User talk:Grutness/archive19

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Stub Tagging Conflict
I've been trying to double stub Hakfar Hayarok with Israel-stub in addition to school-stub because it is a school located in Israel (for which there is no separate school-stub category). Michaelas10 refuses to allow the Israel-stub to remain on the article, saying that it is not Israel related. Relevant discussion is on my userpage as well as his. I don't want to start an edit war, but when someone interferes with such a basic activity as stubsorting with an argument such as this, it makes me rather peeved. Could you suggest a next course of action? I've added the stub three times, and he's removed it the same number. Aelfthrytha 23:45, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
 * As usual, thanks for the help. If you need any favors or project assistance in approximately the next week, I'll be around until I hope another airplane. Until then, I'm also satisfying my wiki-diction. Aelfthrytha 01:19, 2 July 2006 (UTC)


 * He's at it again...Aelfthrytha 19:33, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

clothingstub and
This you need to see... - Crazy Rouge ian talk/email 11:07, 11 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Crzrussian is right. If you'd taken the time to read the instructions you'd have known to go to WP:WSS/P, and would have been told that the naming guidelines for stub templates insist on a hyphen between the topic and the word stub. Grutness...wha?  11:25, 11 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Again. No problem. I have been made aware of the error. I have advised others not to use the templates until you guys sort out the problem. Is there anything you'd like me to do in the meantime? SilkTork 11:33, 11 July 2006 (UTC)


 * There was one stub template fashion-stub. I copied that template and created two new templates: fashionstub and clothingstub, and created a new stub category - the clothing one. I then set about searching through the fashion-stub list, deleting that stub and replacing it with either fashionstub or clothingstub depending on whether the article was about fashion or about clothing. SilkTork 11:45, 11 July 2006 (UTC) PS. Nothing to get annoyed about. I made a mistake. You guys are fixing it. I'm glad you spotted the error. I'm slightly embarressed is all! SilkTork 11:48, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

NHS Stub discussion
Hi. I notice that there has been no further discussion on the above subject since my reply of 10th June. Please can you confirm that your concerns have been adequately addressed, and that you don't have any further objections to the creation of Category:National Health Service stubs? If that's not the case, please continue the discussion at the location I've linked to above, so that the discussion stays in one place. Many thanks, Waggers 21:24, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I've added a comment to the discussion. Basically I don't think there's any problem in making the new category now (when you do, take the old one over to WP:SFD for deletion), but it's probably worth waiting a couple of days in cased there are any more objections. Grutness...wha?  05:38, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Euro-geo-stub
First of all Gibraltar is not a country but a place of United Kingdom, so it must belong to UK-geo-stub. We use euro stub if there is no sub category. That's why i removed them

User:KRBN 01:35, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Gibraltar may be a "place of United Kingdom", but it is a place in mainland Europe that does not at present have its own stub category, due to not having the required number of geography stubs. As such, its stubs are categorised as being in Europe, in the same way that geography stubs from Anguilla, the Cayman Islands, the Turks and Caicos and Montserrat are categorised as being in the Caribbean (along with French and Dutch analogues such as Guadeloupe and Sint Maarten), Pitcairn's are categorised as being in Oceania, and St Helena's are categorised as being in the Atlantic. If you have a problem with that, bring it up at WP:WSS - don't simply unilaterally decide that you don't like it and move the stubs. Grutness...wha?  00:30, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

protected-area-stubs
See here. I'd already proposed the Costa Ricans, and am splitting them out now. The USs seem too big to be worth splitting out en masse, and the UKs are seemingly too small. I'm trying to get more accurate per-country counts, but my offline dump is currently misbehaving. US regions and possibly states seem plausible options. Alai 03:35, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

UK-geo-stubs
Thanks for taking the time to leave a helpful comment - as you can tell, I'm very new so lots to learn. Thanks again. Jenny Wong 08:54, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

African geo stubs
Hi Grutness. I've created a little list in case the African -geos should (one day) be rearranged according to the UN's new system. Do you mind if I add a little note on the relevant category pages? Anyway, iff such a change is implemented it will be a lot easier now that so many countries have been split off. In fact, I was surprised so many had been split off already.

