User talk:Grundle2600/Archive 7

Rodentia
I love animals. Thanks! Grundle2600 (talk) 16:17, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Electron-kinetic road ramp
Interesting gadget, nice article, wrong title. It's "Electro-kinetic". PhGustaf (talk) 04:08, 13 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I have no idea how that happened, because I could have sworn that I used copy and paste. But perhaps I didn't. Thanks. Grundle2600 (talk) 07:23, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar
Whoo hoo! Thanks! That makes me feel good! Grundle2600 (talk) 23:58, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Madison Keys
FYI, I've redirected your "new" article to the existing one. Cheers, --The Magnificent Clean-keeper (talk) 14:27, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Heh heh. Oops! My source spelled her name both ways! Grundle2600 (talk) 19:02, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

WP:NODRAMA reminder
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No Drama
Hahahaha. I think we both are in violation. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:49, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I am having fun! When I signed the petition, I made an exception for user talk pages! Grundle2600 (talk) 23:50, 20 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, you two inspired me to add this section. :)) . Cheers, --The Magnificent Clean-keeper (talk) 00:25, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * And I see that another editor has erased it, commenting, "o hellz no. that's asking for drama." Grundle2600 (talk) 00:29, 21 July 2009 (UTC)


 * And I didn't expect other :)))))) --The Magnificent Clean-keeper (talk) 00:34, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Articles I have created so far during no drama
Grundle2600 (talk) 00:10, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Acanthomysis microps
 * The blob (Chukchi Sea algae)
 * Stephen Marchesi
 * Varanus lirungensis
 * Pteropus allenorum
 * Language and Human Nature
 * Isabelle Redford

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Hope I could be of assistance.--The Magnificent Clean-keeper (talk) 18:02, 21 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Grundle2600 (talk) 20:44, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Roundabout
Nice link you added to the article. Funny in parts and yet serious about the issue.--The Magnificent Clean-keeper (talk) 18:36, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I also thought it was a great article. I had no idea that they were so much safer than traffic lights. It's a shame the U.S. doesn't have a lot more of them. Grundle2600 (talk) 18:58, 22 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, I wouldn't call it a shame but rather a fear of the unknown. Your linked article puts it quite good in perspective. BTW, the basic principle on how it works is that you're watching mostly the traffic in front of you meanwhile the drivers behind you watch out for you. It takes time to get used to that kind of mentality for most of US [sic].--The Magnificent Clean-keeper (talk) 20:08, 22 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Heh. Back in my home state of Massachusetts, we had a lot of roundabouts, which we called "rotaries".  They were not especially safe, especially considering the Boston-driver ethos of "Fuck him".  There are still notable rotaries, which create notable traffic jams, on Cape Cod, especially the ones at the foot of the Sagamore Bridge and outside the Hyannis airport.  You do not want to enter, or more precisely try to enter, either of these rotaries on a busy summer afternoon.  Still, they're better than four-way stop signs, which Boston drivers generally ignore, assuming the other guy will stop.  PhGustaf (talk) 22:12, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for making WP:NODRAMA a success!
Thank you again for your support of the Great Wikipedia Dramaout. Preliminary statistics indicate that 129 new articles were created, 203 other articles were improved, and 183 images were uploaded. Additionally, 41 articles were nominated for DYK, of which at least 2 have already been promoted. There are currently also 8 articles up for GA status and 3 up for FA/FL status. Though the campaign is technically over, please continue to update the log page at WP:NODRAMA/L with any articles which you worked during the campaign, and also to note any that receive commendation, such as DYK, GA or FA status. You may find the following links helpful in nominating your work:


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You're welcome! I had fun! Grundle2600 (talk) 02:18, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

R.I.P. Les Lye, actor from You Can't Do That On Television
R.I.P.

