User talk:Grk1011/Archive 8

ESC (PTWIKI)
hey, those articles who have the (ESCXXXX) are part of the Eurovision project, and of course the Eurovision "World", so I started to turn the articles "independents" on the titlle, and telling history just in the titlle. Other users agreed with these kind of separation of the eurovision articles (100% only ESC) thanks João P. M. Lima (talk) 22:27, 3 March 2009 (UTC)


 * ohhhh, you're rigth, viewing for that way... lol I've never remember that that songs "are" so many things lol thanks for the reparing, and a now two questions lol first how is the way that you (english people) say good bye, but in a friend way? here we say hug, saudations and more ones and you? and second, who are your favorites ones until now? (in the ESC 2009) João P. M. Lima (talk) 22:38, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

ok, I think that I will use the see ya lol it looks like more for young people (maybe I'm saying a big disaster lol) see ya João P. M. Lima (talk) 22:52, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Greece ESC 2009 navbox
Hey. The regular navbox talks about the ESC final and selection process, the other one talked about 1. the national final's venue, 2. the presenters, 3. Voting systems, 4. the opening act, 5. the interval acts which ARE NOT mentioned at all in the other one. Since the final itself is an event, it may be appropriate to include. Even in the ESC articles, although these things are mentioned in the body, they are still included in the navbox.(GreekStar12 (talk) 20:40, 7 March 2009 (UTC))


 * PS: I just saw the tag above, happy Wikipedia anniversary! (GreekStar12 (talk) 20:42, 7 March 2009 (UTC))
 * Thanks :) and barely ever are there two infoboxes on one page. The infobox is a quick overview of the article, not a section of it, and they aren't always necessary. The information you added in the infobox is all written so there isn't a loss with its omission. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 20:46, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Sofia (Swedish singer)
Shubinator (talk) 00:22, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Rouvas reference
Hey I read your message earlier but I had to leave. I don't know why it won't let me format it normally. I gave the correct address, however, it keeps going back to the homepage. It has an archive, so I don't know why its doing that. If you want to check it out, the site is espressonews.gr --> Show Time then the article is on page 391 titled "Η χρυσή δισκοθίκη της Espresso" (Rouvas is shown in the header). GreekStar12 (talk) 02:34, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

English-language singer
I noticed you took out the English-language cat on Rouvas, however, its still on the Paparizou page. I don't really think she's more notable than him as an English singer as she only had one album and the esc 2005 song within a year. Rouvas has more than a few English songs in and has recorded them over a decade, which make it a recurring thing. ie:
 * 1999-"Oh Girl"
 * 2002-released Ola Kala which had over half of the material in English for the Euro market; The 3 singles "Ola Kala", "Disco Girl" and 'The Light" were all en. The songs "Taste of Tears" and "World of Make Believe" released in many markets.
 * 2003: "Feelings" with b-sides of "I'll Give You My Heart" and "Stop the Rain"
 * 2004: "Shake It"
 * 2004: recorded charity work of "Knockin' on Heaven's Door" with Sertab Erener
 * 2006: "I'm in Love With You"
 * 2006: Live Ballad covers were mostly of English songs.
 * 2007: 3/5 songs he contributed on the Alter Ego OST were English: "One With This World", "Nothing", "Suspicious Minds", which were all singles/videos.
 * 2008: "Keep on Moving"
 * 2009: All 3 ESC songs in English
 * 2009: article has sourced info that he will release another English album

So that's more than 20 songs + the expected new album, which I think is enough to qualify him in that category. I don't think that it's how many English songs on an album that qualify an artist as an english singer, but whether it is a recurring project, which it is, so I am putting it back in. GreekStar12 (talk) 02:47, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

There you go...
I just updated the refs you requested for My Life in Ruins. I'm always hesitant to overwrite refs on articles that I don't edit regularly, since I'm never sure if there might be other relevant information in them. With regards to the message you left on my talk page, the existing refs are valid, but if you notice, they are from around August-September 2008, which in the world of movie release date scheduling is a very long time. My source of choice for checking new release dates and changes is ComingSoon.net, which I've found over a long period of time to be very reliable as well as very accurate (it's usually the first site to pick up on a new release date change, and I can only recall a very small handful of instances where the information ultimately turned out to be wrong). In this case, the release date for My Life In Ruins was just updated this week. –Fierce Beaver (talk) 19:45, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Re: Take me in your dreams
Sorry, just caught that message now when you tweaked it ;-)

Many thanks, I suspect you're correct about the motivation behind the new pages, and I'm happy with the outcome.