Well, here is the list, and I think it is complete:
 * Mauritania: N -> W Mauritania-geo-stub
 * Cameroon: W -> C Cameroon-geo-stub
 * Gabon: W -> C Gabon-geo-stub
 * Congo-Brazzavilla: W -> C (no national template)
 * São Tomé and Príncipe: W -> C (no national template)
 * Equatorial Guinea: W -> C (no national template)
 * Angola: S -> C Angola-geo-stub
 * Madagascar: S -> E Madagascar-geo-stub
 * Zambia: S -> E Zambia-geo-stub
 * Zimbabwe: S -> E Zimbabwe-geo-stub
 * Malawi: S -> E Malawi-geo-stub
 * Comoros: S -> E (no national template)

All in all, it should be possible to update the structure without too much work (but I am aware it would mess up your sorting lists.) Regards. Valentinian (talk) 13:33, 23 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok, I'll a the note to the relevant pages. I think the actual category pages also use the old system, so it looks like the change hasn't been implemented properly outside of article space. Valentinian (talk) 15:41, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Glacier stubs
Don't worry about a thing...it really is my mistake since I should have remembered that many have worked hard on the stub sorting project...so I should have gotten approval for the stub before I created one. Let me know what I can do to help...and feel free to delete the glacier stub template and the category page whenever you get done adding in the proper geo stubs to those articles listed. I have already removed the stub info from the Glacier Wikiproject page. Have a good day.--MONGO 16:22, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

I suppose that if you think we can have some kind of stub template still, that is fine. I'm not bothered in the least about having the messagebox link all related articles via the talk page...I mean, I am pretty much the only active participant in the project so far. I see you're working your way alphabetically through the glacier stubs.I am not familiar with the geo stub categorization, so I haven't been much help to you in removing the existing glacier stub...but maybe having it there makes it easier, until you finish, in locating a few articles that needed geo stubs reorganized. It is confusing, as I added the glacier stub to all articles I quickly surveyed that either were about glaciers, glaciology and closely related articles. Again, it's no big deal since there is no way I'm going to be able to work on several hundred articles to get them above stub level.--MONGO 05:35, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

geo stubs
I'm very sorry about editing your page. I didn't realize that you used it for your watchlist. At the time, I didn't see any harm in it. Please accept this tasty cookies as a peace offering. ~ Amalas rawr  =^_^=  13:21, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

G4 doesn't apply to Mountain-stub anymore because....
My version is substantially different from Maoririder's. 1ne 19:14, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I would second this; Maoririder's stubs were all text-only, and many were deleted because he never got a grasp of Wikipedia. It had nothing to do with the content. I would recommend that you restore the template and, if necessary, list it on TfD instead. (ESkog)(Talk) 03:05, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * A couple of things about this. Firstly, the template is essentially the same as Maoririder's in that it is an attempt to split geography stubs by landform type (specifically, by mountains). As far as Maoririder's stub templates being deleted because they were text only, this is not true. Several of them were adopted and fixed up. Restaurant-stub is one such stub. Mountain-stub, however, was deemed to be an inappropriate way to split geography stubs, and it was for that reason that it was deleted. As it says at WP:STUB, "For example, geography stubs are sorted by country so you wouldn't want to create mountain-stub or river-stub". In other words, the type created is specifically mentioned as one not to be created. As to listing it at TFD, the place to list it is at WP:SFD, where it was listed prior to the speedy deletion. Grutness...wha?  06:32, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Thanks for double-checking that. (ESkog)(Talk) 15:24, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

I'd appreciate a reconsideration
here. Just out of curiousity, why is your IP not your firewall? Or is it some kind of block of IP's, like at work? Just wondering. Must get pretty awkward at times. Take care. // Fra nkB 05:30, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Whats up?
I see you're pretty busy...I see from this edit you're working on a new stub, or is this simply a category thing? Anyway, looks good...let me know if I can be of any help.--MONGO 12:32, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