Grundle2600 (talk) 02:25, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Request to be unblocked

 * Hi Grundle -- It doesn't look like you are "blocked", but some variation of a topic ban. I don't think an admin answering an unblock template would be able to un-topic ban you. I suspect that the proper venue for making such a request will be the same venue that enacted the ban (ANI? ArbCom?), but I'm not 1000% sure on that. Perhaps ask admin or the arbcom person who closed the discussion on your ban for guidance on where to go to appeal it..? best of luck, --guyzero | talk 16:40, 24 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I believe the right place to ask is Arbitration/Requests/Amendment. PhGustaf (talk) 16:47, 24 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you - both of you. I appreciate your help and suggestions. Grundle2600 (talk) 16:58, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

I have added the "nowiki" tag to undo my request on my talk page, in a manner that still leaves the text of the request on my talk page. Grundle2600 (talk) 17:00, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Moved Helioculture to Joule Biotechnologies
First, props on creating the article. However, I've moved it to what I believe is the proper name - "Joule Biotechnologies Inc". Since there are very few citations of the term "helioculture" outside of the context of Joule, it can't be supported as a separate article at this point. If the term were to become common, then it would make sense to create a separate article with that name. For now, I've moved the article, keeping all the history and talk page intact. I look forward to working on it with you. Looks like cool stuff. Ronnotel (talk) 02:09, 29 July 2009 (UTC)


 * OK. Thanks for your praise on my work on the article, and thanks for telling me about the move. Grundle2600 (talk) 02:14, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Amended remedy
The Committee has amended several remedies of Requests_for_arbitration/Obama_articles, at least one of which mentions your name. You may view the amended remedies at Requests_for_arbitration/Obama_articles.


 * On behalf of the Committee.  MBisanz  talk 03:25, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Discuss this

Thanks. Grundle2600 (talk) 17:10, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Bare-faced Bulbul
That's fantastic - thanks for telling me! I really had a lot of fun working on that article. Grundle2600 (talk) 02:34, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Impostors
Yes, the users BBBfan and Childof12AM are most certainly socks of each other - and probably of one of the impostor accounts from earlier this summer, for example maybe the one who created a bunch of socks of Axmann8, or possibly a couple others I can think of. Obviously trying to foment trouble in connection with the contact ban. Neither of us falling for it. We weren't born yesterday. I took it to Versageek because I think he's a checkuser. He hasn't answered yet, so I might take it to another one. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 05:51, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, and CoM asked how Childof12AM was detected when he has nothing in his contribs log. The answer is that he was, by chance, trapped by an editing-abuse filter that was set up for another purpose. For security reasons, I'd prefer not to say any more than that. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 06:06, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * One of the admins' tasks is to watch for editors who fall into editing-abuse traps. Those so trapped are typically indef'd on sight, as Childof12AM was. BBBfan (hey, the sock really has subtle creative skills, doesn't he?) is currently sitting at WP:AIV where I've also requested an indef, but they seem a little backlogged there. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 06:11, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know. And yes, I agree that BBBfan is not exactly the most creative user name for an imposter. Grundle2600 (talk) 13:25, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Take, now that would've been a creative impostor name. Tarc (talk) 13:39, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * There have been a few like that. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 16:10, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Somehow this reminds me of "How to Play Baseball", a goofy cartoon by one of Bug's competitors. There doesn't seem to be much about it on the net (beyond the usual YouTube copyright abuse), but this is pretty goofy by itself. PhGustaf (talk) 18:23, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Not only are they socks of each other, but they are also socks of a "sleeper" account created on June 14, called BO2ip01. Sound familiar? That's similar to BQZip01, who was being hassled by several accounts around that time, including someone pretending to be Caden, another right-leaning user. Recall there was a similar attack on Axmann8, although no useful info came out of that investigation. But there's a pattern emerging here, if checkusers would go that extra step. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 01:26, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm telling you all this stuff because I'm not supposed to post on CoM's page, but you can inform him if you think he'd be interested. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 01:27, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, my history of admin chastisement is almost virgin snow. CoM, on the other hand, routinely tweaks the edges of hir restrictions, and is bound to plummet. PhGustaf (talk) 02:12, 12 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Don't "worry". CoM is watching Grundles page so he's informed or will be next time he checks.--The Magnificent Clean-keeper (talk) 03:28, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't know who's watching what. Anyway, I think the investigation is cold. My guess is the guy is IP-hopping. But the pattern is clear. Probably the best we can do is whack the next moles of that type that come along. The June 14 sock is what bothers me, though. There's something there, we just can't quite get the grip on it. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 04:34, 12 August 2009 (UTC)