Cheers, This flag once was redpropagandadeeds 19:36, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Sorry!
Sincere apologies. The way I revert is keyword based, and I am sure you can understand why Boom, bang, bang was flagged up. Again. my apologies. All the best

Limideen 15:58, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

PT ESC
sorry, I've completed forgot to asnwer you :S you're wrigth, in portuguese (Potugal portuguese), we write Jugoslávia I've only seen Yoguslavia in english language. The wrigth is the word with J not a Y. and once again sorry to just answer you now :S bye João P. M. Lima (talk) 13:00, 18 March 2009 (UTC)


 * hye, I have just red your conversation with Ruy, and I say to you, that after saturday (when I'll have more free time), I'll start an investigation to see what's hapenned with those pages, and even if there was an Brazilian editor creating those pages, I'll probably move them, because all the names Iguslávia where in the begining Jugoslávia, so, the person who created the articles transform all the words in the articles and predefinitions, but I'll averiguate what really happened, but I want to say that you're rigth when you say that the articles should be rigth in PT portuguese :) bye ho, how are your favorites now? we have 42 possibilities so...? lol bye João P. M. Lima (talk) 00:40, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Maggira sisters
This article might be interesting you.--MarkusBJoke (talk) 11:53, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Did you know
Hey Grk1011, I read your message about the DYK. I always here about it but I've never been clear on how to get it nominated or what the criteria is.

BTW, I fixed the personal life sect in the Rouvas article with more refs, and also, I responded to your last comment. It's a little long, but I want your opinion on what to possibly write for that rumor you brought up. GreekStar12 (talk) 00:45, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

1991/2001 album
I noticed that you moved Rouvas' debut album to Sakis Rouvas (1991 album) and the compilation to Sakis Rouvas (2001 album). I'm not sure if that's really necessary, as the previous Sakis Rouvas (album) and Sakis Rouvas (compilation album) I think sufficed. I'm not sure, but I always thought that putting a year in the album headings was only used as a last resort, assuming that the albums are of the same type, such as two studio albums with the same name. EX: Ricky Martin (1991 album) and Ricky Martin (1999 album), (one was his debut spanish album and the other his debut english, however they were both studio). GreekStar12 (talk) 01:19, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Well the second was originally just "compilation" which is used as an adjective on wiki more than a type so it needed to be moved to someplace anyway. I know that the year is a valid way of naming pages where more than one album has the same name as seen in articles such as September (2004 album) and September (2008 album), the latter being a compilation. If you want to look up the guidelines for this specific case go ahead, but the way it is now is still technically legal. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 05:10, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Personal life conflict
Hello Grk1011. I see that we still have an issue with the personal life section on Rouvas. User Girisha-jin keeps changing the information. He is not really helping his cause as much as he thinks. Now he wrote that that it was written that he attempted suicide which sound very Weasel to me. He is making the claim that it was a rumor, when it indeed did happen, otherwise, it would not write so in his album book. I think that I am in the right to revert it, as he didn't think Espresso was enough of a source, I add in more than enough other sources. In fact I filled the section with four different sources that all supported these statements. This user left in some descriptions from Espresso, but took out the suicide description, calling it an unreliable source. You can't just pick and choose what's convenient. If a source is reliable, then it is reliable for all of the info in it. GreekStar12 (talk) 21:24, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

