User talk:Grutness/archive21

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Māori stubs
I see a pic I took is being used for the Māori stubs. Hmm, I think I should start charging royalties - I'll be rich before I know it. Been a while since we chatted. How are things? Kahuroa
 * Cheers. Glad you found the pic useful. Yeah, I'm in Auckland, the weather has been crap mostly lately here too. A Wikibreak sounds like a good idea - enjoy your writing. Kahuroa 18:17, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

As I said
It is kind of silly to have them in that Category. However... if you note my response on J's page, Difficult one. While I can understand their point of view (it isn't worth having a stub type for only a few articles), I think this is more of a problem of systemic bias rather than "not enough" (e.g. I'm certain there are over 60 notable Tajiks). Perhaps we should just get on creating Tajik people stubs until we have enough for a category? - Francis Tyers · 08:50, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

- Francis Tyers · 09:50, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Friendly note
You know it is considered bad form to protect a page you are involved in a dispute on? You should ask an uninvolved admin to do it for you. If you could unprotect it, then ask an uninvolved admin to protect it that would be great. Thanks :) - Francis Tyers · 09:56, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It's all in the interpretation. I don't see it as being me involved in a dispute personally. I'm just protecting it to maintain the decision made at SFD to upmerge the template. It's nothing personal. If that decision had not been made, then I'd have not been involved in this at all. As such, I don't really see it as a conflict of interest. I'll see who I can find though. Grutness...wha?  11:01, 21 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually I've been making some too. We're currently on 52 stub articles that transclude the Tajikistan-bio-stub. Only 8 to go :) - Francis Tyers · 10:55, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Dilorom Shermatova next... Grutness...wha?  11:01, 21 November 2006 (UTC)


 * 2 to go. - Francis Tyers · 11:04, 21 November 2006 (UTC)


 * And thats 60. Could you advise the next course of action please? - Francis Tyers · 11:11, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Already done. I've updated the information at WP:WSS/P. With that many stubs, a separate category is now both viable and appropriate. The debate should still be allowed to run for a while before creation - officially it's supposed to run a week, but under the circumstances, that will probably be reduced. Expect to see a category sometime very soon. Grutness...wha?  11:15, 21 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the help. - Francis Tyers · 11:21, 21 November 2006 (UTC)


 * No problem, we all get that way sometimes. :) Its good that we could come to an amicable resolution (and help coverage of Tajikistan at the same time)! - Francis Tyers · 11:31, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Munich Stub templates
I think Ignore all rules policy is the policy that should be inforced here since the current stub rules prevent WikiProject Munich from improving and maintaining Wikipedia's Munich-related articles. Kingjeff 17:22, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * That seems pretty obvious from your behaviour so far. However, if you check that page, you'll see that it says "If the rules prevent you from improving or maintaining Wikipedia, ignore them." what you are doing is to the detriment of wikipedia and is making it harder for others to maintain it. As such, I advise you to check out the pages linked from that page, such as Use common sense. Grutness...wha?  03:45, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

This seems like a personal attack to me. Kingjeff 03:49, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry you think so - it isn't; it's exactly how I would respond to anyone who seems to be trying to disrupt Wikipedia. As has been expained to you, it makes little sense for any wikiproject to have so many stub templates - it fractionates the workload so much as to actually discourage editors from working on the project. as such, you are actually disrupting your own wikiProject. not only that, but you are also disrupting the Stub-sorting project, one which is an overarching project connected to virtually every other wikiproject in Wikipedia. In exactly the same way that process pages like CFD and TFD try to keep the categories and templates in a sensible hierarchy that works well and can be used by everyone on wikipedia, so WSS tries to maintain the same sort of standards for wikipedia's stub templates. Which is why it is requested that any new stub types be proposed for debate prior to creation, and also why stub types which are not proposed and run contrary to stubbing practice or standards get proposed for deletion. To say that your templates are for use primarily by your wikiproject is fine, but to say they are exclusively for that projects use, and are thus in some way WP:OWNed by it is not, since any stub type can be used by any Wikipedian editor and as such should be judged by the same standards as all other stub types. Given that some of the stub types you have created are detrimental to article editing (for reasons already spelt out elsewhere), and also given the excessive number of stub types you have created, is it any wonder there are concerns over these stub types? They are not helping you, they are not helping us - they are not helping anyone on wikipedia, in fact. You have given no logical expanation for why you think so many stub types are useful, nor to why it makes sense for Munich to have seven (and, in your own words, you "could have had more then twice as many") when no other wikiproject of a like nature needs more than three, and the majority manage quite happily with only one or two. Instead, rather than trying to justify the stub types, you have spent much of your time attacking dedicated wikipedians such as Alai and myself for no apparent justifiable reason. Grutness...wha?  04:40, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