 * User:BBBfan has made a constructive edit to HD 172555, an article that I recently started. He/she also made a constructive edit to Sock - his/her choice to edit that particular article is quite amusing. Grundle2600 (talk) 04:38, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, what an extraordinary coincidence. "HAD made" is probably the right usage, since it's indef'd now. Those are called throwaway edits, random edits intended to give the illusion of legitimacy. But when a redlink's first edit is to go straight to a user and point out something at another page, I use the term "fishy". Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 05:00, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Hey Grundle
How come you can't edit political articles? Is it because you created an article about Barack spatting a fly? Richard (talk) 05:51, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * That was indeed one of the cited reasons. You can read the decision at Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive548.


 * Personally, I think there are a lot of people here who are afraid to have well sourced negative information about Obama in the articles, and I think that's the real reason I was topic banned.


 * For example, Tarc, the person who started the discussion which led to my topic ban, has made many comments at Talk:Gerald Walpin against including well sourced negative information about Obama, but has refused to answer my specific questions about why the information should not be included.


 * Tarc has refused to answer these questions from me at Talk:Gerald Walpin: "Please explain why you think there's no 'controversy' in the fact that Obama fired Walpin after Walpin accused one of Obama's freinds of corruption. Please explain why you think there's no 'controversy' in the fact that Obama justified firing Walpin by accusing Walpin of being incoherent, but then more than 100 prominent people signed a bipartisian petition saying that Obama's accusations against Walpin were false. Please explain why you think The Washington Post, The New York Times, The Boston Globe, The Seattle Times, The Chicago Tribune, The Miami Herald, Politico, The San Francisco Chronicle, ABC News, U.S. News & World Report, The Altanta Journal Constitution, Brietbart, Associated Press Salon, and the Wall St. Journal are not 'reliable' sources." Tarc has repeatedly refused to answer these questions.


 * Tarc just wants the Gerald Walpin article to be censored - he is against including well sourced criticism of Obama, and that's the real reason why he had me topic banned.


 * Grundle2600 (talk) 15:38, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Sorry to hear that. I wish you the best of luck through your adventure of trying to add sourced information on Wikipedia. Richard (talk) 20:48, 17 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks! Grundle2600 (talk) 20:50, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Health
I see there is some scrutiny of David Axelrod's lobbying and astroturfing firm getting lots of money for ads on health care (of course Axelrod and the firm also worked with Michelle Obama to help dump expensive patients out of the hospital she worked at). It's getting interesting. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:30, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes. Michelle Malkin's new book Culture of Corruption: Obama and His Team of Tax Cheats, Crooks, and Cronies, which has been #1 at the New York Times bestseller list for two weeks now, talks about Michelle Obama's patient dumping. Grundle2600 (talk) 18:45, 19 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Malkin has this new column on Axelrod. Grundle2600 (talk) 20:35, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Asian predatory wasp
Haha, when I saw this in the news a few days ago, I was sure you'd create an article about it. Looks like I was right. Good job. But have you considered to contribute to Wikinews instead of Wikipedia? Most of your articles (no matter if political, scientific or whatever in nature) seem to be News.  SPLETTE &#32;:]&#32;How's my driving? 20:45, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. All species are encyclopedic. This article will be worked on and edited for years to come. I don't even have an account at wikinews. Grundle2600 (talk) 20:47, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's just a stub for now but that's okay. I wasn't implying it was not encyclopediac. I'd be very surprised if this article gets a AfD. No, my point is, that it seems 90% of your edits and article creations are based on News sources. That is the reason for editors (including myself) to often criticise your edits and citing WP:NEWS as the reason. I believe you would find much less opposition at Wikinews, because this particular rule obviously doesn't apply there. So, consider it at least...
 * As for the account. I recently got a unified login. It is pretty useful. You can get it here. An account for Wikinews will be created automatically, if I am not mistaken.  SPLETTE &#32;:]&#32;How's my driving? 21:04, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks - I didn't mean that it was hard for me to create an account - I just meant that I wasn't interested in writing news articles. I do understand your point about other editors' objections to some of my political edits and recentism - thank you for pointing that out. Grundle2600 (talk) 21:32, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

