User talk:Grunt/archive1

User talk:152.163.253.97
Could you please comment on the IP address "New Messages" issue I posted at the end of the 152.163.253.97 user talk page, after I got notification of a new message. Thanks. --218.50.191.197 17:37, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Tom Peters aka 194.109.250.130
You left me message to create an account. I've had one for quite some time (Tom Peters) but I do not always bother to log in when stumbling over something that itches me to make a quick fix. I suppose that is against wikiquette, but I'm not alone (see previous taler). TP 20040815T23:16 UTC

I already have an account - I just get lazy when I'm on a public computer. 163.120.95.143 02:25, 13 Jun 2004 (UTC) aka WhisperToMe

Campbell Soup Company
Ohhhhhh, I was wondering how the hell we could have gone this long without a real article on that, and I was especially thrown because Andy Warhol didn't link to it. Thanks! - DropDeadGorgias (talk) 01:05, Jun 15, 2004 (UTC)

???
 * Yeeeeeeeees? -- Grunt 22:00, 2004 Jun 18 (UTC)

Can you answer this question??
What category can Category:Pixar films be a sub-category of?? 66.245.3.129 22:19, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * I would suggest Category:Films. -- Grunt 22:20, 2004 Jun 20 (UTC)

Karl Lieberherr
To move an article, please click the 'Move this page' link at the side of the article and follow the instructions. At no time should you ever copy and paste (what you did in this instance) as the edit history needs to be kept in tact. -- Graham :) | Talk 23:21, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * Sorry, didn't realise said link existed. Thanks for pointing this out. -- Grunt 23:27, 2004 Jun 20 (UTC)

Unneeded pages
Hiya. Do you still need the pages User:Grunt/Nonsensical redirect and User:Grunt/Page that links to a redirect back to itself? If not, can I delete them? &mdash; Timwi 00:39, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * Go ahead and delete them; I made those in a bout of complete boredom to illustrate a point a while back, but I don't need them anymore. ;) -- Grunt 01:02, 2004 Jun 23 (UTC)

Soap substubs
If they look really crappy, just redirect them to the show in question. That's what Lucky 6.9 and I have been doing. Leave them until someone else with more flair for writing can do them properly. Mike H 02:26, Jun 27, 2004 (UTC)
 * If they stay as stubs long enough, someone else with more flair for writing will be able to come along anyways. There's no need to make them redirects, IMHO, as the actors/actresses themselves deserve articles. -- Grunt (talk) 02:29, 2004 Jun 27 (UTC)

re: User_talk:217.204.169.169
Thanks for the invitation to join WP (probably as a result of my copyedit page?), I am a member already :) Your talk message has prompted me to add redirects for the IP address to my username. Cheers. Mat-C 20:34, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)

msg:
Thanks for telling me about the msg: tag being of no use, but will it cause any harm for me to continue using it? I'm assuming that it was made useless by catagorization/templates, so please tell me otherwise if my assumption was wrong. Thanks! -Frazzydee 03:49, 1 Jul 2004 (UTC)

PFD
Grunt, I reverted your edits to TheCustomOfLife's page because it looked like a personal attack. Now I'm here, it looks like you're friends? Anyway, if it wasn't an attack, it really looked like one. I don't think PFD is a good idea -- what's the point of it? Won't it be likely to upset some people? Jwrosenzweig 21:42, 1 Jul 2004 (UTC)
 * It's a joke that's gotten out of control. If you want, I can remove it (and maybe put it on BJAODN :P). -- Grunt (talk) 21:43, 2004 Jul 1 (UTC)
 * I personally would rather you removed it. I understand jokes at Wikipedia's expense (my personal fave was Church of Wikipedia), but I think this one has the real possibility of upsetting people.  If you feel comfortable having it deleted, let me know and I'll do so.  Thanks. :-) Jwrosenzweig 21:44, 1 Jul 2004 (UTC)
 * It has been moved to a subpage on BJAODN. Needs no deletion now. -- Grunt (talk) 21:47, 2004 Jul 1 (UTC)

Congratulations
Congratulations, my dear friend. The sweat and blood you've poured into Wikipedia is appreciated, not to mention yummy. Thank you for continuing to do the dirty work. Thank you for your countless grunts and ezafknalbs. Ah, the memories. I hope you will treasure this Working Man's Barnstar, for it is a symbol of proud SDC-zappers and IP-anon-welcomers everywhere. blankfaze | &bull;&bull; | &bull;&bull; 03:47, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)

talk
"Please stop adding nonsense to the Wikipedia. It is considered vandalism. If you want to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. -- Grunt (talk) 01:19, 2004 Jul 7 (UTC)"

i don't remember doing this.