It's clearly WikiProject Stub-sorting that is disrupting Wikipedia. Not me or anyone else in WikiProject Munich. Kingjeff 04:42, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Again, it is your prerogative to think so. Have you read those pages I suggested yet? Grutness...wha?  04:50, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Transnistria-stub
Hi Grutness.

You are right about your example with Kurdistan-(politician)-stub and similar being deleted. The same was the case with Kosovo. However, the debate about Transnistria-stub must have ended with keeping the darn thing since it is still around. Since I consider this template both controversial and politicizing, I've stopped sorting Moldovan material. Cheers. Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 15:33, 26 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, I know. I actually thought the vote was to delete or upmerge the Ossetians as well. Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 10:05, 27 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Btw, iff you resubmit this one to SFD, just be aware that all hell will probably break out again. I haven't forgot Mikka's accusations against me back then, so given the relationship some Russian editors have with the Poles, I'd be surprised if my name isn't on somebody's list, probably in an even worse category since I'm not even a "local". I also noted a fierce debate on Meta about closing the mo.wiki and it pretty much speaks for itself. However, I still believe it is wrong to give the impression - stubwise or otherwise - that this entity is in any way recognized. A nation is an entity recognized as independent by the rest of the world (or at least a significant portion of it). That's my take on it anyway. Just be aware that the Moldovan mess shares some properties with a Bosnian minefield. Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 10:23, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

SfD
Dear Grutness, Sorry for my late response.Thanks for your comments in my talk page. Plese see my comments here Regards Must TC 08:04, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

template:Stub-group
Thanks, that's a fine outcome, and, for me, pleasingly efficiently arrived at. I place or refine or reposition a lot of stub tags, but i think i've never templatized anything stub-taggish before. (And edited stub templates only in a short flurry within what seems to have ultimately been a successful campaign against "you can help [Wikiproject-name not focused specifically on stubs]" stub-tags, which i think i recall calling "Wiki-Project spam".) So i'll probably completely forget how to find the project you mention, but probably also never again cause any inconvenience by my ignorance of that project. Thanks for your attention to a WP area where i'm really glad that others are willing to labor what must be a great deal. --Jerzy•t 16:03, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
 * _ _ Well, i'm not sure i've ever read WP:CSD, and the Speedy process works well enuf not to. IMO the tag scheme does a excellent job of making it feasible for most of us to contribute very lightly (viewed individually), but hopefully contribute (collectively) a crucially well distributed "peripheral nervous system". And it may well require tough-minded decisions by specialists for realizing the goals.
 * _ _ But your note is timely re my ruminations during leaf-raking. I haven't satisfied myself that the "nightmares" wouldn't have been relieved by tuning up the automated tools i presume to have been involved, to take the template's use into acct. And it seems to me that a similar template could probably realize the same benefits without interfering with your work. It would need to
 * insist as forcefully as Prod does on being subst'ed instead of transcluded (so your tools won't see the difference from unmediated tags), and
 * reconstruct the markup that generated it as text inside a cmt (much as test does -- so that subsequent random manual stub-tag refiners have the option of tuning up the arguments of the template, rather than manually editing in full replacement or additional tags).
 * _ _ (BTW, while i'm not interested in implementation beyond stating this idea, i have to tell you that i have been progressively discouraged from trying to refine more than i can do from memory, by the awkwardness of finding out what the "children" of stub templates are, which i think involves using the Cat lks that appear only at bottom of the rendered page (rather than in the preview rendering above the edit pane, or via the pop-up tools wielded within the edit page) ... and something else, cumbersome feeling, that i've probably tried to forget? Anyway, perhaps the "you were supposed to use subst, dummy" text could be followed by category-sensitive info on possible more specific stub-tags...?)
 * _ _ But unless i've said something confusing but tantalizing, and worth your asking me for clarification, i'm back to happily leaving all these issues to the long-suffering Project members. Thanks again! --Jerzy•t 23:08, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

