User talk:Gronk Oz/Archive 3

Thank you for your help with Micro Center Wikipedia page!4119Leap (talk) 18:49, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
Hello, [[ping|Gronk Oz}}. Thank you very much for editing the Micro Center article. I noticed some changes are needed. There is an error in paragraph 3 after "Dealerscope" where "18th larges" should be "18th largest." [1] article is based on [2] This documents that John Baker and Bill Bayne are founders of Micro Center. Change 2nd sentence in first paragraph to "It was founded in Columbus, Ohio in 1979 by John Baker and Bill Bayne, two former Radio Shark employees." and [3] change 2nd key person in Infobox to Peggy Wolfe, COO [4]Ed Mershad is not a Vice President of Micro Center

http://tsdr.uspto.gov/documentviewer?caseid=sn86039796&docid=FTK20130820072050#docindex=11&page=1,/ref. add 3rd key person in Infobox John Noble, CFO4119Leap (talk) 17:18, 31 October 2016 (UTC)4119Leap (talk) 18:46, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Jump up ^ www.mergentintellect.com.webproxy3/index.php/search/companyDetails/99723066/history Jump up ^ Franklin, Peter D.(1990-11-04)."The Miracle on Lane Avenue."The Columbus Dispatch.Retrieved 2016-10-27. Jump up ^ www.linkedin.com/in/peggy-wolfe-0460568 Jump up ^ https://www.linkedin.com/in/ed-mershad-34359513?authType=NAME_SEARCH&authToken=brM7&locale=en_US&trk=tyah&trkInfo=clickedVertical%3Amynetwork%2CentityType%3AentityHistoryName%2CclickedEntityId%3Amynetwork_46229667%2Cidx%3A0Hello, [[ping|Gronk Oz}}. Thank you very much for editing the Micro Center article. I noticed some changes are needed. There is an error in paragraph 3 after "Dealerscope" where "18th larges" should be "18th largest." [1] article is based on [2] This documents that John Baker and Bill Bayne are founders of Micro Center. Change 2nd sentence in first paragraph to "It was founded in Columbus, Ohio in 1979 by John Baker and Bill Bayne, two former Radio Shark employees." and [3] change 2nd key person in Infobox to Peggy Wolfe, COO [4]Ed Mershad is not a Vice President of Micro Center

http://tsdr.uspto.gov/documentviewer?caseid=sn86039796&docid=FTK20130820072050#docindex=11&page=1,/ref. add 3rd key person in Infobox John Noble, CFO4119Leap (talk) 17:18, 31 October 2016 (UTC)4119Leap (talk) 18:46, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Jump up ^ www.mergentintellect.com.webproxy3/index.php/search/companyDetails/99723066/history Jump up ^ Franklin, Peter D.(1990-11-04)."The Miracle on Lane Avenue."The Columbus Dispatch.Retrieved 2016-10-27. Jump up ^ www.linkedin.com/in/peggy-wolfe-0460568 Jump up ^ https://www.linkedin.com/in/ed-mershad-34359513?authType=NAME_SEARCH&authToken=brM7&locale=en_US&trk=tyah&trkInfo=clickedVertical%3Amynetwork%2CentityType%3AentityHistoryName%2CclickedEntityId%3Amynetwork_46229667%2Cidx%3A04119Leap (talk) 18:49, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for your help with Micro Center Wikipedia page!
It was so kind of you to add a 3rd paragraph to the Micro Center Wikipedia page - thank you!

I think I made a mistake in what I sent you. My questions of course deal with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro_Center. Micro Center is my employer, so I can't directly edit the Micro Center page. Here are the edits I'm trying to figure out how to put onto my Talk page or find help with:

I noticed some changes are needed. There is an error in paragraph 3 after "Dealerscope" where "18th larges" should be "18th largest."

article is based on This documents that John Baker and Bill Bayne are founders of Micro Center. Change 2nd sentence in first paragraph to "It was founded in Columbus, Ohio in 1979 by John Baker and Bill Bayne, two former Radio Shark employees."

and change 2nd key person in Infobox to Peggy Wolfe, COO

Ed Mershad is NOT a Vice President of Micro Center

http://tsdr.uspto.gov/documentviewer?caseid=sn86039796&docid=FTK20130820072050#docindex=11&page=1,/ref. add 3rd key person in Infobox John Noble, CFO4119Leap (talk) 17:18, 31 October 2016 (UTC)4119Leap (talk) 18:46, 1 November 2016 (UTC)4119Leap (talk) 19:15, 1 November 2016 (UTC)


 * I left a detailed reply on your Talk page, where this initially came up.--Gronk Oz (talk) 07:30, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for your help with Micro Center Wikipedia page - Part2
Dear Gronk Oz, I am so grateful for your help - thank you so much! I have a big meeting this morning and will work on additional sources this afternoon: 1. Peggy Wolfe is COO and assistant secretary to the board of directors; I will look for additional sources documenting her position 2. I will look for additional references for our CFO John Noble 3. I believe Forbes lists our competitors as Amazon, Best Buy, Fry's Electronics and Newegg; CompUSA is out of business; I will send references for a new "See Also" section 4. The sites which you were unable to open are available only to those with a membership - can I download the reference and send it? Thanks again, 4119 Leap66.194.187.100 (talk) 13:43, 2 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks for clarifying that, / .  And thanks for sticking with this process - I know it must be frustrating to go through another person, but it should mean the article is less likely to be challenged or messed up be other editors.
 * I have added Peggy Wolfe and John Noble as the COO and CFO, while you look for some sort of reference to support it.
 * My initial inclination is to get rid of the "See also" section as it is; it doesn't really contribute to the article, but I am perfectly willing to be convinced otherwise if there is a reason to keep it.
 * As for the "dead" links, I am a bit surprised because they never asked me to sign in - instead they said the page could not be found. If I have read correctly, they are intended to support the roles of Peggy Wolfe and John Noble, which might come from elsewhere anyway.  If they are still required, the need for a signin does not have to be a hurdle if we can provide all the relevant citation details. So if still needed, please check to confirm that you have the correct address for them both, then let me know the statement and citation details. --Gronk Oz (talk) 14:51, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

More Micro Center Documentation
Dear Gronk Oz,

1. The correct URL to show John Noble is CFO is http://tsdr.uspto.gov/documentviewer?caseId=sn86039796&docId=FTK20130820072050#docIndex=11&page=1 This is a U.S. trademark application and Mr. Noble's name (Signatory's Name) and title (Signatory's Title) appear in the "Signature Information" section at the bottom of the data table
 * ✅ - it's not a good reference but better than nothing...

2a. Peggy Wolfe's title does appear in her LinkedIn profile at https://www.linkedin.com/in/peggy-wolfe-0460568 2b. Peggy Wolfe appeared in a photograph of the ribbon-cutting of Micro Center's Grand Opening at its Yonkers, NY store. This photo gave her name and title, and appeared in The Westchester County Business Journal http://westfaironline.com/33725/electronics-store-opens-in-yonkers/ The photo was downloaded 7/30/10 2c. Peggy Wolfe is mentioned as COO here: https://leadferret.com/directory/person/peggy-wolfe/2997861
 * ✅ - I used the leadferret reference, because Linkedin is not an acceptable source (it's just what people write about themselves).

3. http://www.dealerscope.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2016/03/DS0316-Top-101-Retailers.pdf?x56979 In the company news column in the far right of the table for Dealerscope's Top 101 CE Retailers, it's noted that Micro Center has stores "in 16 states, including California, Massachusetts and New York;" I would like to add "including California, Massachusetts and New York" to the end of the final sentence in paragraph one of the Micro Center Wikipedia article in order to illustrate the geographic breadth of the company in the U.S.
 * ✅ - it sounds a little bit promotional in tone, so be prepared that somebody might remove it later, but it's there for now.

4a. https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/microcenter-vs-the-world.149350/ see quote from Jul 20, 2011 at 8:12 PM by Arctucas on which competitors Micro Center will price-match. This shows that for the "See also" section, Micro Center's customers (and store managers) consider the company's primary competitors to be Newegg.com, TigerDirect.com, and Fry's Electronics
 * ❌ - This is a blog which is not a good source, so I used Hoover's below.

4b. http://www.hoovers.com/company-information/cs/company-profile.micro_electronics_inc.ac90cb8bb5681877.html downloaded 11/2/16. For "See also," Hoover's alternatively lists Micro Center's primary competitors as these publicly-traded companies: Best Buy Co.,Inc; PC Connection,Inc; and Amazon.com,Inc.; Using either group of competitors in the "See also" section would help readers position Micro Center against better known firms
 * ✅ - that Hoover's reference is a great one, so I used that and also used it to describe the stores in the lead (as you suggest below, which I read afterwards!)

