User talk:Grosseteste

August 2019
- SchroCat (talk) 14:48, 27 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Reviewing admins should consider the filter log as well in assessing any requests for unblock. N.J.A.  &#124; talk  15:18, 27 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Fair enough. Please list all other accounts you have used.--  Deep fried  okra    19:47, 27 August 2019 (UTC)


 * The only one i can recall, is Slade121. There may be one other from several years ago that i no longer remember the user or password for, which is why i used the plural, just incase there was something i was forgetting. However Slade121 will be the only other account logged into on this IP in several years, Best Regards.


 * Is there any other information which needs to be provided Deep  fried  okra ? N.J.A. ''' &#124;  talk, Best Regards


 * , wow about the incivility displayed here?


 * "Rather i have noticed a pattern, in which a limited number of individuals have hoped to sneak their own preferences into the article, often after an agreement had been reached previously to do exactly the opposite"
 * "Hoping to seemingly bore their opposition in submission through frequent and persistent reiteration of niche arguments and view points, and often the use of what can be only be described as underhand tactics, for example the banding together and canvassing of likeminded individuals ( -side note- in effect trying to create an anti infobox movement, a bewildering and in truth embarrassing effort."
 * "Those who have been the primary instigators of this have in my findings frequently shown themselves up, through an apparent desire to create some sense of ownership over the subjects article and its goings on."
 * "An educated and concise response would be appreciated"


 * This editor is clearly not here to collaborate, rather to stir pots which are notoriously controversial.  Cassianto Talk  07:51, 30 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Had that been the case i would have edited the article to promote my own beliefs and preferences without consultation, rather than opened a point of discussion on the talk page (which would have been ironic, seeing as that was exactly what i had accused you of). Every point i raised was a legitimate one, including the mentioning of poor spelling, which you may have viewed as an insult, but actually was an important issue relating to the quality of edits being made, Best Regards User:Grosseteste


 * Is straight talking a bannable offence DeepFriedOkra?, because that is all that that amounts to, despite it perhaps looking as if it had been intended to be rude or uncivil. Especially taking into account the tone of messages and actions i had seen including those undertaken by Cassinato, who has decided to pitch in despite it not being under his purview. I was banned for 'Sockpuppetry' which is evidently not accurate, Best Regards User:Grosseteste


 * You received a DS notice which is there to remind people to engage in idiotbox discussions with some civility. You did not do that.   Cassianto Talk  09:07, 30 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Yes, i received that notice subsequent to my raising of the issue, because apparently that amounted to me 'taking an interest in infoboxes' rather than the reality. Which was in effect taking an interest in the supercilious nonsense, as i described it then, which is coming across again now and which at the time was evident in the shutting down of anyone with differing views to your own. Seemingly because you have a vendetta against the use of infoboxes (which is clear from your decision to deride them as idiot boxes, perhaps not the most 'civil' of actions, but again i would ask you to direct me to the parts of my comments which are uncivil) and their use in any context, or perhaps your issues lie in the broadening of the appeal of wikipedia in general, perhaps you could clarify this, Regards User:Grosseteste
 * There's a difference between plain-speaking and sheer rudeness. Ever read the part about "discuss content and not other editors"? Plainly speaking, that oh-so-sophisticated, browbeating, condescension would have pissed me off if you'd directed it at me. It would not have encouraged me to see your point of view. That you have no problem with creating insults instead of discussing in a collegial manner, and cannot see that it is wrong to do so, is yet another reason to not unblock you.--  Deep fried  okra    11:06, 30 August 2019 (UTC)


