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Liopeltis
Hi Grutness, I am a french contributor on wikipedia and I am working of the Liopeltis article. On the english version we can read that these species can be found on India. It is real but we can found it also on Southeast Asia, Indonesia and Philippines. I am referring of Liopeltis on Reptile Database. I prefer you make correction by yourself because my english is... not perfet (!). Thanks a lot. Have a nice day. 2.8.197.227 (talk) 17:42, 19 January 2012 (UTC) (Givet
 * Done :) Grutness...wha?  00:34, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

File permission problem with File:LakeGunnBush.jpg
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 * Well, let's see. The description page clearly stated that I took the photo, and I followed that description up with a gfdl-self tag. Something is clearly wrong with your suggestion that there was no proof. What do I need? A photograph of me taking the photograph? Grutness...wha? 

Proposed deletion of Mark Sorenson (softball)


The article Mark Sorenson (softball) has been proposed for deletion because it appears to have no references. Under Wikipedia policy, all newly created biographies of living persons must have at least one reference to a reliable source that directly supports material in the article.

If you created the article, please don't be offended. Instead, consider improving the article. For help on inserting references, see Referencing for beginners, or ask at the help desk. Once you have provided at least one reliable source, you may remove the prod blp tag. Please do not remove the tag unless the article is sourced. If you cannot provide such a source within ten days, the article may be deleted, but you can when you are ready to add one. joe deckertalk to me 02:32, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Took five whole seconds to find a reference. Much less time than it will have taken to deal with a prod for a patently notable person. There's a distinct glitch in one of the policies here... Grutness...wha?  05:28, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I sincerely wish you luck with your proposed rescue group. You will find everything you need to make such a group functional here, here (expand the table), and you may also find good ideas from the work we did at WP:URBLPR. Oh, in terms of people who spend time checking the first link for notable biographies which should be saved, I'd strongly recommend you chat with User:DGG, whose work I find commendable, and I expect you will too if you're not already familiar with him, I suspect he'd be delighted to make constructive suggestions about your project proposal and join your efforts. Best regards, --joe deckertalk to me 00:21, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but I was suggesting what should be set up. All I was doing was adding information about how groups have been set up in the past, to save a lot of good work going down the drain. I've been involved in the setting up of several other such groups across Wikipedia (most notably WikiProject Stub sorting), but I'm now semi retired from it (after 180,000 odd edits, I think I've done my bit for the project). And yes, User:DGG is one of the good ones - I've worked on WP with David a couple of times in the past. Grutness...wha?  04:38, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah well, my mistake, my apologies. Thank you for your work, you certainly have!  My biggest effort so far was the year or so I spent with WP:URBLPR adding sources to biographies out of the 53,000 bio backlog I mentioned over at WT:BLPPROD -- about 95% of the 3000 BLPs I addressed myself (over about 20 months) I was able to add sources to and move on. Anyway, thanks for responding, have a great week! --joe deckertalk to me 14:55, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * You too :) And thank you for your work, too - despite us not fully having seen eye to eye on this particular item, it looks like you've done some great work here too! Cheers, Grutness...wha?  23:43, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Have a great weekend, thanks! --joe deckertalk to me 02:16, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Trans-Tasman Greetings
Hey, Grutness.

Nice to see you gingerly dipping your toe into the waters of the Ref Desk once more. There are too few regulars from Down Under, and we need the Kiwi perspective on things, because the Aussie one is not actually the only one worth knowing about.