_ _ Perhaps i was vague, perhaps i'm misinformed. _ _ I use meta-Tls for LoPbN and, i've casually gotten the following impression: are all shown as lk'g the pg that is lk'd by the Tl that the meta-Tl transcludes. Thus i assumed the objection to using Stub group would have to do with not finding the markup for transcluding the stub tags in the stub's markup. (Ah! But perhaps the what-lks-here pg fails to list the stub tags, bcz their lks appear only in the rendering of the stub pg, and not in the markup of either that pg or the Stub group tl? Bad implementation decision, IMO, but not unthinkable.) _ _ Presumably distinct from that, you raise an issue of the effect of subst'n on what-lks-here. Was it not clear that i was talking abt subst'ing a revised Stub group (which in turn would make only transclusions of the various stub templates invoked thru it)? My assumption is that this would (harmlessly) keep Stub group from being listed as lk'g to the stub-tag tl, and as being lk'd by the stub-pg, but not be problematic since it is only the titles of the stub-tag tl's that you should be interested in harvesting. To be explicit, i was not contemplating that the changes to the markup of Stub group would include any subst'n of stub-tags by it. Rather, it would insist that editors subst rather than transclude Stub group, which presumably would eliminate (since the transclusion of Stub group would place markup for transclusion of the stub-tag templates in the stub-pg's markup) any problem with the stub article not being recognized as lking to the stub tags. Hmm. Unless their placement inside parser-function conditionals interferes. _ _ (I may be abusing your attention by now.) --Jerzy•t 06:23, 19 December 2006 (UTC) Well, thanks for your patience, and i am also at the limits of my knowledge. I know there was concern that meta-templates simply be avoided, but i think that was either ill-founded or was solved by caching of frequently used ones. And i think Subst'g a meta-tl involves only the same load as a one time use of the meta-tl (since it turns into meta-tl-free markup) and the usual load of the templates whose markup it leaves in the markup of the pg it's subst'd into. I probably will be getting a little better informed and a little more confident in the next months, since i am doing a lot more with Tls for LoPbN than before, so this is only timely at the moment bcz of your informing me abt the prior concern. If you notice someone in the Stub-sorting WProj who seems better informed than we two, you might ask if they want to be put together with me; if that doesn't happen, perhaps i'll get less heavily loaded with LoPbN after a while, and be prepared to take the initiative on this there myself. (My interest was two-fold: i rewrote a skatingbio-stub call, i guess, bypassing the rdr w/ skating-bio-stub, and noticed that the br tag was the clean solution to bad spacing of tags below article content. But gotta run now.) --Jerzy•t 08:03, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
 * the page that transcludes the meta-Tl
 * the meta-Tl, and
 * the Tl transcluded by the meta-Tl,

Medieval armour stub
Thanks for the note on my talk page. I am not familiar with the pertinent policies governing firm restrictions (particularly regarding the minimum article limit you listed), and I would ask you to direct me to them before I comment. It is my opinion that the category meets the spirit of stub sorting. Thanks. --Eyrian 01:04, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Snail Articles and Stubs
Thanks fot helping me redirect, sorry I didn't know that there was a molusc stubs. While 180 snails stubs were cover many still needs attention most which are species of the Cone Snail pages. ShadowKinght 01:19, 25 December 2006 (UTC)  Talk?

