User talk:Grutness/archive39

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=Health=

Answer
Speedy rename You asked whether or not "buddha" is always capitalized. It is not. It's like "pope" or "president"; capitalized as a name or title, lower-case as a generic. Respond on my talk if you need. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:26, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I guess My understanding of "buddha" as a proper/generic noun may be in error, but I have some confirmation. By the way, reading your green box on your userpage, let me recommend that you take it easy for your own sake - Wikipedia will struggle along without you until you're back on your feet. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:08, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

=Stubstuff=

Stub sorting question
Hi Grutness, I went to file a new stub in Category:Art museums and galleries stubs but then this edit of yours seemed to propose it for deletion or renaming back in November. Not sure what the best course of action, i.e. where to place this is. Thanks! StarM 00:57, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Not sure why that wasn't renamed... it seems to have been removed from SFD and listed as "rename", but that never happened. It makes no difference anyway, the template is not being changed, so it can still be marked with that, If the category is renamed the article will automatically be shifted to the new title. Grutness...wha?  10:48, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the explanation. I actually found a subcat that worked after I posted to you but it was still a good question to get an answer to in the event I see something similar in the future. StarM 23:06, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

New Zealand rivers
Sorry, didn't mean to make a huge amount of extra work for y'all, but I saw the redlinks and thought it was about time I start filling them. Tell me, does the LINZ give out nice breakdowns of rivers and landforms by province? If so, I can create lists out of that, and basically re-stub what's there using AWB. Sorry to be dense, but it's late and I'm falling asleep in my chair. Whatever I can do will be done tomorrow. --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 05:18, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry - if I ever stub anything else of that nature, you'll be the first to know. :-) Anyhow, I'll try and get the rest of it sorted out today.  And don't worry, you didn't sound annoyed in the least...but then, I know you to begin with. :-) --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 16:26, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, on reflection, I've decided to hold off on the stubbing unless you all want me to continue. My chief concern is getting those redlinks filled, but I don't want to step on anyone's toes. --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 20:00, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, will do - I can't finish 'em all tonight, but I ought to be able to make some more headway. Just to let you know, LINZ does mention a district for each one, but that's it; as I'm a poor, ignorant American I'm afraid I don't know where each district fits into the whole picture, geography-wise.  (I do know Ngaio Marsh, Rita Angus and Douglas Lilburn, if that's any help. :-) ) --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 08:03, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Grutness, there is no information which tells you which province the rivers are in. Can't they be created without a stub tag for now and then sorted later as they are developed and organized by province? Dr. Blofeld       White cat 15:47, 12 July 2009 (UTC) What I'll do is create a temporary stub cateogry to avoid flooding the NewZealand main one and give it to WP:Zealand to work through and develop. I'm afraid there is no info on the list page to make knowning what the regional template to use so I fele this would be the best way to get them started, Is it really THAT bad placing them in newZealand geo stubs? Dr. Blofeld       White cat 15:50, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Don't worry they can be checked in the LINZ database as they are started and then placed in the correct region stub. Dr. Blofeld       White cat 15:56, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The LINZ database has its own problems (it uses a different system to the official regions). As to the main NewZealand-geo-stub - no, it's not a problem. it was simply a shock seeing all the rivers arrive there. It's one of the categories I check and empty daily - there are normally 24 stubs in there which can't be divided up by region - sometimes there are one or two new stubs in there to sort. The addition of the rivers suddenly added 130 more. WPNZ is working quite quickly on sorting the rivers down, though, so there;'s no problem with them staying in there for now at all - probably far better than creating a new temporary category for them.. Grutness...wha?  23:07, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Re: Andean Volcanic Belt
Your intention is understandable, but come-on, four stub templates for one tiny article?

Wikipedia is primarily for readers, not for editors, I think those templates badly distract from content, and in here the common base of those templates, SouthAm-geo-stub, should be used instead. You can reply here. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 16:31, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It's standard practice to multi-stub in that way. SouthAm-geo-stub is no longer used - it is on no articles whatsoever and redirects (or more precisely upmerges) to the base geography stubs category so that anything which does get marked with it can quickly be sorted using more appropriate stub types (the same is done with a couple of other deprecated stub templates). Yes, wikipedia is primarily for readers, but stub templates serve the other part of Wikipedia - editors - the part without which articles won't expand beyond stub level. Yes it looks ugly - that's half the point. The uglier it looks, the more likely it is that someone will actually expand it. And the most likely people to expand it are those working on articles about the geography of those countries, which is why that's the best place to categorise this article. Grutness...wha?  00:25, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