I have reduced the Category:Glacier stubs to just the template now and have added appropriate stubs as I went along. The template should only be linking to the category page at this point.--MONGO 11:13, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

More stub sorting - Queensland National Parks
Hi. There seem to be a lot of Qld National Park articles in Category:Queensland geography stubs. I'd like to create a Queensland national parks stub. Can you see any obvious problems in doing that? Should I go through the proposals for stubs process to save the trouble that occurred last time, or is there some other process I should follow? Thanks -- Adz|talk 10:21, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Red Shift
Good job; changed my vote to keep. It would be helpful if you could do the following, though:
 * List the source
 * Clear up whether the band's name is Red Shift or Redshift, and after AfD is over with (the closing admin really doesn't have a leg to stand on for closing as delete now), if the band's name is Redshift, use the page move function to move it over to the correct article.
 * Find out when the last two albums on the list were released.

I really don't know anything about the subject matter, so I'm not too comfortable editing the article. Anyway, I'm always impressed when someone manages to rescue an article from AfD, so thanks :-) Captainktainer * Talk 04:58, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Nomination withdrawn, good job! NawlinWiki 09:56, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
 * :) cheers! Grutness...wha? 

School articles
Hi Grutness

Thanks for looking at my edits. I admit I was a bit too aggressive with my pruning, however this is motivated by the fact that in most cases the authors of the school pages are almost always ex-students (therefore biased), and that notable schools' articles would be written by outsiders. I certainly don't want to send the school articles to deletion (considering we've got train stations etc on WP which imo are more worthy of deletion), but I believe the pruning was necessary to get the articles down to the bare bones so they could be written better.

I'll keep your comment in mind; I'll exercise a bit more discretion and utilise the Talk pages more.

Thanks, Mr Bluefin 07:25, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Art critcism question
With regards to my question at the reference desk, I just wanted to say thank you for your assistance. Isopropyl 13:07, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Melanesian mythology
This article was nominated for speedy deletion appropriately as an empty article. I have added four sentences but it is capable of further expansion. I recall you nominated a number of Polynesian gods for deletion and there were a couple of users who did sterling work on those articles. You wouldn't recall who those users were and whether they had any knowledge of Melanesian mythology. Capitalistroadster 03:39, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Grutness, I think he means me and Bucketsofg - I have little knowledge of melanesian myth. except that it is related to Polynesian mythology - but willing to help. Will tell Capitalistroadster Kahuroa 05:10, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Thumbs up!
For your good reply in fulling me up with information and giving a good reply to the question about witchcraft and pantheism on the misceallaneous reference desk. Your replies are good. :-) Iola k ana |T  15:32, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!
A few months ago, I made a post on the reference desk about a particular song I was looking for. You wrongly came up with "Easter Woman" by The Residents as a possible solution. Well, that wasn't it, but I had to download the song you suggested, that same day, to be sure. And I must tell you, I absolutely loved it! So I decided to download the whole Commercial Album, and I enjoyed it a lot as well. Now, a few months later, I already have 35 of their albums and they pretty much took the #1 spot in my top favourite "bands" - not much since I'm not a group kind of guy. I'm loving them, it's great! I just wish I could buy anything instead of downloading, but that is something out of my reach over here in Brazil....

Anyway, I'd just like to thank you for all this. It's interesting to see how simple events can have such a big influence later on our lives, and thinking about it gives a very nice feeling inside. So thank you for triggering this chain of events, it brought me a lot of interesting, fun things. Cheers! :) ☢  Ҡ i∊ ff   ⌇  ↯  11:09, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia awards committee
Check out my comments here, Wikipedia awards committee. Thanks! --evrik 17:08, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Maori Hill in Dunedin
I just went through the Dunedin article with my term replacement set in AWB, I saw some Māori hill entries in the result preview, and I changed them all to Maori hill; however it turned out that some of the ones that I changed were already in the article before I came there! (see the diff) I guess it could be some mistake made previously by someone, but can you please verify that everything is right. Cheers, --Konstable 11:19, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Chaguanas
Hi James. I'm having a very hard time explaining to a new user what constitutes appropriate material for an article about a town. I was wondering if you could drop by Talk:Chaguanas and try to resolve the dispute. Thanks. Guettarda 16:44, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