Proposing renaming to
Thanks for bringing my mistakes to my attention, I've replied both on my talk page and on stub sorting page. Enjoy the rest of the christmas / new years break Mathmo Talk 12:33, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Stub categorization

 * I was creating a couple of literature articles didnt find any stub category to fit them. So, created them. I'm not aware of the stub creation process, so if there is one kindly fit these in. Or if there is any existing stub category that applies to Indian/Tamil literature related articles, kindly let me know. 06:13, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Overturn
What can I do to overturn the decision made in this nomination? Many government people are simply not politicians, given Hong Kong's long history as a British colony and most political offices were not elected until relative recently. Former governors were, for example, not politicians. Top-tier government officials in the colonial days and before the 2002 reform were not politicians either. The original structure was carefully set up to cater different people, and many articles are still left untagged. The SFD decision was obviously made with no input from editors who're familar with the situation. &mdash; Instantnood 21:21, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
 *  Mind elaborate a bit on in what way was the original structure little ambiguous and ill-defined? The broader category was intended for anybody who're involved in politics yet aren't politicians. IMHO that structure was fine, yet of course there's always room for improvements. &mdash; Instantnood 23:35, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
 *  Hmm. I didn't come up with such problem when I tag the articles of these people with the correct stub types. Happy new year, by the way. :-D &mdash; Instantnood 23:51, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Dear Grutness,
If you have time, I was wondering if you'd take a look at the Virtual classroom I've created for Wikipedians to learn, teach, and share advanced wiki-skills. Right now the participants are engaged in a show and tell of their user interfaces (the tools we use to navigate and work on Wikipedia, including programs, extensions, scripts, settings, etc.). I hope you will stop by to share and compare. Interiot, Rich Farmbrough, and CBDunkerson have been kind enough to help get things started by describing the interfaces they use. User:Interiot has even completed a new Firefox extension to make navigating Wikipedia easier. It is available in the announcements section on the Virtual classroom page.  Th e Tr ans hu man ist  11:58, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It looks and sounds like a great idea. Unfortunately my time is a little stretched at the moment, but I will see what I can come up with for it when I have some more free time (next week, with any luck). Perhaps a crash course on stubs - why we have them, why they're marked, etc, since that's what I spend much of my time on. Grutness...wha?  02:02, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * A course on stubs would be cool. The code for setting the font on my user pages to "Trebuchet" is in my page header which is transcluded at the top of each of my user pages (like a template).    Th e Tr ans hu man ist   03:19, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Virtual classroom update and assignment template
We've moved on to our second lesson in the Virtual classroom, though each lesson is continuous so we may see more additions to the interface share and compare as well.

To help keep track of what's going on, here's a template you can place at the top of your userpage or talk page:

Hope to see you at the Virtual classroom again soon.  Th e Tr ans hu man ist  12:11, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Virtual classroom
I've had a quick look, and nothing huge leaps out at me. No point in making it very much longer in any case, otherwise it'll just duplicate WP:STUB. I'd have sounded a bit more confident in the 40%+ "estimate", but I might be a tad partial. :) Alai 14:58, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * OK - I'll add a note on WP:WSS that it's there o that others can nit-pick it. Cheers! Grutness...wha?  00:58, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

And coming back to the size thing: rather than saying that 50-800 is optimal, for consistency with the guidelines, /ST and /T, etc, I'd suggest something to the effect that it's desired to keep them between 60 and 800. (I suppose bang on one listing page would be 'optimal' in some sense.) Alai 21:59, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * OK - I've tweaked the text slightly. Thanks. Grutness...wha?  23:32, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks...wha? (Nae'blis}
I wasn't going to send thank-you cards, but the emotional impact of hitting WP:100 (and doing so unanimously!) changed my mind. So I appreciate your confidence in me at RFA (especially from someone of your WikiCaliber), and hope you'll let me know if I can do anything for you in the future. Cheers! -- nae'blis 23:55, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

RfA Thanks (Amalas)
I don't like spamming pages, but I thought I'd give a little note to my co-nominators. User:Amalas/RfA Thanks. ~ Amalas rawr  =^_^=  14:32, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

admin (BrianNZ)
Thanks Grutness, I’m pleasantly surprised, that you would consider nominating me. Yes, I will accept.