 * There is yes, and i don't feel i crossed that boundary. As i said any mention of spelling was purely in relation to the quality of edits. I hadn't read that part no, but i feel all points i raised referred exclusively to the content of the article in mention. Which had been edited by Cassianto in order to remove an infobox without any discussion or consultation of the readership, which is why i mentioned an attempt to 'create some sense of ownership' he also refers to infoboxes as idiot boxes the implication being there that only idiots need them as the information is plainly visible. Not only is that condescending (something you have just accused me of but which i reject) but plainly untrue as they enable those who want to learn a basic understanding of a subject or lack the time to read an entire article to do so in a timely manner. If anyone was to raise these issues to him he shut them down, telling them things like 'there are thousands of other articles on wikipedia, why focus on this one', rather than actually responding to any queries or issues with his decisions. I fail to see any relevance to the 'oh-so-sophisicated' part, that was not my intention, i was as i said speaking plainly and those were the words that i felt best played out the situation. I am firmly against needless unpleasantries and bullying, which was the foundation of the discussion i raised, and why i started said discussion rather than doing as Cassianto had done and added without consultation. I apologise for any undue and unintended offence and insults were never the impression that i wanted to create, rather i felt i was continuing in the tone that had been set by those involved in the debate surrounding the Ian Fleming article. I have to add that i'm confused by your summarising point, that it is 'another reason' to not unblock me, as i had explained this is not a sock puppet account, thus surely it would be the only reason to not block me, and i was not made aware that talking in such a manner was a reason for an account to be permanently blocked, if i had known perhaps i would have spoken differently, but i feel it is always better to maintain an honest approach. Best Regards User:Grosseteste


 * You seem to be ignoring the issues raised here about your editing. Any comments on that? N.J.A.  &#124; talk  10:12, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Not intentionally, i thought the issue that raised as the reason for the ban was sockpuppetry, and then following that criticism of the wording/language of the post made on an articles talk page (which was deliberately made prior to any blanket editing). If there are any specific issues, i am perfectly willing to comment on them. Grosseteste (talk) 12:09, 9 September 2019 (UTC).

On looking further i saw something about edits blocked on the filter log, but those appear to be mainly attempted edits to my own talk page and the rest are edits to the talk page of the article in question.


 * Your consideration and just and fair arbitration is appreciated, Best Regards Grosseteste (talk) 17:50, 9 September 2019 (UTC).
 * FYI, when making changes, please normally use edit summaries. Thanks, N.J.A.  &#124; talk  16:46, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

Sock
In relation to 's comment (that "another user may raise an investigation if they reasonably believe it proper"), I would note that I believe the sock claims to be reasonable.

Even if we overlook the userboxes and NOTHERE behaviours (which overlap significantly with ), the overlap in articles generates a deafening QUACK. Given that effectively every single edit of Grosseteste's overlaps with articles of recurring interest to Slade121. (James Larkin and Lai Guochuan? There's a venn diagram of interest that I'd like to see explained with anything other than "sock" affixed to it.)

For myself, I was drawn here by the effectively identical nature of this recent Grosseteste edit compared to these previous Slade121 examples. Which I recognised immediately. I would say more, but I have a headache from the deafening QUACKs. Guliolopez (talk) 00:30, 17 September 2019 (UTC)


 * I took some Disprin and opened the SPI thread. Guliolopez (talk) 01:06, 17 September 2019 (UTC)


 * note above he had admitted as such and I believe that was handled by admin who blocked the account. N.J.A.  &#124;  talk  01:59, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

The important thing to note surely being the wikipedia statement on sock puppetry, which i will verbatim copy from warnings on such matters 'Note that using multiple accounts is allowed, but using them for illegitimate reasons is not'. I never once denied that Slade121 was a former account of mine, that does not equate to sockpuppetry. Slade121 has not been logged into for many months and the two accounts have at no point been active concurrently. Best Regards Grosseteste (talk) 10:49, 17 September 2019 (UTC).