greetings
Long time no harass! Could you look at the reversions of the order on the west coast and east coast arts? I'm not sure I want to take him/her on, just curious on your opinion! thanks SatuSuro 12:17, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Yo! Wha! Thanks :) SatuSuro 09:27, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Reading a recent bio of jimi hendrix and the cafe wha? was a place he got up in his career in NY - any connection with your sig? SatuSuro 17:46, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Afraid a bit of hendroix tragic myself. There is a website - well worth checking out if you have wha? in there!

Hey just of left field, I've been trying to find out whether NZ has waverider bouys (having just had my Cape Sorell Waverider Bouy article Afd'd by some landlocked landlubbers) and seemed to hit a bit of a dead end witth the NZ met service web page - by any outside chance you wouldnt have any clues as to how i might uncover sneaky NZ wave bouys anywhere? :) SatuSuro 09:09, 24 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, the great thing about the well positioned ones (waverider bouys) is that they break their moorings on the very big waves and go walkabout, and people speculate as to what the breaking height it was. Have been trawling the various tsunami freak wave arts on wiki, as the people on my fieldwork site on southern central java have superstitions no doubt created by bigguns hitting their coast in times gone by - like the current pandarangan trajedy. the best explanation so far is: http://www.epa.qld.gov.au/environmental_management/coast_and_oceans/waves_and_storm_tides/wave_monitoring/waverider_buoys/ and thanks for your look at things! Best Wishes SatuSuro 09:33, 24 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Closer look on wiki there is an entry/art at: Cafe Wha? Had a closer look at the page you got - looks like a very decentralised usage in NZ, thanks anyways! SatuSuro 09:43, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

summarised history of Dunedin
Dear James,

As regards my remarks about your review, you're welcome. I'm going to attempt a tweking and slight enlargement of your summary history of Dunedin. Some key dates need mentioning and the reduction of the Maori section is a bit too summary. A lot happened in 700 years. Auckland and Christchurch both carry useful general summaries in their history sections, very short but they cover the main features. I'll attempt something similar for us.

Regards.

Peter Entwisle.

Sultanate of Rotonda
This article is about a recent action taken by two architecture students in Carcavelos, concerning a roundabout and its gigantic size. By changing the beggining of the article is changed to

"The Sultanate of Rotonda is a fictional landlocked micronation founded ..."

I believe it meets Wikipedia's standards. Further changes will be made. Thanks

ok. But I still contest that micronations, as public actions taken to discuss a certain subject, aren't important enough to fit Wikipedia. Independent Free Area of Wanstonia is a good example in my opinion. Other public campaigns of smaller interest are also featured in Wikipedia. And I also contest that age should be a requisit for a Wikipedia article (there's the "current event" tag).

Hello To You Too
Yeah you guessed it! I think NZ is pretty well represented on the Wiki. PS My flatmates are artists and have heard of you. --Paige Master 08:09, 19 July 2006 (UTC) →I doubt you'd know her, she does jewlery mainly and still goes to art school, but goes to alot of "art events" to see other peoples work.--Paige Master 08:58, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Joke
Hi mate. I heard this one today and thought you might appreciate it. Nobody is left out in the offence stakes.
 * Three expectant fathers, a Kiwi, an Aussie, and a West Indian, are pacing nervously outside the maternity ward. The door bursts open and a doctor says "Congratulations, all three of your wives have given birth, and within the same minute.  All are well.  However, there was a mixup in all the chaos, so we'd like you to come in and identify which baby is yours."   The fathers go inside.  They are presented with 2 white babies and a black baby.  The Aussie points to the black one and says "That's mine".  The doctor says "Are you quite sure, sir?  Wouldn't one of the other babies be yours?".  The Aussie says "One of those other two is a Kiwi, and I'm not taking any chances".  :--)  JackofOz 05:59, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