5.http://www.hoovers.com/company-information/cs/company-profile.micro_electronics_inc.ac90cb8bb5681877.html downloaded 11/2/16. In order to give readers a better description of what the stores are actually like, in paragraph 2, I suggest we replace "In addition to selling the name brand products of a multitude of manufacturers..."

Using Hoover's description, one could modify the sentence to read "The stores, which span up to 60,000 sq. ft., stock about 36,000 products across 700 categories, including desktop and notebook computers from manufacturers such as Apple and HP, Micro Center also sells products under a variety of its own brand names." This concisely describes Micro Center's product assortment, store size, and most important vendors.
 * ✅ - I can't copy the exact words (that would be removed as a copyright violation), so I paraphrased it.

Thank you again for your very kind assistance 19:30, 2 November 2016 (UTC) (talk) 19:35, 2 November 2016 (UTC)4119Leap (talk) 19:38, 2 November 2016 (UTC)


 * My pleasure, - Wikipedia works best when it is a co-operative effort.  You have done the heavy lifting with finding the references.  --Gronk Oz (talk) 08:12, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

The Micro Center photo is out of date
Dear Gronk Oz, Micro Center built a new store in Houston which opened in 2015 - see http://www.chron.com/life/health/article/S-P-selected-to-build-new-Micro-Center-store-near-9898197.php We could change the caption on the current image to "The original Micro Center store in Houston." Is there a way to send you a high-res image of the new Houston store or one of our other newer stores?

Thanks4119Leap (talk) 20:17, 2 November 2016 (UTC)


 * ✅ - I changed the caption and used that reference.
 * It is easy enoughto upload a new picture, provided you take it yourself. We can't use the one from that newspaper article, because the paper owns the copyright for it.  If you take one, the simplest way is to upload it yourself: I'm happy to talk you through the process.--Gronk Oz (talk) 08:33, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Thanks so much!
Dear Gronk Oz, You have been wonderful to help me improve the Micro Center Wikipedia page and to give careful instructions with each edit. I can't tell you how much I appreciate this.

1. I wonder if at this point the "This article needs additional citations for verification" box still needs to be there

2. I have a beautiful photograph I took of Micro Center's Columbus, OH store; am I allowed to upload it or would it be better coming from a Wikipedian such as yourself? I have generated this info from the upload wizard: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Micro_Center%27s_Columbus_OH_store.jpg
 * ✅ Nice photo indeed. You have already uploaded it, using the upload wizard.  There was almost nothing left for me to do.  I was not sure whether you wanted this to replace the existing picture or to be there as well; at the moment they are both there, which might be overkill - let me know.

3. Micro Center has had Apple departments since 1982 and has separate departments for Dell and HP; I'll try to find documentation from reliable sources
 * ✅ - I added this with a citation needed so we can add the citation when it is found.

Thanks, 4119 Leap4119Leap (talk) 15:17, 3 November 2016 (UTC) 4119Leap (talk) 15:38, 3 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Again, it's my pleasure - you already had that photo there (from a year ago), so it's easy.  I did have a couple of questions to clarify in the article:
 * It says the founders were "former Radio Shark employees". Is that right, or should it read "Radio Shack"?
 * The text says the first store was a small one in Upper Arlington, Ohio. But the caption for the first photo said it was "the original Micro Center store in Houston, Texas" (implying it was the first store).  So I changed that to read "the former store..."
 * Are the departments for Apple, Dell and HP in each store, or some stores, or are they a corporate structure? If they are in-store, it would be good to say so.
 * You will notice I also added some more headings. If you don't like them I can get rid of them; the article is small enough that it could get my without them.  --Gronk Oz (talk) 17:22, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

More Micro Center corrections
1. Thank you for adding the Micro Center Columbus photo; I think the former Houston store is overkill and would like to replace the photo with an image of an Apple department (which we offer in all stores); I have added links below to our Queens, NY Apple Department: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_Apple_Department_at_the_Queens,_NY_Micro_Center.jpg

2. The founders were "Radio Shack" employees, NOT "Radio Shark" employees

3. The 1st store was in Upper Arlington, OH; the previous Houston store was built much later

4. The Dell department is only in Micro Center's North Jersey store; the HP department has been integrated with other desktop and portable computers; since Dell is only in one store, let's leave it out

I like your headings very well; thanks so much for adding them!4119Leap (talk) 19:09, 3 November 2016 (UTC)


 * - Isn't it good to see what can come from asking a question at the TeaHouse? I think this article is in pretty good shape now, but please feel free to contact me if anything else needs to be done. --Gronk Oz (talk) 00:54, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

4119Leap (talk) 14:35, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Have some questions about an article
Hey Gronk. Is it kosher for me to ask you to look at a page? I have some questions about the Victoria Park article. Thanks. Phatblackmama (talk) 18:41, 3 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Hello again, - yes of course.  What are your questions? --Gronk Oz (talk) 00:27, 4 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Actually, it is with another page. Can you please look at Mid-City, Los Angeles regarding the inclusion of "The Comedy Union" under the heading "Landmarks and Attractions". I have multiple citations and yet a user keeps deleting it. What am I not understanding? Please read the comments are on the article's Talk page and let me know. Thanks. Phatblackmama (talk) 20:51, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Micro Center documentation
Dear Gronk Oz, It's amazing how much better the Micro Center page looks due to your kindness in helping me.

For the sentence "Micro Center has had Apple departments in all stores since 1982, and some stores also have separate departments for Dell and Hewlett-Packard.[citation needed], The Columbus Dispatch "Miracle on Lane Avenue" article is the source for the information on Apple departments.

I can find no references on Micro Center's Dell or HP departments, so perhaps we could change the sentence to ""Micro Center has had Apple departments in all stores since 1982, and has included 'Build Your Own PC' departments, 'Knowledge Bars' for service and support, and 'Knowledge Theaters' for free classes on weekends since 2007." The source for this is: Verdon, Joan, March 16, 2007, "Micro Center Opens First New Jersey Store," The Record, http://www.northjersey.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXkyMiZmZ2JlbDdmN3ZxZWVFRXl5NzEyMzM2Mw==, downloaded 3/16/07

Thank you, 4119 leap4119Leap (talk) 14:34, 4 November 2016 (UTC)4119Leap (talk) 14:35, 4 November 2016 (UTC)


 * , though that URL is dead (404 Page not found). I found the article (albeit with a different title) on the paper's web site, though it is subscription-only.  That's not a problem in itself, but it means I can't get a URL for the individual article and I can't use the search URL (http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_multi=BE|&p_product=NJMNP&p_theme=njmnp&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&s_dispstring=Steady%20as%20she%20grows) either because it contains a vertical bar that breaks Wikipedia's cite template.  So for now I have left it there with the dead URL, and I will look into how to handle this.
 * I also have a minor concern that the section is starting to read a bit like an advertisement, but if it's all sourced from an independent article that should hopefully be okay.--Gronk Oz (talk) 16:32, 4 November 2016 (UTC)


 * I had to ask for help on this one: if you are interested to follow it, the question is at Help_desk.--Gronk Oz (talk) 16:43, 4 November 2016 (UTC)


 * ✅, the Help Desk came through with the solution. Gronk Oz (talk) 03:25, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

Mid City
Hey Gronk...just updating the question I posted above....

On the Mid-City, Los Angeles page, I listed a club, The Comedy Union, with the following citation: http://articles.latimes.com/2008/nov/10/entertainment/et-blackcomedy10


 * Question 1: Was this citation insufficient in order to simply list this club under "neighborhood attractions"?

User BeenAroundAWhile deleted the mention of this comedy club when it had the above citation. I undid his deletion, and luckily found an additional citation, one from Los Angeles Magazine. Now, with the additional citation, BeenAroundAWhile says the mention of the club can stay, but he deleted the L.A. Times citation above. He said that the L.A. Times citation "doesn't support notability".


 * Question 2: Does the citation have to "support notability" in order to remain?

I looked over the wikipedia "content removal" article and it listed the following reasons for removing information: 2.1 Reasons 2.1.1 Unsourced information 2.1.2 Inaccurate information 2.1.3 Information moved to another article 2.1.4 Irrelevant information 2.1.5 Inappropriate content for Wikipedia 2.1.6 Author's own addition

Under the above guidelines, I don't understand why the L.A. Times citation needs to be removed. Please advise Phatblackmama (talk) 21:42, 6 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Hello, . I have been caught up with other commitments lately, and will be tomorrow as well. I hope to have some time to look at your questions on Wednesday; sorry for the delay.--Gronk Oz (talk) 08:27, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

More on Micro Center
Dear Gronk Oz, I paid to access the Micro Center articles from The Record on Northjersey.com. I uncovered another article by Joan Verdon entitled "Service is their password - Computer chain to open N.J. store" Based on this, please consider adding info after the second sentence in the History section:

Due to its proximity to The Ohio State University and scientific think-tank Battelle Memorial Institute, the store was able to draw from a large number of potential customers and computer-literate salespeople.