=Otherstuff=

Edit summaries
I'm sure I shouldn't need to remind you to use edit summaries! Thanks. Jenuk1985 |  Talk  01:37, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I do. On all major edits, and on all minor edits that are not simply stub-sorting. With stub sorting, edit summaries cut the amount of work I'm able to do by about 85% (I've timed it to find out), and I feel it's more important for WP to sort the stubs than to say that I'm sorting the stubs. Grutness...wha?  01:43, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * A simple edit summary is much more useful than none at all, most browsers can autocomplete previous edit summaries, failing that copying and pasting is a fairly easy option. Jenuk1985  |  Talk  01:45, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Adding "stub" cuts my ability to stub-sort down by 85%, and I doubt you can get much simpler than "stub". And a quick count of my major edits reveals that of the last 100, 89 had edit summaries. Most of the rest were replies on talk pages. Grutness...wha?  01:49, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It's also worth noting that Edit summaries makes it clear that edit summaries are not always required for minor edits. Grutness...wha?  01:52, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * A couple of seconds work is hardly going to cut down your productivity by 85%, I feel that is a rather large exaggeration. As an administrator you should be setting an example to others. Jenuk1985  |  Talk  01:54, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * As I said, I timed it, and that is what I found. I was surprised mysefl - I had thought it would cut my speed down by about 30%. But 85% it wass. And I think that by doing a llot of behind-the-scenes work such as stub-sorting, and by addding edit summaries where they are required (i.e., major edits), I am setting a good example. Grutness...wha?  01:57, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry but I can't believe that, an extra two clicks if you are using autocomplete, or pressing the tab key, ctrl+v, enter if you are using the pasting method. When you get into the swing of it it is very quick and hardly noticable. Jenuk1985  |  Talk  01:59, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Two extra clicks? It takes three clicks to change a stub - select, copy/paste, save. To add a stub message like "stub" requires select, copy/paste, write "stub", reset minor, save, a total of eight clicks. Even if the clicks take the same length of time as eacch other, that's still 267% as many clicks. If you've got mild arthritis and it takes a while for you to type a word like "stub" without making mistakes, it takes far longer. It looks like we're going to have to agree to disagree on this. All I am doing is following the instructions at Edit summaries which make it cclear tht they are not always required on minor edits. You seem to think they are, and that's your prerogative, but my way of editing is equally appropriate an correct. I'm sorrt if you ddon't like it, but that's all there is to it. Grutness...wha?  02:06, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

geodata
Your Grutness, is there a quick and easy way to get the coordinates to add to a location-specific page (eg Leith Saddle? PS I did agonise as to whether Dunedin Northern Motorway is notable, since it isn't called that on any road sign and isn't a motorway.Nankai (talk) 22:12, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Suburbs (and townships?) of Dunedin
Nice template; you appear to be naming the next place what aint a suburb beyond the last suburb in each direction (eg Aramoana...). it wouldn't take much to comprehensively list all townships in the city boundary, eg Warrington, Outram, Midddlemarch, Waikouaiti, etc... would this take it too far beyond your brief?

Please watch out
When you tagged Mary Guibert as potentially non-notable, you removed a bunch of text.

But the tag may be right-- she's certainly up there among notable rock moms, but I'm not sure if there's a precedent for rock moms being WP notable.Linguistixuck (talk) 01:31, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Oops -strange, I should have got an edit conflict note on that. The version I edited definitely didn't have the extra bit you re-added (otherwise i wouldn't have added the "?" comment after the incomplete sentence). As for notability, WP tends to use the rule "Notability is not inherited". That is, the relation of a famous person is better mentioned in that person's article unless they've actually done something notable themselves. I'd say Mary Guibert's borderline at best. Grutness...wha?  01:41, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I saw that-- it was an edit conflict and I couldn't tell you why there wasn't a notice. I think Mary is notable in her role in the Music business, but I'm not actually sure. I've notified another Buckley editor and we'll talk it out. Best, Linguistixuck (talk) 01:44, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Belgium national rugby league team
G'day mate. I'm not so good with all the phraseology and whatnot so this question may seem very simple. I created the page Belgium national rugby league team (and didn't do too poorly I think) then saw on my watchlist: "(Deletion log); 01:21 . . Grutness (talk | contribs) deleted "Belgium national rugby league team" (G7: One author who has requested deletion or blanked the page: mea culpa)" The page was not, in fact, deleted, but I was hoping that you could explain to me what exactly did happen. Thanks. Rugbyhelp (talk) 06:44, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Replied on Rugbyhelp's talk page. Grutness...wha? 