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 * You just started editing wikipedia a day ago, and you've already put the same message on dozens of other people's talk pages, many of them for promotional images. There's a reason they are called promotional images. The creator of the image wants people to see the image. Grundle2600 (talk) 04:09, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

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I put the image back in the article, and explained why on the article's talk page. Grundle2600 (talk) 06:52, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Mangroomer


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 * Declined G11, but sounds like a television commercial and would have to be rewritten from the ground up to be encyclopedic.

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I removed the tag from the article, and explained why on the article's talk page. Grundle2600 (talk) 06:53, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

WikiLove
 Richard (talk) has given you a dove! Doves promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day happier. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a dove, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past (this fits perfectly) or a good friend. Cheers!

Spread the peace of doves by adding {{subst:Peace dove}} to someone's talk page with a friendly message!

Thanks! Grundle2600 (talk) 16:19, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Important stuff
It's late here so I haven't had a chance to look into the subjects in detail, but all three of these stories seem to be of (vital?) interest:, , and. Take care. ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:09, 27 August 2009 (UTC) This is also interesting. ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:27, 27 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you! Yes, they are interesting. Grundle2600 (talk) 15:00, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

ChildofMidnight topic banned
As a party to the Obama articles arbitration case, you are notified as a courtesy of this amendment to the final decision.

By motion of the Committee at Arbitration/Requests/Clarification,

Discussion of this motion should be directed here.

For the Arbitration Committee, AGK 12:53, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

I supposed that "broadly construed across all namespaces" even includes my own talk page. But I like talking with him about that topic on my own talk page. I don't think it's fair to apply the ban to my own talk page when I have no objection to him discussing that topic on my talk page. Grundle2600 (talk) 15:52, 29 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I would be very surprised if this includes your talk page.  SPLETTE &#32;:]&#32;How's my driving? 17:01, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Things to remember when my topic ban expires
My topic ban on editing political articles ends on September 26, 2009.

Here are some reminders to myself. Anyone else who wishes to add to this, please feel free to do so - thanks.

1) Don't edit war!

2) Don't edit war!

3) Don't edit war!

4) Don't start crazy Obama related articles, because the consensus has decided that such articles should not be started.

5) Don't edit war!

Grundle2600 (talk) 17:12, 30 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Don't use wnd.com, obamacrimes.com, or random blogs as your sources. Keep WP:WEIGHT in mind when adding information.  Good luck when you get back.  (But remember that you'll be on a shortish leash.) PhGustaf (talk) 17:23, 30 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I had never heard of obamacrimes.com - but I now see that it is a real website! Grundle2600 (talk) 19:35, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Books
Hey Grundle. I know you're a fan of Michelle Malkin and her new book, but although well meaning, your mentioning it on the talk pages of editors may come across as taunting. I'm confident you're sincere in you interest in the book, but there are many editors here who have difficulty assuming good faith and who are outrage by anyone even mentioning columnists who they disagree with. Hopefully this gives you a better sense of how they may see your note. Cheers. Enjoy your weekend. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:17, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. The editors I was talking to are good, well meaning, open minded people who just want to improve the articles. If they disagree with my suggestion, that's OK. I just wanted to let them know about it, just in case. Grundle2600 (talk) 19:36, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Summit Candy Bar


