part of the company which I think is worthy of indicated. Especially since she releases albums through other Sony BMG divisions, there must be some kind of significance. lol''

Please don 't be shy to object as I have no other argumentation to bombard anyone with for the moment lol... I just want some input from you guys who created the pages before going on an editing rampage

Imperatore (talk) 01:21, 7 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Your chart to me makes some sense, but the imprint shouldn't have a country name as it defeats the meaning of an imprint. Instead I would switch it with record label (which I would rename as company as to avoid confusion with the whole imprint/label business.- it also makes a nice greek translation! diskographiki etairia)


 * Furthermore, Kaiti STILL has the Columbia imprint (see proposal above), so I'm not quite sure what general meaning your table must take on just yet. I wanna confirm with greekboy and get his input as we've had similar discussions on Anna's discography. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Imperatore (talk • contribs) 01:32, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

The reason why I was putting Columbia before Sony Music (the company) is because we had established how Columbia was really important and was at the forefront, especially in the 90s, in marketing/advertising. This is also the way MAD TV used to do it. However for wikipedia purposes I guess it's better to keep a consistency over whatever other logic there might be. Imperatore (talk) 01:01, 16 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure if any of her CBS releases were Columbia, although in the year 1988 when Sony acquired CBS, they also acquired the rights to the Columbia name from EMI for non-USA markets . Then in 1991 they renamed themselves to Sony Music. (I also think that Sony Music Greece was named Sony-CBS Greece for some time well into the 1990s.) I would think that only the Sony Music releases post-1991 were Columbia imprinted and not the CBS ones, so we should just put CBS and omit "records" for the first two albums.

Helena new album
sorry for the mess.When are you gonna fix it????????(talk) 11:02, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

please fix it before the album's release(talk) 11:25, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

ok but what's wrong.I don't get it(talk) 11:29, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

first of all congratulations because you are so polite with people LOL

why not every single should have a page

vandi has pages for her songs.Please stop doing this all the time no matter what i do you always tell me not to do it.Also i think that there is enough space for everyone's pages so stop

WikiProject Christianity Newsletter
i wouldn't but i think is important that we have news and i will have a source tomorrow. i also found new about Mando http://www.mad.tv/news/?id=30612

CfD nomination of Category:Antique albums
Category:Antique albums, which you created, has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. –Black Falcon (Talk) 20:28, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

The Ultimate Collection (Katy Garbi album)
Please see the talk page for the said album. If you agree can you notify me of how the deletion procedure works. Imperatore (talk) 01:11, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * lol, i was confused since i had already responded before seeing this. Grk1011 (talk) 01:13, 28 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Ok, We can begin by removing it from discography section, then we can forward it as a candidate for deletion (or however it is called) to wiki. Imperatore (talk) 01:17, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I added it to the list of AfD. Grk1011 (talk) 01:57, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Kalomoira
Are you always live only by the rules?

<&ndash> and (-) its equally and (-) so easier to write US - Jimmy Slade (talk) 21:04, 28 May 2008 (UTC)


 * On so many pages makes just (-) and nobody changing thats, and if it's actually longer that u wrote me, so why changing as was? US - Jimmy Slade (talk) 22:45, 28 May 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, Good luck!

HELP
Hi lately i find many changes which are supposed to be by me but i haven't done these. What should i do? (talk) 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Do you know what else i have seen? I go to see the changes and then after few minutes i go again but there isn't the change that i had seen few minutes ago

Someone changes in helena's discography the new I kardia sou petra to I kardia sou porta .When i go to the changes i see that the person who changed it in  I kardia sou porta it was me

HELENA'S PHOTO
i was thinking of changing helena's photo in her page because is very old and also there are so better pictures.She has many new photoshoots with amazing pictures. Check them http://www.facebook.com/photo_search.php?oid=2204808077&view=all

(talk) 6 June 2008 (UTC)

if i find the photos on the site of the mag??

Replaceable fair use Image:Marina_handri.JPG
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Christianity WikiProject Newsletter - July 2008
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Template:Greek Female Artists
A couple of things. Firstly, Wikipedia is not a democracy and this is especially the case with XfD's. Secondly, 4 of the users who wanted the article kept were either anons or very rarely used "dormant" accounts. These shouldn't really be given equal weight with thoughts of users such as yourself who are active participants of Wikipedia. Plus, we have ample precedent for stuff such as this. It's almost impossible to keep templates like that viable. What the WikiProject decides is notable isn't necessarily what others would think are notable. And as I said, we have ample precedent. There's a reason why we don't have templates such as that. They are big, messy and much better handled via lists and/or categories. It's much easier to define guidelines for inclusion in a list or category than it is for a template. --WoohookittyWoohoo! 14:47, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

List of Shuffle! albums and NFC
A discography is a list of albums, so calling it that instead of using the explicit word discography is not a way around WP:NFC. The use still clearly violates the policy against using NFC in discographies. Do not add them again. Steven Walling (talk) formerly Van Tucky 23:19, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Reading the WP:NFC discussion thread and due to the ANI post, there's clearly not a consensus to use them. Steven Walling (talk) formerly Van Tucky 23:29, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * However, I don't see a consensus against using them either. Grk1011 (talk) 23:30, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

List of Shuffle! albums
Rather than reverting, I started a thread here. I don't know how to say it any more plainly: we simply don't permit this sort of use. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 23:21, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Question on Spam
Hi, I have a site & I m not spamming on wikipedia. But you have put my website in spam filter. Please fixed It. My link is tadkashadka.com,

Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.94.246.179 (talk) 16:55, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

No Response
There is No response for my Question yet. Please give me a response. Why it is added in Spam Filter. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.94.246.179 (talk) 17:27, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

DENYing
Hi! Could you put a db-author tag on Image:Strangewikiproblem.jpg? I think somebody already mentioned to you about Deny recognition. Thanks for pointing out the issue! There is some discussion about which of a few different methods to use to get rid of that fool's edits at the Village Pump if you want to chip in. Happy editing! -- tiny plastic Grey Knight &#x2296; 15:14, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * no, prob. i found it after a few minutes of head scratching lol. I put the deletion template on it already. Grk1011 (talk) 17:52, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. The sooner we get rid of these template vandals the better!  They're starting to get pretty repetitive and boring.  -- tiny plastic Grey Knight &#x2296; 18:07, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Categories
It won't happen again. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 16:42, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I understand. I'll stop it if you want. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 16:49, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't, but thanks. I'll take on board what you said. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 17:03, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Like you said, don't double categorise them. I'm un-double categorising them (if that makes sense :) )

Vandi Mergers
Done and done! Been meaning to do it but haven't found the energy until you prodded me to... Queer As Folk (talk) 20:46, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

I realised the redundancy of the notability tag after placing it and reading it. my mistake. Queer As Folk (talk) 17:07, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Template:2009 Eurovision Song Contest entries
I noticed this...

''(Move log); 20:19. . Grk1011 (Talk | contribs | block) moved Template:2009 Eurovision Song Contest entries to Template:Entries of the Eurovision Song Contest 2009 (keep name consistent with past years)''

Are you sure about that? All previous entries by years templates I have just looked through use  Eurovision Song Contest entries naming. Camaron | Chris (talk) 21:47, 28 July 2008 (UTC)