talk
i forgot to post my email if u need to contact me: scott@flooda.us

People for Deletion
Ssd has placed People for Deletion on Votes for Deletion. Mike H 17:15, Jul 17, 2004 (UTC)

re: Python
Hi, This is regarding your comment http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:219.65.112.119 Can we atleast mention the readers that there is a language called Python exists. The java and VB pages discusses about languages like C and C++, then why can't we have Python
 * C and C++ are mentioned in Java because the languages are syntactically similar. Also, if the reader wishes to know more about programming languages - we have Category:Programming languages for that. Stating that Python is preferred to VB or that Java has been superceded by Python is subjective and therefore does not belong on Wikipedia. -- Grunt (talk) 18:16, 2004 Jul 18 (UTC)
 * Ok, I understood now. Is there any *notification* kindof stuff (that popups on ur desktop), when certain pages are modified ??
 * If you wish to keep track of a certain page, you will need to create an account, which will then give you access to the Watchlist feature. This will display the last edits to any pages you wish to keep track of; you won't actually be notified, but you will know if there have been changes to the pages you are looking at just by viewing the list. I hope this is close to what you have in mind... -- Grunt (talk) 18:25, 2004 Jul 18 (UTC)

Thanks...
...for reverting vandalism on my user page.--Ëzhiki
 * Just doing my Grunt work, sir ;) -- Grunt (talk) 19:11, 2004 Jul 18 (UTC)

Nonetheless, it is much appreciated. Tom 04:01, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Montt "protected"
I am not an editor on this page and have no opinion on which is the correct version. I protected the page after I picked up the request from Recent Changes and saw that an edit war was, in fact, going on. As it happens, the protected version is the same as the version before the edit wars.

I suggest you and others make their case on the talk page of the Montt article and that you also post a neutral description of the dispute at Requests for comment, so others can comment as well.

Regards, Cecropia | Talk 03:28, 24 Jul 2004 (UTC)


 * No, I am not the anon who posted this. I was just replying to their comment. -- Grunt (talk) 03:30, 2004 Jul 24 (UTC)


 * Ah, got it. "Wrong version" is a great page! LOL! -- Cecropia | Talk 03:36, 24 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Discussion
You haven't yet let anyone know about the discussion at Talk:List of flags by color. I put a message on Pages needing attention so that more people could be aware of it. 66.245.2.190 16:21, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)

WikiProject Computer and Video Games
Grunt, I noticed your contribution to the X-COM: UFO Defense article and the addition of the infobox for the game. In your summary, you noted you were looking forward to the WikiProject Video Games. I thought you'd be interested to know the project is underway and can be found at WikiProject Computer and Video Games. I noticed you hadn't listed your name under Participants, so you might not be aware of its existence.

Actually, right now we're taking a vote on the standardized infobox to use. If you like, you can add yourself to the list of participants and add your vote and any comments at Rock the Vote!. :-) Hope to see you on the project!  &mdash; Frecklefoot | Talk 19:41, Aug 6, 2004 (UTC)
 * You're right. I didn't know this project existed. Thanks for pointing this out to me. :) -- Grunt (talk) 00:53, 2004 Aug 7 (UTC)

Vandalized twice?
I don't know whether you prefer British or American spelling but a helpful anon either fixed or vandalized your user psage, depending on how you look at it. Just a heads up. Rhobite 03:39, Aug 11, 2004 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your concern. I would consider it vandalism FYI. :) -- Grunt (talk) 14:32, 2004 Aug 11 (UTC)

it was vandalized again, some anon replaced the text with an insult. i just reverted. have a look at history. nice pics on your page btw Lady Tenar 21:49, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your assistance, and feel free to increment the vandalism counter on my behalf if you so desire ;) -- Grunt (talk) 22:37, 2004 Aug 11 (UTC)

Thank ye kind sir
Thanks for the note, and for the reverts. Much appreciated. :) -- Hadal 02:03, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)

No problem
And now, back to work...Metropolis needs me! Best wishes, [[User:Meelar|Meelar (talk)]] 19:51, 2004 Aug 13 (UTC)

Thank you!
Thanks for the photoshop job! :) Neutrality 22:27, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Actually, it was a GIMP job, but nevermind, it's done now ;) -- Grunt (talk) 23:14, 2004 Aug 13 (UTC)
 * By the way, can I ask you a favor? Would you vote "aye" in my nomination for adminship? I'd be extraordinarily grateful if you would. :) Neutrality 23:37, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Oh, of course I would. ;) -- Grunt (talk) 23:39, 2004 Aug 15 (UTC)