I hope you can get beyond earlier issues and not let anyone else dictate your level of involvement here. Cheers. -- ♬  Jack of Oz  ♬  [your turn]  02:22, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
 * G'day Jack - yeah, I'm here... very low-key, though, and I'm letting others with more patience do most of the admin work. Don't be too surprised to see me on the Ref Desks every now and again. Good to see you still hanging in there! Grutness...wha?  05:49, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

stub q
There are a couple of proposals for animal stubs on the table at the moment. The need some but the nameing seems off. So I wondered if you could give me some input. Thanks Agathoclea (talk) 06:40, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll help if I can... what's the problem? Is it part of the split of which looks like its underway? Grutness...wha?  06:51, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes and the one above it. I thought that the stub templates are build to include the path while these are only with one name. Agathoclea (talk) 06:55, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Not quite sure I understand... do you mean in the template documentation's stub hierarchy? Because that will only include the one name... it's designed to shoa hierarchy if the stub template's name is hierarchy specific (e.g., UK-road-stub will list road-stub and US-bio-stub will list bio-stub, but a beetle related stub would only list its parent if it was named something like Archostemata-beetle-stub ). So no other name should be listed there. Or am I misunderstanding you? Grutness...wha?  11:12, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Its the Archostemata-beetle-stub vs Archostemata-stub that has been baffling me. I thought the first would be the correct one but no-one sofar had mentioned that so I thought I must be imagining things. The Carabidae-stub existed since 2009 so I think it has not been brought into line. Agathoclea (talk) 11:21, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, as far as naming the templates is concerned, Archostemata-stub is perfectly OK and would probably be the more usual stub name (unless there are things other than beetles called archostemata). The hierarchy link in the doc page is only a rough guide, and lots of stub types don't show a full hierarchy there - as long as it can be worked out from the main stub list and the categories, there's no real problem. Grutness...wha?  13:29, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

William Gilbert Rees
Hi Grutness, I had been thinking for a while now it was strange someone so important was missing from wikipedia. Thanks for adding the article. I have made some additions, hope your ok with that. regards, --Grapeman4 (talk) 11:01, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Do you have any more info on the birth place? I think it could be St Issels and then either near Saundersfoot or near Haverfordwest - both seemed to have a church called St Issels which was parish. Agathoclea (talk) 12:18, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

No problem with the additions - it looks good. I must admit I wasn't 100% convinced the cricketer and the founder of Queenstown were the same person, though it seems very likely, especially given the added info. The only birth info I have is from Cricinfo, though if I remember I might look up a book on early Queenstown next time at the library to see whether I can find out more. Cheers, Grutness...wha?  23:59, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

File source problem with File:NZ-N Taranaki B.png
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 * Hi Matt - when I uploaded that image I made it quite clear by tagging it PD-self. The "self" part should make it fairly clear who created the content. I created it and am the copyright holder of it, and as such release it into public domain. By "creating" it in this case meaning just that, I drew the original North Island map (File:NZ-NI_plain_map.png, which was successfully transferred to Wikicommons, and from which a large number of maps on Wikicommons are made) freehand using a variety of public domain sources. I then added the location of the bight using the natural boundaries of the coastline as markers. I don't know what other information needs to be added - or CAN be added to that. Suffice to say that I repeat my earlier statement - this is PD-self. You will note that a lot of maps which I made in this way and marked in the same way (probably about 150 of them) have already been effectively transferred to commons with no problems. Grutness...wha?  05:16, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi, Grutness. Thanks for getting back to me. I'm sorry if you felt like you were wasting your time defending a file you made and uploaded. I am new to moving files to Wikimedia Commons and was trying to be bold about verifying the source of your file. I definitely noticed the tag, but was unsure about whether that was sufficient as a 'source', and not just as a 'licence'. The file description had no mention of its source of creation, only that you had uploaded it and marked it as being released to the public domain. I've added an information template to clarify that it was your own work, but that arguably doesn't add any information that you hadn't already put on the page. The "no source" tag is now gone and if I have time later, I'll move the image and its related images to Commons. Kind regards, Matt (talk) 05:38, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Cheers - and sorry if I sounded a bit grumpy - it wasn't my intention :) Grutness...wha?  12:13, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

The future of stubs
There is a proposal that stubs should be abolished - see Village_pump_(proposals).

