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Re: Puerto Rican Bio-Stub
Thank you, I just got your message. That's why I have you in my "Cool People to Work With' list. Take care, Tony the Marine 22:34, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I just checked and I agree with your criteria. Tony the Marine 01:03, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi. I was reading comments about the Puerto Rico bio stub which I created. I did not know that the creation of stub templates had to go through a process. I am sorry if it was a mistake in my part. I tried to follow the format and style used for other bio stubs. I created the stub because of the increasing number of short articles relating to Puerto Rican people. Again I am sorry if skipped any guidelines. Joelito 19:02, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Stub template issues
Hi Gutness. A few editors are having a bit of a conflict at the moment about links to wikiprojects from stub tags. As you seem to be the stub guru on wikipedia I thought I would ask for your input. User:AYArktos has started a thread summarising the issue at Australian Wikipedians' notice board. Thanks, oh and I just noticed that my talk page was your 50000 edit, I feel honoured. ;-) --Martyman- (talk) 04:54, 12 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh well, thanks for that. Do you think some sort of guideline about it would be best achieved through WP:WSS or at a policy/guideline level as part of WP:MOS?

Geo Stub emblems
I stand corrected.

The reason I had for changing them was 1.) They were so small you copuldn't tell what they were, and 2.) they are the arms of the County councils not the counties - counties don't have coats of arms under English heraldic law see List of English counties' coats of arms.

They can also be anchronistic: - Using the arms of the post 1974 Cambridgeshire for the ancient county is a case in point. Lozleader 17:11, 17 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi. As the person who was responsible for a bunch of images on stub types, I note that I didn't make much effort in selecting the ones I did, and I certainly don't remember there being any discussion about the images!  For the counties that did have non-arms emblems available, they were used (Cornwall/Lancashire/Devon/Yorkshire), we just added a few more such ones.  Morwen - Talk 19:23, 17 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Not being an admin and being a newbie wiki, I may have started the trouble with my comment at [] "It would be correct [heraldic practice] to take them [the arms of the county councils] off - though they do look pretty! I notice some geostubs have other emblems - the Yorkshire ones have white roses for instance. It would a nice project to devise a little logo for each one. I was thinking of taking the Licoln City arms off the Lincolnshire stub and substituting the flag. Things like that."


 * The emblems as are are the local authorities arms mostly taken from (with permission) and  or perhaps from  - I'm not happy about the latter site as they have taken some images I have drawn and simply "traced" them, thus denying copyright breach.


 * Taking full achievements of arms and squashing them down to small images makes for a little blurry picture. The essence of heraldic design is that a coat of arms should be easily disttinguishable. If one was going to use a coat of arms at that scale, one would strip it down to the shield, losing the crest (the bit on the top) and supporters (the figures at the side). The resulting image would be recognisable. I simply took this a step further of using a single element for clarity's sake - and so as not to infringe the copyright of the local authority involved.


 * Anyhoo, I guess what I'm saying is maybe this should be discussed.Lozleader 22:34, 17 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Maybe you'e right - but WP:WSS would be a better place than my talk page :). Ideally, flags would be better, but most counties either don't have them or have what we vexillologists call "LOB flags" - i.e., nothing more than a logo on a plain background. Lincolnshire's flag is brand new, and it's probably too early to tell whether it will take off with the public. As far as these particular stubs are concerned, the icons aren't overly controversial ( although Template talk:London-geo-stub might be informative actually, no it isn't ) - there are bigger problems with national geo-stubs (there's been a bit of an edit-war on israel-geo-stub lately, for instance). A big problem though is that changing heavily-used templates causes problems for the servers, which are always under enough strain anyway, so bulk changing a dozen or so template is not a good thing. That's one of the mainr easons for discouraging people from changing icons too often. The aim was to try to make the icons look fairly uniform and non confusing - unfortunately several counties have very similar traditional emblems, so using the official council arms made more sense. As you say, though, several of them got so small as to be indistinguishabele anyway. Grutness...wha?  00:26, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Re: Veterinary stub proposal
Grutness, I apologise for not having followed the rules relating to the proposal for this new stub and category. I have replied to the message you left for User:Mais oui! on the proposal. What do you think I should do at this time, since I currently haven't managed the 50 minimum for this request. I have 19 articles at the moment, and still hunting. Your thoughts would be welcomed. Thor Malmjursson 01:41, 18 February 2006 (UTC) Thor's pet yack