What kind of logic is that?
I find this amazingly unintelligent. --Amir
 * I quote myself: "That depends on the content of the articles. If it has been shown to be valid in other materials, it will stay. It is still possible to add valid information into articles without removing information that is already there, and this is preferred. If material can be proven to be incorrect, it will be removed. That is one of the reasons we have talk pages." -- Grunt (talk) 00:17, 2004 Aug 16 (UTC)

Thank you!
Hello Grunt. I just wanted to thank you for awarding me the Working Man's Barnstar. I really appreciate it, and I'll definately continue to chase after malefic vandals and clueless testers. Even though my user page has not been vandalized, you have made me feel very important to the project :P -Frazzydee 01:14, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * I can vandalise your user page if it'll help. :D -- Grunt (talk) 01:20, 2004 Aug 16 (UTC)

at the Opentask .....
Dear fellow WikiCanadian,

You work so fast ! I can't keep up .... esp. when I should stay offline to do real work ....

But may I suggest putting back Babyshambles ? It needs more wikifying. And Italian Navy would probably need some expansion. It would be a good standby topic till Law firm gets old .....

Just my 2 cents ....

TakeCare,

-- PFHLai 03:40, 2004 Aug 18 (UTC) (it's late in Toronto, ... zzzzz)

I have just re-stocked the Template:Opentask. Now, I am really going to bed.... zzzzZZZZ .... Cheers. -- PFHLai 05:56, 2004 Aug 18 (UTC)

Excuse me, User:Grunt, I need your help.

The Template:Opentask, as one may find in 'what links here' on that page, is often used in greetings to newbies. I have been stocking easy to handle "tasks", mixed in with some challenging ones, for the newbies. Would you mind helping out a bit, please ? I can't keep up with your rapid clearing. (If you clear pucks just as quickly, I want you on my blueline !)

Good call on the copyvio (Steve R. Nagel), but I usually let a few different wikipedians take a stab at fixing an item, or let it sit unattended for a few days (indicating a lack of interest) before replacing it. Sometimes, the items you removed from the Copyedit line are not that well copyedited after just one or two edits .... And freshly created items are often stubs, so they may be better moved down the template, instead of out. (And I lose track of things when items come and go without being logged in the Edit summary. But I won't be checking much the next little while, so never mind ...)

I am supposed to be taking my Wikivacation. And I feel uneasy about leaving the Opentask template unattended. A barren 'Template:Opentask' is not going to be useful, either as part of a greeting or part of the 'Community Portal'.

This is all I ask: Please slow down your clearing, and if possible, please replenish when removing items from the template. (I usually find them at 'Cleanup' and 'Deadend Pages'.)

Many thanks.

-- PFHLai 04:00, 2004 Aug 19 (UTC)

B-Movie Bandit
Love the work you do and I appreciate the Barnstar, but we're trying to get those damned B-Movie Bandit substubs deleted on sight. Thanks for the effort, but these stupid things have just got to go. I'm going to revert the Marj Dusay stub and post it as a speedy not because of your work, but to get rid of it until a better article comes along. It's a matter of principle at this point. Thanks. I really do appreciate your help. - Lucky 6.9 18:37, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * If you'd care to wait for a bit, we have Jimbo on IRC and are currently explaining the problem to him. Expect an executive decision relatively soon... -- Grunt (talk) 18:38, 2004 Aug 18 (UTC)


 * Dude, that is wonderful news! Please drop me a note when a decision is made.  I wrote to him about the problem a couple of months ago, which is why I began a discussion on Village Pump in the first place.  You made my day.  Thank you! - Lucky 6.9 19:53, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Bot Request
I moved your HTML cleanup bot request to Bot requests. Kevin Rector 14:32, Aug 19, 2004 (UTC)

re: insanity templates
Good evening, Grunt. I read your comments on VfD about the use of the "insanity" templates. Unfortunately, the intention that the templates were not meant to insult has not proven out in practice. I can remember at least one case where the template was added with intent to insult and countless cases where, regardless of intent, others took it as insult. I'm struggling to see your point of view and to see some redeeming value to the templates. Instead, all I see is a threat to the civility necessary for the community to function. What research can I do to provide evidence that might change your mind on this one? Thanks. Rossami 21:18, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Metric time
Hi, just thought I'd let you know that there appears to be someone vandalising the Metric time article. The editor in question appears to be pushing original research and a particular non-standard POV into this and related calendar/time articles (see their edit history: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Contributions&target=81.225.211.117 ). I've reverted to your version several times. You might want to keep an eye on it. --Gene_poole 22:59, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the cookie (crunch crunch). S/He is either a newbie who needs some guidance or a future problem user. I hope for the first. -- Chris 73 Talk 15:05, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

WikiProject_VideoGames
Are you ever going to get this going?