I think the fact that the store was in an ideal location to reach potential customers and to hire salespeople from Ohio State was important to the store's success and is a significant part of its history.

Verdon, Joan (March 16, 2007). "Service is their password - Computer chain to open N.J. store" Paid subscription required. The Record. Hackensack, NJ. p. B01. Retrieved 8 November 2016.

Thanks for considering this addition and all of your amazing help! 4119 Leap4119Leap (talk) 23:49, 8 November 2016 (UTC)


 * ✅. I will assume good faith that this is what the article says, but not so close that it is violating their copyright. The other reference from The Record has a URL as well.  If there is a URL for this one, we can add that to the reference (which will be noted as "subscription required").--Gronk Oz (talk) 00:31, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

URL for Micro Center history article
Dear GronkOz,

The URL showing for the paid article is: http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_action=doc&p_docid=117EB8129250F700&p_docnum=6&s_orderid=NB0116110915301402725&s_dlid=DL0116110915312315418&s_ecproduct=SBK-W3&s_ecprodtype=NORENEW&s_trackval=&s_siteloc=&s_referrer=&s_subterm=Subscription%20until%3A%2011%2F16%2F2016&s_docsbal=Docs%20remaining%3A%202&s_subexpires=11%2F16%2F2016&s_docstart=3&s_docsleft=2&s_docsread=1&s_username=MicroCenter&s_accountid=AC0116110821342205611&s_upgradeable=no

The orignial URL was: http://www.northjersey.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXkzJmZnYmVsN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXk3MDk0MDIw

The original URL for "Steady as She Grows" was: http://www.northjersey.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXkyMiZmZ2JlbDdmN3ZxZWVFRXl5NzEyMzM2Mw==

I paraphrased the article so as not to violate copyrights.

Thank you again, 4119Leap66.194.187.100 (talk) 15:38, 9 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks, /, but now I'm not sure that those URLs will be useful after all.  The two "original URLs" to northjersey.com both give error "404 - Page Not Found".  The other one (for the paid article) gives the folllowing error message: "Error: servlet106b: Your search session has expired."  The  intention of including as much information in a reference as possible is to assist a reader who might want to follow up the source.  And in this case, I don't think any of those URLs will help.  Sorry to waste your time like that; I naively thought there might be a simple, usable URL.  But it seems not, so I'm inclined not to include them.    They are not required.  Let me know if you feel strongly otherwise. --Gronk Oz (talk) 03:42, 10 November 2016 (UTC)


 * ✅ / : I found other URLs that seem to work for me; I hope they work for other readers.  (Cookies can mess this up terribly!) --Gronk Oz (talk) 04:34, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

unreferenced?
I'm not sure what you mean when you say Beyond the Ice Limit does not cite any sources? Are the three there not enough to count? I will keep adding more if I can. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by K1317 (talk • contribs) 13:52, 22 November 2016 (UTC)


 * when I looked at the article, it did not display what is now the Reception section and beyond, which is where the references are. There are now four refs, and I have removed that unreferenced tag.  You might also care to look at how I have formatted the references using the cite templates, which gives better information for the readers.  Good luck with your efforts on the article, and the ones to follow... --Gronk Oz (talk) 14:03, 22 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks very much for the help! I already followed your example in the next one that I added. -- K1317 —Preceding undated comment added 14:04, 22 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Looks good. --Gronk Oz (talk) 14:15, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

COLONEL ABRAMS
Hello my name is Wanda Abrams, Colonel Abrams (sister) The information on Wikipedia is incorrect. Birth date July 18, 1951 and date of death November 24, 2016. I update the site it but my information was removed. It is a little difficult moving around this site using the TALK. Someone needs to change the wrong information on the site if i cannot change it. What will be my next step to make this happen. Baybreezz (talk) 16:58, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

@Baybreezz: Welcome to the Teahouse, and please accept our condolences. The reason the changes were reverted is because all the press sources say he was 67 years old when he died, which is not consistent with the information you give above. If you can suggest a good, reliable source with the correct date then we can use that to update the article. --Gronk Oz (talk) 17:07, 28 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks you, I did a typo changing the year to 1951. Not sure how to go about the since that because he is my brother and we are in the process of getting all final paperwork (death Cerf, etc) Just who ever place this birth date and death date in line is disrespect to his family. Not sure what you need from me or us. Can you remove it for now leaving the birth dated & death dated open? My family is trying our best to discard what the media is showing or saying and staying focus moving forward. If you should request a number, or email address from me I am fine with that. Please... Thank you Baybreezz (talk) 17:21, 28 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks for letting me know, . To make sure eveybody stays informed, I have copied your comments over to the TeaHouse and that is the best place to continue to conversation.  Please stick with it; I understand this is a difficult period and we will help to get it sorted out.--Gronk Oz (talk) 17:55, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

More Micro Center Documentation
Dear Gronk Oz, I have uncovered some Columbus Dispatch articles which reveal more about Micro Center's founding and have paraphrased the following:

1. Micro Center was founded in 1979 with a $35,000 investment ($115,000 in current dollars). Source is. Dollar calculation is from CarInsuranceData.com.
 * The date was already there; I added the initial investment. I'm not sure there is much value in converting to today's values, and that will get out of date, and it might be pushing the bounds of a Wikipedia policy against "synthesis".  If you feel there is a need for it then let me know and we can discuss it.

2. Micro Center's goal was to do $30 million in sales in their first year. They did $29.9 million. Source is Columbus Dispatch DFAS Magazine, "Doing the Right Thing Right," December,1995, p 12.

3. Also from WBNS-10TV, the CBS affiliate in Columbus, Ohio is a recent story on Micro Center:

Micro Center was the first retailer in the United States to sell the DJI Mavic Pro drone, and the first to host the DJUI Mavic Pro Experience (this was a 3-day demo in our Columbus, OH store's parking lot which was open to the press on Friday 11/18 and Sat 11/19 and to the public on Su/11/19

The article is based on a press release which appeared on PR Newswire
 * ✅, though it's starting to get close to being promotional - let's leave it there and see if anybody complains. This didn't really fit in the existing sections, so I created a new one "Public profile", where we will be able to put future events that are notable enough to get significant media coverage.

4. The same story from WBNS-10TV also mentions: In 2009, Micro Center developed "18-minute" pickup, a service where customers can order merchandise on the Micro Center website and have it ready to pick up in just 18 minutes in the store's Will-Call area.
 * ✅, though again it is close to being promotional.

Thank you again for all you have done to rescue our formerly distressed looking Wikipedia stub4119Leap (talk) 23:49, 8 December 2016 (UTC)


 * My pleasure, and thanks for bearing with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines that are so different from other sites.  I reworded the material you sent to integrate into the article; let me know if you want it changed.--Gronk Oz (talk) 14:16, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Micro Center - Differentiated on customer service
Dear Gronk Oz, Thank you for the changes you made December 12th - I am very pleased with all of your decisions.

One of the major ways Micro Center has differentiated itself from "big box" retailers is through better customer service and highly-trained career salespeople with compensation schemes and training similar to high-service retailers such as Nordstrom. I have paraphrased the article by.

I have paraphrased the following two paragraphs from the article: Customer service and skilled salespeople are the chain’s claim to fame. Their salespeople, compared to others in the industry, are extremely well trained, according to Doug Olenick, an editor at TWICE, a major consumer electronics trade publication.

Joan Verdon of The Record (Hackensack, NJ) noted that Micro Center considers itself a high-service alternative to warehouse-style big box stores, although it also notes that its stores carry a larger selection of computer-related items than the biggest of the big boxes. Beyond computers, the stores sell gaming consoles, televisions and unlocked cellphones, plus computer parts for cyber-geeks who build their own PCs.