PS: I'm not sure if you know, but the other newspapers in Greece which this user claims to be more reliable really aren't because they are owned and biased toward a political party, presenting the news in either a left or right POV. GreekStar12 (talk) 21:24, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Well like I said on the talk, BLPs are taken very seriously on wiki because think about it, what is written can be seen by everyone. If say someone wrote a lie, we wouldn't want it ruining their life. The album booklet source seems a little random, I'm not sure why someone would gloat about a suicide attempt there, but w/e. Newspapers being biased towards a political party is slightly irrelevant because we're not talking about politics in Greece, we are writing about a singer's life. I don't think the suicide change was very weasely, but he is right about your way of writing, you use a lot of peacock terms which attempt to glorify him instead of just presenting the information and letting the reader decide. A thing to think about regarding pov sources and is that a source can be as biased as they come, but as long as it is reliable we can use it, just when you take the information from the source, it has to be neutral. For example "she was killed by the inexcusable act of the terrorist cult" -> "she was killed by a violent group of individuals", You get what i mean? Have you reconsidered msn yet? If you want, you can go to my user page and on the left it says email user, you can send me your info there so it wont be on wiki and accessible to others. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 21:51, 21 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't ever mean to glorify anything. I have taken some literature courses and perhaps I tend to elaborate on my writing sometimes. The thing about the politics was that these newspapers almost never report anything about entertainment, which is why there are daily entertainment np's and daily sports np's to serve their own purpose, something that is not present in America. I said this is what happened, mentioned when proven false, and did not accuse him of anything or justify anything he did. The user changed the writing to be more passive, which isn't really a good form to write information in. As for the album booklet, I see the way you are seeing it and what you should know is that it was not a gloating look at all my acheivements short bio, it was a full 10 page bio that talks about his successes, beginning, and his criticisms and problems. It obviously doesn't glorify anything about the attempt, but being true mentions its existence.

PS: I don't use an MSN account GreekStar12 (talk) 00:35, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Turkish Song Equivalent
I would like to honestly ask what consensus I'm violating? The issue about this equivalency was barely discussed. I reviewed the discussion on the Eurovision 2009 page and the impression I get is that this was simply decided out of nowhere based on an unreliable source. When you put this issue to vote and people clearly state if they are for or against then you can report me. But you justifying it with your explanations is not a consensus. An English language interpretation by someone of a "Turkish" sound does not qualify as a translation. The note place in the translation area is explanation enough. I am removing this again and you can report whatever you want because all "Boom Bang Bang" is, is an unsourced and unverified claim by someone who has interpreted it to mean this. Evilperson 20 (talk) 05:59, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * There is a source if you look at the link, I don't know what you are talking about. A consensus is an agreement to something someway and the only person against this is you. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 12:44, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I have seen this source and if you read what I had said closely, I said "unreliable source". A consensus is a general agreement and from the discussion, there has been no agreement, just a defense towards this equivalent title. I object to this therefore there is no consensus because nobody else has actually stated whether they agree or object to this. This is a very trivial item but I wont back down because nowhere is this equivalency confirmed by an official source. It is a claim or a conclusion made by someone which doesn't qualify as a translation. If this must be stated, the note is enough to say "this isn't English but it could be interpreted as this". But the phrase "Boom Bang Bang" does not belong in the column of translations. Evilperson 20 (talk) 01:44, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * That's why it has a note. Its an equivalent in a list of translations. If you put nothing, then you are saying that Dum Tek Tek is an English word or phrase which it isn't. If you would like to change it or come to a compromise, do so on the talk page. Do not just do as you please every time you come on. If you change it, it will be reverted as vandalism because that is what it is: removal of sourced content that the wiki community has accepted. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 01:48, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes I understand that, your source hold no water however. Nothing should be put there, the note will explain that Dum Tek Tek is the sound a drum makes. We don't need to invent equivalent phrases that do not have a reliable source. I will continue to remove it because this hasn't been accepted. If anything it is you who is doing as you please and as you see fit. Wikipedia is a community and nobody holds authority over any specific page. Just because you see it fit to include this equivalency does not mean everyone does, not to mention that this phrase has not been confirmed anywhere. When Eurovision.tv, the website of the singer, or the Turkish broadcaster state that this is in fact that equivalent to the title, then this can be posted. Until then your claim hold no water. Evilperson 20 (talk) 22:51, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok fine, I will not revert, see how long it takes for someone else to put it back. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 23:22, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * That's not the point of this. This phrase was picked out by some third party unrelated to the entry and has stated this on an unreliable website. The fact that no real source that backs up this claim should be enough to keep this phrase off the page. Evilperson 20 (talk) 05:05, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 * And the other translations were chosen by editors, not much of a difference there. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 14:34, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Slovakia
Hi could you help me fix the Slovakia in the Eurovision Song Contest article as it seems someone has messed up the contestant table and the references etc etc.. thanks--Judo112 (talk) 14:42, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 15:10, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

New interview
Let me know what you think about this one too, as always! Mike H. Fierce! 10:01, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Looks great, and just in time for the next newsletter! Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 13:22, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Release date changes for My Life In Ruins
Here are some new links for you pertaining to the My Life in Ruins release date changes, straight from the distributor: –Fierce Beaver (talk) 15:18, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * teaser page showing new date
 * first date change to 6/19 (posted on 3/12, see last link below)
 * second date change to 6/5 (posted on 3/27, see next link below)
 * search query on foxsearchlight.com (shows above link results with dates of posting)