You're the only member but I'd like to help out. --TIB (talk) 04:32, Aug 20, 2004 (UTC)
 * It's been superceded by WikiProject Computer and Video Games. Go look there and you can help. ;) -- Grunt (talk) 14:19, 2004 Aug 20 (UTC)

Grunt please be careful Prem Rawat is a hornet's nest
Look here what a disinformation I found in the article that I removed yesterday. :I have removed the whole explanation by students/followers about arathi/arthi because I found Jim Heller's explanation that the arthi to brother and actors is very different from the one to Maharaji convincing. I also removed the following sentence, which is totally untrue. ::"In a handful of occasions in the past decade, students in the West have sung Arti to Maharaji." :Now read this from a Premie Guidebook, (DLM 1975) In which "a schedule is highly recommended" that includes Arti two times a day ! Andries 08:04, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)


 * Surely very minor additions of material that is apparently mistakenly reverted can't hurt. Even if someone takes it that way I'm well prepared to deal with angry vandals headed out here (just see the vandalism counter on my userpage :p) -- Grunt (talk) 15:11, 2004 Aug 22 (UTC)


 * Grunt, I wish it was mere vandalism but it is intellectual dishonesty and self deception. The supporters will do anything to protect their domino world view because they are so emotionally invested. Andries 15:17, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you should request page protection and attempt to talk it out with these people... -- Grunt (talk) 15:18, 2004 Aug 22 (UTC)


 * Grunt, I will think about but I think that again putting on Request for comments list may be a better idea. The dispute is persistent and deep rooted. Andries 15:29, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)


 * Andries: whay are you not honest and explain to Steven that you are one of the main protagonists in this deeply rooted dispute? Instead of calming the waters, you keep adding fuel to the already burning fire. Putting it on the Request for comments is not going to help, and you know it.... The ex-followers will not be satisfied with anything else that a complete re-write of the article to reflect their POV. They have clearly stated that in the talk page as well as in their bulleting board. And you seem to be of the same opinion, if one can judge by your actions on that article.--jossi 23:21, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * This is exactly why I would like the article to be protected - so that we can attempt to reach some sort of compromise. -- Grunt (talk) 23:23, 2004 Aug 22 (UTC)


 * IMO the page needs protection again. Today may changes were made bt Ed Poor, Zappaz and Senegal that may lead the way for a stable article, but I fear edit wars will ensue as the critcis are not happy about their POV not being made predominant. --jossi

Vote
I gave you my vote, dawg! Mike H 18:32, Aug 22, 2004 (UTC)

Well...
Well, you aren't the one who wrote it. Adam Bishop was. 66.245.99.94 23:48, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)

In reply to the REFERRER
thanks! ;) (this page is confusing me.) You even fixed the redirects. Quick work... quite scary how this wiki stuff is alive :) User:paniq

Vandalism
Hi Grunt, I rv'd some vandalism to your userpage; TCOL beat me to it though so the only edit of mine that went through was the incrementing of the counter. Anyhow... I already incremented the counter for you.

Node 04:03, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Thanks :) -- Grunt (talk) 14:52, 2004 Aug 23 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the welcome. I've actually already got an account - I'm not logging into it in an (apparently utterly fruitless) attempt to break my wikiholism. I may just have to ride out the storm, wait until I naturally tire of WP and live with the consequences. Unfortunately, last time I was this addicted to something online (the talkboards of The Guardian) it took two years and cost me my job before I shook it off. --195.11.216.59 15:05, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Super Star Destroyer
What shall we do about the anon? --Golbez 18:05, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * I don't know yet. I'm thinking about perhaps bringing this up on RFC so that more people will come to help. -- Grunt (talk) 18:06, 2004 Aug 23 (UTC)
 * I'll also point out that this is happening on Star Destroyer and Imperial Star Destroyer too. -- Grunt (talk) 18:07, 2004 Aug 23 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I just noticed. I'll pop those in my watchlist, but I am not a fan of passing 3 reverts a day - which 66 has done repeatedly. That alone should be grounds for some action. I just hope this doesn't sound like a stupid revert war. :P --Golbez 19:21, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

adminship
Dear Grunt,

Yes, I will treat the "keys to the mop closet" well. :-) Thank you very much for your vote in support of my nomination for adminship.