FOTW images
Good news, we are under 400 images now from us (this only counts the ones that permission was not granted from us). Bad news, a lot of flags are now being taken from Vexillamundi, one of the smaller flag sites. While it is a small number, we still have a long way to go. I am checking other Wikipedias and see how many images from us they are using (I know the Commons has a few, but those are being purged slowly). Thanks. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 20:35, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Im not really sure wether i should reply on your talk, or my own, but thanks for the comment, ill check out those sections you linked me to later. :)--BrentonEccles 09:26, 27 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Sounds cool. Anyways, im going to start doing some projects now ... using wikipedia, gosh. :P So sometimes i might take a while to reply, because i have to handwrite it? Hows new zealand? Last time i saw it was when there was quite a bit of snow. .... that was through a friends webcam. XD BrentonEccles 09:39, 27 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Its 7.55 here, Australia that is. Im in victoria, and it gets rather cold here, but im rather warm at the moment because im in lounge room. Im doing a project on the Treaty of Versailles, U-Boats and Sacajevo. Theyre fairly major topics, so i presume WP will have articles on them all, (currently doing Versailles). Still a schoolie? --BrentonEccles 09:57, 27 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Ahh, i see. Well, im only 15, well, i guess thats not young. VCE next year. D: I started a wiki as part of my site today. Havent had time to do much yet. What do you think of the [| Main Page] ? :)


 * Thanks. What does being a wikipedia admin involve?


 * Sounds like moderator to me?


 * Theres near to 1000 isnt there? o_O

New barnstar proposal
Hi there! I see that you previously commented on a barnstar proposal for stub sorting. There's a new one I'm trying to drum up support for. If you like, you can see it at The Stub Sorting Barnstar. Thanks for considering it. Cheers, &hearts; Her Pegship &hearts; 17:41, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Lists of Words
There's a discussion going on at Wikipedia_talk:What_Wikipedia_is_not over the interpretation of policy regarding lists of words. As a fairly recent contributor to [List of British words not widely used in the United States], you might wish to add to the debate, as it affects several AfDs going on, and a current Deletion Review. Thanks. WLD 21:11, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Grutness is unlikely to reply for a while - a family bereavement and other real world stuff means hes on wikibreak.  BL Lacertae -  kiss the lizard  23:35, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * That's fine, and thanks for letting me know. I hope that life is not being too overwhelming for Grutness at present. WLD 15:13, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that - I'm back, though I'm scaling down my wikiwork a little. A combination of a cracked rib, my aunt dying, and a backlog of work kept me away for a while. Grutness...wha?  01:48, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Lovell Hill Pools grid ref
Hi. Are you sure? NZ596189 is taken from the EN citation sheet and on OS Get a map goes straight to the site. SP-KP 09:15, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Re:Thanks
no problem ;)  BL Lacertae -  kiss the lizard  05:40, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

STOP DELETING MY ARTICLE
Heibel, and please dont put cruft on my user page, put it on my talk page. Kapn Korea 07:11, 10 August 2006 (UTC)


 * The "cruft" - which I put on your talk page, was to tell you to stop vandalising Wikipedia. Grutness...wha?  07:18, 10 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Contrary to what you may think, putting facts on wikipedia is not vandalism. See WP:V for further questions, and if you need to send me a message talk on your talkpage or on mine, but do not vandalize my userpage. Kapn Korea 07:20, 10 August 2006 (UTC)


 * "Facts"? A town with a German name in Australia in the 1340s? Where a plague was saved by appeals to a higher power? Speediable under WP:CSD A1 - and for the third time, which makes it WP:V. Do it again and you will be blocked. Grutness...wha?  07:24, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll do more research before I recreate it. I certainly don't appreciate that you skipped over the entire deletion notification process, however.  Certainly was not polite in any manner.  Kapn Korea 07:26, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I re-speedied something which had previously been speedy-deleted. As such, I fulfilled the deletion process to the letter. Posting vandalous hoaxes is far less polite - as was deleting my message from your talk page. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  07:28, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Just a note to Grutness, Kapn Korea is not abiding by rules of other articles as well. Keep this in mind. Read his/her talk page as well as mine. AcePuppy 12:16, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

I need your advice.
Greetings Grutness.