Thank you for looking at these proposed additions. 4119Leap (talk) 22:26, 15 December 2016 (UTC)


 * A couple of things to clarify. First, do you have a URL for that reference?  (I know it needs a subscription, but even if I can't see it, a URL helps to make it verifiable which Wikipedia people love.)  Secondly, the best way to handle comments like that, which are viewpoints rather than objective, would be to attribute it to who said it.  You did this in the first paragraph, attributing it to Doug Olenick.  So if we can do something similar with the second para it would be better.  As it stands, it's just what Micro Center has to say about itself, and that isn't really independent. So can we quote somebody else, or phrase it like the first one? --Gronk Oz (talk) 11:59, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

1. I have attributed the paraphrase of the second paragraph to Joan Verdon of The Record 2. Here is the original URL for the "Service is their password - Computer chain to open N.J. store" article: http://www.northjersey.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXkzJmZnYmVsN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXk3MDk0MDIw 4119Leap (talk) 20:32, 20 December 2016 (UTC)66.194.187.100 (talk) 16:17, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Jillabus page on Gault site
Thanks very much for the help, Gronk Oz. (Does that mean you're an Aussie? Me too.) As you can tell, I'm a real newbie at this. I'd like to change the title from "Gault archaeological site" to "Gault site" as that is more probably what would be used to search for it. How do I do that?

Instead of the embedded external links, I should just embed the URLs? And then remove those from the external links list at the end? Jillabus (talk) 17:18, 18 December 2016 (UTC)


 * G'day . I wanted the user name "Gronk" which I have used on computers since the 1970s, but somebody beat me to it on Wikipedia. So I put "Oz" on the end - as you guessed - because I come from Godzone. There are quite a few Aussies on Wikipedia, though you can't generally tell. Some mention it on their User page, some don't.
 * Anyhow, to your question: there are a couple of ways to tackle this situation. It seems to me (in my ignorance) that a reader might look for either name, or perhaps just the key word "Gault", so what I did is:
 * I created a new page Gault site which is a "redirect" to the existing article. So if a reader looks for "Gault site" they are taken straight to the "Gault archaeological site" article, invisibly.  Try it yourself, using this link: Gault site.  (Note that the first link earlier in this paragraph had to use special code to avoid being redirected; normal readers will never see that redirect page directly.)
 * I also added an entry on the Gault (disambiguation) page pointing to your article, so people can find it using just that keyword.
 * I hope these meet with your approval. The other option would have been to Move the article to the new name (this is how Wikipedia manages "renaming" an article: it is moved to the new name).  The option to do this is under the "More" drop-down near the top of the page - but it would probably have needed the redirect anyhow, so the reader could find the article either way, so I like to think that I saved one step.
 * I can only see four external links in the body of the article (all in "History"), and without investigating in detail, they seem like reasonable candidates to meet the criteria for external links. So as you suggest, the links should be moved to the "External links" section at the end.  While at it, it would help to supply a few words about those links to indicate why each one is there (so the first one might say something like "Gault School of Archaeological Research - manages and administers the site".) --Gronk Oz (talk) 22:58, 18 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Well, I see the helper elves have been over your article and it is now called "Gault (archaeological site)".  You should be very happy with the result: some very experienced editors have pitched in there, and only minor changes came out of it.  Also, I see that the article was rated "B" class, which is exceptional for a relatively new editor - only one step below a formal "Good Article".  To put it in perspective, WikiProject Archaeology covers 9,808 articles, and only 426 of those are rated "B" or above.  Well done. --Gronk Oz (talk) 03:09, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks so much for your help,.

Thanks Gronk Oz, I will follow your helpful advice. I'm such a novice I didn't know how to respond in a way that would copy back your comments. I'm so appreciative of the helpfulness of the Wikipedia community, yourself in particular in this case. Dirrigeree Dirrigeree (talk) 12:31, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Dirrigeree draft New England Regional Art Museum
Thanks Gronk Oz, I will follow your helpful advice. I'm such a novice I didn't know how to respond in a way that would copy back your comments. I'm so appreciative of the helpfulness of the Wikipedia community, yourself in particular in this case. Dirrigeree Dirrigeree (talk) 12:32, 8 January 2017 (UTC)


 * That's cool, we were all new, not long ago.  For next time, the normal way to reply to a message is on the same page where it started: so if somebody leaves a message on your Talk page it's normal to reply there.  This keeps the whole stream of the conversation together, and it becomes particularly important when more that one person gets involved in the discussion.  It helps to notify the other person using ping or u, so they know you have replied there - for example, this message starts with "  ". --Gronk Oz (talk) 13:04, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

I actually couldn't find a button to press to respond to you, but I think I just got it, and I'm trying it now. That button is "edit source" no? It didn't occur to me that my way of responding to you would be to edit (which in my old-world mind means to have the power to change and delete) YOUR stuff. Well, we'll see if this works when I sign it and press 'Save Changes'.Dirrigeree (talk) 02:07, 10 January 2017 (UTC)


 * That worked perfectly,, and that is exactly how it's done. You can press Edit at the top of the page (which edits the whole page), or next to the heading for a section (which edits just that section). If you're using a mobile device, it has an icon that looks a bit like a pencil to do the same thing.  As you say, technically it would allow you to change or delete previous stuff, but that is frowned on.  And it's all captured in the page History so somebody would notice, revert it, and suggest (in the nicest way) that it's not the preferred etiquette.
 * Another Talk-page convention that helps the process along, is that generally each successive comment gets indented one more level. This is done by starting the paragraph with a colon " : ".  Or two colons " :: " for two levels, etc.  Again, this becomes more useful when multiple people get involved in a conversation - scan across some of the debates at Help desk and you'll see what I mean.  --Gronk Oz (talk) 03:21, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

Floor spring history
Thanks Gronk Oz for your advice it was much more personable than the previous advisor and easier to follow for me. Much needed for a noobie I feel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rod Fathers (talk • contribs) 09:14, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

Rod Fathers (talk) 09:25, 14 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks, . I'm new enough myself that I can remember what it's like to have people just quote the rules all the time... --Gronk Oz (talk) 11:38, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

You weren't in the Teahouse
Be careful when answering Help Desk questions. Sometimes I get mixed up and can't remember which place I am, but I no longer answer new questions. My new computer didn't like really large pages and I never tried to catch up once I was looking only at archives.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  19:36, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
 * OOPS, how embarrassing! Thanks for pointing that out, I did drop the ball there.  Fortunately no harm done in this case, since my comments would have been the same in either place.  But it could have been confusing for the person who asked the questions, and I take your point: maybe I need to stop editing after midnight.--Gronk Oz (talk) 21:11, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

A 2nd look at Micro Center Service and Employee Traning
Dear Gronk Oz, I have paraphrased the article by.

I have paraphrased a couple of points from the article: Meeting customer’s needs with a high level of service and skilled salespeople are Micro Center’s claim to fame, noted Joan Verdon of the Record. The store’s salespeople, compared to others in the industry, are extremely well trained, according to Doug Olenick, an editor at TWICE, a major consumer electronics trade publication.

Thank you for taking a look at these potential additions.4119Leap (talk) 21:22, 16 January 2017 (UTC)


 * ✅ Hi again.  I have added a new sub-section "Press reception" where I have put this, because it didn't fit well elsewhere.  The new URL you provided above does not work for me: it gives an error 404 ("page not found").  I did rearrange the sentences so the form "X said Y", which is the convention in Wikipedia, but the content is the same.  I can't see a reference to support the second comment, from Doug Olenick, so for now I have tagged it.
 * We need to be careful about adding press coverage though, because I can't verify whether this is representative of all the things being said about it. How do I know there aren't other articles saying negative things, which should be given equal weight in the article?  Or even in the same article; I can't see it, so I will just assume you're giving me a fair summary and not cherry-picking.  But if it starts to look like a collection of favourable clippings it might attract closer scrutiny from other editors. --Gronk Oz (talk) 06:59, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your help with "press reception" for Micro Center
Dear Gronk Oz: Thank you for adding the "Press Reception" section to the Micro Center Wikipedia page - we greatly appreciate your kindness in helping us improve the page.

Joan Verdon of The Record contacted Doug Olenick of TWICE for her article and quoted him in it, so the citation for both statements I paraphrased is the same.

Thank you also for your constructive admonition regarding quoting the press. I want to explain that most U.S. retail reporter positions have been eliminated and those that remain tend to focus on women's fashion, so it's now more difficult to achieve coverage associated with Micro Center that discusses our service and training in depth.