-- PFHLai 03:41, 2004 Aug 24 (UTC)

Aesop
I can't figure out what happened to the page Aesop since you last reverted it. There was this weird message about it not being found in the database: see version of: 19:35, Aug 24, 2004. Looking at the history it would seem you reverted it to become an error message, but that seems unlikely. I've reverted it back to a good version. Maybe a bug? --Costyn 11:06, Aug 26, 2004 (UTC)
 * Yeah, this was a recurring bug at the time. It seems to have gone away now. -- Grunt (talk) 14:09, 2004 Aug 26 (UTC)

Userpage vandalism
It's amazing how much can happen on Wikipedia during one's lunch break :-) Thanks for helping me survive my first personal attack here. :-) --Diberri | Talk 20:46, Aug 26, 2004 (UTC)

The car overwriting "vandal"
Thanks for getting rid of the mess, that's about the fourth time someone (probably the same person) has done that. Any idea where they get the text they paste in? &mdash;Morven 21:50, Aug 26, 2004 (UTC)
 * That's five times, actually. No, I don't know where the text is coming from, but if I find out I will let you know. -- Grunt (talk) 21:51, 2004 Aug 26 (UTC)

Vandalism
You got it for the sweet sixteenth time. I reverted it and changed the counter accordingly. Mike H 22:00, Aug 26, 2004 (UTC)

50!!!
After getting an incredible 50 supporting votes, you are now an administrator. You should read the relevant policies and other pages linked to from the administrators' reading list before carrying out tasks like deletion, protection, banning users, and editing protected pages. Most of what you do is easily reversible by other sysops, apart from page history merges and image deletion, so please be especially careful with those. You might find the administrators' how-to guide helpful. Congratulations and good luck. Angela. 22:47, Aug 28, 2004 (UTC)

Acronym
I see you protected the page. Can you please protect it on a different version, before Nohat's revert war instead? Nohat's reverts deleted much info from the page. I added a note on RFC on the article while you were protecting it. 23:08, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * I direct you to The wrong version. -- Grunt (talk) 23:09, 2004 Aug 28 (UTC)
 * No need to, that page is linked to from enough places. As per that page: "complaints should be made about the state of the page on Protected page, the article's talk page, and the talk page of the sysop who protected it.". All are done, except for "Protected page", which does not list Acronym yet. [[Image:Anarion.png]] 23:14, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for helping to revert the vandalization of my user page. I guess I won't need your vandalizing services anyways :)! Also, congratulations on becoming an administrator! With a whopping 50 votes in favour, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that you will perform excellently, and bring pride to Wikipedia. Thanks also for your ongoing support and general kindness. -Frazzydee 23:43, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Vandalism
I noticed your homepage gets mal-edited with frequency. If you remove counter people might devolve less strong hunger fore to make your homepage ungood.
 * It's ok, I'm used to it. Besides, it makes me feel important. :) -- Grunt 🇪🇺 01:59, 2004 Aug 31 (UTC)

Sorry about that.
The information some one posted was horribly inaccurate. I'm notifying him/her now. Thanks!

What are you on about?
Err.. what are you on about?

Protecting
I understand that one may become really pissed off by edit wars, like in Chechnya article. Please read Three revert rule carefully and be more tolerant. Some people simply don't know the rules. In most cases it really helps to talk to people first. Only if a person persists in unreasonable behavior, admin acions are in order. Also, in some cases it could be more advisable to block a person, rather than an article, since blocking (protecting) an article disturbs many editors. In addition, it is always reasonable to indicate the time the page is to be protected. Thank you. Mikkalai 15:47, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)

And BTW, I hope you are aware that The wrong version is an April Fool's Day's joke. Mikkalai 16:25, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * When things get really out of hand like that, usually people are unwilling to listen to each other or they would already have worked it out. Protecting the page forces the issue and usually helps people to calm down, I find. And yes, I know The Wrong Version is a joke; it helps to lighten people up and call off potential complaints of the sort. :) -- Grunt 🇪🇺 17:35, 2004 Aug 31 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, at the first glance, at the beginning it looks like a valid advice, especially for people not familiar with wikipedia rules. I myself "got it" only in the lower half of the text (may be I am slow... but then, may are, especially those who wage word wars). If a person is smart enough to understand a joke, he most probably doesn't need blocking. But I am pretty sure that many may happily take an advice, e.g., to request to de-sysop someone, seriously and will not read further. Therefore I'd rather not refer to this page for people, especially fresh ones, in the middle of a conflict. Anyway, it is my opinion only, and I will not wage wars over the issue. Good luck in your demilitarization efforts :-). Mikkalai 17:54, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * BTW, out of curiousity: the vandal count on your user page incremented recently. Was it me? Mikkalai 17:56, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Nope. Someone hit the page before you removed your text. :) -- Grunt 🇪🇺 17:57, 2004 Aug 31 (UTC)