Thanks for the advice, Grutness. FYI, this is the cat scan tool. Extremely useful, and pretty simple to work out! The tool is located on the toolserver... Cat Scan tool from wikimedia toolserver, Germany - Thor Malmjursson 02:28, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Hiya Grutness. I hope you don't mind me keeping you up on this proposal, I now have got over 40 articles which could be stubbed to zoology-med-stub. Bearing in mind there are already opposes on this, would it now be wise to resubmit it? List is here if you want to review it. Cheers. Thor Malmjursson 13:20, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Re: Zoology Medicine Stub proposal @ WP:WSS/P
Hiya Grutness. Right, we have 52 articles, 4 supports, 1 oppose, since I think Mais Oui! hasn't changed his vote to a Support, since the proposal was altered and I found enough stubs to make it viable. Its six days since I posted the request originally, so with those supports, can I now go ahead and make the stub and category? Thanks. Thor Malmjursson 20:47, 22 February 2006 (UTC) Thor's pet yack

Canada-stub
Please, if you intend to edit stub templates, check with WP:WSS about what is the best way to do it first! Grutness...wha?  07:19, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 * OK, it appears that I suck at editing stub templates. My bad. I'll also try to forgive you for your edit summary here. :) Stifle 11:24, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, sorry - you caught me on a bad day. Apologies!

Macedonia stubs
Hi there. Soooo, what's decided about Macedonian stubs? Are those to be used? Only -stub or -bio-stub too? --Dijxtra 10:51, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Good. Then we'll usethis templates. --Dijxtra 10:13, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

New-York-State-Route-stub
Could you please reconsider your vote for the non-NC name New-York-State-Route-stub, as per my detailed argument to that effect on the SFD page? Some extremely unhelpful precedents are in danger of being (further) set here. Alai 18:54, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. One good turn duly reciprocated.  (I try to keep an eye out for noms that are attracting "stray keeps", rather than necessarily voting "delete on everything", but doubtless some sneak by.)  You had me worried when you said something called "Seaport-stub" was on AFD, mind you...  Alai 16:41, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
 * d'oh yeah. So many deletion forums... I was close - only one letter off :) Grutness...wha? 


 * So what happens with the stub rename from to  process on Stub_types_for_deletion now that it is "old-business"?? --Censorwolf 14:49, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Since this is a thorny one, it'll probably continue to be debated for a while so as to get some sort of consensus. unlike the other deletion processes which are largely "keep or delete" wuth SFD we like to hammer out some sort of middle ground if there's strong arguments on both sides. In this case, I think that if the main is taken to cfd for renaming (which has been suggested) whatever happens there would sway the argument one way or the other. Grutness...wha? 

Georgia Ports Authority stub classification
I see that you changed the stub type to 'US government'. Georgia Ports Authority isn't a US government agency; it's a state agency responsible for state ports. Is there any other stub that would make sense? --BWD(talk) 13:46, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I think that stub type is intended to cover all aspects of government in the US, not necessarily the federal goverment specifically. Though the category page could make that a lot clearer, the link's been redirected off to strange places.  Doubtless the state-level stuff will in due course be split out...  Alai 16:46, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Pretty much exactly what I said to BWD on his talk page :) Grutness...wha?  23:48, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi Grutness,

The generic-sounding "Athlete-stub" is labelled "track and field" -- which makes no sense to me. Is there a generic stub for athletes? How can we suitably rename that stub? Should I be leaving this on a stub-sorting project discussion page? Cheers, +sj + 18:57, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

RfA Thanks! (Peruvianllama)
Okay, this is perhaps a bit overdue, but thank-you for your support in my recent RfA! I passed with a final vote count consensus of (82/1/0), which was a lot of support that I really appreciate. I'll try to live up to the expectations; and on that note, if there's ever something I do wrong (or don't do right), please spit in my general direction. Cheers! --P e ruvianLlama(spit) 05:31, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

My RFA (Matt Yeager)
Hey, Grutness, I wanted to thank you for your support of my (unfortunately unsuccessful) request for adminship. The final tally was 37/16/5, which fell short of the needed 75-80% for "consensus". After running into you at the stub-sorting place, and learning a good deal from the process, I have to say that your vote of support meant an awful lot to me. Thank you so much! I don't know if or when I'll go up for nomination again, but even if I don't, I will try not to betray the trust that you and 36 others were willing to place in me. Thanks for having faith in me... and happy editing!  Matt Yeager   ?  ( Talk? ) 00:25, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

RFA (Cantthinkofagoodname)
Hi, just wanted to thank you for voting on my RFA, which went through with a count of (58/0/1), far better than I'd expected. It would be thanks very much if only you supported a proper team :-) I intend to take things slowly and start using the extra abilities gradually, but if there's anything I can do just leave a message. Cheers, CTOAGN (talk) 13:50, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

WP:RFA/Quarl
Hi Grutness, thanks for your support in my RFA, which succeeded. If I can ever improve or help in any way, please let me know! :) ˇ˝Quarl (talk) 2006-02-16 11:35Z 