I'd noticed you weren't active at WP:WSS recently but had no idea that you'd been one of the many respected editors driven away from Wikipedia by a minority of editors. Glad to see that you seem to be returning a little. Best wishes. Pam D  07:17, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Peter Pan
Hi, thanks for the explanation. However, my point was it wasn't a circular reference to another Wikipedia article - if it was, i would have agreed with you - but a link to an image (which happens to be a wiki image) to illustrate that particular statue, in line with the others. --Stelmaris (talk) 07:32, 23 October 2012 (UTC) Good work! Gallery is a definite improvement to the page. Cheers.--Stelmaris (talk) 08:49, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Edith Ronne Land and Queen Elizabeth Land
Dear Grutness, the two Antarctic lands are distinct as illustrated by the latter's official map. Therefore, their relevant categories, templates etc. should be kept separate not merged or redirected. Apcbg (talk) 18:30, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * That map shows Queen Elizabeth Land to cover exactly the same area as Edith Ronne Land. How are they different? Grutness...wha?  23:21, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I suspect you may be confusing the Edith Ronne Coast, which includes the islands in the Filchner-Ronne Ice Sheet, with Edith Ronne Land, a separate entity which covered the wedge of land extending from the coast of the Ice Sheet down to the South Pole. Grutness...wha?  23:25, 23 December 2012 (UTC)


 * There is no Edith Ronne Coast, at least according to the US GNIS, UK BAT Gazetteer, and SCAR CGA Gazetteer databases.
 * "... Edith Ronne Land, a separate entity which covered the wedge of land extending from the coast of the Ice Sheet down to the South Pole." — according to whom? The only official name 'Edith Ronne Land' that I could find is Tierra Edith Ronne in SCAR CGA.  It is given by Chile, and defined as the portion of Antarctica between the base of the Antarctic Peninsula and Coats Land, in southeast direction from the former.  The southern limits of Edith Ronne Land are thus less than well defined, but surely the vicinity of the South Pole further south is not situated between the Peninsula base and Coats Land, as the latter "forms the eastern shore of Weddell Sea" according to the US, UK and Norwegian 'Coats Land' articles in SCAR CGA.  Furthermore, Coats Land is described as "extending in a general northeast-southwest direction", hence not extending southwards to the pole. Apcbg (talk) 07:31, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Sigh. In which case, things get messy, since all the categories have been merged. As explained, Edith Ronne Land was never an official name for the entity (which had no official name), and as such you won't find it listed officially in any Antarctic survey listings - it was, as with the Edith Ronne Coast, an unofficial name. Edith Ronne Land is often taken to refer to the wedge between 36° and 80° West (excluding the Antarctic Peninsula and Coats Land) and therefore seems to be the name which was formerly used for the area now covered by Queen Elizabeth land. Grutness...wha?  23:22, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
 * As pointed out and sourced, Edith Ronne Land is an official name given by Chile (Tierra Edith Ronne), so in the absence of conflicting other official definitions the Chilean one should be taken as authoritative, precise or vague as it might be. Apcbg (talk) 07:16, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
 * It may be officially used by one programme - but it has also been used unofficially by other Antarctic programmes, so some note must be made of the definitions they have previously used for it - definitions now covered by the term Queen Elizabeth Land. Grutness...wha?  22:07, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I have added some sourced explanation to that effect to the Edith Ronne Land article. Apcbg (talk) 09:55, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks - and sorry to have been a nuisance :) Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  23:08, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
 * You're welcome; wish you nice holidays! Apcbg (talk) 05:46, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
 * You too! Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  07:03, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!
<div style="; float: left; margin-top: 3px; background-color: #FC9; border: 1px solid #8888aa; padding: 10px; width: 425px; clear: both;"> <div style="; border-style:solid; border-color:#4682B4; background-color:#900020; border-width:5px; text-align:left; padding:18px;" class="plainlinks" valign="top" width: 300px;> "And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold,   I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.  For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord."  Luke 2:10-11 (King James Version)  220  of  Borgis wishing you a Merry Christmas.


 * - 220  of  Borg 00:12, 26 December 2012 (UTC) (Darn, just past the 25th 'UTC Xmas' day!)