User talk:Grunt/archive3

Thanks!
Grunt - many thanks for supporting my adminship! Ðåñηÿßôý | Talk 04:58, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)

'safe'
What is it you think I might do as an admin that might possibly be "unsafe"? Curiously yours, Sam [Spade] 14:37, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * It seems clear to me that either you yourself have made very controversial edits in the past, or that you've somehow found yourself on the wrong side of some other very controversial editors for whatever reason. I personally think that either of these possibilities would be a liability to someone working as an admin; in the first case it would lead to one making controversial decisions as an admin, and in the second case it would mean constantly being harassed by individuals who will question every decision you ever make, which has been more than enough to drive other sysops to insanity. If you think that these are inaccurate views, please say so and explain why; I'm more than happy to listen to reason... -- Grunt 🇪🇺 22:34, 2004 Oct 4 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm pretty sure that the constant harassment I endure here isn't driving me crazy ;) If your concerned about my reputation, or the caterwauling that goes on in my presence, please review my edit history and talk archives. I know its an insane amount of material, but I would ask that you devote enough time to make your opinion more solidly based on my conduct personally, rather than the volume of my opposition. In case you didn't know, I edit controversial subjects almost exclusively, specializing in obscure ones (like vril for example). That results in me being one of only a few editors on pages where tensions are often high. To be frank I think I do an amazing job as a peacemaker considering, and have a pretty good collection of successes. I’d like to think my conduct under pressure aught to speak for itself regarding my character. Here’s hoping you see fit to change your vote, Sam [Spade] 22:55, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)

eleventy-first
Just wanted to compliment you on your eleventy-first vandalism ;) Sam [Spade] 23:28, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Ah, the joys of being a sysop with evil acquaintances. ;) -- Grunt 🇪🇺 23:30, 2004 Oct 4 (UTC)

How long have you been here? I'm quite close to a year, and prob less than 10 vandalisms (by my rough estimate). Sam [Spade] 23:34, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Since the beginning of June, 2004. - Grunt 🇪🇺 23:35, 2004 Oct 4 (UTC)

Wow... so you must be aprox. 200X more annoying to the bad people than, by my rough estimate ;) Good work! :D Sam [Spade] 23:38, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * I suspect that the large quantity of vandalism that comes my way is from those users who get on the wrong side of my grunt work (i.e. vandals.) :p -- Grunt 🇪🇺 23:39, 2004 Oct 4 (UTC)

Administrator Activity Proposal
The page looks like agood idea; great work. I have a mere grammar point with it, and it doesn't seem necessary to stick it on the talk page. The first point of Article I should probably read something like "...within three months previous to the current date..." rather than the current "...three months or less from the current date...". It seems clearer this way. Whosyourjudas (talk) 23:35, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * So noted. I personally feel that the proposal reads better in its current form; if it really turns into an important issue, I will change it. :) -- Grunt 🇪🇺 23:37, 2004 Oct 4 (UTC)
 * I suggested this because it reads almost like an improper usage; "from" implies three months into the future, which is not the concept. My suggestion is more in keeping with point 2's style, and expalins that teh edits were in the most recent 3 months past. Whosyourjudas (talk) 03:15, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Aha. You raise a valid point. I have now reworked the text thereof. -- Grunt 🇪🇺 03:16, 2004 Oct 5 (UTC)
 * Well Grunt, I too feel it could benefit from a bit of tweaking.You wrote on the page "Do not edit this page directly". That precludes anyone wishing to give it a tidyup. I've had a little go (without changing the specifics of your proposal), but have heeded your don't edit notice. See Message for Grunt if you would like to comment. Cheers. Moriori 02:17, Oct 5, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks. :) V V 02:53, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)

URGENT: Opposition to "Sam Spade": See User:Spleeman/Sam Spade
See a critic's tracking of SamSpade's activities on Wikipedia at User:Spleeman/Sam Spade Vote "NO", or reverse your vote, even at this late hour. This is criticle (and critical) information! IZAK 09:46, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

See: User:Spleeman/Sam Spade:


 * From Sam's own user page: User:Sam_Spade/Theoretical_Biases
 * Removes references to groups such as the KKK as "right-wing"
 * Attempts to sugarcoat racist views
 * The claim the Geli Raubal was Hitler's mistress is just that, a claim.
 * Wants Hitler labeled as a socialist on the communism page (see Talk:Communism)
 * Insists on including his personal theories regarding a relationship between nazism and Chinese communism in nazism article:
 * User_talk:Andries
 * Talk:Nazism
 * From Talk:Socialism:
 * "I intend to do what I always have, which is insist that the Nazi's were socialist because... they were." (Sam Spade 00:32, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC))
 * Called another editor a "fascist" (Talk:Socialism). This is similar to his attempts to try to provoke me by implying that I was a nationalist, or not an anarchist:
 * "Enforcing american spelling is a sign of nationalism, and would therefore seem to suggest your not an anarchist? Or perhaps your a "anarcho-nationalist"? ;p" (Sam Spade 08:06, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC), User_talk:Spleeman)
 * "Censorship isn't very anarchist" (Sam Spade 23:25, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC), Talk:Anarchism/Archive10)
 * More on belief in non-racial eugenics: Why Sam is Right Wing (a list by User:Stopthebus18)
 * Stopthebus18: "People (including our country) have done horrible things in the name of eugenics." (StoptheBus18 16:02, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC))
 * Sam Spade: "Seems to work in Singapore. Bad things have been done in the name of all sorts of medicine, but we don't stop going to the doctor, do we?" (Sam Spade 17:21, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC))
 * Guess what everybody!!! "The attempt to paint them [the Nazis] as "reactionaries" is a propagandistic fraud." (Sam Spade 16:11, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC), Talk:Nazism) Wow! You learn something new everyday.... Not.
 * Hmm. For some reason, Sam doesn't want anybody to know that white-supremacist Wolfgang Droege was involved in drug trafficking.


 * I have already performed my own indepth examination of Sam Spade and his recent actions. No bias flaunted at me at this time and place is going to change my mind. -- Grunt 🇪🇺 14:19, 2004 Oct 10 (UTC)

[Wikipedia:Requests for bureaucratship/Grunt]
There is a bit of an argument going on about your statement on your user page about disliking americans. A response from you might clear the matter up. Theresa Knott (The torn steak) 20:05, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Steven, I have replied to your posting re: your RfA. -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 03:53, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)

World citizens
Welcome to the list at Wikipedians/World citizens. We have a good international spread there! Robin Patterson 02:34, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Thanks muchly for the welcome. ;) -- Grunt 🇪🇺 02:43, 2004 Oct 11 (UTC)

Odd request
Just saw on your user page that you're from Saskatchewan and I was wondering if you could help solve a mystery for us residents of Aylesbury in England. We have heard for some time that there is a community called Aylesbury in Saskatchewan but nobody's ever been able to provide real proof of it's existence outside hearsay and the odd wikipedia article. Have you ever been there, and does it actually exist in the real world? -- Graham ☺ | Talk 14:51, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * I've never been there, but I should be able to dig up an official map of Saskatchewan to confirm or deny this. I'll keep you posted. -- Grunt 🇪🇺 14:52, 2004 Oct 11 (UTC)
 * Well if you find out where it is and are ever passing that way, take a camera with you - I'm sure the local press over here would be interested in printing it. -- Graham ☺ | Talk 15:00, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Anti-americanism
I fully consider it valid to hold those views which are in some quarters, labelled "anti-American". Unfortunately, the term also applies to those who hate Americans, the nation of the United States, and everything about it. As such, it perhaps isn't the best idea to describe oneself as "anti-American", even if you oppose US foreign policy, McDonald's culture, etc. (something others will indeed label as anti-American). zoney ♣ talk 17:37, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * I tend to agree. Indeed, imagine the uproar if you were to say you were "Anti-Semitic" because you disagree with a sizable portion of Jewish opinions? I gently urge you to reconsider your phrasing. Also, the majority of Americans do not hold the views of the Bush administration (but it is very close, I will agree). I, again, urge you to also reconsider your generization of "typical" Americans - or at least posting it on your user page. Many thanks. ClockworkTroll 06:15, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Bureaucratship
Just wanted to drop you a line to make sure you understand the opposition to your promotion to a bureaucrat is not anything personal or even that I don't think you should be a bureaucrat, but is just over the procedural matter of ugen64 apparently acting unilaterally in a very, very marginal case. Very Verily 21:40, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)