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 * I won't argue against deletion of this one, as there really are not many reliable sources on the subject, and very little information is available. I did enjoy eating the product very much, until they took out the peanuts. Grundle2600 (talk) 16:59, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I added some citations. Others I can't view because they aren't recent. I could see a case for a merge if there were an appropriate target, but I think it's a notable subject that shouldn't be deleted. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:21, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for adding to the article! Grundle2600 (talk) 23:00, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Bad faith edits
Hello Grundle2600, would you mind doing the public and yourself a favor and grow up a little bit, it has become obviously clear that you seem to denote a certain political viewpoint.--Restingpeace (talk) 08:41, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * All editors, including me and you and everyone else here, has a certain viewpoint. What matters is that reliable sources are cited, and all points of view are represented. Grundle2600 (talk) 16:54, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * RP's thread title is very hostile and inappropriate. But I do think it indicates how easy it is for misunderstandings to happen online, which is what I was trying to get at with my comment above. I think political discussion, even when it is friendly, is best done elsewhere or at least kept light and among friends. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:26, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Dan Brown (YouTube)


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 * Notability not asserted, 57 Ghits for an exact search and no significant coverage.

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 * The article does a good job of establishing the notability of its subject. Grundle2600 (talk) 11:10, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Dan Brown (YouTube)


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For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this.  Kyle  1278  02:45, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Barack Obama Joker poster


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 * I created that article about the artist, not the poster. Then someone moved it to the poster. Since it then wrongly looked as if I had violated my topic ban on political articles, I promised not to edit it any more. Than it was deleted. Then it was undeleted. I no longer have anything to do with the article. I do not edit it any more. Grundle2600 (talk) 11:08, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Dick Armey
The article is diturbing. Maybe you´d take a look.--Die4Dixie (talk) 04:32, 9 September 2009 (UTC)


 * What specifically do you think is disturbing about it? Grundle2600 (talk) 11:09, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * COM made the edits that rectified it. All better now. Thanks for looking.--Die4Dixie (talk) 00:10, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion nomination of Dan Brown (YouTube)
I have nominated Dan Brown (YouTube), an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Articles for deletion/Dan Brown (YouTube). Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. Darrenhusted (talk) 10:45, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Re: the early close, Ikip asked if I was happy with a redirect instead and I agreed, so the discussion was closed. But as the article was recreated then the discussion was re-opened. The "early close-redirect" is something that has been mooted at the AfD project discussion page. Darrenhusted (talk) 23:12, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_deletion Ikip (talk) 23:47, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of UK Church of the Jedi
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Project Icarus
Grundle, why not have a go at Did you know with this interesting article. It would just need expanded about 400 characters.  Grsz 11  04:02, 17 September 2009 (UTC)


 * That's a great idea - I hope you have a lot of fun writing it! Grundle2600 (talk) 11:03, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of File:Air Force One photo op incident photp.jpg
A tag has been placed on File:Air Force One photo op incident photp.jpg requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the image is an unused redundant copy (all pixels the same or scaled down) of an image in the same file format, which is on Wikipedia (not on Commons), and all inward links have been updated.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines.  Vancouver Outlaw  (Speak)  06:47, 17 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Since the image is no longer in the article, and has been replaced by a different image, which apparently is better, then I don't have any objection to the deletion. Grundle2600 (talk) 11:02, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

George H.W. Bush vomiting incident
This article might interest you. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:42, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing that out to me. I would vote to keep it, except that I was told that my topic ban also covers deletion discussions. Grundle2600 (talk) 21:07, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Did you see that G Dub's pretzel incident is also under the gun? I have no idea why every Olympic athlete that ever competed is considered automatically notable, but people want to delete these major events that received massive interest and media coverage. A merge would maybe make sense, but why and to where? I think a lot of it is that people don't think they are "serious" enough articles, but I have no idea how deleting them makes the encyclopedia better. But we'll see. It all seems like a lot of fly swatting. ;) ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:58, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, I saw the pretzel one. Nice deleted fly swatting article reference! I also do not see how deleting such articles improves the encyclopedia. Grundle2600 (talk) 22:19, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I just noticed this article is mentioned in the discussion Jimmy Carter rabbit incident. I had never even heard about it. Thank goodness for those who created and who had the good sense not to delete it so we could learn from it. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:02, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The article doesn't mention why it's called the "killer rabbit," but I bet it has something to do with Monty Python. Grundle2600 (talk) 23:11, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Project Icarus
Thanks! Grundle2600 (talk) 04:22, 23 September 2009 (UTC)