Please forgive me for nitpicking, but since "Press Reception" could be perhaps be confused with an event, would a heading of "Media Reaction" be consistent with Wikipedia's guidelines? Thanks again. I hope this was the proper place to respond. 4119Leap (talk) 20:44, 18 January 2017 (UTC)


 * ✅ Thanks for clarifying that. --Gronk Oz (talk) 01:43, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

DYK for John Dwyer (medicine)
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:01, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

unreferenced
Hello, thank you for reviewing the page on Museum in the Kulturbrauerei. I have added references now and linked to the page from Kulturbrauerei, so that it is not an orphan page anymore. It would be great if you could remove the unreferenced and orphan tag. Thank you very much in advance! — Preceding unsigned comment added by HistorischInformiert (talk • contribs) 14:38, 19 January 2017 (UTC)


 * ✅ That was quick!  I have removed the tags.  In general, you are welcome to remove such tags yourself once you have fixed the issue. --Gronk Oz (talk) 14:46, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Thank you very much!

Pinging users
FYI per this edit, pings don't work unless they're signed with four tildes and they occur on a new line; simply adding the ping template won't ping the user. See WP:Notifications for how they work. — k6ka  🍁 ( Talk ·  Contributions ) 13:01, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. The annoying thing is that I knew that already.  So does it count as learning something today, if it's something I knew before but obviously slipped my mind?--Gronk Oz (talk) 13:05, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I guess you "learned that you learned something before", if that makes any sense. — k6ka  🍁 ( Talk  ·  Contributions ) 13:12, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

SS Graigaur
I've reverted your alteration of convoy numbers. They were correct to begin with, per the quoted sources. Mjroots (talk) 13:47, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see now where AWB mistook those convoy numbers for distances, and formatted them as such. Thanks for fixing it. --Gronk Oz (talk) 13:50, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
 * No real harm done, rest of the edit was good. Mjroots (talk) 14:00, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Minoru Onoda
Thanks very much for your edits, much appreciated. I am quite new to Wikipedia, Reto Retow (talk) 09:26, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

"Ask an Engineer" webcast with Micro Center CEO conducted by Ms. Limar "Lady Ada" Fried, MIT Hacker, Engineer and founder of Adafruit
Dear Gronk Oz, Recently Micro Center's CEO, Rick Mershad, gave an interview to Ms. Limar "Lady Ada" Fried. She is an electrical engineering graduate of MIT, a hacker, founder of Adafruit, and a leader in the Open Source community. Here is a link to the interview - The interview deals with the history and future of both Micro Center and the DIY/Maker community. The interview is structured primarily to be of interest to "Ask as Engineer" weekly pod-cast viewers, so it's not unlike interviews from other technology media. I have transcribed the interview. Please let me know if you think any of this content would be considered appropriate for Wikipedia. If so, I can send paraphrases of the most significant content. Thank you!4119Leap (talk) 18:49, 2 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks for sending that, . I have just returned from seeing the eye surgeon for a detached retina, so I need to limit my computer time for the coming week or so - I will attach this after that.  --Gronk Oz (talk) 23:21, 2 February 2017 (UTC)  Thank you so much. I wish you a speedy and complete recovery. 4119Leap (talk) 14:51, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Deletion criteria
Hi, I saw your convo on another user's page about proper application of BLProd, and that user directed you to a page he created on "policy." Please note that the person in question is not an admin or expert on policy and has his own unique take on things that he applies. His article is not official, just his own opinion. You would be much better off seeking clarification at the WP:TEAHOUSE than relying on him. JamesG5 (talk) 19:40, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that, . My original question was about why that particular editor did what he did, and I think he answered that quite well.  And I learned something in the process, that the criteria for initially placing the BLP PROD are different than the criteria for it remaining in place.  I checked that aspect in the actual policy to confirm it and to understand it.  I'm still not sure whether I agree it is a good approach, but his comments seem to be consistent with the policy.  Is there any particular aspect of his comments that you think I should be careful with? --Gronk Oz (talk) 21:28, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
 * See this ANI thread, a number of editors & admins discuss issues with his handling of several things, this one included, as taking some things that're ambiguously worded & declaring them to be an absolute standard, sometimes contrary to common sense or the way they're intended to be used. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive929#Concerns_about_Adam9007_declining_speedy_deletion_nominations That's why I suggested checking at the Teahouse.  That ANI was pointed out to me after he'd pulled several of my legit speedies and I went to AfD instead, only to have everyone say "Why wasn't this speedied?" JamesG5 (talk) 00:34, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Wow, I hope I never have to get involved in ANI - what a black hole! And we wonder why new people get the impression that Wikipedia is a bureaucratic quagmire... --Gronk Oz (talk) 03:33, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Thank you!
Thank you for informing me on how the hierarchy tree works for categorization. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cassini127 (talk • contribs) 21:19, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the Advice & Welcome.
The links will be useful for me. Thanks for posting them on my Talk page.

Cypher7850 (talk) 18:08, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

Draft:New England Regional Art Museum
Dear Gronk Oz,

You have helped me with this draft article in the past. I am now looking for help to promote the much-revised text, and recently posted the following request on the talk tab to the draft page. Excuse my lack of knowledge of how or where to ask that this be done, but I have had no response and don't know where to turn. Are you willing and able to be the editor that promotes it to Wikipedia?:

Looking for help from a Wikipedia editor; this article has been developed with the advice and assistance of several Wikipedia editors over many months and I believe is ready for Wikipedia. I have worked with a photographer who has put some photos of the Museum into Wikimedia Commons to allow me to use them in the article. I would like to add the image at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:I._New_England_Regional_Art_Museum_(NERAM).jpg to the article. It can be labelled . Can an editor please help with both adding the image and promoting the article if you agree it is ready. Thanks.--Dirrigeree (talk) 21:04, 6 February 2017 (UTC) https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:I._New_England_Regional_Art_Museum_(NERAM).jpg ==Dirrigeree (talk) 13:46, 9 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi, You have done a nice job of pulling that article together: congratulations.  Happy to help if I can.  I see that  already left quite a comprehensive response on the Talk page, so I'm not sure quite what I can help you with.  He/she left the precise code to insert into the page where you want the image to go but I notice it isn't there yet: do you need a hand with that? Or is it the process of moving it from Draft to Article space that you would like help with? --Gronk Oz (talk) 14:04, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
 * - it looks like you managed to get that all sorted out. If there is anything I can do to help, please let me know.--Gronk Oz (talk) 12:55, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

DevNet Page
Hi Gronk Oz, thanks for moderating the Cisco DevNet page. I updated links to the page from Susie Wee and Apple Worldwide Developers Conference, so I think we have the orphan issue solved. I removed the Orphan tag. Thanks again! Prodoom (talk) 19:35, 11 February 2017 (UTC)


 * ✅ Yes, it's no longer an orphan, so it was correct to remove that tag. --Gronk Oz (talk) 22:13, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Pallikkal River
Hi, I wonder where you found "Malaysia" for this edit? You didn't add a source. The place names all seem to map onto Kerala, India. Pam D  14:33, 15 February 2017 (UTC)


 * You are absolutely correct, and I apologize. To explain how I got it wrong: the original article gave no context of where this river was, so I started looking up the places mentioned.  When I got to Adoor, I found in parentheses (Malayalam) which at about 2am (my time) I thought was Malaysia.  My mistake - thanks for picking up on it. --Gronk Oz (talk) 22:17, 15 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Easy mistake! Glad it was as simple as that. I've sorted the article out a bit and added an assortment of incoming redirects. Cheers. Pam  D  22:53, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Talkback
ww2censor (talk) 23:24, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your edits
Thank you for your edits to Leonardo DRS T-100 Integrated Training System. I have now added links to the article from other Wikipedia pages, including Alenia Aermacchi M-346 Master so that the article is no longer an orphan. Aviator500 (talk) 16:34, 1 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Well done, - the article is coming along.  Three other pages link to that one, so it has been de-orphaned successfully. --Gronk Oz (talk) 21:50, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

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Ping/Tea
Hello my friend, just saw your tea advice, unfortunately does not work for IPs, so you may wanna edit it.

I agree about keeping the discussion in one place, but she'd have to also give the IP a shout on their talk, e.g.

Cheers, 86.20.193.222 (talk) 01:57, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Edit: Actually, I guess you're offline now, so I'll try to add a little tactful note on it myself. 86.20.193.222 (talk) 02:43, 16 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the heads-up; I didn't realize that does not work for IPs.  It means I can't even ping you on this, so I will send a Thanks too. --Gronk Oz (talk) 23:38, 16 March 2017 (UTC)


 * OOPS - now that I look, I can't send Thanks to an IP editor either. So I'll just hope you are watching... --Gronk Oz (talk) 23:39, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
 * No worries. I usually check back on stuff. You're welcome. For an IP, I think the best way is 86.20.193.222 (talk) 07:59, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

National Mario Day
I'm hoping that you will respond to my reply, at User_talk:86.20.193.222.