On another note, in regards to the new “Waikato-geo-stub” that I noticed you have just put on the Taupo article, unfortunately Taupo is in a bit of a Catch 22. In the Phone book, on Trademe etc, Taupo is in the Bay of Plenty area; however Taupo is under the Environment Waikato Regional Council Brian | (Talk) 00:28, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Gosh, I never realised just quite how bad RfA has on on wiki now :) Brian | (Talk) 07:23, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Ceyockey RfA
Thanks for your support in my RfA. It's been a long time since I've dropped by stub city, but the time I spent there was definitely part of the learning curve leading to this. I think it was better to wait the almost two yearsf ... there's enough complexity around here and communicating in this environment is difficult enough that even after that long, I'm still making missteps; the horrors that would have been wrought had I been able to open the broom closet after only 6 months here *shudder*. Regards --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 00:14, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

My Request for Adminship (Asterion)
 

Thanks for your support on my successful Request for Adminship  (final result 78 Support /0 Oppose / 1 Neutral) I have now been entrusted with the mop, bucket and keys. I will be slowly acclimating myself to my new tools over the next months. I am humbled by your kind support and would certainly welcome any feedback on my actions. Please do not hesitate to contact me. Once again, many thanks and happy new year! All the best, Asterion talk 15:52, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Who's this, then?
Your article is much better than mine. - Scooter 05:43, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm still at the embarrassment stage about it - there are far more worthy people that don't have articles yet, but apparently I was a redlink on several pages, so someone decided I needed an article. They seem to have used the "non-article" I wrote as a user subpage as a basis for it. I wondered if it was the same Steve Kramer... shouldn't you have Notable Wikipedian on the talk page of the article :)? Grutness...wha?  07:02, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Looks like it's gone now...as for me, I'm not sure how "notable" I am. *shrug* - Scooter 16:47, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Hans,Hant

 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:User_iso15924&diff=85711391&oldid=85628787 Tobias Conradi (Talk) 20:02, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Hello Sailor
Well that's one way to introduce myself :-p

Hi by the way.

I'm just leaving a message because I don't agree with the comment/"clean-up" thing left on the Hello Sailor's page/talk page above the discography and was wondering what your opinion on it is.

Cheers

RIANZ 03:26, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh and yes I'm a Kiwi.

Hey again I'm working at RIANZ for like two months and do this when I'm bored. I have another prob. The JPS Experience single, Ray Of Shine has a music notability. I think the admin person has a hardon for that since he/she/it did the same thing for a Goodnight Nurse single. So what shall we do? Oh and I'll be adding the Warratahs albums (not all but some) over the next few days.

Cheers

RIANZ 02:15, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually it's all recently added singles (and EPs?). I don't have time to cite a CD back.  Really NZ music should just be left to the Kiwi's.
 * OK it's now the following. Only a little bit.  Ray Of Shine‎ by JPS Experience, Go (Steriogram song), Soccerstar‎ & White Trash (song)

by Steriogram, My Only‎ and Death Goes to Disco‎ by Goodnight Nurse. They all have music importance template added to them. I was going to yell at him but since I (after much research... and boredom...) see that you contribute to a lot of NZ music, thought I'd seek you're help again. Sorry to be a pain. Oh and it's some user called User: Palfrey RIANZ 02:46, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Paul Fairclough's birthday
Hi Grutness. This is kind of a long shot, but I was wondering if you were a Barnet fan. If so, do you know what Paul Fairclough's birthday is? I recently created List of English Football League managers by date of appointment and I can't find a source for Fairclough's birthday anywhere. HornetMike 17:19, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Thomas Burns (New Zealand)
No problem - it was just a way of disambiguating him... I don't profess to have any knowledge on him, hence why I didn't create a stub article. robwingfield (talk) 14:21, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi Grutness, just wanted to say thanks for starting the Thomas Burns article. Certainly notable and nice not to have that red link throughout Otago related articles. Blarneytherinosaur talk 03:11, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi I am currently going through European film most notably Finland and Belgium. I strongly suggest that a new stub category Finland-actor-stub is set up because soon the Euro-actor-stub cat will be WAY!!! to big. Also this will ease the use of the Finland-bio-stub which will soon be getting to large. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 10:33, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Sinai vs Arabia
What's the difference between the Sinai Peninsula and Arabia?

The satellite views seem to show the same region, yet neither article mentions the other.