RfA
Now I've got some homework to do. Thank you for your supportive RfA vote and consideration. Fire Star 13:59, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)

European Union
I'm intrigued as to why you like the European Union. As a "citizen" of it since birth, I can't see any advantages to it. Just wondering what the EU is seen as outside the EU, so a Canadians viewpoint would be good. Kiand 19:12, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)

anti-Americanism
I'm not at all sure what I think anymore about your request for bureaucratship. I opposed for reasons that had nothing to do with your user page. Whether my original reasons for opposition are valid or not I do not know any longer.

One thing I of which I am quite confident, though, is that a declaration one is "Anti-American but only against typical Americans" is, at best, misinformed about the great diversity of the American people. I have traveled all but five of the fifty states and would find it impossible describe the "typical American." Your rationalization, in which you lay the blame for the election of an administration you do not support at the feet of "typical Americans" who "blindly support" said administration, at the very best betrays a poor understanding of U.S. politics. The reasons the current administration is in power are many and varied. It is inaccurate and demeaning to imply that many or most of those who do support the administration do so chiefly out of ignorance.

If you do wish to share a political stance on your user page, I would encourage you to limit your criticisms to the administration and its policies. Better still, instead of criticisms you could share advocacy for those candidates and policies that you believe would be superior. This would be more helpful in understanding your views as well as obviating the need to paint 290 million people in a poor light with a broad brush.

Very kindest regards

uc 22:28, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)

My nomination for adminship
Thank you for supporting my nomination for adminship. I will do my best to serve Wikipedia. --Slowking Man 00:00, Oct 13, 2004 (UTC)

Bureaucratship
Sigh. I'm strongly anti-anti-American, but I've never seen you actually make any anti-American comments or edits, so this whole foofraw is much ado about nothing, as far as I'm concerned. It doesn't look like your bureaucratship will go through. Sorry about that. Keep up the good editing and vandal-hunting. RickK 23:05, Oct 13, 2004 (UTC)

Bureaucratship nomination
I would like to support you for Bureaucratship now or at some point in the future Grunt, I really would. I realize that this may seem odd to you but I have experienced real Anti-American sentiment something I doubt you truly want to be associated with. Please review my questions on the page, my current and future support for your nomination will depend on it. Thanks. -JCarriker 23:29, Oct 13, 2004 (UTC)
 * Please review and answer the questions I posed to you at Recently_created_bureaucrats. Perhaps you did not review the page before voting was closed but I changed my vote to neutral to give you time to respond. As I have said above my support for any futurr nomination depends on your response. I try to restrain my self from assumptions and give other the benefit of the doubt, however if you do not respond to my question I will have no other recourse to assume you either do not take the issue seriously or are unwilling to continue a dialogue. In that event, I will unfotunately have to oppose your nomination. I think it would be unfortunate if your criticism of the Bush Doctrine continues to be interpreted as Anti-American sentiment. Please respond as soon as possible. -JCarriker 04:41, Oct 19, 2004 (UTC)

Requests for adminship/Skyler1534
I have reworded my vote at Skyler1534's adminship nomination. As your vote refers to mine (I think), you may or may not wish to review it. blankfaze | (беседа!)  21:24, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Whoa! Hey thanks mate
Such a strong approval for my admin nomination! I'm totally flattered :) - Ta bu shi da yu 04:19, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Template:Pfd
This does not concern me, but I just thought I'd let you know that Template:Pfd, created by you, has been listed on Templates for deletion. -- Itai 23:19, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Is that still in existence? wow. *deletes* -- Grunt 🇪🇺 23:22, 2004 Oct 16 (UTC)

Hello there :)
Hello, Grunt. I just came back from a wikibreak (~2 weeks)...how have you been? Did I miss any major polls? I presume not much has changed besides the usual. Anyhow, if you have a minute or so to spare, please get back to me! -[[User:Frazzydee|Frazzydee|✍]] 18:12, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)