I don't think this is your normal area of expertise, but I'd really appreciate your take on this one. An edit war has broken out about the historical status of Denmark-Norway. I think the talk page explains it better than words. Comanche was blocked a few days ago for incivility but he is back now. This time, just reverting, but I still don't like his edit summaries. His edits themselves, - well, in my book, they speak pretty much for themself. I'm at my wits end with this one and I am becoming increasingly embarassed of being Danish. Please advice what I should do now. I have no intention on violating 3RR, and as you can see, and I am pretty involved in this dispute. Regards. Valentinian (talk) 23:57, 15 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot for your advice, I'll list it there. (And sorry for disturbing your wikibreak). Valentinian (talk) 07:55, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * And btw, I didn't expect you to play Solomon, I'm merely trying to find some way to defuse this situation. Anyhow, I've listed the page on WP:RfC. Thanks again. Valentinian (talk) 08:07, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

French Guiana
Hi nice stubs but you need to be more specific Rivers of French Guiana not geography. James Janderson 11:26, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

cool man. keep up the new work. I think that region of south america is very underdeveloped, Surinam as well. also check there if there is a french guiana geo stub category. James Janderson 11:36, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

hi then you are greatness rather than grutness!!! James Janderson 11:46, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Takuu
Grutness! Hope all is going well for you after your recent bereavement. When/if you are in the mood for map creation, Takuu, a Polynesian outlier is lacking a location map. (Just draw heaps of sea and a little dot, that's about it). Cheers bro Kahuroa 05:14, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Odd-looking edit...
You seem to have deleted a whole section of WSS/P with this edit. Editing error, or did you just not like it? :) Alai 02:52, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
 * And another. Having browser problems?  You really ought to try Firefox sometime. :)  Alai 23:30, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Auckland vs Auckland Region
Hi, I'm sorry to hear about your bereavement. I noticed you put some articles about suburbs within the Auckland urban area into Category:Auckland Region, such as Orewa and Whangaparaoa Peninsula. I'll shift them back to Category:Auckland unless I hear otherwise from you. -- Avenue 13:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I'll keep that in mind. Until recently I haven't felt much need for admin abilities, and I'm only beginning to feel that I'd be more of a benefit than a burden to the community with them. I also have heavy work commitments for the next couple of months, so this isn't really the best time for me to learn how to use them properly. Maybe later in the year... -- Avenue 11:20, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Monument Park
Hi,

If you check out Talk:Monument Park, I propose that the article titled "Monument Park'' should be for the museum at Yankee Stadium, with the disambiguation page at Monument Park (disambiguation). Please state your case for or against my proposal on that talk page, and I will appreciate it.  Thanks.

Milchama 23:59, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Otago Peninsula
Hi Rich - I notice you added an "invalid ISBN" tag to the Otago Peninsula article. Which ISBNs are the invalid ones? I have a couple of those books sitting in front of me, and the primary author of the article is User:Peter Entwisle, who is also the author of two of the listed books. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  03:44, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * According to my calculations User:Rich_Farmbrough%5CInvalid_ISBNs, The Australian National University. ISBN 0-7315-0342-1. Rgds Rich Farmbrough 07:16 25 August 2006 (GMT).

Image:WaitakiDC.jpg
Where does this picture come from? Have you recorded it? --Flominator 18:59, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
 * My camera.Sorry - I thought I'd changed all the pd tags over to pd-self. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  23:39, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Can you maybe move it to commons? --Flominator 07:29, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

What about the sources of Image:NZ-Oamaru.png and Image:Oamaruhistoric.jpg? Can you move these images to commons as well. If you don't want to move them by yourself, tell me and I will do it. --Flominator 12:27, 30 August 2006 (UTC)