Eurovision 2010
Hi, how are you? why you (englhis Wikipedia) don't create the Eurovision 2010 article? we have now some informations. Netherlands and Slovakia have alredy confirm their participations, and the EBU is working to bring more countries (Italy, etc), Palestine can debut next year. bye João P. M. Lima (talk) 19:23, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Because other than saying that two countries will take part there is nothing else to say. It would never last more than a few hours on the English wiki cause its so far out that it might not even happen. What if they cancel it sometime in the next year? We don't know and therefore can't assume that there will be a 2010 contest. Also we can't say anything about Palestine or any other countries that can participate unless they say they will. There is no speculation allowed on wikipedia. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 20:29, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

but if EBU is working to bring back old countries, it's because it will going to have a ESC 2010, and the coutries are confirmed now, I've created it in pt wiki, and I don't speculat very much, only put facts and the article structure. During this month and the next one, many news will start to apper, I hadn't any problem creating the article in the pt wiki, and he was edited by more users than me. I think taht exist sufficient information to article live (or in en wiki born lol) João P. M. Lima (talk) 20:38, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It won't work here however, no loss in waiting though. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 20:39, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

ok lol and now talking about ESC 2009, with all the new news, final musics apresented, waht do you think that will by ESC 2009? what do you think about portuguese entry? João P. M. Lima (talk) 20:42, 1 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure yet. I need to listen to them all before I make my decision. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 20:54, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

in my case, in the begining, I just liked the UK entry lol but now, the sweden, noruegan, greek, portuguese, malta, spanish, etc... But I think that the winner this year will be Norway or Sweden... João P. M. Lima (talk) 20:59, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

File:Wpeurovisionlogo.JPG listed for deletion
An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, File:Wpeurovisionlogo.JPG, has been listed at Files for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Skier Dude ( talk ) 05:43, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

The WikiProject Greece April 2009 newsletter
The April 2009 issue of the WikiProject Greece newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you.--Yannismarou (talk) 02:03, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Country Navbox
Since this might not get much discussion in the WikiProject Dicussion, I thought I might post this here, on a change the top is the current and the bottom is my work, the "Did not Compete" title might be something to decide on whether to keep, but I think the bottom would be the overall better and easier to navigate box.

Afkatk (talk) 10:58, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It may just be because I'm used to it, but I like the one we have now better. It's more compact. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 12:39, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * it's might be because you're used to seeing the other one, I personally think the second one is easier. Afkatk (talk) 12:54, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Eurovision Tagging
I just wanted to let you know since you play somewhat of a big role in the Eurovision project that I've recently gone around tagging loads of articles previously untagged which I've added to the Project hence the sudden increase from 1887 to 2084, and will be doing so till obviously I can't find anymore to tag, I thought this info might be of some interest to you. Afkatk (talk) 16:46, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes thanks, I did notice since I have many of them on my watchlist. A few months ago we went through and assessed a large amount of them to bring the assessment rate from 35-55 percent, but the overall goal is still to get them all assessed. It will be much more efficient if we have all pages at least tagged as part of the project so good job. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 17:20, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Thankyou, and I am going to try to get most assessed if not all, I've mostly tagged Artists who've competed but if there are more things to be tagged I'll eventually get around them. Afkatk (talk) 18:42, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

I just wanted to inquire about tagging Presenters, such as Graham Norton, Terry Wogan and presenters from other countries who are involved, I was wondering if I should go around tagging them as they are technically in the scope of the Eurovision. Afkatk (talk) 09:53, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh and on a note I will eventually get around to assessing most of the unassessed just saying so you don't think I'll assess and leave them unassessed. Afkatk (talk) 09:55, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I guess presenters would fall into the project as well. Isn't it easier to assess as you tag? Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 16:21, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually no it isn't, I can go a lot faster by just tagging the Talking Pages rather than taking a glance and then assessing. Afkatk (talk) 21:20, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you for inviting me to the Eurovision wiki project I joined it. And sorry for adding the lyrics yesterday I didn't knew about the copyright I just wanted to make the article much powerful :S :D !

What do you think about the article "Nesto sto kje ostane" now???

Greetings!!!

