User talk:GruberMatthias

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Proposed deletion of Eight Pattern Wing Chun


The article Eight Pattern Wing Chun has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * No indication of WP:Notability. Sources are mostly WP:primary sources, with the addition of a book review. Appears to have been created by Gruber himself.

While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. noq (talk) 14:54, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

October 2012
Hello, GruberMatthias. We welcome your contributions to Wikipedia, but if you are affiliated with some of the people, places or things you have written about in the article Eight Pattern Wing Chun, you may need to consider our guidance on conflicts of interest.

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Please familiarize yourself with relevant content policies and guidelines, especially those pertaining to neutral point of view, verifiability of information, and autobiographies.

For information on how to contribute to Wikipedia when you have a conflict of interest, please see our frequently asked questions for organizations. Thank you. noq (talk) 14:55, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of Eight Pattern Wing Chun for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Eight Pattern Wing Chun is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Eight Pattern Wing Chun until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:17, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Be careful
Wikipedia has a rule, No personal attacks. Be careful about comments like this, in which you seem to be taking Wikipedia's rules very personally, and blaming other people in a very personal way for using Wikipedia's rules to make a decision about this article. Have you read the notability guidelines for yourself yet? Those are the only rules that are being used in this discussion, and there's nothing personal at all about them. No one is saying that you are a bad person, or that your martial art is a bad one. They are only saying what you yourself have said- that it has not been much written about, maybe not enough to have enough information to write an article. If we remove all the information from the article that is only in things written by you, and leave only the information that has been written in reliable sources, will there be enough information to write an informative and accurate article? If the answer is 'no,' then we'll have to wait until there is enough independent information. Next time, don't write about yourself, because it's very frustrating- it's easier to write in a neutral way if you write about someone else's martial art instead. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 11:53, 21 October 2012 (UTC)