I still have a few days before the discussion ends, I'm wondering if there's things I can do to improve it. 86.20.193.222 (talk) 17:50, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Congratulations on successfully getting that article deleted. And, goodbye. 86.20.193.222 (talk) 13:47, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
 * FYI, the actual result was to merge it to Mario, which I've been trying to work with the IP on an agreement on how to do it, though they're not being a very good sport about it. Its either they get their way 100%, or they quit, apparently. Sergecross73   msg me  14:04, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

== I have added the links (i) (II) (III) to the page for deletion in order to clarify that it is impossible for an artist to write in the Official page of Cultura of an Embassy itself, no somewhereelse at all ==

Hi, and thank you for taking the time. I can not change how the page is built, but I have not use information of the project by Teresa de Marco shared anywhere except in the Official page of the Austrian Embassy in Bratislava http://www.rakuskekulturneforum.sk/info/info rakuskekulturneforum means Austrian Cultural Forum in Slovakian and anybody following the links (I) (II) (III) arrive to the same official page, but specifying the program for 2017/04 http://www.rakuskekulturneforum.sk/program/2017/04#!e:387 The Austrian Cultural Forum (German:Bratislava, Österreichisches Kulturforum / Slovakian: Rakúske kultúrne fórum) has posted the event, as well as the information not only about this exhibition next April, but the past exhibition of Teresa de Marco / Art links to my near death singularity, that took place in the main Museum of the capital of Austria, Vienna, in 2014: (see the text in German that they officialy write 2014...Q21 MuseumsQuartier Wien... At the top of the page you can give your email and get the official information also by email, if for whatever reasons I do not understand, the official page is not accepted. You, and anybody, will receive the emails and the information of the Official Cultural Program of the Embassy of Austria in Bratislava, including the exhibition that Teresa de Marco organize, and that include some of the most notable Austrian artists. Please once you receive the official emails you will realice that this source does not have anything to do with self-publishing. On the contrary, it is not a magazine, newspaper, or any small publisher where an artist could influence. It is the Cultural page of an Embassy, that sens regular emails as well. Thank you for your time Tomaguill (talk) 07:25, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Sources for the article on Teresa de Marco are from the Austrian Embassy Cultural website itself, and are being mark as from an artist her/himself
Hi, and thank you for taking the time. I can not change how the page is built, but I have not use information of the project by Teresa de Marco shared anywhere except in the Official page of the Austrian Embassy in Bratislava http://www.rakuskekulturneforum.sk/info/info rakuskekulturneforum means Austrian Cultural Forum in Slovakian and anybody following the links (I) (II) (III) arrive to the same official page, but specifying the program for 2017/04 http://www.rakuskekulturneforum.sk/program/2017/04#!e:387 The Austrian Cultural Forum (German:Bratislava, Österreichisches Kulturforum / Slovakian: Rakúske kultúrne fórum) has posted the event, as well as the information not only about this exhibition next April, but the past exhibition of Teresa de Marco / Art links to my near death singularity, that took place in the main Museum of the capital of Austria, Vienna, in 2014: (see the text in German that they officialy write 2014...Q21 MuseumsQuartier Wien... At the top of the page you can give your email and get the official information also by email, if for whatever reasons I do not understand, the official page is not accepted. You, and anybody, will receive the emails and the information of the Official Cultural Program of the Embassy of Austria in Bratislava, including the exhibition that Teresa de Marco organize, and that include some of the most notable Austrian artists. Please once you receive the official emails you will realice that this source does not have anything to do with self-publishing. On the contrary, it is not a magazine, newspaper, or any small publisher where an artist could influence. It is the Cultural page of an Embassy, that send regular emails as well. Thank you for your time Tomaguill (talk) 07:38, 18 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks for sending me that information (twice), but I am not sure what you want me to do with it. If you mean them to help establish the article's notability, then you need to put this information at the discussion about the deletion, at Articles_for_deletion/Teresa_de_Marco.  However, I don't think they meet the requirements that several editors have tried to outline - it's not a question of confirming the validity of the source.  It is a matter of finding independent, reliable sources that have discussed the subject in detail to show whether she has been widely noted.  I really am not clear what these sources are meant to prove, but if you think they are relevent then make sure to explain why at the deletion discussion I linked above. --Gronk Oz (talk) 10:54, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Refs
Thank you for filling in the refs that I left in the Punisher article.★Trekker (talk) 12:30, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
 * You're most welcome - I find references are more meaningful when they have more than just the URL. --Gronk Oz (talk) 12:34, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I know, I just got a little lazy when making the article. Thanks again.★Trekker (talk) 12:51, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

== I,m writting you because my comments in the discussion about my article on Teresa de Marco have been reverted. As it seems you are way more experienced editor than I am, I though you may find a way to share my thoughts on the discussion page I,ll also try ==

I,m sorry to desagree again, but I think nobody has just take the time and click in the links, in order to see "black in white" that I,m using official information that is impossible to be written by the artists, collegues, family, friends... The links to the "rakuskekulturneforum" which mean Austrian Cultural Forum in Slovakian, has been officialy modify, adding the sentence "A project by Teresa de Marco= Ei Projekt von Teresa de Marco (German), in order to make easier the English Wikipedia Premium Editors to click on it, in order to read what the Cultural Attaché has written (as for all exhibitions taken place in the Embassy) about Teresa de Marco and Art Links to my near death singularity (If you translate his words you can read that the project was first presented in 2014 in Museumsquartier Vienna. From the same link you can also click to the info, contacts, social media, and all information that the Cultural department of the Embassy share, including links to emails to the Director, secretary, etc. I don,t want to think that you are suggesting that such an official page can be just published or, should I say faked, by anybody not working in the Embassy. http://www.rakuskekulturneforum.sk/program/2017/04

About the Spanish source I used, is the online offcial publicatio of the organitation for women artists in Spain (links to the Spanish Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asociación_de_Mujeres_en_las_Artes_Visuales_(MAV), whose editorial board members are  Jona Baygual, Marta Mantecón, Ana Quiroga y Rocío de la Villa ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocio_de_la_Villa). You can prove it here: http://www.m-arteyculturavisual.com/sobre-m/ . As anybody can see in the page, anybody can place an announce (paying the fees) but the articles about the relevant women in the Spanish Art Scene, depend exclusively upon the Board, and there is no way, link, whatever, for self-publication (even in the blog, where you can comment, but not to start any article). If after checking out the editorial about "ART LINKS TO MY NEAR DEATH SINGULARITY / Teresa de Marco, artista y comisaria post-internet"= artist an post-internet curator, you click in the several links on the same page, you can check out not only all information, editoral board members, address, contacts, etc; you can also see that there is no place in the page for an artist to write about him/herself, neither for any curator, etc. They are allowed to comment, but the content of the whole page is by the Editorial Board, as they are the responsible for it and decide which artists or projects to invite.

I understand that is more difficult to follow links in foreign languages, but German and Spanish should not be so strange for English speakers. But we would not find fair that important and reliable official pages in other languages are rejected, while is widely know that many american or english artists show up in the English wikipedia, with references only to online small magazines and self-published books, of course in english, and therefore easier to check out for you. We also could just upload articles in the national sites obviously. But as you know for sure, translations to english are complicated in wikipedia, unless you translate thousands. And in many cases, as this, local wikipedias also wouldn,t help much, when artists and young curators are becaming kind of nomads and doing projects always in a different place. I know for this concrete page that the same project was presented in Paris around 2015, but I was not able to find the link and though somebody else should add it lately, as I find the collaborative work more interesting that if all references and text are upload at the same time by the same person. As I do not know the wikipedia intern situation, it may have been not the best way to start, I could admit I was too confident.

Tomaguill (talk) 13:06, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Thank you RE Revised "Ask an Engineer" webcast with Micro Center CEO
Dear Gronk Oz, I have paraphrased an "Ask an engineer" webcast done 11/24/15 by LadyAda of Adafruit with Rick Mershad, Micro Center CEO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEZO-FuRrtQ &lt;/ref>.

RM: We use the internet to drive people into our stores. We think our actual value is the physical location.

Ada-How has what you’ve carried changed over the years?