Keep up the good work on Kitesurfing locations
Thanks for helping keep the linkspam and nuisance edits out. Peter Campbell 12:27, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar
Thanks, much appreciated :) Cg29692 (talk) 19:02, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Merge
(User:Nankai)


 * Heh. So you saw the letter, huh? The irony is that the original letter that I was replying to was by someone i've known for years in real life - I stayed with Aaron (User:Motorau) and his family when I last visited the Fiordland area. My reply was intended to be a bit of an ad for Wikipedia saying that anyone with extra info about southern NZ could ad info and as long as itb was good info it would be welcomed, but that bit was "abridged" out of the printed version, sadly. Grutness...wha?  23:07, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Vexing Vexillology
is wrong: the stars should be 8-pinted not 5-pointed. I wonder if Your Grutness could fix it? I loack the skills. This caused great consternation and an expensive replate of Page 7 last night, and the undersigned got scolded for "relying on Wikipedia" (shame!).

Here's a reliable source: The drawing of the United Tribes Ensign sent by Governor Bourke to King William IV

kutgw. Nankai (talk) 21:22, 14 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Erm... there's a problem with that. Although the flag is normally seen with eight points and black fimbriation around the smaller cross, officially it has five-pointed stars and white fimbriation. See my comments on the file page. Grutness...wha?  00:35, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well done on fixing this... was wondering about it this morning when I read the paper at work :-) --Lholden (talk) 01:59, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Glad to be of help! :) Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha? 

Dowden's the name, first name Peter, I'm part-time in Illustrations, and also enjoy co-editing Blueskin News. Nankai (talk) 22:11, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * replied at Nankai/Peter's talk page. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha? 

Flags, UTNZ etc
I understand that the UTNZ flag is derived from the Church Missionary Society flag, and that in turn the Shaw, Savill & Albion Line flag is derived from the UTNZ one. I have never knowingly seen either of these two flags. I wonder if one or two of the "unofficial" ones derive from these two variants?

All the UTNZ-style flags carried by hikoi partticipants etc in all recent news photos I perused the other night had eight-pointers.

While on the subject of United Tribes of New Zealand, check out the website of the current organisation using that style, something to do, I think, with that passport guy.Nankai (talk) 22:21, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Replied. I will check that website out. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  01:51, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Barryville
Hello Grutness,

I noticed from the article's "contributions history" that you added a number of templates to the article. I have a few questions regarding the templates that I hope you would not bother answering. Who can add these templates and who can remove them? The top templates seem redundant because they both apparently require more internal links.

Thanks,

Pink Bull —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pink Bull (talk • contribs) 03:18, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Replied on Pink Bull's talk page. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha? 

Ok, Thanks. --Pink Bull (talk) 23:18, 16 July 2009 (UTC)--Pink Bull (talk) 23:18, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Group or band – which one?
We are holding a straw poll (in a very friendly way, of course) to decide if The Beatles should be called a group, or a band. You can add your user signature to one or the other by clicking this link, Group or band – which one?. Thanks.--andreasegde (talk) 23:46, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Huh? They were both. They were a group who happened to be a band. And the two terms can each be used for the Beatles in different contexts. They were the world's greatest rock group and also the world's greatest pop band. Why do you need to call them one or the other? Is the US a country or a nation? Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha? 

Pictures on Wikipedia
Hi Grutness,

Do you know how to post the pic on Wikipedia??

Thanks you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Moopee (talk • contribs) 12:47, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you grutness. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Moopee (talk • contribs) 13:27, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Just saw your note
about the ulcer thing. Hope you have fully recovered. -- Y not? 14:38, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

RE:Thanks
You're absolutely welcome. :) I really like it when administrators leave a thank-you note, even with a such a beautiful picture of a yellow flower next to it! Chevy   Impala   2009  02:06, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

The Verlaines
Cheers heaps for that Grutness. I goofed that cut & paste up big time.  Esradekan Gibb   "Klat" 23:50, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

User:Mythdon
Please temporarily restore my userpage. Thank you. — Mythdon ( talk  •  contribs ) 01:15, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  01:20, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Now re-deleted. I've found what I looked for. — Mythdon ( talk  •  contribs ) 01:24, 28 July 2009 (UTC)