 * Thanks . Hello again /.
 * RE: "Admission". Apologies. No, I had not noted that. As per my comment above, I only arrived here because I saw what, to me, appeared to be a sock being used to re-open a previous edit war. I hadn't, with apologies, taken the time to read the full block/unblock thread. I probably should have.
 * RE: "Handled". In honesty I don't think the issue is addressed/handled. The explanation offered ("I forgot the usernames/passwords of my several previous profiles") does perhaps fall under the "compromised accounts" criteria of WP:SOCKLEGIT. Allowing this (new) profile to be used for constructive editing. But, in honesty, it doesn't look like this profile was created for entirely constructive editing. Given that the very first thing it was used for was a less than constructive/collegiate talk page rant. And the most recent thing it was used for was to reopen an edit war (long since addressed through natural consensus and compromise wording).
 * RE: "Using socks for legitimate reasons is allowed". While I'll add an additional note to the SPI thread, I am inclined to leave it open. As I don't that WP:SOCKLEGIT is the only consideration here. If it's closed for procedural reasons, then I'll leave that to the closer.
 * Cheers. Guliolopez (talk) 10:42, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Hello again indeed...

I am unsure as to your inclination here. This matter was resolved, the block was not for as you state in your SPI 'less than constructive/collegiate talkpage attack' but for suspicions of sockpuppetry, which understandably and rightly led to a block, however by the definition of sockpuppetry proved to not be the case, hence the unblock. Whilst reluctant to drag up the same points again, it seems i will have to. The 'talk page attack' as you refer to it was nothing of the sort, rather than make blanket and wholesale changes i decided it was best to raise the issues on the articles talk page, in admittedly a rather short and direct manner (this was was in response to what i had at the time perceived to be the nature of the tone set by those i was responding to), i have apologised for this in earlier posts. As for 'reopening an edit war' i feel this is a rather grandiose description of what amounts to 3-4 edits between the pair of us, relating to one word in a sentence in a rather large article, for which various alternatives have been mooted and never the same repeated edit. As for a 'natural consensus' having been reached, i reject this statement as factually incorrect, the subject has never been raised on the articles talk page (which is why i have now created such a post on there) rather it has seemingly by default remained in line with your own inclination, and it is the supposed 'compromise wording' that i find fault with.

To claim that this profile was not created with the intention of constructive editing is an inaccurate claim, having already addressed the two examples you used this then fails to take into account the already vast number of edits made by this account which have contributed to numerous articles in an constructive (and referenced) manner. You go onto note in your SPI that you are unsure as to whether SOCKLEGIT applies, this account as has been stated numerous times, is and never has been a sockpuppet and as has also previously been stated by the unblocking admin, the account which had been in use previously has been blocked now which is an administrative and de jure resolution to an account which had already been de facto deactivated by way of it being un-usable (by way of me not having access to it). I find it to be a wholly pointless and generally needless ordeal to attempt to re-open something which had been resolved by an admin (in fact the admin who originally blocked this account) without any new information, context or inference. Moreover your statement in your SPI that i claimed to have never 'consecutively used multiple profiles' is either factually or grammatically incorrect, i did in fact only claim to have used them consecutively, as in one after the other and not at the same time or 'concurrently' as i in fact actually stated. Regards Grosseteste 12:28, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I think the SPI case should be closed as the multiple account matter was already handled here. He says he forgot his login and created a new account and that old account is now blocked. That's it. As for initial edits, clearly there was concern, which, along with suspicions of socking, led to the initial block and the discussion thereafter. The circumstances have not changed since my unblocking, and I have been keeping an eye on the matter. Aside from not using edit summaries, he has not acted contrary to policy or my unblock conditions. N.J.A.  &#124; talk  13:12, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

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Hi NJA

I had been under the impression that quoting from a source was an acceptable course of action, as long as quotation marks were used and the source material was referenced.