PS. I would like to hear some tips from you when creating or editing a eurovision song page... I mean steps how can i go editing the article ... greetings! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 1111tomica (talk • contribs) 16:51, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The article is much better now. This page has some hints and examples for song pages which you may find helpful. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 17:04, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

This is what I propose
I know you aren't totally wanting to change the templates at the bottom of the article the 3rd opinion stated that the 2nd would be good, and I know you are worried about some consistency with countries that haven't entered in 10 years etc, how about I draw up a table for a country like that I think Italy hasn't entered since 1997, how about I draw up a table like the Ireland one and show you what along the lines it will look like, you may not see the need for a change, but the change to be made will enhance the casual users experience. Afkatk (talk) 18:44, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I would really just like it to stay the same. I like the format and think its easy enough to navigate and there is not that much of an increase in readability to make it worth it. I'll take a look at your examples though and maybe I might cave. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 04:00, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Just because you'd like it to stay the same does not mean it wouldn't hurt to increase the readability even if it's "not much of an increase" and I've got this User:Afkatk/SandboxP5/TEMPItaly on the Italy Template and am thinking if any more improvements can be made. Afkatk (talk) 16:27, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

I know I might seem a tad impatient and I am sorry if I do, but I need an answer on this, we going with the change or not, improvements on the current Template Suggested can be improved further. Afkatk (talk) 17:20, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I just don't like it and would prefer for the templates to remain the same. If you want, the yearly contest country templates currently say "winner in bold" which needs to be changed somehow because whatever page you are on shows up as bold and its therefore misleading. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 17:29, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * My mind is working a tad slow today, but are you saying I should highlight the years the country won the contest? Afkatk (talk) 18:08, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * No sorry, lol. Look at 2008 Eurovision Song Contest entries and notice how the winner is noted. Now, click on one of the articles which did not win, and look at how the template looks at the bottom of the page: there will be two bolded entries. Another user decided this was better: :2006 Eurovision Song Contest entries, and I think so too, unless you have some other suggestion. Also, your opinion is needed concerning the naming and reference to that template here. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 18:26, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * So are you now saying you don't mind the new Template idea or are you asking my opinion on a totally different template for an idea on the one I'm working on? and I think the second Template idea is better than the bolded. and I shall review and comment on the one thing you posted. Afkatk (talk) 18:36, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I changed the subject and still don't like the new way you are suggesting :p . I figured that if you wanna fool around with some templates, do it to the ones that have an obvious problem. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 18:37, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I looked at these templates and saw improvements could be made, I'm going to fool around with these templates because the Improvements can be made, you may not agree with the change but I think the change is good for them and even if it means increasing the readability by just a fraction I think it's worth it tbh. Afkatk (talk) 18:45, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Well you can't actually change them without consensus, so we need to have a central discussion with many people involved. If you make a (non biased) proposal on the project talk page, I can put a note about it on next months newsletter. What i mean by non-biased is make the proposal like blah blah there is an idea to change the templates to this form, but don't mention any reasons you have to do so. Then make a discussion section and this is where you would say why you think it should be changed. If you start it, I can help format the discussion and whole process. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 18:49, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * If this will make the whole decision go faster than I shall make a new talk section on the Eurovision Project talk. Afkatk (talk) 18:51, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Just so I don't screw this up this is what I've got the proposal (I've added non-wiki marks to certain areas. Afkatk (talk) 18:59, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

A suggestion has been made to change the country navigation box from the above format as an example of the current format, to the proposed format below. Please leave your opinions below.

~ Just post it and I'll fix it as I see fit. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 19:02, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

RE:Sourcing
Done, it's now a sourced piece :) A bloke called AndrewConvosMy Messies 17:36, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

There's an error!
There's an error while adding sources. If you can fix it, these are the sources: Swedish airplay chart: http://www.sr.se/cgi-bin/p3/tracks/index.asp?taskid=1 Swedish dance chart: http://www.deejaypromo.com/charts.asp Eurochart hot 100: http://www.charly1300.com/eurosingles.htm

Please, change only the is currently staying! I can't find any reason changing all the chart text! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ktar (talk • contribs) 01:21, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject International relations
Hi, I left you a comment at the WikiProject Internal relations talk page. Thanks, Jafeluv (talk) 06:53, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

yes I do
yes I do have an MSN, afrotwinky08@hotmail.com. Afkatk (talk) 01:13, 30 April 2009 (UTC)