RM: DIY is exploding. The STEM movement is driving American students and adults to make their own creations. We’re focusing on Arduino projects and Raspberry Pi. DIY/Maker products require consultive selling, which Micro Center specializes in. RM: The Internet of things (IOT is the next phase – networking to work together. We sell NEST products and home automation.  RM: We are developing our own products: networking, WinBook tablets and PowerSpec desktops. We have a long history in China where we do contract manufacturing. 4119Leap (talk) 14:31, 17 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi, thanks for helping out by paraphrasing that: it makes it much easier.  I have added the material about the current DIY focus, but left out the speculation/plans for the future.  In general, Wikipedia is not terribly interested in what businesses have to say about themselves, and less so when it's about what might happen in future.  I hope that makes sense; please feel free to get back to me with any questions or comments.
 * Frankly, I wish there was a store near me (in Australia) because I'd love to get into Raspberry Pi the easy way with a kit. (Last time I asked a friend how to get started, his suggestion started out with "Use your 3D printer to make the following ..." At that point I stopped reading!) --Gronk Oz (talk) 06:17, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Hello Gronk Oz, Thank you so much for adding the STEM/Arduino/Raspberry Pi section. BTW - I noticed a company in Australia which offers Rapsberry Pi kits - https://www.buyraspberrypi.com.au/. Perhaps this might be helpful. Thanks again!4119Leap (talk) 13:58, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

How did you get those Tabs on your Page? And any good projects to start with?
Hi Gronk Oz.

I'm curious to know how you got those Tabs on your User page. How did you create them?

Also: I'm thinking of joining a Wiki Project. I'm part of the Warhammer 40K as I've played a majority of the 40K games, but I'm interested in helping more projects. Any pointers to a good project for me to start with?

Cypher7850 (talk) 15:23, 23 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi, . Those tabs on my user page?  I wish I could take credit for it, but I'm not that smart - I copied them from somebody else's user page (User:White Arabian Filly).  First I set up the other pages I want to link to (Talk and Sandbox were already there).  Then if you use the "Edit" tab to look at the source code on my page, the code which actually creates the tabs is a few lines from the top, starting PageTabs. By all means copy it for yourself - use "Preview" to check that it's working okay before saving.  If it does wrong, you can always Undo that edit and try again.
 * As for projects, I see that WikiProject Warhammer 40,000 "is believed to be inactive". Bummer.  There is a list of related Wikiprojects that cover a wider scope and are more active at "Similar WikiProjects", so if you want to check out RPGs, computer games and so on then that might be worthwhile.  Apart from that, when you find an article that interests you take a look at its Talk page - that will tell you if that article has an associated Wikiproject that might also interest you.
 * I hope that helps! --Gronk Oz (talk) 21:50, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Hello Mr. Gronk Oz
I think that is kind of discriminating, that only famous people are allowed to created a biography in Wikipedia. All we humans work, and all we have the right to be recognized for what we do, not only the Hollywood stars are. All is mind, the universe is mental. We humans are just subjective forms of the divine thought. Regards. Gloriana Rada — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gloriana Rada (talk • contribs) 16:22, 24 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello, . I think you may have misunderstood what Wikipedia is about.  It is not here for anybody, famous or not, to create their autobiography.  As I explained on your Talk page, autobiographies are strongly discouraged.  This is an encyclopedia, which hosts articles about subjects (including people) who are widely noted (see the criteria at WP:PERSON for details).  It is not here for everybody to publish their details, or their business - there are plenty of social media sites where people can do that. --Gronk Oz (talk) 17:01, 24 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I just noticed that Gloriana Rada was deleted. If you read the notice that was placed on your Talk page, you will see that this was not due to lack of being "famous" as you say.  It was because the page was a copy of material that was copyright, which is absolutely not permitted by law.  The page was also overly promotional, which generally happens with autobiographies - but the copyright violation was the main reason it was deleted. --Gronk Oz (talk) 17:06, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

Ok. Can you be more specific with the copyright I fail at? all the tags I did are MY WORK — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gloriana Rada (talk • contribs) 17:18, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for sharing your insights and please be assured that is on point while indicating writing an autobiography on Wikipedia is an example of conflict of interest editing and is strongly discouraged. As per the copyright issue, kindly refer WP:COPYRIGHT - It states that "If you want to import text that you have found elsewhere or that you have co-authored with others, you can only do so if it is available under terms that are compatible with the CC BY-SA license". Since this is your first article, I suggest you first read through WP:HOW and submit your article's draft for review using WP:AFC. This should definitely help! Thanks. TopCipher (talk) 17:45, 24 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I was not involved in the deletion. If you read the message on your Talk page, is seems fairly clear: "This page appears to be a direct copy from https://issuu.com/glorianarada/docs/portfolio_2017." If you want to discuss the reasons for the deletion further, you could contact the editor who nominated it for deletion  or the Admin to performed the deletion .  However, please bear in mind that the copyright issue was not the only one - it was also promotional, and does not look likely to meet Wikipedia's notability standards at  WP:PERSON. --Gronk Oz (talk) 17:35, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for helping with your insights as well (and for looping me in on this); my apologies in case I missed promo content as clearly, that was autobiography - not favoured (I typically focus more on copyvio and so must've missed it). Thanks. TopCipher (talk) 17:45, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

Gloriana Rada (talk) 17:43, 24 March 2017 (UTC)Yes I have noticed that just "meanfull people" from the world are allowed to post their brief here, like Hollywood stars and some porn stars, thanks for the reply. Goodbye. Gloriana Rada (talk) 17:43, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

National varieties of English
In a recent edit to the page Leon Trotsky, you changed one or more words or styles from one national variety of English to another. Because Wikipedia has readers from all over the world, our policy is to respect national varieties of English in Wikipedia articles.

For a subject exclusively related to the United Kingdom (for example, a famous British person), use British English. For something related to the United States in the same way, use American English. For something related to India, use Indian English. For something related to another English-speaking country, such as Canada, Australia, or New Zealand, use the variety of English used there. For an international topic, use the form of English that the original author of the article used.

In view of that, please don't change articles from one version of English to another, even if you don't normally use the version in which the article is written. Respect other people's versions of English. They, in turn, should respect yours. Other general guidelines on how Wikipedia articles are written can be found in the Manual of Style. If you have any questions about this, you can ask me on my talk page or visit the help desk. Thank you. RolandR (talk) 10:51, 25 March 2017 (UTC)


 * - The article Leon Trotsky does not appear to have exclusive connections with either the UK or the USA, and the article does not have any tags indicating a language preference. I take it that you think it should use the US variant - if so, it would be helpful to mark the article accordingly so other editors know your intention. --Gronk Oz (talk) 11:18, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
 * No; I think that, as the notice suggests, the form in which the article is written should not be changed unless there is a strong reason to do so. Which in this case, there was not. And, as it happens, I am a native British-English speaker, and I use the form which you removed, not the one with which you replaced it. RolandR (talk) 11:48, 25 March 2017 (UTC)


 * - Obviously I would respect the language preference it I could see what it was. And I am trying to prevent this sort of problem recurring.  But it is not apparent which language variant you prefer for this article.  I just read through several screens of the article, and searched for a bunch of the usual trigger words, but so far I can't see a single hint as to "the form in which the article is written".  If you will just let me know which version you prefer, I would be happy to add the relevant tag.  Or if you prefer to keep that to yourself, then you can expect to spend a lot more time sending out messages like you did above.--Gronk Oz (talk) 12:16, 25 March 2017 (UTC)


 * - I have checked four dictionaries - one UK (OED), two US (Websters and Oxford American), and one Australian (Macquarie). They all agree that the correct spelling is "targeted".  So I am having trouble understanding your claim that this is a matter of national usage, and not just a spelling error.  Is there any source that supports the "targetted" version? --Gronk Oz (talk) 15:17, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Wiktionary confirms that "targetted" is the English variant, and "targeted" the US. But that is scarcely the point here; Wikipedia's rule is that, unless the spelling is specifically incorrect, it should not be altered. You were making a pedantic change, which appeared to favour one variant of English over another, and this is not permitted. RolandR (talk) 17:42, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

Yes, that was my point exactly - it is a mis-spelling. Wiktionary, as a user-generated source, is not particularly reliable. Even Wiktionary listed "targetted" as "obsolete" or a "misspelling of targeted" until an anonymous IP editor removed that tag with no source other than their own claim that "it is very much in common usage". The spelling was wrong according to all four real dictionaries, which I trust more than some anonymous person's opinion on Wiktionary. I say we should go with the reliable sources instead, which all agree with AWB's recommendation. --Gronk Oz (talk) 02:08, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
 * If I don't hear otherwise, I will put that change back on the basis of what the reliable sources say. We can discuss if you like, but comparing this list of dictionaries with this list, I would say the case is clear. --Gronk Oz (talk) 09:43, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
 * And I would again revert you, on the grounds that your change was needless pettifoggery, and contrary to guidelines. See these discussions of British vs US usage: Let's Ask the OED, Targetting vs Targeting - What's the difference?, English for Academic Research: Writing Exercises. And there are many more. The bottom line is that both forms are correct, the double t is more prevalent in British than in US spelling but neither is incorrect. There is therefore no justification for altering the form in which this word was first used in the article, and Wikipedia guidelines quite clearly specify that one should respect the original edit and not replace it on the basis of personal preference. To repeat your unnecessary edit would therefore constitute edit warring against Wikipedia guidelines, and I urge you not to enter into this territory. RolandR (talk) 10:31, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Wow, you really had to stretch to find blogs to argue support for your personal preference. I'm sorry, and quite surprised, that you think that counts for more than all the British dictionaries I cited.  Obviously you and I are not getting any closer to an agreement here. It's getting quite late here, so I'm going to bed - tomorrow I will consider whether to seek a broader consensus based on the reliable sources.--Gronk Oz (talk) 14:49, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Picture uploaded, but is it ok?
Hi Gronk Oz,

I saw your post on my question at the Teahouse, in which you explained how I was to upload a pic. I have since uploaded the cover of the game to Wikipedia and I'm wondering if I've done it right.