RTML image
As requested, there is now an image on the RTML article. I had been meaning to do that anyway, really :)  ~leif &#9786; HELO 23:56, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * So noted, and thanks for letting me know. :) -- Grunt 🇪🇺 23:57, 2004 Oct 22 (UTC)

Copyvios
Hello. I notice that you marked Expo '74 as a possible copyright violation, but didn't add a listing at Copyright problems. I think you've done this in some other cases in the past, as well. Adding a listing to WP:CP gives other editors a chance to look at the copyright problem and puts it in line for deletion if necessary after its time on WP:CP is up (I won't say it ensures action, but that's another matter). Besides, the template states that the marked article is listed at WP:CP, so we should try to be consistent with this. Please remember to add WP:CP listings when marking articles with. Thanks. --rbrwr± 11:44, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you very much for your vote for my adminship. I greatly appreciate your support. ffirehorse 23:37, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Danny's contest
Dear Grunt,

please contact me specifying the amount of WikiMoney you require for my victory in the currently running Danny's contest. Alternatively I would be willing to pay in kind.

Yours, [[User:Solitude|Solitude\talk]] 08:48, Oct 26, 2004 (UTC)
 * I resent your attempt at bribery. As such I shall be forced to rank all of your articles at the bottom of the list. ;) -- Grunt 🇪🇺 22:13, 2004 Oct 26 (UTC)
 * Not a bad deal. I should reconsider ;) --BesigedB 22:18, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * I should have know better trying to bribe a notable anti-commercialist ;). -- [[User:Solitude|Solitude\talk]] 12:54, Oct 27, 2004 (UTC)

U of Alberta
Edmonton is boring for ppl your age, I'm visiting there, go to U of Ontario engineering or McGill, thats what im doing in 2005 if i get in 209.197.155.72
 * I do not subscribe to propaganda. My decision stands. -- Grunt 🇪🇺 20:59, 2004 Oct 28 (UTC)

Adminship
Thanks, Grunt, for your support of my adminship - very much appreciated! J OHN C OLLISON [ Ludraman] 15:24, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Recent Changes
Whenever I see a live link in the Recent changes section I remove it. However, I found them back again as ghost links. What happened?? 66.32.254.51 23:28, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * The articles were deleted as nonsense. -- Grunt 🇪🇺 23:31, 2004 Oct 28 (UTC)

Bill Gates
Bravo on protecting Bill Gates! The Australian schoolkids (I think) were at it again.--Lucky13pjn 00:49, Oct 29, 2004 (UTC)
 * Just doing my grunt work, but thank you for your support ;) -- Grunt 🇪🇺 00:53, 2004 Oct 29 (UTC)

RfA nomination
Hi Grunt,

Just wanted to say thanks for your vote of support at RfA. It looks like I've made the cut, and I look forward to helping out with admin tasks. -spencer195 09:42, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

department of fun
hey there just wanted to invite you to be a member of the Department of Fun as i saw you on a linked page we have as a judge, feel free to add your sig./timestamp in the members section. --Larsie 17:34, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Aha, something new to play with. I accept your invitation. :) -- Grunt 🇪🇺 22:42, 2004 Oct 29 (UTC)

Logging in
I didn't forget to log in, the wiki somehow logged me out while I was in the middle of editing. --Michael Snow 22:40, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC) (hoping I'm still logged in now)
 * Same difference. You weren't logged in and that is how I usually point that out (99% of the time it's people forgetting to log in). ;) -- Grunt 🇪🇺 22:41, 2004 Oct 29 (UTC)

Imposters?
Greetings, Grunt. I'm addressing you for the simple reason that you appear to be the last Admin to post Page Protections. Here is my issue: A wikipage Vietnam Veterans Against the War has apparently just been "Protected" by one AdamJacobMuller. However, I don't see this user on the list of Admins. Furthermore, when I check that page, it has been wiki-flagged as "Protected" yet it appears to remain editable. The page does appear on the Request for Protection page, so that much is legitimate. I appreciate that gentleman's attempt to halt an edit war by apparently pretending to protect that page, and I agree that a temporary Protection might be a good thing -- but the posing as an Admin while claiming to protect a page just seems a little off. Can you verify that the page is indeed temporarily protected? I apologize for burdening you with this matter; just luck of the draw for you to be the last person to post on the Protection pages. -Rob
 * Thanks for asking; yes, the page is indeed protected (having been protected by another admin). -- Grunt 🇪🇺 23:07, 2004 Oct 29 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your prompt attention. I see that Michael Snow has indeed protected the page after the imposter Admin pretended to protect it.  Stay well. -Rob