Roger Derby


 * Hi Roger - not quite sure why you've asked me this, but still - I've loaded up a small gif to show the difference. The large green area on this map is the Arabian Peninsula - it includes the country of Saudi Arabia and several other smaller coutries like Yemen, Kuwait and Qatar. The orange area is the much smaller Sinai Peninsula which is now part of Egypt but was occupied by Israel during the 1970s. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  22:19, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

That category thing...
Who the hell do you think... oh wait... sorry wrong administrator :-p. Just kidding. I actually don't mind what happens with the Māori category it was just since Cook Island Māori is also now a category (sadly though with the only prominant Cook Islander being Annie Crummer at the moment), and I did get over-zealous and and create it but I notice that we (Māori) are the only one that has the word people in it. I know I may be just being anal but because of that I have to keep an eye on Russell Crowe because it keeps getting deleted (usually with the line... "getting rid of obviously redundant cats" - insulting much! :-p)... oh and Russell Crowe has Māori heritage through his maternal grandmother. SO do what you must. I don't really mind. And I should be awake in oh say about 3 more hours and 5 ore cups of coffee. Coffee! Yeah Baby!

RIANZ 19:08, 21 November 2006 (UTC) PS: Thanks for the help. Just talk to me not at me and also there are double ups with two categories: NZ-Tongans and NZ-Samoans (obviously I'm being lazy and not spelling these proper) have double-ups and I don't know how to merge/delete/rename them as of yet. Coffee time! Cheers again.


 * Yeah I live here, or more precise in Auckland, though within the next year I should be one of many NZ ex-pats living in the United States. I had work early today.  Sadly I don't work for RIANZ anymore.  Stupidly volunteered to help sort the mail in another part of the building.  Hah.  Ah well I got to finish early so there was an up side.  Weather is pretty crappy at the mo here.  Hows things at your end of the country? RIANZ 01:38, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Ugh now it's sunny here... though I wonder for how long. :-p RIANZ 02:06, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Articles_for_deletion/Absent_referent
Hi, I have vastly improved the article Absent referent to address the concerns of you and others. The ghits should now include the expression "absent|missing referent|antecedent". I will include redirects for these variations if needed upon closure of AfD. Please consider changing your vote to KEEP. Thanks for your comments! I feel the article is much stronger now, and I have learned much in this process both about the concept and WP in general. --Bhuston 13:39, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Vandal
Hey dude,

I don't know how to block people for whatever amount of time but this contrib User:Robertbudapest vandalised the Witi Ihimaera article. Sorry to be a pest. RIANZ 19:59, 26 November 2006 (UTC)


 * You might wish to check out Machine Elf as well. Seems to be the only other contribution of this editor. Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 20:07, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Machine Elf was a cut and paste copy of the existing Wikipedia article Machine elf. I've deleted it. I've also warned Robertbudapest for his edits to Witi Ihimaera.- gadfium 20:16, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks G - Sunday evenings aren't a good time to find me online! Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  04:30, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

apologies on Swan River (Montana)
Hi Grutness, I am Mumun. Nice to meet you. I must apologize because I flagged an article for speedy deletion too quickly when I was offline. I realized too late that Swan River (Montana) had been vandalized. I am embarrassed to admit that I didn't understand the revert explanation on the help page and so I was/am reluctant to try it myself. Mumun 21:26, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
 * replied.

re: westlea in seaham westlea is definately an estate situated in the west of seaham- i know this because i live there! hope this has clarified things kelly mcghin
 * Thanks for that Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha? 

There's a problem with your editor
Hi! It looks like you're using an external text editor that doesn't understand non-ASCII characters. Take a look at this diff:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=May_30&diff=prev&oldid=90834579

In the version you edited, all non-English characters got mangled. I went ahead and reverted to the most recent unvandalized version, so the article is fine now, but you should look at using a different editor. -- Jim Douglas <sup style="color:green;">(talk) <sub style="color:gray;">(contribs)  04:26, 29 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Yup, after I noticed the problem and sent you the note, I noticed that you'd already picked up on it yourself. I have a PowerBook G4, but I rarely edit Wikipedia from it; most of my editing is using FireFox on a Windows box.  That's a weird bug...does it affect all browsers on OS X? -- Jim Douglas <sup style="color:green;">(talk)  <sub style="color:gray;">(contribs)  04:47, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh wait, you said OS X 10.2. I guess that might explain why I haven't seen it...I'm on the current version of 10.4. You can't upgrade? -- Jim Douglas <sup style="color:green;">(talk) <sub style="color:gray;">(contribs)  04:55, 29 November 2006 (UTC)