My RfA (SoothingR)
Hi. On behalf of my right eye, I'd like to thank you for giving me your support on my recent RfA. It ended with a final tally of (73/2/2) and therefore I have been installed as an administrator now, and I'm ready to serve Wikipedians all over the world with my newly acquired mop and bucket. If you have any questions, do not hestitate to forward them to my talkpage. Once again, thanks for your support.  Soothing R  20:19, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Requests for adminship/ESkog 2
With apologies for the impersonal AWB-ness of the message... Thanks for your support on my recent request for adminship. It passed at 91/1/0, and I hope I can continue to deserve the community's trust. Let me know if there's anything I can do to help you, and if I make a mistake be sure to tell me. My talk page is always open. (ESkog)(Talk) 02:34, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

The point of PROD
...is not to move the debates elsewhere, but to have less debates when they're not necessary, and to focus on improving the articles rather than arguing why they should be kept. If you see a PROD tag and you think the article would be merged, please either do so yourself, or replace prod by merge.  &gt; R a d i a n t &lt;  14:02, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
 * The thing is that AFD is often said to be a wellspring of negativity. Indeed, the AFD template invites people to argue about it; while the PROD template invites people to improve the article. Note that 80% of AFD nominations are uncontested deletes, or obvious keeps; neither needs the amount of (sometimes factionalizing) discussion that they tend to get on AFD.  &gt; R a d i a n t &lt;  22:35, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

AfD meaning of G6, A1
I noticed that you and a few others list codes on AfD. Where are these codes? (reply here, I'll watch)
 * --William Allen Simpson 14:51, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm not Grutness, but since I happened to drop by, let me answer the question. If you look at the speedy deletion page, you'll note a number of headers (General, Articles, Redirects etc.) - take the first letter from the header, and append the number attached to the appropriate bullet list item below it, giving you a code like G6 (history merging). Hope this helps. Mind  matrix  16:57, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Aha, I'd looked at AfD, and criteria for deletion, but not speedy deletion. Thank you!
 * --William Allen Simpson 17:03, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

9/11 Coincidences
Coincidences surrounding 9/11 have been widely noted and by virtue of that fact they have had a presence and an impact in the culture at large.

"Widely noted" in this case means a cultural phenomenon is occurring and to that extent is an "object" in the world and hence worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia that purports to cover objects in the world.

I do not wish to violate Wikipedia's sensible policies. Can you recommend how I might revise the article on 9/11 coincidences so that it is an acceptable and serviceable stub?

Thank you.

Darwin Tallhouse 18:43, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi Grutness,

Thank you for your helpful and sensible post on my Talk page. One point of etiquette -- should I be replying to it on my own page, or here on your page? What do folks usually do?

Your points are all well-taken, and I would like to voluntarily take down my article; what would be the best way to do that? Also, it would be nice to be able to save a copy -- should I simply make my own copy of it?

Thanks for your care.

Darwin Tallhouse 13:40, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Robert Stanek
You recently left a comment on Articles for deletion/Ruin Mist about articles related to the author Robert Stanek. You may like to know that the page on the man himself is now up for deletion; Articles for deletion/Robert Stanek. I avoided merging the two together as I felt that the arguments for deleting the pages on the fiction didn't quite apply to the page on the writer, but thought it best to let you know in case you wanted to participate in this related discussion. Shimgray | talk | 01:44, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. Grutness...wha?  05:43, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Scifi Modelers Club of New Zealand
I'm always willing to rethink my vote. However, I'm still not convinced. Does this club hold conventions? What is their membership levels? So far it seems their greatest hold to notability is that one of their members went on to work on a blockbuster movie - but their work is uncredited. Ifnord 03:02, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

PROD talk/AfD graph
I don't know if you're still following the number of articles posted to AfD, but if you are and could graph it with the 7-day running average again, as you did in the PROD talk page a couple weeks ago, I'd be interested in seeing such a graph. - ikkyu2 ( talk ) 00:01, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Ditto. +sj + 18:57, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

help to remove messy work
I placed prod notices on two clearly empty articles. I authored those articles thinking they were temporary as part of a move of an article about me to a new user page that i will migrate to. a bit complex but essentially the articles have no objectors, and have only the edits by myself and one other, a redirect that i deleted, to speed up the process. they are Paul C C Moss and Paul x Moss. Can these articles be deleted immediately or do they have to wait the 5 day period?