Here is the link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SpaceHulk(2013_video_game)Cover.jpg

If you're able to confirm that it's ok, I'll be able to put it onto the Space Hulk (2013 video game) page.

Thanks again,

Cypher7850 (talk) 11:35, 27 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Looks good, . I updated the "fair use rationale" a little to fill in a bit more, and I think it's time to add it to the article. --Gronk Oz (talk) 14:37, 27 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks Gronk. I'll add the image to the article soon as I'm at college ATM. Cypher7850 (talk) 09:42, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

Belief System?
Hey there Gronk! I do not agree with your Andrews revert. In fact I saw that someone had made that change and totally agreed with it. There is no "system" - belief or otherwise -  associated with atheism. It is merely not accepting the claims that any god exists. And I did not understand your comment regarding confusion between atheism and anosticism either. RobP (talk) 02:52, 29 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi, . Unfortunately, I don't have access to the reference to check what it actually says. I was going my the wording within the article, which specifies atheism.  Atheism is not "merely not accepting the claims that any god exists" = that is agnosticism.  Atheism is a definite belief that there are no gods.  Whether that belief could be called a "belief system" could be argued.  But in any case, it's not up to us to argue it - we should be summarizing what the sources say.  And I don't have access to that.  So if somebody who has access to the source wants to check which position best summarizes what they say then please go for it. --Gronk Oz (talk) 21:16, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi again Sorry, but you are mistaken. 180 degrees mistaken in fact. And I do not understand how you got this that wrong. Neither atheism or agnosticism is a "belief system." Read the lede of the wiki atheism page. It says it well. It is a position on one point. Agnosticism is more complex as it involves knowledge and whether or not what you believe is "knowable." In fact, one can be a gnostic-atheist, a gnostic-theist, an agnostic-atheist, or an agnostic-theist. It's complicated.

And regarding the reference, I actually recently read the book. And I listen to Seth's podcast "religiously" (pun intended) as well as to several other atheist-activist's podcasts. (As you might guess I am firmly in that camp.) Seth and everyone else I have ever heard or read in the atheist movement would take great exception with you calling our position a "belief system" - as well as to calling it "agnosticism." And Seth and others in the spotlight in fact do just that when confronting theist callers. Seth's podcast is NOT called The Thinking Agnostic. Mat Dilihunte & crew's podcast is not called the Agnostic Experience.

And in summary, regarding the edit, it is exactly as I said... atheism is not a belief system. Just the common conclusion that either (a) there is no god, or (b) there is insufficient proof that there is a god. It is a single decision point. In either case using "system" here is inappropriate as "system" implies numerous interconnected things that go together. I am in fact a "Systems Engineer" so I know of what I speak on that point. The short of it is that for a bunch of reasons, the editor who made that change was absolutely correct. RobP (talk) 23:57, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

And if you want more than the say so of an editor ensconced in the movement... This is from the website of American Atheists: "Atheism is not an affirmative belief that there is no god nor does it answer any other question about what a person believes. It is simply a rejection of the assertion that there are gods. Atheism is too often defined incorrectly as a belief system. To be clear: Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods." https://www.atheists.org/activism/resources/about-atheism/ RobP (talk) 00:04, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Let me add that a reasonable way to fix that sentence is for it to just say: "Finding no community of like-minded people in his area, he decided to build an atheist community online." RobP (talk) 00:01, 30 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I never claimed that Andrews is agnostic; I don't know where you got that from. Just the opposite: he states that he is an atheist many times, which was the basis of my edit.  While we could debate the terminology all day, it would not be relevant to the article, which should summarize what the source (in this case Andrews' own book) says on the topic.  Does the book say that he was socially isolated for his belief that there is no deity, or for his lack of belief in a deity?  The article should reflect whichever one the book says, not your opinion or mine.  And as I say, I do not have access to the book to confirm what it actually says: if you do, then feel free to make sure it is accurately reflected in the article.--Gronk Oz (talk) 12:01, 30 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi My argument regarding your def of atheism was not because of your edit, it was in rebuttal to your quote just above "...Atheism is not "merely not accepting the claims that any god exists" = that is agnosticism. Atheism is a definite belief that there are no gods."


 * So back to the important thing here, your revert of what I see as a good edit which added back the erroneous "belief system" concept commonly attributed to atheists by theists... I think it unlikely that EITHER version of the sentence we are arguing over was extracted from DeConverted. Note it is not in quotes! It more likely is a summary idea the author of that line in the article took out of the entirety of the book. Anyway, I read the book last year but I am not about to re-read the entire book just to find that line of something close (no page number or even chapter is specified). As I said I suspect this would be a total waste of time as it is likely there is no such quote. Again, how about making the edit I suggested which keeps the concept but avoids this issue: "Finding no community of like-minded people in his area, he decided to build an atheist community online." ??  RobP (talk) 20:38, 31 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I have no problem with that edit, as long as you think it reflects the source. I am not sure why you get hung up on it being a quote: it isn't a quote, and I never claimed it was a quote.  However, the article should accurately summarize what that part (p.118) of the source says.  And if you think it does, it's all good.--Gronk Oz (talk) 03:13, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi again Sorry... I missed that the page number actually was in the citation! I will update the page to better match this material: Here is the pertinent quote: "And so I was… The bad apple, an Oklahoma son of theologian parents, an infidel in the Bible belt, feeling more alone than at any time in my life. Nobody was listening. Nobody understood. Nobody could relate. And while churches around me created and cultivated circles of togetherness, friendship and support for the faithful, I was (or at least I felt) absolutely isolated. Cut off. Alone. I had no community. So, I decided to build one."


 * In that case, I think your proposed edit is a better summary of the source than either of the other versions. I would say "do it", but I see you already did.  --Gronk Oz (talk) 12:50, 1 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Yes. I fear it may be reverted by a certain editor who seems to have a grudge against me editing that article. Do me a favor: as you now agree, add it to your watch list and put in a good word regarding this edit if what I think is going to happen, happens, and I get reverted. RobP (talk) 14:06, 1 April 2017 (UTC)


 * ✅ It's been on my watchlist for ages, and I will keep watching.--Gronk Oz (talk) 04:08, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks notification
Hi, I am thanking you for giving valuable advices to improve the articles related to blind cricket.T would also like to receive your help to improve them.The only major problem that I have when I try to create articles related to blind cricket,the information about blind cricket is seem to be lacking in websites. Thanks.Abishe (talk) 06:45, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello, . That is a common problem, especially when the principle of an encyclopedia is to summarize what the most reliable sources have to say about the subject.  In short, Wikipedia doesn't care much what they have to say about themselves - rather, an article should be based mostly on what independent sources say about them.
 * That's why I tried to find newspaper articles that discussed the team: those are generally a good source. I find that a Google News search is a good place to start - e.g. here.  You can find plenty of other ideas about where to find sources at Help:Find sources.
 * So the first thing to do is to find sources. Then build what they have to say into the article.  I hope that helps! --Gronk Oz (talk) 11:26, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Re-review of published page
Hello Gronk,

Thanks much for your edits to page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._Sharath_Jois!

There are a few edits that we did to address issues that were raised, such as orphan, medical references, citations to verify individuals, cuts to promotions. Would you mind having another look and offering any other suggestions that could help us further improve the page?

Thanks again! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leeahkchu (talk • contribs) 19:54, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

new images
I see you have been active in editing P. J. Washington and Jarred Vanderbilt, who played in the 2017 McDonald's All-American Boys Game. At Talk:2017 McDonald's All-American Boys Game, we are discussing the preferred images for use on WP for the MCD All-Americans.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:26, 24 April 2017 (UTC)