 * That's a sensible plan; when you get a shiny new Intel Core2 Duo Mac, you'll get Leopard and iLife 2007 for free. (I'd love to get one myself, just can't justify the money.) -- Jim Douglas <sup style="color:green;">(talk)  <sub style="color:gray;">(contribs)  05:04, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Bangweulu Block
Hi there,

I was just wondering: why did you un-geo this? it fits much better in the Africa-geo-stub then Africa-stub.--Thomas.macmillan 19:59, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you so much for your very thorough explanation regarding instruction creep. I wasn't doing a very good job of explaining and I am extremely grateful that someone else stepped in to help. Have a great day and happy editing! <b style="color:maroon;">~ Amalas</b> rawr  <sup style="color:navy;">=^_^=  23:19, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I have changed to use parser functions, so that, when used on a category or template page, it will display like. Try it out, if you have any wording suggestions, let me know and I will implement them. Happy editing! Prodego <sup style="color:darkgreen;">talk  00:46, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Make benefit
Hi. I agree with your opposal on the BJAODN title page, but I made an alternate title that you might want to support. Also, if you do a text search for "make benefit" you'll see that you suggestion has been made allready so you can support it. --GunnarRene 00:43, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that - I'll take a look. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha? 

History of Fatah/Hamas tensions
Ok then chears, i will try 2 fill some of it in over the weekend. But u are more than welcome to fill bits in, as to be honest i know jack all on the subject, but i just thought that it was kinda important. I will try 2 fill in the basics for each month, then hopefully other editors will add more detail. --Boris Johnson VC 08:31, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Breaking Unicode in Cruise control
This edit broke a number of en dashes and, more importantly, the lang-interwiki links; I assume you're using a broken editor? (If so, you might want to get it fixed – your contributions certainly are valued, but it's not much fun to have to clean up after people.) I'll let you fix it, assuming you're able to; otherwise, tell me and I'll fix it. --EdC 01:42, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Every now and again I complain about the glitches with Mac OS 10.2 on the VP and I'm told it's fixed or about to be. One of these days it actually will be >:( Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha? 
 * I hope so too! Thanks! EdC 09:57, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Feliz Navidad
'''O.K., so maybe you don't believe in Santa, but I still want to wish you and your loved ones a "Happy Holidays" and all of the happiness in the world and the best new year ever. Your friend, Tony the Marine 23:55, 20 December 2006 (UTC)'''


 * Merry Christmas in 100 languages

Merry Christmas
Hi Jimmy! I just want to say Merry Christmas to you! Have a nice holiday time. - Darwinek 19:30, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * And merry Christmas to you too (and to all visitors to this page). One thing though - James or Jamie, not Jimmy (that's my cousin. And my granddad was Jim, and my uncle was Jay, and my cousin's son is Hamish, and...) Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  22:07, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Category:Indian New Zealanders
Thanks for the help and articles. Baka man  03:00, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Greetings
Season's greetings Grutness. Hope all is well with you and yours.Kahuroa 20:32, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Māori wiki
Just a note regarding the Māori model pages created by Robin Patterson which I saw links to from your talk page on mi - the model pages are no longer available on the Māori Wikipedia because they were full of grammatical errors and the like. (Old versions are still linked from his English-Wikipedia user page tho, being old and uncorrected they are even worse regarding grammar etc.) Their use just creates too much work for the very few Māori speakers who use the site, and they also resulted in one-line stubs for the most part Kahuroa 20:32, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

County Route locator templates
I didn't even see the part that said "stub". What would you recommend so far as fixing it? Just removing that ID attribute, or something more drastic? I was just using a template that looked like what I was going for. -Branddobbe 11:43, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmm. I think the best thing to do would be to leave the new boxes the way they are (but take out the "stub" ID, because they fulfill different purposes from the road infobox; however, I'd also like to put in a road infobox in the respective articles as well. I'll get on it shortly. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. -Branddobbe 01:12, 27 December 2006 (UTC)