There is a Paul J Moss up for vfd and in process, that will be over soon i guess it depends on how long the admins take to decide, hopefully it can be determined quickly as well. Its self authored (by me) so it is likely to be deleted. cheers moza 15:11, 28 February 2006 (UTC) the real paul moss
 * can you please delete this one? i blanked the page and placed the notice, i'm the only editor as far as i can tell. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_z_Moss Perstwhile 06:54, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Happy anniversary
One year ago today, you became an admin. At the time of nomination, you had less than 13,000 edits (although you had 14,000 by the end of it) and you'd been here almost five months. Now I see you have 60,000 edits, so you've actually become more active since then. Congratulations.

I see you said over a year ago on your user page "I'm about to start checking through articles on areas closely associated with New Zealand: Tokelau, Cook islands, Niue, and Ross Dependency." Did you see my proposal at Portal talk:Oceania? I'm looking for some people to help with that portal now that the New Zealand one is pretty much established (and doing well so far on its featured portal candidacy), but I don't want to start it all on my own.-gadfium 02:45, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for rectifying my botched attempt to correct spelling on the Auckland story. I copied the text to a word processor and didn't realise that I had changed words that were already correct. I can;t explain why, but it won't happen again. Sorry fpr that, and once again, many thanks for the corrections. Rense 06:03, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Polynesian Mythology stubs
Remember Nganga and Toniwha? Well it seems that there are lots of these Polynesian mythology stubs, and most of them are utter rubbish or distortions at best. I have asked TUF-KAT (who seems to have started these in 2002) about his sources. Any chance we could do a delete on any that have not been expanded by others since TUF-KAT? Kahuroa 09:33, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * cheers for your reply - I may well need to take you up on your offer of help - there are so many it will take me a while to make a list. Tuf-Kat has confirmed your suspicions as to his source (see my talk page) Kahuroa 19:45, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Your Bermuda map
I just tried to start a discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Maps. I uploaded some maps of the parishes of Bermuda many moons ago, but never got around to adding them to articles. Yesterday I did, and noticed that you had already made some and put them there. Clearly better than mine, so I didn't replace them, but I have a question: If my maps had already been there, would you have still made yours? I'm hoping that by putting lots of my "starter maps" all over Wikipedia, that I'm not discouraging more skilled people from replacing them. I'd love to hear your thoughts. --Golbez 02:57, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Help!
Hi J - i think i screwed up the interwiki links at and i cant work out how to fix them - can you help?  BL Lacertae -  kiss the lizard  12:57, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Notice about barnstar
Hi, I proposed to give Barnstar of National Merit a makover in here. Deathphoenix left a note that people originally involved in creating the award should be notified. So here I am. Please voice your opinion, and happy editing! Renata 05:08, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Zarf?
"Hmm... interesting question. Possibly 'zarf'."

Just curious, do you play Interactive Fiction (text adventure games)? Zarf is the assumed name of Andrew Plotkin, one of the most well-known writers of IF. Or was that just a coincidence? --Ashenai 18:14, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Award

 * from User:Brian New Zealand, now moved to my user page. Thanks Brian!

Re: Edit conflicts
Hello! Sorry about the edit conflicts. They happen to me occasionally too. There was no flag on the page to say that it was being worked on for x time, so I decided to add a stub and category as it was clear to me that they were lacking. Maintenance is the place to find the templates, in case you weren't already aware. I hope that you were able to rescue your typing and put it in after I had finished. My apologies for any inconvenience caused, I really didn't mean to step on anyone's toes. Regards,  (aeropagitica)   23:50, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I think that it is a perfectly acceptable article & I'm pleased that we're both being responsible editors by stubbing and categorising the pages where required. Thanks for your nice response! I must visit NZ some day, it looks lovely down there!  (aeropagitica)  00:04, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Re:Fingers-of-Pyrex
The only thing he said was "I'm checking out" in the speedy deletion reason field. enochlau (talk) 10:22, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Humour on Wikipedia files
lol!! good to see humour is alive and well in at least one wikipedian.. i'm am intrigued at your non-article and laughed a bit at the surrounding stuff.. so on ya mate and if you look you will see i have had a bit of fun myself, but apparently bent the rules a bit far, starting way back in my early days, like 3 or 4 months ago.. whatever at least i'm real and can handle the truth. by the way, I have a heirarchy of geographic boundaries for new zealand, and the proxy for suburb/locality is called an 'area unit' its quite useful for what i do, but to be honest i use meshblocks mostly, and addresses, (with names) permission granted of course. I am licenced to LINZ / Stats and can possibly assist with queries about nz geo stuff, if you get stuck. meshblocks, area units, territorial authority and regional boundaries in fact are all perfectly nested, with accurately known boundary locations. there will be a new set released late this year to co-incide with the census data release, something i use lots. its all about people and where they live, and its a very good tool to predict peoples behaviour.

I have been a sound engineer for most of my life and can relate to the music side of your life, i think, possibly.. whatever.. later.. moza 15:31, 26 February 2006 (UTC)