Apologies, Grosseteste 12:11, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

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213.205.194.93 (talk) 16:14, 6 February 2021 (UTC) Again, you talk tripe. I’ve never edited that page in my life. 213.205.194.6 (talk) 18:12, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Leaving a notification should be done once, just so editors are aware of the ArbCom restrictions. These should only be done once a year. You have done it twice in five minutes, which is harassment. Stop. 213.205.194.93 (talk) 16:33, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I restored a warning that was removed and updated it to note your uncivil response, namely calling me a prick for having made the warning. Rather than making the warning 'twice in 5 minutes'. Best Regards, Grosseteste (talk) 16:40, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Restoring it is making the warning twice. And it didn’t need to be made in the first place: I’m obviously aware of the restrictions, given I’ve warned other people for breaching them. You included. 213.205.194.93 (talk) 16:46, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Restoring it was intended to make sure the warning was understood rather than disregarded, which is the only real assumption that can be made when your response to said warning was to call the editor who made it a prick, whilst not 5 minutes before preaching the need for civility. This represents either a severe lack of self-awareness and a large degree of irony, or that you don't have any real belief in the message put out by the warning and are instead merely using it as a form of targeted harassment to those who happen to have a different belief to your own. Note the claims from two other editors of the Ian Fleming talkpage that you made edits to their own talk pages immediately subsequent to them making edits to said articles talkpage. Best Regards, Grosseteste (talk) 16:53, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
 * No, reverting me was harassment, pure and simple. When messages are deleted, it is taken under WP rules that the message has been read (see WP:REMOVED). So reverting the deletion is exactly the same as a second warning. You should not be edit warring with people on their talk pages if they remove one of your messages.
 * You should not have left the message in the first place. They are to provide information to users unaware of the restrictions. As I’ve left them for others, it’s blindingly obvious I am aware of the restrictions. Leaving it in the first place was an act of petty harassment. Edit warring to leave it a second time is ridiculous. 213.205.194.93 (talk) 17:02, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
 * You will note I have left the warning you made on my talk page, despite it being completely unfounded. It's 'blindingly obvious' that you are not aware of the restrictions as your response to dispute over your apparent belief that I had been 'uncivil' was to be undeniably uncivil. Best Regards, Grosseteste (talk) 17:12, 6 February 2021 (UTC).
 * Its not unfounded (obviously). And I was obviously aware of the restrictions before the first act of harassment, let alone the second. Thankfully I won’t have to deal with you again the future: it has been a most unpleasant experience of watching you try to ‘win’ something unwinnable. 213.205.194.93 (talk) 17:31, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Judging by your childish edits to The King Alfred School, Highbridge Wikipedia article a couple of years ago, and continued immature behaviour in our interactions it is clear that you are perhaps only recently out of education, or perhaps still in it (hopefully this is the case as there are some areas which could do with work and I would focus on that). This is also clear from the playground mentality of perceiving this as something to be 'won' or lost. On the contrary I'm not even quite sure I'm aware what it is that you deem to be 'unwinnable'. Nor do I think you understand the concept of quotation marks, as you used them when referring to the word win, a word that I never used. Best Regards, Grosseteste (talk) 17:46, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I will take the silence in relation to the other points that I raised as quiet and reluctant acceptance, and draw this unfortunate interaction to its' long overdue conclusion. Best Regards (and hopefully farewell), Grosseteste (talk) 18:25, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
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The section which was copied is a passage which is taken directly from the 14th century contemporary source and was identified as such by use of quotation marks. I am not sure there is any other way to use this passage. Grosseteste (talk) 14:56, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

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References at Box Hill School
Hi Grosseteste,

In this edit to the article Box Hill School you added some references that I find quite cryptic, all with the same link https://www.jocelinwinthropyoung.com/work/round-square/. Subsequently, in this edit, a user using a poorly designed script and not checking its output altered all of those references. As part of a cleanup project, I have been trying to undo the damage inflicted by the script; however, in this particular article, because I don't understand the original references you added, I'm not sure how to repair it. Is there any chance you could take a look?

Thanks, JBL (talk) 17:18, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Charles III requested move discussion
There is a new requested move discussion in progress for the Charles III article. Since you participated in the previous discussion, I thought you might like to know about this one. Cheers. Rreagan007 (talk) 07:22, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

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