Howdy again, Grunt. At the risk of appearing to be a pest, I would appreciate your assistance with another matter. Could you please take a look at the Page Protection issue regarding Winter Soldier Investigation page? I should warn you that this seems to be a politically contentious matter, and several Admins appear to be playing "hot potato" with this issue now. I'm requesting that the Page Protection be lifted, in particular because it is now locked in a POV state. TDC managed to have Admin Cecropia protect the page yesterday, and then the protection was removed by Cecropia after TDC refused to enter discussions regarding his edits. Today, TDC has again talked an Admin (Uncle Ed) into protecting the page in its POV state, yet TDC refuses to enter into discussions to resolve whatever issues he has with the article. It appears TDC is satisfied to just let his POV versions of articles stand Page Protected during these last 4 days of U.S. political campaign days when said articles would be most accessed. Admins Cecropia and Uncle Ed both suggest getting other Admins involved -- hence my pestering you.

For a brief history of the edit conflict, see: Cecropia's Talk Page, and... Uncle Ed's Talk Page, and... Edit History of article, as well as TDC's threats and refusals located in this article's Talk page and Winter Soldier Investigation Talk page. Any help you can provide would be appreciated. -Rob

Anti-Canada
Hi, I saw that rant and was posting something in response, just as you removed it. "Where on earth do you divine the power to criticize the United States?" It makes me laugh that someone from the "Land Of The Free" could come out with such repressive comments. I'm not sure if you are aware of Morrissey, but he made a song "America Is Not The World", I think there are some interesting lyrics, perhaps that abusive American should read them (link removed). SimonMayer 03:03, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Protecting 9/11
Oh, Grunt. You're not supposed to protect pages, when you've been involved in an edit war on that page. I think the page should have been protected, but you should've asked someone else to do it. Big no-no. Say fifty Hail Marys, and keep those admin powers in check. – Quadell (talk) (help)  03:53, Oct 30, 2004 (UTC)

You might like to watch the creationism page
You didnt keep me out very long User:Snigger

Suggestion
Sometimes keeping track of how many times your userpage has been vandalised can be very hard. I suggest that you protect your userpage, so no one will vandalise it, and so you won't have to keep track of this nonsense. Sincerely, Lst27 00:13, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * I find it bad faith to protect one's own userpage. Besides, I like my vandalism counter; it reminds me of how important I seem to be. :) -- Grunt 🇪🇺 00:14, 2004 Oct 31 (UTC)

BobWasHere
Blocking him/her/it for 48 hours is not enough. Obviously, this user is not a newbie and knows how to edit and move pages. I think he might be the same user that impersonated you, Hadal, RickK, Jiang, and others. I think you really should block him forever. Sincerely, Lst27 00:33, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * If e comes back after 48 hours and vandalises again, e will be blocked indefinitely. -- Grunt 🇪🇺 00:34, 2004 Oct 31 (UTC)

News aggregators
Why were my changes reverted to News aggregator? i just added URL's to feed readers, all other programs have links except that section.
 * The MoS says that external links are frowned upon in the text of an article. Put them in External Links if you must. -- Grunt 🇪🇺 19:28, 2004 Oct 31 (UTC)

Usertalk:Lst38724324848902374070428975247509843725983742958743rue89fnhuv2
Sorry to bother you again, Grunt. Could you please delete Usertalk:Lst38724324848902374070428975247509843725983742958743rue89fnhuv2? This is the nonsense created by BobWasHere. Thanks. --Lst27 (talk)  21:25, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Done. -- Grunt 🇪🇺 21:32, 2004 Oct 31 (UTC)

You can protect your userpage, of course... :-) Evercat 00:58, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)